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Anonymous Releases 90,000 Military E-Mail Accounts

jjp9999 writes "Anonymous Operations posted 90,000 military email addresses and passwords to the Pirate Bay on July 11, in what they're calling 'Military Meltdown Monday.' They obtained the emails while hacking government contracting and consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton. They hinted at other information obtained during the breach, which they describe as 'maps and keys for various other treasure chests buried on the islands of government agencies, federal contractors and shady whitehat companies.' The breach comes just days after Anonymous hacked government contractor IRC Federal. Both breaches are linked to the new AntiSec movement, which LulzSec joined forces with shortly before disbanding."

319 comments

  1. holy crap!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The pirate bay is still around!??!?!?

    1. Re:holy crap!! by sortius_nod · · Score: 1

      still quite strong. yet more proof that MAFIAA can't win!

    2. Re:holy crap!! by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      No, but the Feds can.

      Leaking information on current and former US military personnel is just going to fan the flames of "shut everything down" in Congress.

      People keep poking at the bear and eventually it's going to wake up and rip things apart.

      Yes, I know its from a military contractor, that distinction will be lost on Congress.

    3. Re:holy crap!! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Do I understand this correctly? A group of grinning show-offs decided to Crack information from another group of people that routinely travel the planet murdering other people, no matter how well hidden the victims are?

      good luck

    4. Re:holy crap!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many countries have free healthcare for all and survive quite well. I am always puzzled by these sky-is-falling claims about free healthcare. No it does not reduce the standard of healthcare. If implemented properly your economy won't collapse. I live in a country with free healthcare and don't mind paying that bit of extra tax knowing that someone else on the poverty line won't be left out to die for no other reason than they cannot afford health insurance.

    5. Re:holy crap!! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I marvel at your enlightened view of the world. But without proof, your views could never be verified. Please, have someone video tape you walking up to a sleeping tiger, and with all your worldly understanding, kick said tiger where the sun don't shine. If the person taping you is a close friend, suggest using a wide angle lens...

    6. Re:holy crap!! by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Tell that to to her.

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    7. Re:holy crap!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are implying that in the USA she would have received the operation if she did not have insurance? Otherwise your point seems to be "look, she is dying over there. Yes she would die here too and that proves our system is better".

    8. Re:holy crap!! by sycodon · · Score: 0

      Yes. She would get the surgery.

      More to the point though, she is being denied the surgery because of bureaucrats and their paperwork.

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    9. Re:holy crap!! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      I'd say it depends on the implementation. And a few people like this aren't enough to convince me that it's worse than the current system.

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    10. Re:holy crap!! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Well yes, you get the surgery, then when the bill comes you file bankruptcy; of course with her student loans, inability to work she'd get Medicaid to pay for her health needs and probably SSI too.

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    11. Re:holy crap!! by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      None of the countries that have free healthcare have a military(specific portions of the militaries notwithstanding.) that is at all worth a damn. Moreover, in order to build up a military that could do anything, they would have to gut their social programs, including their free healthcare. The idea that if the US military became completely ineffective except at defending the US that everything would be hunky-dory is fucking delusional. Nature abhors a vacuum, and the conflits that would flare up would make the current situation look like a walk through the fucking park.

    12. Re:holy crap!! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hmm... odd, I live in a country not too different from what you describe. We have "free" health care (read: I pay for it with my taxes), we have one of the lowest crime rates in the western world, unemployment is manageable (and you can actually survive on your unemployment aid), I am looking at 4 weeks of paid vacation (mandatory, not 'cause I am so incredibly qualified that I can afford asking for it), 2 extra salaries per year (mandatory again), my retirement is taken care for (again, taxes)... yet I do not pay 120% taxes or can't get any goods in our stores because nobody wants to produce or sell anything here. Odd, ain't it?

      And know what? While the economy crisis did hit my country too, it didn't hit it by any kind of margin as hard as it did hit the US or other countries that subscribed to the ideal of "letting the market sort crap out". Why? Because people here actually do have money to buy crap. More to the point, to buy services. And since my country, like most of the "civilized" world, depend heavily on services for its GDP, our economy is still fairly stable. Services is the first thing people cut back when money is tight. A haircut? Put that off another few weeks. Fix the plumbing? Hell, let that faucet drip. Go out for dinner or the pub? Rather cook at home or watch the game with friends in your living room. That's what crippled the economy in most other countries, because people lack the MONEY to buy those services. You cannot cut back on food. You have to eat. You cannot cut back on your rent, you have to squat somewhere. But you can cut back on "vanity" like haircuts, repairs or a night on the town. We didn't have to. We still got money in the pockets of our working class people.

      So please, keep your perfect system. I like the US, the dollar's weaker than a chocolate coin in the hot summer sun and that means I get to buy cheap electronics with my, despite all odds, fairly stable currency.

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    13. Re:holy crap!! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Congratulations on unearthing the case where "our" system failed.

      One thing this system does is to increase the workload on you, the patient. That's the unfortunate truth and that means that you actually have to be more self-dependent than in a system where you pay for the operations and hence call the shots. Not less. You have to take care that you went to the right doctors at the right time to get the right diagnosis so they know that you actually need that operation. It's true that you cannot simply go up to your MRT tech and demand an examination. Why? Because you don't pay for it, and the entity paying for it wants to make sure that you're not going there because you think "phhht, not my money, why should I care?". You go to your general practitioner, have him examine you and send you there. The same applies to operations. You don't go to the hospital and demand one, you get the necessary examinations done and if the need exists you get your operation. My guess can only be that she didn't do that.

      The system certainly isn't perfect. No system is. Still I'm fairly convinced that this is a very rare case compared to cases where people have to pay for operations themselves, cannot afford them and die because of it, or have the operation performed and go bankrupt over it.

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    14. Re:holy crap!! by Anonymus · · Score: 1

      I've said this many times before, but that line of reasoning makes me sick to my stomach. Don't piss of the people in charge or they will punish us worse? Are we slaves afraid of our master?

      If this fans the flames, great, at least it will push the corruption and tyranny faster so that people will notice it rather than continuing to allow it to creep along giving people time to grow accustomed to it.

    15. Re:holy crap!! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Tell that to to her.

      You Daily Fail.

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    16. Re:holy crap!! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I live in the UK, and we don't have "free" healthcare. I's pauid for out of taxes. Critics always use the term "free healthcare" to imply there's something magic about it, but there's not. Out of all the things you can spend taxes on (aircraft carriers with no aircraft on, soldiers onthe other side of the world joining in with the US's petty crusade against the Taliban) healthcare is one of the most justified.

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    17. Re:holy crap!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. I think education should be totally cut too, that just takes money away from defence contractors. Infrastructure? Puhlease!! Another war could be started with the money saved there! As for emergency services, what a waste - all should be replaced with military - just think of how much could be saved and thus further invested in the military. If you are really lucky you might even get a society something like the old Soviet Union.

    18. Re:holy crap!! by darjen · · Score: 1

      The idea that if the US military became completely ineffective except at defending the US that everything would be hunky-dory is fucking delusional.

      If you seriously think that worldwide occupation by US military is the only thing standing between the continental USA being taken over by marauding invaders, I'm sorry but you are the delusional one. These conflicts you somehow claim would flare up are simply the result of your overactive imagination.

    19. Re:holy crap!! by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Leaking information on current and former US military personnel is just going to fan the flames of "shut everything down" in Congress.

      It actually wouldn't surprise me if this particular leak were part of a counter-intelligence operation to discredit anon and accomplish just that. It's the kind of thing I would do if I were the NSA/CIA/FBI and wanted to garner public support for taking on anon. There have been several leaks and activities of late that I suspect weren't actually initiated by anon themselves, but were part of efforts to tar them.

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    20. Re:holy crap!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and all that's cheaper right? not like there's any overhead in managing the quagmire of systems you've described. Difference is that it's easy for certain people to pocket some cash in your system.

    21. Re:holy crap!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you should just peruse the headlines for stories about old folks left to rot in the halls or their beds, being given tambourines to use to call the nurses (Guess the page buttons broke and they can't afford to pay to replace them.

      Anyone who pays even a little bit of attention to the news will see all kinds of stupid things going on with health care over there.

      Here Lies Rudi Hargreaves. Killed by lack of proper paperwork.

      That's not a fail, that's a Epic Fail.

    22. Re:holy crap!! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      just going to fan the flames of "shut everything down" in Congress.

      Shit : not given.

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    23. Re:holy crap!! by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      The Swiss, Israel, France and Japanese have good free or nearly free healthcare and all have good militaries.

      The UK and Canada also have good healthcare but are letting costs spiral out of control and it's greatly impacting military spending.

  2. Yeh by sortius_nod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think I'll be grabbing that torrent...

    1. Re:Yeh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You afraid of something, citizen? You live in a free country, no?

    2. Re:Yeh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You go straight to the gulag comrade!

    3. Re:Yeh by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      It's against Federal law and state law to knowingly acquire stolen property.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods#United_States

    4. Re:Yeh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is also a free country thanks to the people whose emails they are exposing...

    5. Re:Yeh by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      A. Information falls under copyright law, and possession of such things is not legally considered theft. That distinction is absolutely relevant here.
      B. Actually, it's not so relevant, because the government can't own copyrights - anything they own belongs to the people.

      In no way, shape, or form would downloading this amount to possession of stolen goods. As a matter of fact, it's not even a crime. Hacking the computers to obtain the info was a crime. After that the cats out of the bag.

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    6. Re:Yeh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quite simply, the fact that this is happening indicates that the impacted are not capable of defending our freedoms or anything else according to modern realities of engagement. We may wish it were otherwise, but it is not. I'm sorry.

    7. Re:Yeh by erroneus · · Score: 1

      No, what it means is that the government's reliance on [expensive] contractors is not just a bad financial decision but a horrible security risk. These companies can act "on behalf" of government and not be held to account in the way government activities usually are. Why did we need Blackwater at all when we have plenty of soldiers? The answer should be obvious.

    8. Re:Yeh by erroneus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure there is some sort of law against knowingly acquiring sensitive information. Worse still, to get it on a torrent means you have to share it too so you are also sharing sensitive information.

    9. Re:Yeh by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      Copying is not theft.

    10. Re:Yeh by SpecialFred · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, there isn't. The US does not have an Official Secrets Act. Unless there are special circumstances (like agreeing to submit to contract or military law), it is not a crime to share or acquire secret information. See the Pentagon Papers case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers#Legal_case

    11. Re:Yeh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -Sortius what do you hear?
      -Nothing but the rain, AC.
      -Then grab your torrent and bring in the black helicopters.
      -Port, port, port!

