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Microsoft Developer Made the Most Changes To Linux 3.0 Code
sfcrazy sends this quote from the H:
"The 343 changes made by Microsoft developer K. Y. Srinivasan put him at the top of a list, created by LWN.net, of developers who made the most changes in the current development cycle for Linux 3.0. Along with a number of other 'change sets,' Microsoft provided a total of 361 changes, putting it in seventh place on the list of companies and groups that contributed code to the Linux kernel. By comparison, independent developers provided 1,085 change sets to Linux 3.0, while Red Hat provided 1,000 and Intel 839."
... it really is useless trivia. What's more important is what the contributions are, specifically. Per TFA:
This work by Microsoft was to clean up the “Microsoft Hyper-V (HV) driver” so that the Microsoft driver would be included in the mainline Linux kernel. Microsoft originally submitted this set of code changes back in July 2009, but there were a lot of problems with it, and the Linux kernel developers insisted that it be fixed. The Linux community had a long list of issues with Microsoft’s code, but the good news is that Microsoft worked to improve the quality of its code so that it could be accepted into the Linux kernel. Other developers helped Microsoft get their code up to par, too. ( Steve Friedl has some comments about its early technical issues.
and why:
Getting code into the mainline Linux kernel release, instead of just existing as a separate patch, is vitally important for an organization if they want people to use their software (if it needs to be part of the Linux kernel, as this did). A counter-example is that the Xen developers let KVM zoom ahead of them, because the Xen developers failed to set a high priority on getting full support for Xen into the mainline Linux kernel. As Thorsten Leemhuis at The H says, “There are many indications that the Xen developers should have put more effort into merging Xen support into the official kernel earlier. After all, while Xen was giving developers and distribution users a hard time with the old kernel, a new virtualisation star was rising on the open source horizon: KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine) In the beginning, KVM could not touch the functional scope and speed of Xen. But soon, open source developers, Linux distributors, and companies such as AMD, Intel and IBM became interested in KVM and contributed a number of improvements, so that KVM quickly caught up and even moved past Xen in some respects.” Xen may do well in the future, but this is still a cautionary tale.
I wish people would get over this myth that "could care less" means that you couldn't care less.
Insert your own flamebait joke here.
Wait, did I say "insert"? D'oh!
In LWN.net's evaluation of the number of lines of code changed, Srinivasan and Microsoft are therefore nearer the bottom of the list. LWN.net found that Microsoft developers changed 11,564 lines of code (1.3 per cent) – compared to Intel's 163,232 (18.1 per cent).
Little changes are good, but simple count of changes isn't necessarily a good measure of work done. Lines of Code, while itself not a perfect measure, is better than simply Number of Commits.
Counting rejections, somewhere between a negative and zero.
He has only been part of Microsoft since february 2011. Until then, he was part of Novel.
So the amazement here is that MS can submit deltas, in much the same way that monkey can take a picture. Last time I checked MS was a software development firm, and did work with linux. It makes sense that they would in fact try to modify the kernel to meet their needs, which may be different than others. In any case they seem to contribute a factor of 3 less than other major players.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Perhaps they couldn't care less (note the correct usage), what does that matter? So long as they contribute valid code, in compliance with licensing, that addresses a need, I don't care *who* contributes. Hell: Hans, from his jail cell, can contribute, for all of me. If it makes Linux better, and it's not some patent landmine, IJustDon'tGiveADamn.
As for user-driven innovation, yes, it is. For two reasons:
- Solo users still do contribute. Check the numbers.
- Solo users who manage to work for large companies does not mean they still don't adhere to the spirit.
So neener.
Why would Apple contribute to the Linux kernel? They're using a fork of Mach called XNU for OS X and iOS...
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
Are you high or something?
-- Linux user #369862
Yeah, if they wanted to use it, they'd just fork it and call their own.
Fanboy detected. Insert bullet to continue.
People who don't use linux and don't contribute to Linux are leeches?
Classic Freetard.
Another reason for to rattle patent swords at LINUX, There still haven't said how much for LINUX they have put into Windows
Indeed, as we all know, Apple doesn't release any free software...
Circumcision is child abuse.
2/10 Try harder.
He's got it right...
