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How America Can Get Its Tech Mojo Back

jfruhlinger writes "The American tech industry is hobbled by a poor education system, misguided spending priorities, and a byzantine patent system. But America can still come out on top, not least because of its longstanding tradition of individuality and private R&D investment. 'Open, distributed projects have the potential to outperform the traditional closed, controlled research model by reducing costs and duplication of effort, making it easy to collect and analyze masses of data from diverse sources, and allowing the best brains to participate no matter where they live.'"

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  1. Well by Nukedoom · · Score: 2

    ...That's all fine and dandy, but I'm pretty sure open distributed projects won't help America's poor education system. It's a start, and it might give way to some progress, but collaborative researching doesn't help Billy Bob Joel learn how to advance technology if they don't know shit about it.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's true, and there's nothing stopping the Chinese from leveraging open source.

      Plus the Chinese aren't hypocritical bastards about it. From the summary:

      But America can still come out on top, not least because of its longstanding tradition of individuality

      Really? Where can I go to find this individuality? In America a true individual is pretty damn hard to find. You do realize that choosing to follow the crowd, to respond to advertising, to adhere to trends, to behave in predictable patterns in large numbers, to obsess over black/white/hispanic/asian/female and other group identities, to fear everything the news tells you to fear, you realize that doesn't make you an individual, you do know that right?

      Occasionally I encounter a real individual in the USA. It's nice. It's refreshing. Such a person doesn't just believe everything they hear like a mindless idiot. Such a person knows that an advertiser is one of the most biased and therefore unreliable sources of information imaginable. Such a person doesn't have an idiotic tabloid-style concern for what everyone else is up to, how they manage their personal lives, who they're seeing, etc. Such a person knows that media and government are saturated with lying cocksuckers who serve only themselves while putting on a phony image of caring about our well-being. Such a person can follow simple instructions without needing to burden a service employee with holding their hand. Such a person generally just wants to live and let live. Such a person doesn't desire the casual attention of strangers and finds it unwanted and maybe even creepy, not flattering and ego-boosting. Such a person really doesn't care if you share, like, or approve of their beliefs, opinions, what they watch/read/observe/listen to/think about. Such a person assumes that their suffering is due to their own bad decision-making and seeks to learn how to make better decisions instead of playing the victim and looking for someone or something else to blame.

      So, where can I go to find these "traditional" individualists? All I see are a bunch of type-cast automatons who think they're an individual, just like everybody else, because their ego would take a staggering hit if they only realized just how programmable they truly are. It would totally destroy their fantasy that they are self-directed in any way or actually make their own decisions or control their own lives.

      At least the Chinese aren't in denial about the fact that their lives are run by forces beyond their control. That lack of denial is the only redeeming value of rule-by-brutality -- everybody knows where they stand. America is a soft tyranny based on rule by propaganda and withholding of information. In America people submit to forces beyond their control and they think this is their own idea and will defend their phony decisions.

    2. Re:Well by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Funny

      He is probably talking about the public ed which I have to say depending on the area can be just okay or downright shite on a shingle. I ended up yanking my two boys out of public and going home school because not only was the public school a *football school* but probably one of the most bigoted places I had the misfortune to step foot in. The final straw was when a teacher decided to bring her bible INTO CLASS and instead on teaching English gave an hour long speech on "idolaters and sodomites" while my two boys, one Catholic and one gay, were in class.

      We would have sued but my sister was in the final stage of cancer and frankly there was just too much stress to deal with their bullshit at the same time. So I told them where they could shove their bibles and went home school. Now the oldest is a Sophomore pred med and the youngest is deciding whether to go computer generated artworks or pursue his love of cooking and become a chef.