    12. Re:Yeh by Anonymus · · Score: 1

      First of all, this data would need to have a value over $5000 for that to come in to effect. Regardless, I'm curious about whether or not "possession of stolen goods" has ever been tested in court with intangible data such as this.

    13. Re:Yeh by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      No, there isn't. The US does not have an Official Secrets Act. Unless there are special circumstances (like agreeing to submit to contract or military law), it is not a crime to share or acquire secret information. See the Pentagon Papers case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers#Legal_case

      So what are they persecuting Bradley Manning for then? Failure to have a properly ironed uniform?

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    14. Re:Yeh by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Copying is not theft.

      Maybe not, but it can be treason punishable by death, as the Rosenbergs would be able to tell you if they were still alive.

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    15. Re:Yeh by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      He signed a contract. He violated the terms of that contract.

      They aren't "persecuting" him, they are prosecuting him.

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    16. Re:Yeh by SpecialFred · · Score: 1

      The charges against him are listed here: http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/eCache/DEF/12/444.html (first two PDFs). You'll notice that they are all violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is applicable only to members of the military, not people generally. Manning's situation is entirely inapposite.

    17. Re:Yeh by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      We need Blackwater so the superich can siphon out more money from the military industrial complex.

      Uh, duh.

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    18. Re:Yeh by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Nope, there isn't.
      US Supreme court long-standing decision states that leaking classified information is illegal (regardless of how it was accessed) but once leaked obtaining and even publishing it is a protected by the first amendment of your constitution.
      This is why newspapers can print classified stuff that wikileaks obtained. The government can't even directly act against wikileaks (much as they want to)- only against those who do the leaking because obtaining and/or publishing classified or other sensitive information is not illegal.

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    19. Re:Yeh by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Leaking it is a crime - especially if you are a military member sworn to protect it - but obtaining it is not.
      That's why Manning is prosecuted but Wikileaks is not a banned organisation, it's also why they are not prosecuting the editors of all those newspapers who published the data for wikileaks.

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    20. Re:Yeh by eqisow · · Score: 1

      Not so much prosecuting as holding indefinitely, it seems... or is a trial finally getting underway?

    21. Re:Yeh by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      Under the UCMJ, he is granted a "speedy trial". They have 120 days from arrest to arraignment.

      I have heard the defense is delaying the trial to have Manning evaluated for psych problems.

      If the prosecution was delaying the trial, at 120-days the defense would have filed a motion to dismiss and it would, in all likelihood, have been granted.

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    22. Re:Yeh by DaleSwanson · · Score: 1

      So what are they persecuting Bradley Manning for then?

      Unless there are special circumstances (like agreeing to submit to contract or military law), it is not a crime to share or acquire secret information.

      See bolded section of quote. Bradley Manning was in the military, which means he agreed to comply with the UCMJ, which makes it illegal to disclose classified information. There is no such restriction on US citizens by default; they have to agree to it.

    23. Re:Yeh by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      Treason only lies in waging war against the U.S. or in aiding it's enemies. Copying per se can not be either of these things. Ditribution may be, but not the copying. But everyone knows there's not such thing a treason really. http://www.lysanderspooner.org/node/44

  3. A Military Contractor Named Booz? by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    That name itself just screams trustworthiness, doesn't it? I know I would happily hand over my secrets to someone named Booz to keep confidential and secured.

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    1. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? by siddesu · · Score: 1

      But you would order your subordinates to do so if you're bossing a military outfit and your former boss is now bossing Booz and you both helped this contract to come about. Which is how these contracts happen anyway.

    2. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? by zill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not as ironic as Standard & Poor's.

    3. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That name itself just screams trustworthiness, doesn't it?

      It's his parents' fault, not his.

    4. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Forget their name, just take a look their company uniforms, they look more like inmates -- not security guards.

    5. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Christ, who modded such an openly racist comment up? Yeah, foreign names sometimes sound funny to English speakers. Wait, what about that Baumgartner guy in the US?

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    6. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I do not understand how you read that and interpret it to be racist. It was certainly not intended as such. Someone else understood it to be a joke, but somehow you decided it was racist? I would be interested in knowing how you reached that conclusion.

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    7. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the parent poster was instead alluding to the similarity (in spelling and pronounciation) between Booz (a name) and Booze (slang for alcohol).

  4. Not sure when this is going to end.. by darkc0der · · Score: 2

    Not sure when this is going to end. Maybe Operating Systems needs to be redesigned with built in security.

    1. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, more like systems need to be redesigned without people.

    2. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not sure when this is going to end.

      You don't? I'll be glad to tell you.

      Maybe Operating Systems needs to be redesigned with built in security.

      Wait, it sounds to me like you do know. Just remember that "security" in this case doesn't mean "security from outside attackers" it means "security from users."

      This is going to end with iOS. Programmers will be required to license their compiler and IDE from official government sources and only be allowed to enter code into "secure" disconnected computers. You will only be allowed to run programs that have been signed off by the Government, and you will have to provide your Government Internet License on demand.

      Think I'm just paranoid? Remember, this is only the end state. We've got quite a few steps to make it there. But with things like iOS, and Sony being allowed to remove OtherOS without penalty, we can already see we're walking down that path.

      And when you read stories like "Ex-NSA Chief Supports Separate Secure Internet," you know where we're headed:

      Expect more and more invasive laws and less and less anonymity. You will be required to give up your liberty in exchange for security, friend consumer.

    3. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      built in security? the issue mostly seems to be user stupidity rather than security holes.... the only security that would prevent this would be the inability to login. Security and Ease of User are mutually exclusive.The more secure a system is, the harder it is to access/use. The problem comes when secure systems are breached because user's take shortcuts such as writing down passwords (example) or sharing information without first verifying the recipients credentials, which they do because they are frustrated, and usually just dont care. OTOH, if the system is easy to use, the user need not be bothered for an attacker to get in, as the security just isnt there. Until someone can design a system that is dead simple and conivenent for people to use, which IS STILL secure, this will continue (HINT THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE)

    4. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone mod this up -- for real. You can't prove a program absolutely secure any more than you can prove that a program will go on for ever. The only solution is to secure the entire hardware->compiler->program chain. I think I'd rather deal with the occasional hack over certain gvt snooping

    5. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Think I'm just paranoid?

      Yes, yes I do.

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    6. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That won't happen because there are existing regulatory models which are applicable, like that of consumer banking. Data security will become more like money security, in that (as more and more public sensitive data leaks occur) if you want to convince people to take their data from under their mattress, and put it in your bank, you'll need to meet certain standards and be subject to various regulations. Otherwise they can keep their data in house and take the risk and responsibility themselves.

      Imagine a paypal-like service that handled usernames, passwords and maybe email addresses, but no financial information (maybe it already exists I haven't looked). You could use this service on your website and not have to worry about the security of the usernames and passwords of your subscribers because you don't store them.

    7. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will probably 'end' when the hackers give Congress enough motivation to finally pass a bill forcing CONUS ISPs to start using White lists and other restrictions, throttling the internet so much US residents will think they're running 28.8 modems instead of DSL/Cable.

    8. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by biodata · · Score: 1

      Who is going to require that programmers license anything? The United Nations?

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    9. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any operating system is going to give programmers enough rope to hang themselves with. Security is something that has to be considered when designing any system. If Anonymous was able to get passwords and not just hashes, then someone was not even considering security when writing the code. At a higher-level design, [multi-use] passwords should never be used as the sole login credentials for a remote service; it makes phishing/replay attacks too easy as well as simply hacking the server and copying the [possibly not even hashed] password database.

    10. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by biodata · · Score: 1

      Security PEBKAC.

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    11. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by samkass · · Score: 1

      Not sure when this is going to end. Maybe Operating Systems needs to be redesigned with built in security.

      Yes, because that's made iOS very popular around here.

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    12. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Ulua53 · · Score: 1

      Nah, that's what Windows Live OneCare is for...

    13. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      You can always prove that a program will go on forever in finite time. What you can't aways prove is that it will halt.

      Anyway, the above was quite OT... For securing the governemnt's systems against their users the governemnt can issue some "Right to Read" laws applying just to their computers. It should even have already done that. No overall society control is needed.

    14. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Not sure when this is going to end.

      Why does it need to end? I mean, using driving a car exposes one to risks - I still see people driving.

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    15. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure when this is going to end. Maybe Operating Systems needs to be redesigned with built in security.

      Like UNIX, Linux, xBSD, VMS, IBM i (aka OS/400) and IBM z/OS (aka MVS) are ? You do realize what is missing on this list ?

    16. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They are. The problem isn't in the lower layers of the OSI model, it's on layer 8.

      Or, in other terms, it's pretty hard to make a computer system useful and resilient against human stupidity.

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    17. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But in this very special case: Why not?

      These machines are used in an environment where the owner (the government) actually is interested in keeping the system secure from its users. This is not my home machine where I am user and owner in one person. User and owner (of system and data) are two separate entities and it would make sense to design and use a system where the user only has limited access and cannot break out of his jail.

      You said we'd end up with a system where only government mandated and "signed" software may run and where people need a government issued pass to use those systems. In this very special case, this would actually be quite sensible.

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    18. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      You cannot have an algorithm that solves the general halting problem but you can have algorithms that solve the halting problem for a specific set of algorithms and you can use human ingenuity to come up with a proof for previously undecided algorithms. There's no guarantee that you'll come up with a proof in finite time but it's likely enough for algorithms that you're going to use on real problems.

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    19. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Humans?

      You can compromise any system if you can compromise a privileged user.

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    20. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by memyselfandeye · · Score: 1

      I'll bet my bottom dollar this has nothing to do with OS security. It's more likely yet another injection attack that could have been prevented by simply prepending statements and sanitizing user input... like it says on practically every paper ever written about securing your database. At least the passwords were hashed. I wonder if a salt was used? I doubt it.

    21. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by memyselfandeye · · Score: 1

      Or I could be wrong. the README seems to allude that a public facing server had SSH/remote deskop enabled and accepted clear text passwords without any kind of certificate verification, and did not use a 'Fail2Ban' like application. Doesn't say if it was Windows or Linux or OS/2, but it appears that whatever it was it was installed and left to sit as is. How long would a bot be able to brute force a computer accepting remote logins? I don't know, but I'd bet a couple of weeks at most.

      This is line 2 on securing your Database servers. It really is getting ridiculous. It's like a flood of teenage angst running around a neighborhood pissing on the carpets of unlocked houses, and nobody has figured out that it's because their doors are unlocked. Really, what's the point of pretending half the 'experts' know what the hell they are doing?

      I wish iwe didn't have to worry about security. But we do. Not just because of a bunch of people mad at the world want to piss on your carpet, but because of a bunch of people mad at the world who want to shoot you in the head. A pox on all their houses.