Except for the Google part. They are going to sell your testicles to the CIA for nothing, while making it look like giving you a free service.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Linux is still "a community effort of users putting their minds together". There may have been a shift from the community made up mostly of individuals to corporations but it is still, a community.
Does it matter if a contributor is an individual, an individual contributing on behalf of a company or company contributing as long as the code is of good quality, is offered in ways that agrees with the norms of the community and does not violate any license used by the community? Microsoft is contributing code because they are either using linux or they have people they are supporting who are using it hence they are part of the community effort. It doesnt matter how little any individual or company cares about the GPL, all it matters is that they conduct themselves in a way that does not violate it.
HTC, Samsung, LG and probably some others pay Linux royalties to Microsoft for their Android based phones. Actually MS makes more money from Android (Linux) then what they generate from Windows Phone 7 now. It would make sense to embed the whole Microsoft patent portfolio there to cement their rule over Linux.
The intent is probably paving the way for some demonspawn child they want to have with Novell. Treating this like Microsoft is trying to make Linux a more attractive alternative to their competing product line is incredibly disingenuous. That said, it's free code so it doesn't really matter what the intent is. It just means we may soon have a new feature in OpenSUSE that I'm not going to use.
Beware: next time you upgrade your kernel you'll get the windows logo instead of the tux. Sticking with 2.6 :-)
Leaching off open source, itard.
Irregardless, "could care less" is incorrect because it's logically flawed.
By the same token, why would Microsoft contribute to the Linux kernel? They're using a fork of Windows called Windows for Windows and Windows. I agree that Apple has no reason to contribute to Linux, but still, Microsoft has showed them up :P
Irregardless ...
I hope that was a joke!
A host is a host from coast to coast...
Unless it's down, or slow, or fails to POST!
And thats all you are.
As I post this, there are 34 comments, and 33 of them are just ignorant anti-microsoft flames. I don't like MS as much as the next guy, but you're just showing how pointless it is to care what any of you think, you are unpleasable. Nothing is good enough for you.
You're acting like a bunch of asshole teenagers, and you know what happens to asshole teenagers, everyone else ignores them and lets them dick around in their own idiotic little world until they grow out of it.
So what if MS is making patches for interoperability with their systems, if you had have a fucking clue you'd be happy for that since its practically impossible to not deal with Windows.
Whats better, is the code is code they've already submitted ... but wasn't up to your standards ... so they fixed all the issues to make it fit into the retarded little world of idiotic artificial restrictions placed on kernel code just to appease a bunch of GPL zealots ... did everything you want, and you still bitch.
These patches might make it easier for you little puds to run Linux under the MS hypervisor so you can have your Linux jerk fest even at a majority MS based company ...
Instead of looking like a bunch of angsty teenage morons, why don't you shut the fuck up and be thankful for a change.
I'm not a Linux fanboy, clearly, but I'm certainly pro-open source, my preference is FreeBSD, and never once have I bitched about an MS contributed patch. Its not like they can sneak something in, the patches are reviewed by everyone ... open source, remember? What do you think they're trying to do, run you out of existence via 'good compatibility'?
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
I should note, that almost all of these posts so far are 1million UIDs or AC, so it probably really is teenage angst, but holy shit no wonder no one commercially supports Linux, you guys are just ungrateful fucks.
Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
Your argument might have more merit if you were complaining that they don't contribute to the projects they use themselves (which, apart from WebKit, is probably a slam dunk argument, but I don't know offhand). Complaining that Apple doesn't contribute to Linux is like complaining that Google doesn't contribute to Gecko.
Contributions to Linux take many forms. Code-centric people only view contributions to the Linux kernel as contributions to Linux. Far more aware people, take contributions to Linux being amongst the following,
contributions to GNU (something you obviously need to look up),
contributions to Linux compatible hardware drivers,
contributions to Linux documentation,
contributions to Linux based graphical users interfaces,
contributions to Linux compatible applications,
contributions to graphics design including icons, appearance, fonts, screens savers, layouts,
contributions to marketing and promotion,
contributions to Linux protecting patents,
contributions to service and support,
contributions to the Linuc user community,
and of course contributions to Linux based distribution without which Linux would not exist as an operating system rather than just a kernel.