      *-for those not in the USA a football school is where the entire school is based around...surprise...football. In a football school the books can be 20 years old and the computers worse than what you would dumpster dive, but the training gear would make most AA college programs green with envy and the footballers can pretty much do any damned thing they please and walk away from it. I myself didn't have to go to class for my last 4 years as the coach found me reading Asimov in detention on my first day of HS (The other coach said "Anyone not ready to give me 20 laps can get out of my gym"...so I left. I though I would die laughing when the principal put us in study hall/detention and told the coach "you NEVER tell them they can leave EVAR!") and drug me from class to class and got the teachers to sign off on giving me straight As without showing up, and in return I spent the time teaching my own class where I taught footballers how to spell flower and stood so they could pass the minimum skills test and keep playing. I swear everything was spelled phonetically by those guys, like floer for flower and stud for stood. But as long as they got to play the coach was happy and the classes were so dumbed down I was bored to tears anyway in school, so it all worked out just fine.

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    3. Re:Well by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but I'm pretty sure open distributed projects won't help America's poor education system.

      We're not going to take our education system seriously until we see ourselves as being in a rivalry with other developed countries. With all the bad shit that came out of the Cold War, we knew that the Soviets and Chinese were serious about education so we had to be serious about education.

      Today, our leaders have encouraged us to see ourselves in a rivalry with Islam, and they believe the only way to combat the religious fervor of Islam is with religious fervor of our own. That requires us to be anti-intellectual.

      Since I was a kid in the late 60's, there has never been a period of such anti-intellectualism in the 'States like there is today. Just in the past two weeks I've heard "conservative" voices in the media talking about how "college isn't for everyone" on one hand, and how we need to be govern by "Christian precepts" on the other.

      Even a real conservative like James Madison, a Founder, wanted a national, government-run university. In 1815 he called for such a university before Congress, saying that it would be "a nursery of enlightened preceptors."

      Anti-science, anti-commons, anti-intellect, anti-education, anti-information. Those are the loudest messages from today's "leaders". When a presidential candidate (with a degree from a diploma mill) mangles the language and uses a non-existent word, supporters use the same word ("refudiate") in a sense of sympathetic ignorance, as if to say, "Hey, she may be stupid, but she's just like us". Children are schooled at home because the curriculum is seen as insufficiently ignorant. "Professorial" is used as a curse to condemn an educated president. A classical education is seen as an inferior background to having inherited money and made more. Teachers who have middle-class pay and pensions are said to "have it too good". Scientific facts are put on the same level as ideological nonsense, because "there are two sides to every issue". The right to be misinformed is jealously protected. When it is demonstrated that the leading "news" outlet is purposely misinforming their audience, it is worn as a badge of honor, by both the unreliable narrators and the misinformed themselves. People are told it's raining as they're being pissed on, and the sodden say "we needed the rain".

      We've got a very bad half-century ahead of us unless the trend changes. And as our best days get further behind us, the collective chip on our shoulder will get bigger and bigger. That means a lot of the rest of the world is in for a very bad half-century, too.

      It would be foolish for anyone over the age of majority to expect any "tech resurgence" in the US in their lifetime. We'll be burning witches before that happens.

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    4. Re:Well by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

      hairyfeet and his copypasta again. Whoring for karma expecting that it will help him shout louder in his GLORIOUS BATTLES FOR MICROSOFT.

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    5. Re:Well by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

      It's very similar to the "self-made man" archetype that has been touted as the ideal person to be for several thousand years.

      Hundreds. That's a uniquely American ideal, created to glorify robber barons.

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    6. Re:Well by Xaositecte · · Score: 2

      Common misconception. The Earliest writing I'm aware of touting the ideal self-made man was by Aristotle in 350 B.C, In The Nicomachean Ethic. Give it a read sometime, lots of it is interesting and timeless wisdom.

      I'd be willing to bet a sufficiently dedicated historian could find an even older piece espousing that same philosophy.