    22. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by oztiks · · Score: 1

      Stupid idea, the iOS concept though offers the germ free environment and safe computing your stuck in a position whereby 1 only 1 germ is needed to destroy the whole deck of cards. "Hacking" becomes more about who gets paid to accidentally leave the door open, extorted,family threatened, whatever and BAM! The whole ship sinks.

      Computing needs regulation, enforce a regulatory system like what doctors / lawyers have and the things like being hacked because you didn't equip the network with a firewall gets treated as negligent practice. I say chuck the wannabe geek in gaol along side the script kiddie that got in! Our infrastructure is run by far too many lazy ass marsh mellows, and for any of these people who are in IT positions who see these articles and get angry, you're angry cause you're scared it will happen to you ... So you should be, next budget cycle order a pen test FFS!

    23. Re:Not sure when this is going to end.. by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      This will NOT lead to more security. It will lead to the same sloppy lack of security with ever harsher laws against using a computer in any way except for the approved way sanctioned by some committee and it's agents.

      Get drunk and leave a thumbdrive full of unencrypted state secrets on a bar counter? no problem.
      Pick up and read that thumbdrive? Prison.

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  5. And this helps how? by OverlordQ · · Score: 0

    ~nt~

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    1. Re:And this helps how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This HELPS because their stuff is destined to be hacked and infiltrated. These systems need to be strengthened beyond the abilities of the lazy fat white hat contractors, and its better anonymous breaks it before our overseas rivals (if they havent already).
      This HELPS because it is an embarrassing yet powerful message that government needs to focus less on copyright enforcement and more on securing what matters.
      This HELPS the same bitter way that wikileaks helped, raking clandestine government dirt to the surface teaches government a lesson that they are not above the laws nor above public scrutiny.

  6. I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anonymous has an agenda. That's fine. Originally they were after Scientology. If they've shifted focus, I have no problem with that. If they're trying to become another Wikileaks and expose government wrongdoing, that also makes sense.

    What I don't understand is the wholesale posting of email addresses and passwords. What are they trying to accomplish? Military or not, these are email addresses of real people. This is no longer a crusade against "bad guys" whoever they may be, or even against bad activities. This is now a crusade against privacy. You know, the concept that keeps Anonymous, well, anonymous.

    If we use exactly the same standard that they use to judge what should be public information, then the names, email addresses, and passwords of everyone who calls himself/herself Anonymous should be public as well.

    1. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >implying anonymous a and anonymous b are actually the same anonymous

      You're an idiot. I'm sorry, but read the definition of anonymous please.

    2. Re:I don't get it. by Necroman · · Score: 1

      "Doing it for the Lulz."

      I'd imagine it's the same reason many others publicize their work, for the notoriety and as a symbol of proof that they did it.

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    3. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous has an agenda.

      Oh, wow... Did Fox News tell you that?

    4. Re:I don't get it. by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      If we use exactly the same standard that they use to judge what should be public information, then the names, email addresses, and passwords of everyone who calls himself/herself Anonymous should be public as well.

      Keep in mind that if Anonymous hackers happened to be in the military, they would have to expose their own passwords in this dump in order to avoid suspicion. So it's quite possible one or more of the hackers gave out their own info.

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    5. Re:I don't get it. by Chucky_M · · Score: 1

      If we use exactly the same standard that they use to judge what should be public information, then the names, email addresses, and passwords of everyone who calls himself/herself Anonymous should be public as well.

      Ah you opened the door to the obligatory link :) http://xkcd.com/834/

    6. Re:I don't get it. by bstender · · Score: 1

      exactly. could be the damn govt itself.

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    7. Re:I don't get it. by dcollins · · Score: 4, Funny

      Surely there's some free-market economic explanation for all this. That shit can explain anything (or so I'm told).

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    8. Re:I don't get it. by fortfive · · Score: 1

      Well, one possible goal is to motivate "the people." Things in the U.S. rarely change until the middle class feels the impact.

    9. Re:I don't get it. by afabbro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anonymous has an agenda. That's fine.

      It's the same agenda a 3-year-old has: "look at me! look at me!"

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    10. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agenda aside,
      The point of publishing the account details is to show off the amount of access the attackers have gained. Its a simple 'proved it' play.
      The accounts likely got locked down immediately anyway.

    11. Re:I don't get it. by Renraku · · Score: 1

      I think their tactics are to create enough chaos and hope someone will pull something interesting from those accounts. Something like, "Hello Mr. CEO, this is Corporal Blabla, give me $100,000 and I'll tell my commanding officer that we need new battle rifles with your patented sling-a-bullet technology." or "Yeah I know we raped and killed that woman but we can just rape and kill her family if she reports it. Who can stop us? We're the military!"

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    12. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it so hard to believe that they are doing it to increase awareness of the egregious insecurities that are present in the world's networks? Security is possible. It just happens to be implemented, in many cases, by the lazy and/or incompetent -- and the blame for that falls on management.

    13. Re:I don't get it. by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1
      Panther Moderns, Cat Mother.

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    14. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous has an agenda.

      Really? I'd like to know what that is. You post on /. using Anonymous Coward, but I doubt you have any idea what Anonymous is. It is not an organization and its only agenda is to do whatever it wants, for the lulz, regardless of who it hurts. Some Anonymous are moralfags, but many of them are still idiotfags.

    15. Re:I don't get it. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, Anonymous has an agenda. At least some Anonymous certainly does. Statistically, it's quite likely, at least. :)

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    16. Re:I don't get it. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure it can. Rampart "free market" economy (I use the term loosely here, the free market economy after all also depends highly on the buyer's power to choose which isn't the case in reality) means that security is a cost position without a shareholder benefit and hence is to be cut first.

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    17. Re:I don't get it. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What middle class?

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    18. Re:I don't get it. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, the blame will be shifted to some poor, underfunded CSO who even could not prevent this if he wanted to (and trust me, most CSOs I know are paranoid enough that they would if they could) because his budget is lower than that of the cafeteria since security is seen as a cost position without revenue. He'll get fired for "incompetence", replaced by the next poor sod who's put on that ejector seat 'til the next security breach.

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    19. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't get the call to arms? You are supposed to add all those data into the hopper that feeds your hack machine that is running at 110% in the name of the cause. Is your fax machine broken or something?

    20. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The military represents the will of their people as much as any elected politician...or at least they should.

      Can people actually kid themselves into believing that the US military is a transparent organisation? I think not, and so it belies the people to make them transparent. Like it or not, as soon as you become a government employee, your work-related privacy is out the window. CIA already knows and does this, Anonymous is simply expanding on that concept to let the people who decide their budget know as well.

      What? You don't decide the budget? Seriously americans, do you even have any influence over your own land anymore?

    21. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might have released the account information to let other people continue their work. Just like when Jafar makes Aladdin get the lamp in the cave, so he won't get trapped in the cave himself.

    22. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I don't understand is the wholesale posting of email addresses and passwords. What are they trying to accomplish?

      Just a guess: Make shodowy, hierarchical and intransparent organizations (which are an inherent danger to individual freedom even if they do the Right Thing now, because they could be mislead to do the Wrong Thing with best intentions tomorrow as they lack any form of checks and balances) internally mistrusting themselves and thus ineffective as an easily abused power device.

    23. Re:I don't get it. by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they're trying to embarrass people who use plain-text passwords. They certainly deserve it.

    24. Re:I don't get it. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Anonymous has an agenda.

      Not really. This clearly wasn't a DDOS by random /b/tards, but rather the work of a few individuals who decided to call themselves anons.

      The only motivation is lulz, and thanks to the media reporting these hacks they have reached epic proportions. If a random hacker did this it probably wouldn't make the news, but because "Anonymous did it" (meaningless as that statement is) it will probably get on the front page of the BBC and CNN web sites, and maybe a mention on the TV news too.

      Not sure what the solution is. It is the same with many high profile crimes, e.g. when a student decides to start shooting people at school it inspires others to do the same.

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    25. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know anything about this, but my take on it is they're doing "tough love".

      For example, here in the UK, the government dabbled with "Contact Point", which was a database of all kids under 16. It's aim was to help protect these kids from evil paedos and whatnot. Of course, the database got nabbed, and so it all came crashing down as an obviously stupid idea.

      The same government dabbled with a national ID card scheme (which I think got as far as getting all the secured people or pilots or something at Heathrow airport). I don't think the fledgeling DB got nabbed, but if it did, it would again show the lunacy of the idea.

      The great irony of course if that Anonymous are clearly very adept at working with high technology. They clearly understand far more about it than many of us will ever learn. However, despite this, they're working to hamstring it, to make it falter and to show it's shortcomings. If you're into belief systems, those that believe in it the most are working hardest to destroy it.

      Whilst I would be most annoyed if my details get onto one of these leaked lists, I am actually quite enjoying it while it happens to other people. So far, I haven't been stupid enough to get into the US military, or join the Playstation network, or get on Contact Point, or many other things. I'm in trouble when they hack slashdot, facebook or the dozens of other sites I have logins for though ;-) When that happens, I, like many others around the world will have to reconsider the wisdom of giving my details to 3rd parties (no matter how safe they appear to be).

    26. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were not "originally after Scientology", that's just when they started getting press.

      It would be more accurate to say that they were originally into trolling Habbo Hotel pool parties.

    27. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What I don't understand is the wholesale posting of email addresses and passwords.

      While I do not understand their purpose, nor do I see the benefit, the addresses they posted were the business e-mail addresses of a government contractor, not personal e-mail addresses. It is not as if they releasing the Yahoo/Hotmail/Gmail addresses and hashed passwords of murder victims and royalty. Minor difference though, if one at all.

      I guess the goal may be to simply crowd source the reversing of the hashes. But this could be done in a more managed manner. Release the hashes, without the addresses, and promote reversing within their community. If someone reverses a high profile hash, then the possessor of the address can match it up.

    28. Re:I don't get it. by justsayin · · Score: 1

      Builds their street cred. Proves they can hack into your shit. That way, when they email the president of Bank of America and say they want 50 million by morning or they are gonna release the data they just hacked off your network,...

    29. Re:I don't get it. by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      Anonymous has an agenda.

      But that Coward is posting here all the time . . . oh, wait, I see you're speaking from authority.

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    30. Re:I don't get it. by SoTerrified · · Score: 1

      What I don't understand is the wholesale posting of email addresses and passwords. What are they trying to accomplish?

      I can answer that. The problem is the quantity of information. You crack a huge amount of email, but it takes some real 'boots on the ground' to go through it all and figure out what's signal and what's noise. And even if you do go through it all, you might not have the background knowledge to make sense of it.