Seriously only a real asshat would take all those contributions and treat them as nothing either that or a microtroll. It amazes me that after all these years how people still fail to understand how a community developed product like Linux comes into being, how all contributions small and large are highly regarded (the value being in the sharing) and how contributions of individuals are valued (even those employed by M$, M$ did you create code, those people employed by M$ did).
From your selfish self centred viewpoint, it appears that I must apologise for using Linux whilst not being a good enough coder to contribute to the kernel. So "I am sorry", my coding sucks and my others contributions to Linux are not good enough to appease you. Of course to the rest of the Linux community I say thank you for all the contributions made no matter how great or small.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
Microsoft contributed stuff so their code would work.
Does it make "linux" better? No.
Does it allow THEIR code to work? Yes.
So interoperability is bad? Thats pretty fucking funny considering the number of fanboys such as yourself that shout that MS goes out of its way to break interoperability.
Would better interop not make Linux better? Seems rather illogical to say that Linux working better with Windows is a bad thing, since that is what you're saying I'm going to have to assume one of us is as retarded as Corky from Life Goes On, and its not me.
Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
We're talking drivers here, so of course the contributions come from other companies. This is all about hardware abstraction, not end user GUI's.
I wish people would get under it.
So you're saying the people who review kernel patches are so shitty they couldn't spot any of the things you're referring too?
You do realize you're insulting your own team more than the other team right, you're just too stupid to realize ... oh ... never mind.
Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
Yes, it does. How Linux not doing stuff people want to do is good again? Should all the people that use the module fully change to Windows instead?
Rethinking email
Irregardless, "could care less" is incorrect because it's logically flawed.
I couldn't care more, about that.
Yeah, because Microsoft hires dummies and pays them shitty wages, you know? Here's a clue: You wouldn't make the cut in a Microsoft hiring process.
Microsoft has a reason, it's called Hyper-V. Microsoft wants companies to use Hyper-V instead of VMWare and other virtualization platforms, and for that to work, even if Microsoft detests it, they need to support Linux as a virtualized guest.
This just makes me think of how, if you call someone out for being incredibly stupid, they just go "LOLOLOL I TROLLED YOU GOOD" in order to save face.
Where was that one picture....
What? 'Irregardless' is a perfectly comulent word.
No, I checked. it's you.
They only added interoperability for them. It does nothing for linux.
I know, facts upset you people who call everyone else fanboys.
It's ok.
One day when you're out of junior high (or ITT tech) you'll understand.
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Sure. People who want to use windows should switch to windows. The "module" is useless to anybody else.
You want windows? Go use windows.
You want linux? Use linux.
Microsoft contributed nothing that helps anyone who doesn't want to use windows.
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Does it make "linux" better? No.
The code gives people more choices. For those already using Hyper-V, it gives them a choice of using Linux on their VMs instead of Windows. For those already using Linux, it gives them a choice of using Hyper-V to host their VMs instead of KVM, VMware or other solutions. Are you saying that choice is not good?
Linux is still "a community effort of users putting their minds together". There may have been a shift from the community made up mostly of individuals to corporations but it is still, a community. Does it matter if a contributor is an individual, an individual contributing on behalf of a company or company contributing as long as the code is of good quality, is offered in ways that agrees with the norms of the community and does not violate any license used by the community? Microsoft is contributing code because they are either using linux or they have people they are supporting who are using it hence they are part of the community effort. It doesnt matter how little any individual or company cares about the GPL, all it matters is that they conduct themselves in a way that does not violate it.
I will tell you what really makes me personally feel like I am participating in a community. For most Open Source software I have used, if I have a question or a suggestion or simply some feedback, I can usually communicate directly with the maintainer or lead developer of the project. They are accessible. They are fellow human beings, not corporate conglomerates. There are no layers of sales reps or receptionists or PR personnel. Sometimes I send an e-mail just to say "thank you" for the simple reason that they owe me absolutely nothing, yet I benefit from the work they have chosen to make freely available.
It would be like calling up Microsoft and speaking directly to Ballmer about Windows. No regular Microsoft customer is ever going to do that. That's the difference between a community and a conglomerate. That, and with most Linux distributions users help each other as much as (if not more than) organizations provide formal support.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
Except for the Google part. They are going to sell your testicles to the CIA for nothing, while making it look like giving you a free service.
That's still in closed beta - so I'd appreciate it if you could send me an invite.