    7. Re:Well by kikito · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't agree.

      Politicians in the US are encouraging religion for two reasons:

      • * First and foremost, they believe that not doing so is a political suicide; in other words, that the majority of the population (or at least, the voting ones) are religious.
      • * Second, a religious population is easier to manipulate - they are better prepared to accept statements as true without demanding evidence, for one thing. This is something the islamists figured out long ago but it the US politics has been historically moderate, but very used in the recent history, initially by republicans alone, and now by both main parties.

      So, yes, religious beliefs are part of the political agenda. But this is being done because of selfish political reasons, not to "counter" the islamists.

      At least for now, the only ones that believe that the best way to combat extremist islam with its own weapons are the rednecks taking their kids to a Jesus camp

    8. Re:Well by frosty_tsm · · Score: 2

      I ended up yanking my two boys out of public and going home school because not only was the public school a *football school* but probably one of the most bigoted places I had the misfortune to step foot in.

      So you taught your child to be intolerant of someone elses views and to run away and hide from people that aren't like you and/or don't think like you.

      Slamming someone for being intolerant of intolerance. How... meta.

      (don't go analyzing this post or your brain will explode)

    9. Re:Well by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Tolerance training shouldn't have to last for the entire school day. Twenty minutes in the morning is sufficient.

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    10. Re:Well by Alex+Belits · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Where exactly that work mentions "self-made man" or anything close to the American idea of that?

      "Self-made man" is an originally unprivileged person who achieved wealth, power and privilege, supposedly entirely as a result of his own efforts as opposed to being born into privilege, accident, or assistance of society or other members' of society. Such idea was considered utterly idiotic over the whole history of mankind, except for brief and limited time and place when was possible to acquire new land by simply laying claim on newly discovered or undeveloped territory. Before that, in agrarian society, social position of any person was entirely based on amount of land the person owns or controls -- and therefore impossible to change unless for a nobleman that already has control over vast amount of land, with land ownership and political power being supposedly divinely protected privileges. After that, it became based on climbing numerous ladders over hierarchies in industrial society -- and therefore requiring either membership in various elites, or going through education system where a person is constantly assisted by others, or usually both.

      "Self-made man" was based on a fantastic image of American frontier -- its poster boy would be a person who taken over some uninhabited land (no problem with local nobility already claiming it, or land being so worthless, no one would bother claiming it) and developed it into a successful business (in such a fantastic world, neither education nor pre-established relationships with people in power are necessary for such accomplishment). It was projected onto early industrialists in US (better known as robber barons), and probably at some extent in Europe (where early capitalists, despite their enterprises all being based on inherited wealth, were seen as having too "low" origin for their power and wealth compared to "real" aristocracy).

      While some outside US would believe in such nonsense, it is absolutely definitely an American invention to promote and glorify such a thing. Worse yet, outside US people who are described as "self-made" by American standards, would be categorized as "Nouveau riche", a term that has, and always had strong negative connotations.

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    11. Re:Well by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Whatever happened to "American ingenuity"? You can't teach that. We just have it. It comes from being a nation of immigrants, who can survive pretty much anything.

      You haven't noticed all the clamoring for "closing the borders" and deporting 13 million people?

      America is going into an insular period, I think. Instead of looking outward, we're looking inward. It started with Ronald Reagan, our first kitsch president.

      Watch how quickly "American ingenuity" shrinks back to the statistical norm once the middle class is completely gone.

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  2. Mojo back? by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get our tech mojo back? Errmm, what? Last I checked, tech giants like Apple, IBM, Dell, HP, Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Google, and Facebook --to name a few-- are all American companies staffed mostly with American citizens.

    1. Re:Mojo back? by Mitiaj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those employed are mostly MBAs and LLMs. The real stuff is produced overseas.

    2. Re:Mojo back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an employee of one of the companies you listed I would counter that most, if not all, of those companies are all multinationals with R&D centers all around the world.

    3. Re:Mojo back? by SomePgmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I often wonder, and I'd like to see an article about that. It seems to me that when some health insurance company wants a web portal because they have to, or a city wants a new payroll system, they call an american consulting company to handle it... who farms out all the actual work to other countries and keeps the 90% difference. They call it "project management", and nobody actually cares if the project ends up being any good.