      So the idea then becomes to post the email and passwords and crowdsource it. Let everyone hold things up to the light and see what they can find. 90,000 emails is a lot for one person to go through, but trivial for 90,000 people to go through.

    31. Re:I don't get it. by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      It seems counter intuitive at first but it makes sense. If you want the people in power to take your privacy seriously, you have to make them feel as insecure in their privacy as the rest of us are. By exposing them, it puts them in the same boat as us, and thus maybe they'll start to take security and privacy seriously.

    32. Re:I don't get it. by DrBoumBoum · · Score: 1

      That's fine.

    33. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous has an agenda. That's fine. Originally they were after Scientology. If they've shifted focus, I have no problem with that. If they're trying to become another Wikileaks and expose government wrongdoing, that also makes sense.

      What I don't understand is the wholesale posting of email addresses and passwords. What are they trying to accomplish? Military or not, these are email addresses of real people. This is no longer a crusade against "bad guys" whoever they may be, or even against bad activities. This is now a crusade against privacy. You know, the concept that keeps Anonymous, well, anonymous.

      If we use exactly the same standard that they use to judge what should be public information, then the names, email addresses, and passwords of everyone who calls himself/herself Anonymous should be public as well.

      i don't agree with you, this is just the consecuence of the previous actions Anonymous took over HBGary and others....i'm going to think that when you say this is a threat to privacy you do it without reading the complete post

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  8. Not sure I see the point of this. by cvtan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How does releasing email addresses and passwords aid the fight for good and thwart evildoers? They should go back to the Scientology thing.

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    1. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many are using good passwords.
      I am betting not many.

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    2. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Didn't you hear? The US is and in turn US army is full of evil. I mean just skip Iran murdering gay's, or the years of things going on in Sudan with religious persecution. Or the pakistan military being so corrupt that they've been infiltrated by terrorists. It's the US that's evil.

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    3. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Thruen · · Score: 1

      I wondered the same thing, and the only thing I came up with is that if the emails belong to high-level officials, we can go through their things on our own and dig up dirt while Anon looks for more holes. Yeah, I know, that's pretty thin. I think it's more plausible that it hasn't been as easy to dig up dirt as it used to be and they're releasing things like this so we don't forget about them.

    4. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by andb52 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The obvious logical fallacy with your statement is that, just because other regimes may be evil and corrupt, it does not mean that the US is not.

    5. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They did this with an incredibly simple attack that any script kiddie could do. They even boast this in the torrent. China/Iran would otherwise silently sit on this data and it is likely they already are.

    6. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      How does releasing email addresses and passwords aid the fight for good and thwart evildoers?

      Maybe next time, they won't hire contractors relying on porous security, able to be penetrated by any script kiddy with a modem, increasing the security of the US Defense Force in the process. But more likely, they'll just send goons after script kiddies - goon security is easier than real security.

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    7. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by gtirloni · · Score: 1

      It helps to destroy the false sense of security that tons of dollars spent on hardening systems seem to give to everybody. It also keeps govt/mil on their toes and who can be against some additional scrutiny on public entities? Remember: your money. It goes to show that 'whitehat' security companies are mostly clueless and are not delivering on their promise of security. It shows that they have some ethical problems in dealing with the information they are given (or not) access to to their own advantage. How many whitehat security companies were exposed in the past few months? Lots of high profile ones.

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    8. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      It goes to show that 'whitehat' security companies are mostly clueless and are not delivering on their promise of security.

      Or it shows that lumbering bureaucracies have fundamental disadvantages that can not be overcome by bolting on additional layers of bureaucracy (read: compliance).

    9. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

      The obvious logical fallacy with your statement is that, just because other regimes may be evil and corrupt, it does not mean that the US is not.

      Especially since two of the three cases he cited the US was complicit by providing the country military aid (Sudan was the 6th largest recipient of US military aid and everybody knows about the billions given to Pakistan).

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    10. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by andb52 · · Score: 1

      Well said, sir!

    11. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US has had, and will have, bad presidents who muck around in shit they shouldn't be. That doesn't make the US an evil regime; it makes the people idiots for electing people willing to get us into sticky situations.

    12. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How does releasing email addresses and passwords aid the fight for good and thwart evildoers?

      If LulzSec/Anonymous can do it, so can our enemies and allies.

      The fact that these guys are so prolific and haven't been caught yet, strongly implies that others have done the same thing.
      And probably gotten away with it because they didn't announce it to the world.

      The fact is, this will go on for as long as LulzSec/Anonymous feels like doing it.
      Between government agencies and contractors, there's just too much low hanging fruit.

      BUT, all things being equal, I'd rather it was blackhats humiliating us in public instead of China silently doing it for economic gain or espionage.

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    13. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by gtirloni · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

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    14. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by gorgano · · Score: 1

      I really don't understand the point in this either. If there was something they wanted to bring to the public's attention, then I would have expected them to put in the work of hacking said e-mail accounts and getting the information everyone supposedly needs to know.

      As it is, they grabbed “a list of roughly 90,000 military e-mails and password hashes[...]”. Which tells me some script kiddy got himself a shadow file and put it on the internet.

      FTA: "Anonymous believes that their efforts are simply a form of civil disobedience, calling their tactics “peaceful protest.""
      I'm also not sure how they can continue to call this "peaceful protest" (assuming Anonymous actually said that and the author isn't just pulling that from an earlier statement). I can see the DDOS attacks construed as peaceful protest. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I can see the through process. Let's be clear though, they are no longer performing a peaceful protest. They are infiltrated a secured system and stealing confidential data, which is a crime.

      Anonymous just seems to be a group of people with no particular focus or agenda that I can see, other than rebelling against everything and in turn giving every other hacker a bad name.

    15. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only person saying the us is an evil regime in this thread is someone who was trying to put words in other people's mouths. Everybody else was just pointing out that Mashiki was a dumbass for trying to play that card and doing such an inept job at it.

    16. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the risk of bringing up Godwin's law, I will point out that Hitler was elected into office. That doesn't necessarily make the German population at the time idiots.

    17. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our enemies will never be quite as evil as Anonymous.

    18. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by artor3 · · Score: 1

      That only works if you give such an overly broad definition to "evil" that basically any organization will fall under it. Evil is a very strong word, and it's absurd the way it's thrown around by obnoxious man-children looking to feel oppressed.

    19. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by artor3 · · Score: 1

      So we should just start driving down the streets murdering people, just to prove how easy it is and show that gun laws should change? There are better ways to effect change. Steal the passwords, burn them to some DVDs, mail them to some congressmen, and maybe a newspaper. Don't publicly distribute them.

    20. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by andb52 · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you that "evil" is overused, I do think that certain US policies such as "targeted killings" that kill multitudes of civilians and target United States citizens, the propping up of Saleh in Yemen, and the torture both carried out at our military prisons and contracted out to third party countries such as Syria constitute "morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked." It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose I am just more damning than you.

    21. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BUT, all things being equal, I'd rather it was blackhats humiliating us in public instead of China silently doing it for economic gain or espionage.

      False choice, we can have both!

    22. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by artor3 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're more damning, just more generalizing. Torture is absolutely evil. But that doesn't make the entire nation -- or even the entire military -- evil, the way some people around here seem to believe.

    23. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That might be a bit optimistic. Working in the software industry, we'e seen that tactic tried before with Microsoft and other large corporations. The one thing that they had in common is that they didn't really care about security but they did care about public relations.

      Mailing the passwords to a congressman anonymously assumes the congressman gives enough of a damn to do something. They might even have the best of intentions, but without urgency it'll just get swept under the rug in favor of more immediate problems.

    24. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by andb52 · · Score: 1

      A fair point. The government is hardly a monolith. Although I think there are larger problems than Rumsfeld's infamous "few bad apples," you are absolutely correct that it is not worth condemning the entire institution.

    25. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by dcollins · · Score: 1

      At this point, I'm willing to say there's something really structurally broken with our system. Guess we'll see another case study for that come Aug-2.

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    26. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News flash. They didn't get anything important.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNet

    27. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      reagan,bushes dad, bush, clinton, obama hrmmmm thats a nice run a totally evil me thinks

    28. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by artor3 · · Score: 1

      That's why you send it to newspapers too. They love a scandal.

    29. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by sheepofblue · · Score: 1

      Are you sure they are not our enemies? Why would it not be in the interest of North Korea or China to either fund or encourage these groups?

    30. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We wouldn't have 100k dead civilians in Iraq now if those US soldiers had refused to go there. I respect people who risk their lives to fight for just causes, but I don't care much for those who think this exempts them from personal responsibilities.
      So if releasing those e-mails discourages people from serving in the US military, then I think it's good. It's too late to go back 70 years ago and prevent people from serving in the Nazi Army, but we can still prevent people from serving the US government.

      The current US government is evil and needs to be reformed.

    31. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, bad presidents don't an evil empire make.

      When the rule of law is completely ignored, disregarded, and even undermined (see "Gunwalker scandal"), THAT is a defining mark of an evil empire.

      Note that this is not a new phenomenon, either - it's been that way to lesser degrees since before you were born.

    32. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by jebaneer34 · · Score: 0

      BUT, all things being equal, I'd rather it was blackhats humiliating us in public instead of China silently doing it for economic gain or espionage.

      You said it.

    33. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes ! And me breaking into your house, and shooting your family, then laughing about it afterwards does not make me evil, it makes the braincells that accept that other braincells do this idiots for accepting it. Btw, I think I'll burn down your house too. I mean, it won't help my agenda, but hey, a fire is fun.

    34. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Considering the weapon power of the US, most countries would be classified as "mostly harmless". So I guess you're right.

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    35. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Because they'd want that information for themselves instead of having it released to the public? Because they'd want the US to feel safe and secure so they have it easier if they want to hack and cripple the infrastructure?

      C'mon, what's their gain? Humiliation? Please, gimme a break. The US are quite capable of internationally letting their pants down without foreign aid, they're quite self sufficient in that area.

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    36. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by xophos · · Score: 1

      But most people in germany (i know from personal experience) ARE idiots. Why should it have been otherwise when Hitler was elected?

    37. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      Evil and idiocy can be very difficult to distinguish from each other and can have identical results. I'm not convinced that stupidity is a valid moral excuse for any given action.

    38. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The obvious logical fallacy with your statement is that, just because other regimes may be evil and corrupt, it does not mean that the US is not.

      You also forgot about the facts that the US is far more dependent upon technology and that every member of LulzSec/Anonymous is too much of a pussy to pick up a rifle for a fight - they don't really have another target.

    39. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by gemtech · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was a big fan of them when they picked on $cientology. All this other crap is really getting on my nerves.