#DeleteChrome
Because when it's source is clearly a mistaken use of a more common idiom, and when people read it and think "idiot" because it makes the user look stupid for making a mistake in a common idiom, then maybe it is not such a good idea overall.
Plus, I don't think for a second that most users use it sarcastically. They use it because they don't think it through.
The code from ANYONE at Microsoft is venom ... and must be dead ... and must be deleated.
Neither Microsoft nor Apple can be trusted! They are both EVIL. KILL their CODE! ... Let their
bodies BURN.
A real good day will be when the bodies of Microsoft and Apple employees are burning in the streets.
-- //
Just a suggestion... cut back on the caffeine.
#DeleteChrome
No, it's called illiteracy.
It's not sarcasm, it's just stupid people who don't know what they are saying.
The code from ANYONE at Microsoft is venom ... and must be dead ... and must be deleated.
Neither Microsoft nor Apple can be trusted! They are both EVIL. KILL their CODE! ... Let their
bodies BURN.
A real good day will be when the bodies of Microsoft and Apple employees are burning in the streets.
-- //
I'm going to enjoy the people without humor radars who respond in horror to this post.
> For those already using Hyper-V, it gives them a choice of using Linux on their VMs instead of Windows. For those already using Linux, it gives them a choice of using Hyper-V to host their VMs instead of KVM, VMware or other solutions
You're saying the same thing twice.
FOR THOSE USING WINDOWS, they can _also_ run Linux.
If they ran Linux they could host whatever they want. THAT'S why Microsoft did this. VMware Server is free, and it runs on Linux or Windows, and it hosts EVERYTHING.
If you're running Windows and Hyper-V... then you can't run everything.
Please who choose to decrease their choices by running windows shouldn't go rushing out to buy greeting cards when some of those choices are returned to them. This does not enhance Linux nor the experience of anyone who uses it. It's for WINDOWS people wanting MORE WINDOWS functionality that they didn't get when they... wait for it... used Windows.
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Depends, I use it sometimes knowing full well its sarcastic and peeves people like you off, then again, it is funny watching idiots use it none the wiser.
What about "thank you" and "but that does not means we are friends"... Keep tje code flowing
I wish people would get over this myth of Linux being a community effort of users putting their minds together. (Score:1, Interesting)
I wish people would get over this myth that "could care less" means that you couldn't care less.(Score:4, Informative)
I wish people would get over the myth that mod points should be spent more on grammar nazi'ism than the topic at hand.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
yeah, i feel the same way about people who use the wrong "its".
but seriously, the "could care less" form is the more common version now, for good or ill. should it matter if each user doesn't think it through? assuming that the phrase came about first through sarcastic use and then normalized, the meaning is nonetheless obvious to all. i just don't see the problem.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
The Lord's book has foretold just this event, promised to occur just as Jesus Christ our savior returns to reign on earth as King of kings.
Or, the way I prefer to think about it: "Last call for fornicating and altar boy fondling! The party ends in five minutes. So satisfy your sinful urges one last time, and start moving towards the door. Oh yeah, and don't forget to step into the confessional on your way out."
He's like a well oiled machine.
I'm sorry, but I just can't get behind that idea.
Let q be a radix > 1. I am in ur base-q, killing 10 d00ds.
I wish people would get over this myth of Linux being a community effort of users putting their minds together. It hasn't been this way since the late 90's. Most Linux development comes from corporations who could care less about GPL or open source. Everybody has their hand in the cookie jar at this point.
This is a BIG WIN for the community: we forced the big players to stop ignoring us. While their input is important, it did not kill the community at all. Even MS feels the need to co-operate and "Embrace, Expand and Extinguish" will not work because we indeed are a community, and one which has the safeguards (the GPL etc...) against "EEE" build in from the start at that.
Then perhaps you could measure source lines of code after running the source code through a tool similar to GNU indent that applies agreed-upon standards for what goes on one line.
Token bullshit so fanbois like you can keep on repeating it.
Hahah. I have this image in my head of Steve Jobs ordering a new division of developers to write OSS tools in order to stir up fanboyism on Slashdot.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Oh man, such a clever and original burn.
Not that I agree with the grandparent post, but Microsoft's hiring process isn't that tough. Outside of the research division and the Visual Studio team, I wasn't really impressed with anyone I met at Microsoft. From a purely technical perspective, the hiring process at Sun and Google was much more difficult and yielded far better results.