      But when a high profile tech company develops something important that a billion people are going to use, do they really farm much out? If so, what are all those american thinkers doing employed at Google, Facebook, etc? I don't get the impression that those companies are all MBA's.

    4. Re:Mojo back? by cavreader · · Score: 2

      I have had to work on projects that use outsourced resources and ever single one of them has been a gigantic cluster fuck. The developers have lacked the skill sets needed to build sophisticated applications. I spent so much time answering questions about basic programming that I might as well did it all. The time difference and language barrier also complicate things. Anyway I have noticed that most of good developers from oversees work in the US.

    5. Re:Mojo back? by jo42 · · Score: 2

      tech giants like Apple, IBM, Dell, HP, Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Google, and Facebook --to name a few-- are all American companies staffed mostly with American citizens.

      And all have their hardware, or use hardware, manufactured in China...

    6. Re:Mojo back? by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      Where are the intel chips DESIGNED? Where is the R&D taking place?

      Just because the fab is in southeast asia doesnt mean that southeast asia contributed to the design.

    7. Re:Mojo back? by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You telling me that most of Google's research takes place outside the US?

      What about microsoft, mostly based in India? Or would one say that Redmond is their center of operations?

      What about Intel, can you cite sources showing the majority of their ops outside the US? Everything I could find showed the majority of their operations occuring in the US (or at least more operations in the US than in any other country).

      Some sources would be nice.

    8. Re:Mojo back? by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      Hillsboro, Oregon? Chandler, Arizona? Folsom and Santa Clara, California? Those are the "Major" locations listed by Intel. Yeah, Intel doesn't list any overseas locations, so I'm just going to guess that the argument they outsource everything and have major global headquarters elsewhere and we need to be afraid we are losing our mojo is just a bunch of b.s.

    9. Re:Mojo back? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Manufacturing is not the same as R&D. When someone talks about getting tech mojo back to the US I assume they're not just talking about assembly jobs. Instead they mean technical jobs not cheap labor. Manufacturing is in China because of cheap labor not for their technical superiority.

    10. Re:Mojo back? by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      Ok, I found the overseas section. Still, Hillsboro Oregon is their largest site.

    11. Re:Mojo back? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      in the US. by asians and indians. mostly NOT by americans.

      bay area == cheap labor from overseas. I'm watching it before my eyes, as a resident here almost 20 years, now.

      if you are in software and a 'white guy', forget about it. take up some other vocation. you will not get paid competitively and you will be let go once your project is over and/or you trained your replacement. use and dispose: that's what americans are good for.

      this country has no future in engineering. we are all forced to become managers. god help us..

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  3. Uhh by Kagetsuki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Open and Distributed just opened up the project to the whole world. That helps America specifically how?

  4. shoot all the lawyers and patent trolls by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    then people won't be afraid to invent again.

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  5. Tech needs Apprenticeships! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is so much that can't be learned in a class room yet for stuff like help desk level 1 they want 4 years or more.

  6. The price of Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the biggest reason - the US is paying price for blind obsession with capitalism.

    Money does not count for everything. Some of the cool technologies were group effort, incubated in universities around the country and not by corporates. By branding all altruistic efforts with Communism/socialism, the country has alienated a lot of creative types.

    Start by counting Steve Jobs a salesman and not an innovator and that would be a good start.

    1. Re:The price of Capitalism by icebraining · · Score: 2

      Of course, in the communist theory a car is considered personal property, not private property and a person does have the right to exclude others from it. But don't let facts stand in the way of your rants.

      We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man's own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.

      Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

      (...)
      We by no means intend to abolish this personal appropriation of the products of labour, an appropriation that is made for the maintenance and reproduction of human life, and that leaves no surplus wherewith to command the labour of others. All that we want to do away with is the miserable character of this appropriation, under which the labourer lives merely to increase capital, and is allowed to live only in so far as the interest of the ruling class requires it.