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    40. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you're more damning, just more generalizing. Torture is absolutely evil. But that doesn't make the entire nation -- or even the entire military -- evil, the way some people around here seem to believe.

      Evil has many forms. I agree, most Americans would not torture if the choice was theirs to make directly. However the majority of Americans were quite muted in their reaction to news about Abu-Ghraib and other illegal acts. Most Americans don't really seem to mind torture when done in their name by their representatives. As a foreigner, I expected a much more indignant response to the news of torture, and serious demands for accountability; I was shocked and disappointed when that didn't happen. This tacit approval makes Americans no different from the majority of Muslims, who wouldn't perhaps perform terrorist acts themselves, but are really loath to criticize and combat the extremist minority that blows up people.

    41. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by horza · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I was thinking. I would go so far as to say if Anon can do it so easily, then countries well known for their espionage probably already have. The correspondence of those on the list should be assumed as compromised from the point the current email system was made live, obviously, but the email addresses could be used to hunt for potentially blackmail material (eg if they were silly enough to use their work email to register for gay porn, use a medical web site to look up HIV symptoms, etc).

      I find it difficult to think of publishing the information as wrong, as anything valuable that could have been gleaned will have been flogged to death a long time ago. Is it an inconvenience? They need to get all 90,000 users to reset their passwords, but I'd expect they should have to do that on a regular basis anyway. Could somebody download the torrent and cause mischief? In the rather unlikely event the passwords weren't reset and somebody managed to use one of the email accounts, I can't see what more mischief they would do than Anon themselves when they had possession.

      I can't see anything here other than the long-standing tradition of hackers exposing flaws to give impetus to fix lazy and slack computer security. The net result of this action will be US military email will become harder to access for foreign and domestic enemies. Probably not a bad overall result.

      Phillip.

    42. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Kidbro · · Score: 1

      At the risk of bringing up Godwin's law, I will point out that Hitler was elected into office.

      No, not really.

    43. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the congress critters won't do much about it, it won't be made public, it won't be transparent that it happened. Send them to Newspapers? They're bought and paid for by the military industrial complex which also drives American politics. No, public humiliation is the only route to get the government contractors to tighten up their security, and the only way to actually get the media to report on it is to make it as bold as possible. I can fully understand why they're exposing the weaknesses the way they are. They're working from a position of weakness, not power.

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    44. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Borland · · Score: 1

      The obvious logical fallacy with your statement is that, just because other regimes may be evil and corrupt, it does not mean that the US is not.

      Of course. But it also kinda points at peculiar Anon cowardice -- going after the society open enough not to execute anyone even suspected of being anti-establishment. Seriously, when Anon dumps out some big dirt on the Chinese or Russians, mocking them with their usual flair, in a sustained campaign I'll be impressed: Assuming they survive.

      True, we act like dicks with Gitmo, but I don't think any anons have been sent there lately. The fact that we are lower on the douche scale doesn't excuse us, but it does raise some questions about the courage of the attackers.

    45. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by noodler · · Score: 1

      "That doesn't make the US an evil regime; it makes the people idiots for electing people willing to get us into sticky situations."

      These two things are not nessesarily opposites.
      In fact, i've seen hem go hand in hand quite a few times.

    46. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by noodler · · Score: 1

      China, Iran, and the whole bloody criminal community...

    47. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      If that's the angle you're going with, then you're going to have to assume assume that for the last 150 or so years, we have had nothing but "bad presidents who muck around in shit they shouldn't be." This isn't about some elected official's agenda. It's longstanding government policy. It's how we do things.

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    48. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      What an idiotic comparison.

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    49. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Jiro · · Score: 1

      It is a peaceful protest. They're not shooting anyone, after all.

      The deceit is in the idea that a "peaceful protest" is legal, or that a "peaceful protest" is harmless. There are all sorts of peaceful protests which are neither. Gathering in a rally of 10000 people in pointy hats where you pledge not to hire someone of a different race is a peaceful protest as long as no guns or burning crosses come out.

    50. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      He was appointed by Paul von Hindenberg, who was the president of the Weimar Republic and had the authority to appoint the chancellor - Hitler's official title. He was not directly voted into office.

    51. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine, but name a president who hasn't; it's pretty hard. Not that the rest of the world is any better, but after all the US is a country that was built off genociding its previous inhabitants, and had to fight a war over whether human slavery was okay.

    52. Re:Not sure I see the point of this. by dthx1138 · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes. Ends justifying the means.... bravo.

      Tell you what; tomorrow, we are going to start raiding the DMV and stealing people's driving test records. Maybe that will teach them to build a DMV without armed guards posted outside 24/7 and orders to shoot on sight.

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  9. IT'S THE FUCKIN KOMMIES !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or Komics !! Or Kovaks !! I can't tell !! I won't tell.

    1. Re:IT'S THE FUCKIN KOMMIES !! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Get with the times, man, the guys we don't like are labeled terrorists today.

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  10. Re:So... by Gohtar · · Score: 1

    You can still collect IP addresses with an HTTP download.

  11. Conspiracies... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    I just can't help but think what has changed recently which might explain the flood of all these high profile attacks.

    A critical mass of stupidity? (OWASP greatest fails)

    TLA false flagging for 1984 legislation?

    Two hacking groups (lulz and anon) with nothing better to do?

    Whatever the reason I hope people are taking this opportunity to wake up.

    1. Re:Conspiracies... by mandelbr0t · · Score: 1

      This is what happens when a government oppresses its people for too long -- anarchy. Obama wants people to believe he can control the Internet, but he can't. "The more you tighten your grasp, Tarkan, the more the galaxies slip through your fingers."

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    2. Re:Conspiracies... by atriusofbricia · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is what happens when a government oppresses its people for too long -- anarchy. Obama wants people to believe he can control the Internet, but he can't. "The more you tighten your grasp, Tarkan, the more the galaxies slip through your fingers."

      Er... what oppression are you referring to? Or is this another case of someone who has little idea what real oppression is like trying to say that he US is sooooo evil and oppressive because... oh.. I don't know.. something or other.. Not saying it is perfect and hasn't gotten less free over time.. just saying that if you think living in the US is living under oppression then you don't know what oppression really is.

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    3. Re:Conspiracies... by mandelbr0t · · Score: 0

      So the fact that other countries are more oppressive is an excuse for governments to take away liberties? Fine, I'm not rotting in jail or anything like that, but I find myself unable to make even the most basic living under these wartime conditions. Jail is not much worse than my current situation.

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    4. Re:Conspiracies... by atriusofbricia · · Score: 1

      So the fact that other countries are more oppressive is an excuse for governments to take away liberties? Fine, I'm not rotting in jail or anything like that, but I find myself unable to make even the most basic living under these wartime conditions. Jail is not much worse than my current situation.

      No, and I don't believe I said anything close to that. What I did say is that the current conditions in this country, even factoring in your unfortunate ones, are not even close to real oppression and that there very much is a difference. You mentioned rotting in jail. If you go out on the street and declare that Obama is a dick, will you go to jail? Are you posting freely and openly on the Internet with little to no fear of a knock in the night? If you were homosexual and told the world, are you likely to be stoned to death by the state? Do you live in constant fear that what you think, say or do will get you shot or make you disappear in the night? That's real oppression. You're inability to make "even the most basic living", though unfortunate, is not in any way "oppression".

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    5. Re:Conspiracies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'what oppression are you referring to? Or is this another case of someone who has little idea what real oppression is like trying to say that he US is sooooo evil and oppressive because... oh.. I don't know'

      1. The USA drops bombs on foreign civilians.
      2. The USA exports its inflation.
      3. The USA routinely uses torture.
      4. The USA has the largest number of prisoners in the world.
      5. The USA routinely slaughters its own people in "no-knock" raids.

      etc. etc. etc.

  12. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be very easy to take down the server, but it's much harder to take down a distributed tracker. Also, you don't need to buy large quantities of traffic.

  13. Err, Anonymous? by bbbaldie · · Score: 1

    The recording industry really, really7 sux. Evil city Their RIAA, too. Please, go after them. These guys are on our side.

    1. Re:Err, Anonymous? by bbbaldie · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the incoherence. You guys should make us proofread first ;-) The recording industry really, really sux. Evil city. Their beloved RIAA, too. Please go after them. These guys are on our side.

    2. Re:Err, Anonymous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they are not on our side, they're on their own side, serving their corporate overlords. When there's an invading force, and the armed troops aren't on the other side of the planet, maybe you'll have a point? I see little to gain from publishing email address for jar heads, but the private contractors making trillions out of "our" wars deserve extensive investigations. After all, if they've nothing to hide, what's the problem?

    3. Re:Err, Anonymous? by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      That was no more coherent the second time around.

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  14. They sure have some bawlz. by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    You got to hand it to them: These blackhat/lulz Hacker types sure do have some balls. I'd be scared shitless to pull such a stunt, even if I *did* have the information. I'd be super-ultra-extreme paranoid and cover my tracks many times over. I actually wouldn't know where to start when attemting that.

    Probably something like this:
    1. Multiple levels of undetected low-profile unix breakins to start off a botnet.
    2. Multiple levels of botnets on top of that to finally hack the systems involved in the attack and breach, using totally different malware strategies as to go undetected among the usual hodge-podge of criminal botnets.
    3. Low-profile IDS on all levels to scout for detection or suspicious tracing activity 24/7.
    4. Encrypted, low-profile bit-by-bit intrusion and trickle-data-grab over weeks or months.
    5. Complete rollback and teardown of the entire network with IDS remaining on the last lines of defense (see 1.) ready to send out signals if someone comes for you.
    6. Wait. A long time.
    7. Release data and press release over simularly complex channels.

    Imagine what happens to you if the CIA or some other 3-letter blackops finds out where you're at. Your life is pretty much over then.

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    1. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Shark · · Score: 2

      This type of knowledge has been deemed dangerous. Please report to your local intelligence agency for evaluation and risk assessment.

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    2. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Normal+Dan · · Score: 1

      Nah, you don't need anything this complex. You can hack in from your home network with nothing special and even leave your email address and contact information. As long as you don't brag about what you did, they have no way of tracking you. Trust me on this. There's nothing to be worried about... nothing to worry about.... worry about... worry...

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    3. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the majority of Qaeda members who've been making a mockery of the CIA for decades.

      More likely is that if any of these crackers are even caught, the CIA will make a deal to coopt them instead of destroy them. The CIA likes nothing better than skilled makers of mayhem - except perhaps mayhem itself.

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    4. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Jerry · · Score: 1

      Your plan would fail at this point:
      "1. Multiple levels of undetected low-profile unix breakins to start off a botnet."