The point was that a fanboy like you would make a statement like that. It was nice of you to illustrate it!
Microsoft is the undisputed expert in programming. As a hobby OS, Linus was an OK caretaker, but it took a real programming muscle to grow the Linux into into something worthy.
Next up: MS Linux. It is the logical conclusion.
If I could care less about something, it means I care to some measure already.
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
361 new buffer overflow possibilities, regressions and invalid assumptions.
Or perhaps submarine patent issues?
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
MS developer doesn't have to mean MS. Unless there is official support for working time responsibility.
Irridiculous!
Apple own CUPS which most distros use.
Most Linux development comes from corporations who could care less about GPL or open source.
Technically, if most of the development comes from corporations. They certainly could care less, because they seem to "care" at least a bit to develop for Linux. Perhaps, It doesn't mean what you want it to mean. But doesn't sound completely incoherent in this context.
FOR THOSE USING WINDOWS, they can _also_ run Linux.
If they ran Linux they could host whatever they want. THAT'S why Microsoft did this. VMware Server is free, and it runs on Linux or Windows, and it hosts EVERYTHING.
That's cool. Hyper-V Server is also free, and does not require any OS to run (VMware also has a similar product - ESX). You don't need to run Windows.
Though I find it interesting that you object to running Linux in one proprietary piece of software (Hyper-V), but not the other (VMware). I'd understand your perspective it it was, at least, a matter of FOSS purity - but then you should, at least, argue for KVM or Xen.
This does not enhance Linux nor the experience of anyone who uses it.
It does enhance everyone's Linux experience if there are more Linux machines out there, don't you agree? If some previously Microsoft-only shop can now run e.g. LAMP instances on their Hyper-V servers, that's one more customer software and other companies would consider.
I think maybe I was unclear... so I'll try and repair that.
Hyper-V does require an OS to run...hyper-v. It sucks because it's limited.
VMware's ESXi server also requires an OS... vmware ESXi. It happens this one is based on a linux kernel.
If people want to run Linux, and they choose to run it on Hyper-V their experience is limited. Microsoft has fixed some of their software's shortcomings... but Hyper-v is still limited.
I know you're trying to imply neither product needs an OS. This is not true. Both products are built into an OS. The Linux product (VMware ESXi) does not require 361 Microsoft patches to work.
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Your argument seems to be boiling down to "VMware is just better, therefore no other choices are needed" - though I haven't seen you give any specific reasons why one is better than the other.
I wouldn't be surprised if VMware is a better choice in many cases - if nothing else, it's an older, more mature technology - but have you considered that your judgement on that matter may be subjective, and letting others decide which software, or combination of software, is better for them, is not such an offensive idea?
yeah, i feel the same way about people who use the wrong "its".
Does that include the authors of the US Constitution? Article I, Section 10, Paragraph 2: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html
And yes, the apostrophe is in the original.
This is not a religion. The OP was talking about contributions to Linux. I pointed out MS's contributions are only because their products didn't [and now do] interoperate.
They fixed. That's fine. Consumers choose (that's fine too). The important thing is to remember it's not like MS was building up Linux... they were fixing their bugs.
Hyper-V... VMware... KVM... whatever. I don't worship any of them. HOWEVER, the fixes the OP discussed are because MS had software that didn't work.
Best and good weekend,
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to be fair, we're talking about the scribe and not the founding fathers themselves.
and so, as for Jacob Shallus... well, he didn't have a backspace key but nevertheless, yes, i look back upon him disfavorably.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
Isn't most of the open-source software that Apple uses derived from BSD? If you don't like Apple's use of it, complain to the BSD people to change their license (good luck with that).
So let me get this straight:
Microsoft is BAD for releasing Linux drivers
VMware is GOOD for releasing Linux drivers
It's OK to run Windows from within Linux, but not the other way around?
I fail to see what your argument is.
Does improvements in Hyper-V drivers make Linux better? Yes
Does it benefit those who don't use Hyper-V? Yes, indirectly by increasing the user base, thus providing more incentive for others to release software for Linux.
Does it benefit existing Microsoft customers the most? Yes (but why is that a problem?)
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Or is the commit count the ruler you're using to see who gets to pork the cheerleader?