      In bourgeois society, living labour is but a means to increase accumulated labour. In Communist society, accumulated labour is but a means to widen, to enrich, to promote the existence of the labourer.

    2. Re:The price of Capitalism by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

      You are a moron.

      Communism declares the problem to be "private ownership of the means of production" -- a specific form of property that controls others' labor and allows its owner to seize fruits of others' labor. If you really care about owning a nice car, you can have it. However what you can not do under a Communist system is to get a nice car by amassing "money" through stealing others' labor just because you somehow managed to worm your way into "ownership" of a factory where those people work. Controlling others' labor and appropriating the product through ownership is seen as the fundamental problem of Capitalism, that has to be fixed by disallowing such practice.

      Obviously, lack of ability to become super-rich will also mean that you would not be able to get a luxury car unless the rest of the society can do so (though if you really care, you can build Ferraris with your friends in spare time while the rest of society finds your activity silly or artistic). But if you have Ferrari already, no one cares if you do -- and you will be stuck with this last Ferrari until it will turn into rust, because no one is interested in maintaining if for you, or buying it from you, and especially leasing it from you, either.

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  7. I'm going with fix the listed problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only advantage the US has is liquid capital. Unfortunately it doesn't like spending it in the US, so I say add that to the list of things to fix.

  8. One Day Late by rueger · · Score: 2

    But America can still come out on top, not least because of its longstanding tradition of individuality and private R&D investment

    I was kind of hoping that the over the top "Team America" proselytizing would all get done on the Fourth....

    FUCK YEAH!

  9. The cult of individuality by Chicken_Kickers · · Score: 2

    How does the tradition of individuality and private R&D investment" = open access and sharing? America was built on people being shameless opportunists who found a niche and quickly exploited it. Everyone for themselves, the defining characteristic of "individualist".

  10. Simple by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Stop being xenophobic gits and get back to the melting-pot culture that made this the best fucking country on Earth in the first place.
    2. ???
    3. Tech!

    1. Re:Simple by aekafan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Could could you remind me exactly when this country, or for that matter, any other were not xenophobic gits? Hell when was that great fairy tale melting pot supposed to have occurred? Immigrants would come to this country, settle in an immigrant enclave, and then move to other areas of the country with similar immigrants. Welcome to Human Nature 101:Tribalism. There is no melting pot.

    2. Re:Simple by Kohath · · Score: 2

      Who in their right mind would like to go to to a country with this type of supremacy complex?

      Someone who wants to be the best?

      Maybe you wanted to post about how a third-rate country could somehow narrowly avoid becoming fourth-rate. That's not really what this topic is about.

    3. Re:Simple by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 2

      "Hell when was that great fairy tale melting pot supposed to have occurred? Immigrants would come to this country, settle in an immigrant enclave, and then move to other areas of the country with similar immigrants."

      That would be the last couple hundred ears or so. My ancestors emigrated roughly late 1700's to roughly 1850. They came from Sweden, Bohemia (part of modern Czech Republic), and Hesse (and other parts of what is now Germany). Germans used to be an underclass in America. Later the Slavic peoples were an assortment of underclasses. My mixed German/Czech grandpa didn't want to be buried in the Czech cemetery because he wasn't a "bohunk" even though he was partially and also married a Czech. On my dad's side we're from Sweden with probable Finnish ancestry; this was looked down on by "pure" Swedish relatives as was evident from some of the really old folks (80+) at a family reunion I went to 20 years ago, despite the lot of them homesteading together in the wild west of Kansas in the 1860's. Today nobody gives a flying fuck if you're a Finn or a Swede. Nobody today cares if you're an American with German ancestry marrying a Czech, Pole, Brit, or what have you. You're "white." Being a socially marginal nerdlinger I haven't dated all that much, but in spite of that small sample size I've dated an African-American, a Fillipina, a Jew, and being a honky (gee, that used to mean "dumb Bohunk/Hungarian" and not generic Whitey) a small number of white women of different ancestry. My lily-white, conservative parents who are in their 60's and 70's and old enough to remember when the KKK commonly murdered people in the south for being black, were OK with all of them. Note: they don't live in New York or some other coastie location but rather in the heartland, Iowa.