      Two years ago it took some bad guys 6 months to hack into only 700 Linux boxes because they had to do it manually. Just sending an email with an infected packet won't work on Linux the way it worked to create the most recently discovered Windows botfarm, which contained over 4,500,000 Windows zombies.

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    5. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by crow_t_robot · · Score: 1

      Or you could just sit in a free wifi area or use your neighbors wifi (down the block), boot backtrack and fire up nmap/metasploit.

    6. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are those the 7 proxies?

    7. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Ulua53 · · Score: 1

      Last I saw they are hiding behind tor and hacked routers.

    8. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      you're more or less right-- the OP is just gonna get busted tinkering with IDS on his botnet or whatever crazy crap and never get to his actual target.

      Just go to a coffee shop you've never been to on the other side of town and pop a wifi AP in the area. Just be mindful to not do stupid shit like log into your facebook account and treat it sorta like an OTP-- dough-nut re-use.

      This last part is crucial, go check max butler's 2nd case, they figured out what APs were available, and then cross-referenced them with login's on boxes he controlled.

      It's easiest to just make a separation in your life, and when it's show time, do your one task and do it well, and then return to the other part of your life.
      The trick is to never give them a reason to look at you as a person in the first place.

      Past that, it's making sure you don't get caught with physical evidence. I like to find cheap old laptops I can buy in person used from places like goodwill and pc repair stores/etc and one-time use them as well then wipe and donate back to a thrift store. Once you're through that, you should be more or less bullet proof.

    9. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine what happens to you if the CIA or some other 3-letter blackops finds out where you're at. Your life is pretty much over then.

      Kevin Mitnick hacked into FBI voicemail while he was being hunted, he seems to be doing ok. I think you underestimate the amount of derp in these agencies.

    10. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me make this much simpler for you...

      #1 Fake your mac address
      #2 Walk into any major park with free wifi.

      For bonus points write your scripts before you anonymously connect to their free WIFI and walk anonymously through free hotspots as you hack off them :)

      Hell even in Bryant Park Manhattan with a bazillion camera's i'm sure they will never prove it but I'm not giving anyone free anonymous advice!!!

    11. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by dcollins · · Score: 1

      Haven't they made some arrests in a few European countries, and the targets are, like, 17-year-old kids? Outright naivete and foolhardiness will short-circuit a lot of your track-covering-requirements right quick.

      Like for all the same reasons you can only really fight wars with a bunch of mostly un-laid young men. Or as "the war nerd" wrote this spring: in a real combat, it's your bravest friend who would be at the front and the first to die.

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    12. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by afabbro · · Score: 1

      You got to hand it to them: These blackhat/lulz Hacker types sure do have some balls.

      They're 14-year-olds. They barely have pubic hair and I'm not sure that all of them have a full set yet.

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    13. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless you want a job from them

    14. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest adding that you use a machine that you use only for this and never for anything that could remotely be tied to you.

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    15. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      IIRC that was over the LOIC thing. I somehow doubt the LulzSec guys were stupid enough to even touch that with a mile long pole.

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    16. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If they're 14year olds, I want their resume as soon as they get a chance. If they can achieve this level of skill at just 14 years of age, I certainly want them on my team.

      I'm hiring. And paying well. Just get out 'fore you have a police record, that would be a showstopper.

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    17. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That hasn't worked for ages by now. The CIA soon learned that hiring the people who'd hack you for fun isn't really a good idea. They tend to be less ... loyal.

      Let's be sensible here. You have someone who hacked you, a rather intimidating looking three letter agency, for kicks. Why did they do that? Certainly not because they like you so much.

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    18. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're thinking too hard. Just drive to some neighborhood and hijack the wifi with a used laptop you got off craigslist. Do that for two weeks, then drive off somewhere and use another wifi.

    19. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have missed the last decade of headlines. The CIA has made a hobby out of killing Qaeda members for about that long. Being the #2 guy in a Qaeda affiliated group is pretty much a death sentence, and being the #1 guy means you shouldn't plan on sleeping in the same bed two nights running. I would also point you to this article, which you seem to have missed:

      http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=13505703

      Yes, it took a while. But in the end, it was Osama bin Laden in the bottom of the ocean, not the CIA.

    20. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by blackair · · Score: 1

      You got to hand it to them: These blackhat/lulz Hacker types sure do have some balls. I'd be scared shitless to pull such a stunt, even if I *did* have the information. I'd be super-ultra-extreme paranoid and cover my tracks many times over. I actually wouldn't know where to start when attemting that.

      Probably something like this: 1. Multiple levels of undetected low-profile unix breakins to start off a botnet. 2. Multiple levels of botnets on top of that to finally hack the systems involved in the attack and breach, using totally different malware strategies as to go undetected among the usual hodge-podge of criminal botnets. 3. Low-profile IDS on all levels to scout for detection or suspicious tracing activity 24/7. 4. Encrypted, low-profile bit-by-bit intrusion and trickle-data-grab over weeks or months. 5. Complete rollback and teardown of the entire network with IDS remaining on the last lines of defense (see 1.) ready to send out signals if someone comes for you. 6. Wait. A long time. 7. Release data and press release over simularly complex channels.

      Imagine what happens to you if the CIA or some other 3-letter blackops finds out where you're at. Your life is pretty much over then.

      I agree, NSA, CIA, DOD can royal bend you over with no lube and mess a person life up ( can you say rendition). Their was no strategic thinking involved. If they were really just trying to point out the holes in the system there a whole list of people that could have sent that info with. instead they put it on a torrent site. so not only do they get credit for a great hack but also with pretty much putting in the hands on unscruplous people, oh and since that list is connected to Marines, soldiers, sailors and Airmen they put themseleves on the wrong side of public opinion & sympathy of the average American.

    21. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      Believe me, I love Linux as much as the next Systems Administrator, but times have changed a bit for Linux security. There are so many Web Applications that bundle old insecure versions of Apache, Tomcat and PHP that it almost is just a matter of sending the right infected/targeted packets at them. If an Admin is asleep at the wheel, not tracking new files that are written as the Apache user or the UID that's running their web services, then their systems are quite likely already compromised.

      Just because it's Linux doesn't mean it's secure. It takes time to harden Linux, and it takes time to monitor your settings and network. As many have stated before, the real issue here is too many jobs are being cut that don't directly affect profits. Companies hire an SA for 6 months to setup Linux and install their new whiz-bang web app, and then they let them go onto the next contract.

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    22. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      And on the other side of Tor, they're probably on free/public wifi, well away from where they live.

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    23. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you actually think that running downloaded scripts in metasploit takes "skill," and that you'd hire these morons as soon as they're old enough to vote, then I truly feel sorry for whatever company you work for...

    24. Re:They sure have some bawlz. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Considering what's today passing as a security auditor, I'd say it's a step up from the usual "Run $security_auditing_tool, print report, hand it in as "your" report".

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  15. Re:A Military Contractor Named Booz? not Alcohol.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its the Jachin and Boaz show, once again..

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0011_0_09825.html

    someday you somnambulists will arise from your stupor..

  16. nuke in exchange for ground up security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a nuclear explosion would cause the government to fund a free software development initiative to ensure the security of systems I think I would want it to occur. The insanity of writing insecure programs and fixing bugs later is not the way to design software. It should be written from the ground up with security in mind. Updates adding new features should not be applied without serious review and consideration. AND features should be modular so that components aren't needed aren't installed and thus can't be exploited.

    1. Re:nuke in exchange for ground up security? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That's right - the certainty of vast damage, perhaps triggering armageddon, is worth the annoyances, risks, and comparatively tiny damages of fixing security bugs.

      You're an idiot.

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    2. Re:nuke in exchange for ground up security? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:nuke in exchange for ground up security? by biodata · · Score: 1

      The security problem as I see it is that some people want computers to be able to know who is using them, and have built their business and defense models as though this were the case. Un/fortunately, people are cleverer than computers and some people don't want to tell the computer who they are. You can build any software and hardware measures you like and this will still be the case. Computer networks are insecure. Enjoy this time my friend. There might come a day when computers get cleverer than us and will actually be securable. Having an internet composed of computers cleverer than we are might not be as nice as it might seem.

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  17. And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by VAElynx · · Score: 1

    And messing up Libya. I wonder what that tells about them.

    1. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      How is the US messing up Libya?

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    2. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      what i like is that in Libya the US feels they NEED to help the people, however in north korea this seems the people seem to not be oppressed enough. right?

      unless ofcourse the US has something to gain from another person power in Libya, or some big country is protecting north korea/the us already gains something from north korea.

    3. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheap Manufacturing.

      South Korea and North Korea both operate factories in the north, producing cheap goods with slave labour. These goods are used to subvert labour rights movements and wage demands in South Korea, making South Korean goods cheap in the US.

      And then there's China, they prop up the North Korean regime, because they realise that if it fails, it will be an unrealistic burden for them to support the large numbers of refugees that will poor into China from the failed state.

      Finally, there's that whole thing that the US couldn't really do anything even if they wanted to. The North Koreans are indoctrinated from childhood to believe that the US are the evil imperialists that are going to come and rape and murder them, what better way to prove them right.

    4. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By preventing a whole bunch of people from being slaughtered. Two countries is more messed up than one country, after all.

    5. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US is bombing Libya? I thought it was the British and French.

    6. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that trade agreement with South Korea is about to go off the rails because some Republican wingnut put anti-abortion language in the bill.

    7. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Cheap Manufacturing.

      Wrong, about nearly everything in your post. There are very few North Korean factories run by South Korean companies (about 40,000 workers employed) and those factories only turn a small profit when you take into account North Korea's bellicosity, such as unilaterally shutting down the industrial park from time to time, demanding "wage increases" for its citizens, of which all goes to the North Korean state anyway.

      And the reason war won't start on the peninsula is because of a kind of "mutually assured destruction" situation there. North Korea is careful to keep its level of provocation low enough that not going to war is always less costly than dealing with literally tens of thousands of North Korean long-range artillery and rockets that are easily within range of and pointed at Seoul.

    8. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by yeltski · · Score: 1

      Everything members of NATO do is sanctioned by US.

    9. Re:And yet the US is ignoring pakistan by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Huh? They found oil in NKor? When?

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  18. Re:So... by pavon · · Score: 1

    With HTTP you have one peer - the HTTP server. With torrent you have many peers. In both cases they have access to your IP address. So it depends on how much you trust the server.

    The reason they use torrent and not HTTP for stuff like this is because
    A) they don't want to pay for the bandwidth of serving that file to thousands of people, nor to be able to be traced to that server.
    B) Free HTTP sharing sites have bandwidth limits, rat people out, and are a general PITA.
    C) With bitorrent there is less centralization so it is harder to stop distribution of the file.

  19. Re:So... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be best to use Tor to distribute it?

  20. Re:So... by LordLucless · · Score: 1

    The hosting server can. An arbitrary client can't hop on and grab a list of everyone else downloading it at the same time, though.

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  21. Don't be dense. by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

    Don't be dense. This is Lulzsec. They're just calling themselves Anonymous to get some form of protection.

    1. Re:Don't be dense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the paranoia has kicked in and grown strong. Now they use the guise of Anon, which could be anyone.

  22. yes keep it up and intesne by gedw99 · · Score: 0

    Nice work guys !! Stick it to them and keep it up... wars suck and government just love to have them

  23. Re:So... by kodr · · Score: 1

    You can still use TOR if you need to.

  24. Age of Assholes by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2

    On the one hand, the military and its contractors are assholes for exposing tens of thousands (and surely more) of military people's accounts to cracking and outing.

    On the other hand, Anonymous is assholes cracking and outing tens of thousands (and surely more) of military people's accounts.

    That's both hands assholes. Have you noticed that everyone in public life these days is an asshole?

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    1. Re:Age of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, they're mostly american military people, right? The USA is the aggressively militaristic and expansionist empire builder at the moment (sure, russia and china may be trying, but the USA is the only one really doing it). It's not all that clear that it's a bad thing in global humanitarian terms to place the american military in greater danger. (If you're american and under the delusion you're "keeping the world safe from the terrorists", well, you aren't, you ARE the terrorists. Scary door music, etc.)

    2. Re:Age of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow i really do not know how to respond to this idiot.

      That's the single coherent phrase you managed in your post. Should have stopped at it.

    3. Re:Age of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, then, it's your job to be the Dick.

    4. Re:Age of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the one hand, the military and its contractors are assholes for exposing tens of thousands (and surely more) of military people's accounts to cracking and outing.

      On the other hand, Anonymous is assholes cracking and outing tens of thousands (and surely more) of military people's accounts.

      That's both hands assholes. Have you noticed that everyone in public life these days is an asshole?

      "Who's he? He's an asshole, sir. I know that; what's his name? That is his name, sir, Asshole, Major Asshole! And his cousin? He's an asshole too sir, First class Phillip Asshole. How many assholes we got on this ship anyhow? YO! I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes!"

    5. Re:Age of Assholes by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Some think it's worth to fight what they perceive as evil by blowing themselves up. So I guess risking going to a PITA prison is rather tame in comparison.

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    6. Re:Age of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what exactly was the point of this comment?
      is this some kind of "asshole analysis" or something

    7. Re:Age of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are getting old and crotchety.
      Civil disobedience comes with social/economic decline. An established group tries to exercise greater control, causing another group to rise up against them. -shrug- this has been going on since the invention of democracy.

    8. Re:Age of Assholes by fraudrogic · · Score: 1

      "Keep firing, ASSHOLES!"

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    9. Re:Age of Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are shit. Whenever I'm in a crowd I think to myself, "Who left this shit all over the place?" I'm shit, you're shit, the world is shit, and if you're sitting there thinking "Yes it's true, everyone is shit except me," then you're a double bacon shit with large fries, Mr. Shitface.

      ~ Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw ~

    10. Re:Age of Assholes by noodler · · Score: 1

      "That's both hands assholes. Have you noticed that everyone in public life these days is an asshole?"

      You sure you've got nothing Freudian going on there?

  25. Re:So... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1, Informative

    TOR is an end-user decision. Host it on the web and the people downloading it could use TOR, but you don't really specifically distribute via TOR.

    What you're talking about is more akin to Freenet.

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  26. Nothing as dangerous as ignorance in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia says, "Thank you."
    China says, "Thank you."
    You are known by your chosen friends.

    1. Re:Nothing as dangerous as ignorance in action by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Don't think so. I could China see say "Dammit, why did they have to? Now they might tighten their security and when we need to get in it's gonna be harder".

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  27. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's "Tor", and you can host anonymously with "hidden services".

  28. False flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government is doing this to incense people enough that they can put forth draconian laws about hacking and internet use.

    You know, like how we used 9/11 to start multiple wars.

  29. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should..... by Proudrooster · · Score: 0

    Anonymous... why would you make this move? This serves no purpose but to aggravate the military and focus even more attention on P2P. I suspect the Lulzsec kiddies are now a rogue branch of anonymous.

  30. The bigger picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look, yeah sure not much good can come from posting those accounts...

    BUT If they were able to get the account information.. Well then you have to assume that other countries' cyber warriors (whatever you want to call them) also had that information and potentially more.

    It the very least it brings (the lack of) security to the publics mind as well as
    Govt/Corps. Personally, I think the illusion of security does much more harm than good.

  31. false flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    false flag ops designed to facilitate a locked down internet.

  32. What these guys are doing now is mush more serious by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    What these guys are doing now is mush more serious and may get them killed instead of jailed. They are playing Espionage Vs the US military. Selling,or giving or using for there own benefit military data that doesn't belong to them might get them a date with a firing line. And guess what, im all for it. Just because you CAN do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. If you want to play you better be ready to pay and some of theses guys might pay an ultimate price. Time will tell

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  33. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, safer way is to hack a WEP protected wireless, preferably in the downtown area. Then used it to grab the torrent.

    that'll teach them a lesson not to use WEP

  34. Re:Here rapidshare links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the real deal guys. Don't use torrents, or the peers will have your IP. Download from the RapidShare link over Tor.

  35. So now by Prune · · Score: 1

    I guess Allen Hamilton will really be hitting the Booz!

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  36. Do America a favor, and start hacking the Chinese. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no problem pointing out the fuckedup'ness of our stupid fucking country... because it is our country...

    However. I would like to see Anon start tackling OTHER countries, because America is not the old land of BS. It is also every other nation who we compete with.

  37. Not Ironic - descriptive by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Not as ironic as Standard & Poor's.

    That's not ironic its descriptive for a credit rating agency. Either you make their arbitrary standard you'll be poor...just ask the Greek Government.

    1. Re:Not Ironic - descriptive by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      Greece's credit rating is the least of their concerns. As if their credit rating was responsible for all their self-inflicted problems.

  38. Re:Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect the Lulzsec kiddies are now a rogue branch of anonymous.

     
    No, this is Anonymous. Not that other Anonymous full of assholes you'd like to pin this on, to keep thinking the first Anonymous was any better.
     
    They're all assholes. This is what they do.

  39. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you could distribute it as http published to a Tor hidden service... but then hardly anyone would see it.

  40. Re:Here rapidshare links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, don't click the link.

  41. Re:Here rapidshare links by E.I.A · · Score: 0

    Why the fuck would you post something like that? Warning to all: scatology in its worst form. Do not look.

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  42. "Pearl Harbor" by sarku · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Didn't some top ranking official recently say something about an internet "Pearl Harbor?" You see, this isn't Anonymous, or any other basement hackers looking for lulz in all the wrong places. This is the fucking government working to tighten control over the internet.

    1. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by the_raptor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because a break in at some third rate defence contractor is equivalent to the destruction of a large part of the US pacific fleet and the deaths of thousands of US military personnel.

      A "digital Pearl Harbor" would be a break in to something like the NSA/CIA/Pentagon that allowed an enemy to gain and exploit a military advantage.

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    2. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by craw · · Score: 1

      BAH is not a third rate defense contractor. They provide software to three letter USA government agencies. If a contractor to three letter agencies is compromised, then this might affect the agencies especially if some future exploitable weakness has been discovered (and not later fixe). Or information about how the agencies is implementing security or other operational things.

      Digital Pearl Harbor means many things, IMHO, but one is being surprised by an attack that you have not fully anticipated.

    3. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda like how bush said 9/11 was the new Pearl Harbor. I swear I watched a video once of Bush saying that, dated the day after 911. Searched goog for a while but couldn't find it.

      Also there was that PNAC thing... you know, the vocal "think tank" composed of people who would later join the Bush Administration. The memo of their goals which said America needs a "new Pearl Harbor" to further its agenda... that came true.

      You'd have to be an idiot not to see that 911 fit in perfectly with Big Brother's goals. And you'd have to be an idiot not to see these recent Anonymous attacks as ammunition in Big Brother's war against to right to be anonymous.

    4. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by inKubus · · Score: 1

      Sure, the U.S. Military could be Anonymous. It could be anyone.

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    5. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if it was (which I don't think) CIA-instigated they would be shooting themselves in the foot. The last thing they want is an angry public fed up with the system.

      You may remember this if you're old enough...

      I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth; banks are going bust; shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter; punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it..

      We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!.

      We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy..

      It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out any more. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, "Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.".

      Well, I'm not going to leave you alone..

      I want you to get mad! .

      I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your Congressman, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street..

      All I know is that first, you've got to get mad..

      You've gotta say, "I'm a human being, goddammit! My life has value!".

      So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell,.

                                      "I'm as mad as hell,.

                                      and I'm not going to take this anymore!!".

    6. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by the_raptor · · Score: 1

      Microsoft provides software to three letter USA government agencies. Providing services to three letter government agencies doesn't make you a top tier contractor.

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    7. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by noodler · · Score: 1

      "This is the fucking government working to tighten control over the internet."

      By breaking into private systems that have little to do with the internet?
      Suuure...
      Maybe it's time for a tin-foil hat festival?

    8. Re:"Pearl Harbor" by gknoy · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

      Booz Allen Hamilton is a company whose core business is contractual work for the US government, and it rakes in roughly 5 billion dollars a year doing it. I think that qualifies as a "top tier" contractor by almost any definition, unless you're trying perhaps to make a top-ten list or something. (I have no idea how BAH compares to Lockheed or Northrup-Grumman, for example.)

  43. Re:Here rapidshare links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF? where do you get turds that big?

  44. Re:Here rapidshare links by Duradin · · Score: 0

    You're not at negative karma yet?

  45. By ignoring the right to self-determination. by VAElynx · · Score: 0

    And aiding a bunch of filthy "rebels" , which are a minority and quite the chunk of them are religious fanatics on par with those in pakistan and afghanistan.
    Besides, tell me, how is bombarding Tripolis in the OSN mandate which was to prevent civillian losses?

    1. Re:By ignoring the right to self-determination. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      How is aiding the rebels, even bombing Kadaffy's forces, messing up Libya?

      The rebels are no filthier than Kadaffy's loyalists. Only a minority of Americans ever vote in our elections. Who are these religious fanatics?

      Aren't you just a Kadaffy loyalist?

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    2. Re:By ignoring the right to self-determination. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Military structures are in Tripolis. IMO the mandate would include a direct attack on Gaddafi as well since he has proven himself to pose quite a threat to the civilian population.