      The USA is still unquestionably racist. However the borders of honky/whiteness are far broader than they were 100 years ago and the social bar to dating or marrying outside of one's "race" while still present, is much lower than it used to be. Multiple friends' of mine are in mixed-race marriages and/or have mixed-race children. While not bubbling as hot as it should be the melting pot is very far from a fairy tale.

  11. Re:Republican Debt Default Plan by blair1q · · Score: 2

    And why do they want the economy to crash and burn?

    Because they're shorting it and stand to make a bundle.

  12. Why not share an infinite pie? by FoolishOwl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of the reflexive nationalism. The benefits of science and open-source technology can be shared by everyone, everywhere, and the more wide these things are shared, the more they grow.

    Sure, I'd like to see better technical education in the US, and an environment more friendly to innovation, but I'd like to see that everywhere.

  13. Re:The education system has been bad for tech for by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We need the OPTION of "pure technology" programs with no filler and no other goals than giving the student customer as much information and training in the field of their choice.

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  14. those are all multinational companies by decora · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and they all have massive portions of their corporate bodies lying outside the jurisdiction of the united states.

    1. Re:those are all multinational companies by strangluv2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Intel is 30% contract labor and looking to Beijing to outsource that also. It is shell of a company that has lost its way, and it is currently managed by a finance guy (Paul Otelini) as opposed to a technology guy (Gordon More, Andy Grove). If Intel had mojo, it would invest in its American workforce, instead of the current practice of using 'green badge' contractors and recycling that flesh on a yearly basis.

    2. Re:those are all multinational companies by ultranova · · Score: 2

      This is such a tired and stupid argument. Even if the "tech" people aren't in the US (even though they are), what good is tech without good business and management?

      Bankrupt. You know, how US companies have been going for the past few decades. Which rises a question: why would anyone look for business experts or managers from the US, when all the former knows is how to raid the company into an empty shell and walk away just before it collapses, and the latter gives inspiration for Dilbert?

      Maybe US can get its act together, but more likely it will continue worshipping greed, and reaping the rewards.

      Why do all you techie code monkeys need managers? Exactly.

      "Code monkey" is not a techie. "Code monkey" is a glorified secretary who's purpose is to translate the plans made by the designer - the actual techie - into code. A code monkey is the assembly line worker of the software industry, and as AI continues to evolve, the position will eventually be automated and disappear.

      Also, please don't confuse code monkey with a techie who can code.

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  15. Easy by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Easy. Abolish patent law and copyright law. (PDF here)

    Historically, those two concepts have probably been the biggest impediments to the advancement of human civilization.

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    1. Re:Easy by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Please then explain why the industrial revolution took off when England instated a patent system.

    2. Re:Easy by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obligatory: Correlation does not imply causation.

      Please explain why the Internet took off* when its technology was placed in the public domain, unprotected by patents.

      *In the face of several competing systems promoted by everyone from AOL and Compuserve to Microsoft.

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  16. Re:Republican Debt Default Plan by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Ah Kos. The bastion of fringe leftwing non-journalism. Go into debt, then try to spend your way out of it, using other people's money. Let me know how that works okie? Even loan sharks eventually break your bones for failure to pay.

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  17. Re:American Education by gweihir · · Score: 3, Informative

    Having seen some of this so-called "higher education" in the US as a guest, I have to say it cannot be the envy of anyone knowing the US system. What I saw was rather pathetic, both on master level and on PhD level. Sure, there are a few good universities, but the rest of the world has them too. And, at least in the systems I know (Germany, Switzerland), the average University, is much, much better than the average in the US.

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  18. Wait ... so individuality is good now? by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, sure, maybe in the OLD days of Slashdot. But the comments are a lot different now than they were then. We've grown. Evolved! I thought we now all agreed that individuality was a bad thing, and that top-down central planning was the way of the future.

        - aj

  19. Re:The education system has been bad for tech for by perpenso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We need the OPTION of "pure technology" programs with no filler and no other goals than giving the student customer as much information and training in the field of their choice.

    We have that, see trade schools, even community colleges to a degree. Expand these areas, but do not lower the bar on the university system. The point of the university is to produce a more well rounded person who also has those technical skills(*). Believe it or not, some geeks will need to be able to effectively communicate with people in business, the humanities, medicine, science, etc in order to fulfill the computer needs of these groups. They might even need to lead a group of people with diverse backgrounds representing those various fields.

    (*) Whether universities are accomplishing this goal is a different conversation.

  20. Re:Democrat Debt Default Plan by telekon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I may disagree with what you say, sir, but I will fight to the death for my right to punch you in the face for saying it.

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  21. Re:Not that tech in particular is too badly off, b by sqrt(2) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't buy that that's the problem when you have some corps paying ZERO taxes, and many even receiving money from the government despite pulling in record profits.

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  22. Re:Republican Debt Default Plan by peragrin · · Score: 2

    It has worked for every other recession.

    The only true path to debt reduction is a long term democratic president with republican's in charge of at least one house.

    Under that method CLinton was forced to cut spending, but pushed for not lowering income(taxes). The first thing Bush does in Office is Hey the governments got a surplus let's give it away instead of paying off our credit cards. Which did absolutely nothing for us in long term economics'(I was predicting the housing market crash in 2005/6, I was early by 2-3 years. For the 2000's the only thing keeping the country afloat and out of a deep recession was the construction housing market. Everything else was mediocre at best.

    Once that stopped it collapsed. It came down harder than i thought it would too. We should have let those banks collapse. Sued the CEO's for mismanagement with the SEC, and we would have been out of it faster. Instead we made a couple of loan payments for them so they could dig out of debt, while burying ourselves even farther.

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  23. Stop with this political nonsense! by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    It the republicans fault, it's the democrats fault.
    It's every Americans fault! Including me!
    Fine we made mistakes, now what? Polarizing each party so they are debating purely on philosophy won't help. It will make the liberals more liberal and the conservatives more conservative.

    The US culture has a trait "rugged individualism" which both helps us and hinders us. Socialism will not work in the US because of it. And because of it we need government control to stop us from going to short sighted.

    We need to get away from politics and blaming "the Man" for all the problems and go out and make yourself better. Take a risk start that company you wanted to start, look harder for the job that pays better. Stop worrying about those nutjobs that the news is covering. Focus on your life and then when election time come vote for who you want. After it is over get back to your life.

    All this political bickering distracts us from our real lives.

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  24. Patent Trolls by DKirk · · Score: 2

    The patent troll issue needs to be addressed immediately, and that can be dealt with quickly unlike education. The stench coming from that court in Texas where the patent trolls play is affecting the entire nation. Surely most of us here on Slashdot are capable of some brilliant tech that could easily be taken away by some obscure and broad patent filed a decade ago, and don't those stories play in the back of our minds when we write code? Start to revive our mojo by starting with real patent reform that works to move the industry forward.

  25. Re:Do we want to though? by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

    More pay for less work. Less work is going to lead to progress?

    Where do you think progress comes from? It certainly isn't from huge multinational corporations with entrenched market positions who shoot down any idea that might skewer existing cash cows. It comes from people having enough free time and available capital to develop an idea on their own time that they can start a new company without worrying about the fiscal impact on their previous employer's existing revenue streams or whether they'll still be able to eat in eighteen months if they quit their job to go after something new.