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    3. Re:By ignoring the right to self-determination. by VAElynx · · Score: 1

      . IMO the mandate would include a direct attack on Gaddafi as well since he has proven himself to pose quite a threat to the civilian population. I bet this comes from the same idea dump as that drone-bombing isn't an act of war, just a support role ,and as such there's no need for a congress mandate.

  46. False Flag. by refactored · · Score: 0
    Create a leak... that has already leaked.

    Allow one or two deaths of "Our Heroic Sons and Defenders" apparently as the result of it.

    Crack down savagely on all 'net freedoms whilst Middle America cheers.

    Profit.

    Just not for you or I.

  47. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    B) Free HTTP sharing sites have bandwidth limits, rat people out, and are a general PITA.

    They only rat out the file sharers (uploaders), and in many countries sharing files is not illegal.

  48. Re:Do America a favor, and start hacking the Chine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL, where you bullied at school too?

  49. MOD PARENT UP by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    Fear makes the wolf look bigger

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    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, spiky fluffed up fur makes the wolf look bigger. Humans have the same response, interestingly enough, but because our "fur" is tiny, we just feel it as "prickling" or "goosebumps".

  50. Re:Do America a favor, and start hacking the Chine by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah? How do you know that they aren't really some chinese special ops who convinced all you gwailo anons to do their work for them?

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  51. My girlfriend works for Booz Allen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'll tell her to change her password

  52. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And with an http server, anyone in the middle can see exactly what you are grabbing as well.
    If I were government investigating the leak of such, you'd be sure I'd be watching the distributors and who expresses interest.

  53. Congrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, anonymous ups it's morality closer to that of SPAMMER (I know that's scraping the bottom of the barrel). How about "molester of mental patients". Though that's probably still a compliment at worse.

  54. Pro American comments here? by devent · · Score: 1

    Strong pro military comments here. It would be better if A. only hacked the emails of high military leaders, up from a General, but it's just against the law to hack the email accounts, think about it this way:

    If I bunch of teenagers could do it, so can other states do it. Who knows how long the email accounts are actually already hacked by China or N. Korea. Now A. exposed the security hole and at least the military needs to change their passwords.

    Also the US military are not good Samaritans. Who known how much dirt someone can find in their emails, like contracts to the industry, killing people, torture, etc.

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  55. Horribly Naive. by crhylove · · Score: 0

    First: They don't actually count our votes. See: Diebold.
    Second: There IS no fourth estate. It's all a megacorporation with vested interest. See: Freedom of the Press, The FCC, Etc..
    Third: The ONLY candidates that are "realistic" are corporate employees. See: Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and Johnson.
    Fourth: Elections do not matter when those elected are gunned down in the street. See: JFK, RFK, MLK, Paul Wellstone.
    Fifth: It seems the ONLY thing the US has done since WWII is muck around in shit it shouldn't have. See: Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, etc..
    Sixth: The country is run by economic interests. The FED is privately owned.

    "If Americans ever allow banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless." - Thomas Jefferson

    But yeah, I mean, I guess people should've voted differently at some point? LOLZ GO ANONYMOUS!!!

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    1. Re:Horribly Naive. by wintercolby · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points.

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    2. Re:Horribly Naive. by crhylove · · Score: 1

      Appreciated. I'm continually surprised at how establishment friendly /. has become. Years ago it was much more anti-establishment. These days, you speak the truth against corporation, you get modded right down... :(

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    3. Re:Horribly Naive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, I was right. Moderated into oblivion.

    4. Re:Horribly Naive. by admdrew · · Score: 1

      OTOH, you posted your comment from a (relatively) reliable and affordable internet connection that probably is able to do unrestricted web searches. Could be worse.


      ..................not that we should ever stop trying to make it better.

  56. Go Anonymous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    100% unequivocal support. Let it burn! You are batman!

  57. Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two things should probably be made clear, if they aren't already.

    1. Anyone's email address in the military is first.last - the 'outing' of that particular data is meaningless.

    2. These aren't the passwords to those email accounts.

    The only collateral damage that could occur is, again, password reuse. Keep in mind that personnel log into their accounts with their ID Card - while there is a text password associated with military email accounts, you are going to get asked a bunch of security questions trying to use it.

    The important aspect of this leak is, of course, how utterly ridiculous the security practices of BAH are, particularly considering its "status".

  58. Re:Here rapidshare links by Opportunist · · Score: 0

    I post too much and mod too little.

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  59. Re:Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    You're still assuming some kind of organization in the whole mess. Anonymous is no "group" in the common sense, and I somehow doubt that LulzSec is. It's a bunch of people who sail under the same flag, but that doesn't make them a nation.

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  60. Re:Do America a favor, and start hacking the Chine by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Do America a favor and do NOT do it!

    When it's time for war with China, the last thing you need is that they got a heads-up that their systems were insecure.

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  61. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  62. Do it! by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 2

    And *you* could win a special meeting with the boys from Seal Team Six in the comfort of your very own home.

    1. Re:Do it! by biodata · · Score: 1

      Would mod Funny if could, or even laughable

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  63. Do it to other countries too. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    It's not fair that the US is the only one who gets hacked like that, they should hack all countries equally. I'm sure my own country has plenty of dirty laundry as do many others. Especially China.

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  64. Example of what i mean by extremists by VAElynx · · Score: 1

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
    And messing up Libya? Libya was up to now one of the more prosperous African countries, with a semi-decent standard of living, even compared to places like south african republic. It also has a large amount of gold, and also wasn't particularly happy about selling oil to the americans. This , as usual is just another instance of installing a government that is at least for now supposed to have deep ties to CIA and as such will bow to US whims.
    As for the elections... that points a flaw in so-called "democracy" in the USA, and definitely isn't an argument for the insurgents. You might as well be telling that being fat is healthy since a large amount of americans is obese.

    1. Re:Example of what i mean by extremists by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      All the prosperity you describe was owned by Kadaffy and distributed to the minority of people he used to protect his dictatorship. Most Libyans, like most oil producing countries' people, got nothing from it. Except being easily outgunned, and sitting out any economic development that could give them access to it or some other improvement. The large amount of gold was traded for its oil, but kept by Kadaffy.

      The current insurgency is indeed most likely boosted by the CIA. In 2006 Kadaffy faced a new US law that would have given US courts legal means to seize Kadaffy's assets stored in the US when US courts found Kadaffy liable for terrorist damages. Kadaffy wasn't singled out - it applied to all terrorist damages, already supported by the laws under which US courts were finding liability. But Kadaffy had recently completed his deal with Bush letting him back into the US oil economy, after he'd been barred because of that terrorism over many years. So Kadaffy called in the US oil corps, demanding they lobby Congress to get Libya exempted. The oil corps doubled their lobbying budget that year (it was already quite large), and got Kadaffy his exemption. But the oil corps knew Kadaffy was too much a risk of doing that whenever he wanted, so they left Libya since then (leaving behind only proxy partnerships, much harder for Kadaffy to squeeze).

      So yes, the CIA and the oil corps are behind this revolution - even if perhaps largely only in a passive role, not interfering when they have the power and the "jurisdiction". Yes, the US activity is in the US' interests. Yes, a new government will probably be better for the US' interests - which are largely the oil corps' interests.

      But so what? The US is doing this in a way that will let Libyans claim their new government as their own production. Yes, Muslim theocrats will be represented in that government - which is accurate representation of Libyans. There is no flaw in US democracy demonstrated by any of that, except that the American people have for a century and more made oil corps' interests define their own interests.

      But the Libyan people as a whole will overall benefit, at least compared to Kadaffy. And Kadaffy will suffer, leave, and perhaps even die - all of which he richly deserves. For his treatment of Americans, Libyans, and people from many other countries.

      Your argument is only for the dictator. What's your connection to him and his regime? Or maybe just to the theory that dictators are better for you and your country than a messy democracy that will sometimes have interests and values opposing yours.

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  65. Military Personnel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are the email addresses of men and women who are serving for the freedom of their country, I dont agree with this.

  66. They're pissing off who now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah, heavily armed people, many with twitchy faces and PTSD. This will turn out well.

  67. When are we by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...going to realize that organizations are made up of individuals. Want to change an organization? Start holding the individuals accountable. My knee-jerk reaction is to condemn them too, but lets face it, the military isn't a faceless machine, its an organization of individuals.

  68. Not a single entity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When are people going to get that Anonymous is not a single entity? The same people doing the Scientology stuff are not the same ones doing this are not the same ones laughing at pictures of cats with funny captions. They're all different people who call themselves "anonymous" because it fits: they're random people who aren't giving away their names.

    The name associated with this post is "anonymous coward;" do you think I'm going out and protesting Scientology, hacking government emails, and laughing at pictures of cats with funny captions? Maybe the last one just a little.

  69. one of these things is not like the other by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Carter? CARTER?!!!

    The man builds houses for the poor brown peoples for Habitrail for Humanities majors.
    He's an engineer. A nuklear engineer. Hell, that's almost a rocket sciecetamist or brain sturgeon.
    He put solar panels on the Whitehouse roof and raised awareness of the conservation of energy.
    He was elected in reaction to Nixon.
    Aside for the supporting the Palestinians (wait isn't support for Israel on of the tenants of the evil corrupt machine?...), the guy doesn't seem like a agent of the lizard people.

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    1. Re:one of these things is not like the other by crhylove · · Score: 1

      I'll agree Carter might over all be a good man. But while in he was still working for the wrong team. Not well enough though which is why they Reaganed him out of there. Plus: He didn't spill the beans on the JFK assassination. That makes him complicit.

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  70. A Short Rebuttal by Borland · · Score: 1

    And probably gotten away with it because they didn't announce it to the world.

    I'm not going to quote logical fallacies to you or use odd home/car/bank analogies. Nope. I'll adapt an old cliche: "If all your friends act like dicks and steal personal information, should you?"

    And what the fsck have they accomplished anyway? Do I know what's going on in Area 51 or what the Chinese Premier's secret world domination plans are? No, I know that the Neverwinter Nights forum and a shit-ton of secondary servers aren't well protected. Mein Gott! Who knew that many systems, some important, aren't locked down tighter than a virgin at a promise-ring concert.

  71. My GF works there by phik · · Score: 1

    and says they have a 'cyber warfare' division...they need to step their game up big time.

  72. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No big deal. You know somebody in the Army? firstname.lastname@us.army.mil. And voila, you have their email address. No hacking here, is there?

  73. Nearly 6million downloads already. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Genie ->bottle ; not going to happen.

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  74. Re:So... by robsku · · Score: 1

    A non issue if you use Tor or something alike... Though you can use it for non-http protocols as well I should think...

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