    Green tech. Because regular tech never got anyone anywhere.

    Green tech is just another way of saying that we have new constraints (reduced energy budgets) which creates a market for new products better adapted to those constraints. It's a thing we need but don't yet have -- necessity is the mother of invention, yes?

    Coding for a cause. Feel good about going through the motions. Produce nothing of any particular value.

    Idealism never got anyone anywhere. Like those GNU people with their useless GPL that nobody uses.

    Hacking. I made this cool bot that does XYZ-super-geeky thing. For hacker cred. What does "productivity" mean?

    Fail.

  26. No Theory = No Google by Weezul · · Score: 2

    Yeah, Facebook might not require any theory, aside from it's ad placement toolkit, but they aren't a good example. Google requires theory, cryptography requires theory, chip design requires theory, all those nice advancements in materials, batteries, etc. require MAJOR theory, etc.

    We need more schools that provide the European education model, i.e. most people get in, school costs almost nothing, but they slam your ass with theory until half fail out or quit. You'll have all the time in the world for learning the practical tools once your on the job, but, except for a very few remarkable & lucky people, the glass ceiling above your career is your theoretical knowledge.

    Example 1. Any comp. sci. student should've written multiple homework assignments in Haskell, C, C++, Python, and yes Java, but not only Java like so many moronic programs today.

    Example 2. Any comp. sci. masters student should've once worked out & proven the correctness of an approximation algorithm for some NP-complete problem and some randomized algorithm.

    There aren't too many "filler" classes at the good schools like, MIT, CalTech, Berkeley, VaTech, GaTech, etc. either. And you shouldn't be attending most liberal arts collages for technical degrees.

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  27. Re:But not by Marketing-BS-Speak by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    You know what I think?

    I think the MBA suits do not want to have anyone making more than they are. It infuriates them greatly. In 1999 I remember senior Network Administrators making 120k a year! The MBA's found out and freaked and had to assure senior management that they were better by laying them off so the managers made the most amount of money.

    But it is not just the tech industry. Accountants are being poorly treated as well as lawyers. To get a CPA today you need an MBA and 2 years to study for the exam. Now they say great CPA and masters in accounting ... 35k or 40k a year! Many accountants are furious, but in the end they take these jobs because it beats 17k a year working at McDonalds. Right? Be happy you have a job.

    My friend realized that he is worth more but why should an employer pay him 55k a year when someone else with 5 years experience laid off who also has a CPA and is desperate for work is willing to work for cheaper?

    My point is, it i snot just tech companies but the whole US economy. You can blame the suits all you want. Fact of the matter is unless we end outsourcing or lower the corporate tax rate you will see the drain continue as each dollar spent goes overseas and never comes back. Money is leaving the country every day little by little and we need to adjust to it by realizing that there is a lot less money. A good company will setup a subsidiary overseas and keep their money their with a low tax rate and hire foreigners in that country. Nothing personal against us. It is just business and Wall Street demands it. So vote for people who will lower our tax rate well below India or China and jobs will come back and so will money. It is that simple. No one wants to hire overseas. It is just cost prohibitive to hire here.

  28. Re:We are still on top! Non-Americans know it! by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

    - I think I'll go with "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" that most influential sentence written back in 1776 by TJ.

    "Pursuit of happiness" is the most dangerous, destructive idea in the history of mankind.

    Happiness is a rare feeling that is produced as a response to extraordinary positive experiences. It is not an everyday, normal occurrence. It is definitely not supposed to be "pursued". A person who believes that he can somehow capture "happiness" and be permanently happy as a result of it, will lead miserable life, and will cause trouble, destruction and death to others whom he will see as an obstacle on his path to the permanently ecstatic existence that he believes to be a norm. Or, alternatively, he will achieve his dumbass goal by constantly increasing dosage of drugs -- what would be less damaging to himself and others than actual "pursuit".

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