Darn, And I thought the Founding Fathers launched a preemptive strike against Nazism (grammar and otherwise).
Do you feel the same the same way about people who don't capitalize "I"?
didn't you know that Steve Ballmer is a big fan of K-LOCs and wants to see Microsoft's K-LOC count stay high, even in Linux? lol
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
This has nothing to do with windows, it's drivers for running Linux better in Hyper-V.
Despite what you might think, Hyper-V != Windows.
Unless you're a VMware employee, I fail to see why you'd want to exclude Linux from working in Hyper-V.
You want windows? Go use windows.
You want linux? Use linux.
This I just don't understand. Are you saying that if you have an existing Windows server infrastructure, you should be prevented from using Linux servers when that's more suitable?
Getting approval for putting a Linux server as a guest on your existing virtualized infrastructure (pitch as a virtual appliance if necessary) is usually way easier that getting approval for changing your whole IT infrastructure (changing hypervisor or using two different ones).
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if you're referring to my posts (and even if you're not), i intentionally adopted a mostly-uncapitalized style to reflect my perception that online discussion is a (novel) compromise between formal writing and spoken language. i still usually capitalize proper names only out of respect for others.
apart from this, you may also note that the capitalization of i is anomalous among nominative pronouns. afaik, there is no universally-accepted explanation for this, but i find the explanations put forth* to be either obsolete or personally unacceptable.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_(pronoun)
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
This "approval" you speak of, you mean you have to do all the wrong stuff but someone who doesn't know jack has to approve it when you tell them how to do it right.
I mourn for you, brother.
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Not really, say you run ten services, all virtual in their own instance to minimize downtime and provide redundancy 4 use windows specific programs, the the rest will run on Linux. You use a windows host to make sure nothing freaky happens. Having drivers int the kernel to support any quirks of hyper-V and improve performance is still going to help you, without flooding the server room with physical machines, and without adding substantial maintenance costs. Or say a company is all windows, has some virtualization, but want's to add a service that runs better in Linux. Then it becomes very easy to just install and instance of CentOS or Redhat (depending on management and local expertise) and get the service running. No need for new hardware, the kernel just integrates into what you already have setup. That's the point of the Linux kernel really, to be able to deploy or integrate it wherever you want. There really is meaning to the term office politics. You most often won't get what you want, unless or until you find a way the minimally disrupts the work other people are already doing.
1) Hyper-V has worked fine with Linux hosts for a long time, this is just a code cleanup and bug fix for existing Hyper-V specific drivers in the kernel.
2) VMWare also needs guest drivers to get Linux to run as it should. These are not part of the Linux kernel. VMware releases their drivers separably, but you still need them to make full use of the server.
Microsoft decided it would be easier for their users if they got their drivers included in the kernel. More work for Microsoft and the kernel maintainers, less work for the users.
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Can't help but notice that the rest of Microsoft is just 18 changes, making this guy quite the splitter. Either good for him, or he'd better be careful - company culture and all. Either way, there are people carefully reviewing all his changes, yes?
What about the people who don't respond in horror but just plain damn think the OP wasn't funny?
FC Closer
if youre adding the n't to couldnt, why cant we just keep it the same way?
Should all the people that use the module fully change to Windows instead?
Is this a trick question? Surely you're aware that in order to run Microsoft Hyper-V, you must have Windows 2008 Server as the primary OS under the Hyper-V, and run a Windows desktop to be able to configure the hypervisor. So anyone using the module are already fully Windows; no change needed.
Contrast this with other commercial hypervisors like Xen and VMware, and you'll find that those are far less Windows-centric and lets users embrace both Linux and Windows, and switch either way if they so want.
And then I, as lead (and often only) developer for several FOSS projects, get an email with a question, suggestion or bug report to my personal email. When I reply with "please use the mailing list", people like you, who, to them, "community" means that the lead developer needs to answer their questions directly, complain, get upset, and sometimes get downright rude.
As a lead developer, I want a community to form. This means that I want to give all people in the community a chance to answer your question, not only myself personally.
Shachar
Things that use ASP or .net, or silverlight, or the exhange protocol, or ...
Improve performance vs. having reverse engineered drivers that throw random errors.
Adding one extra virtual machine to an already existing solution is cheaper then hireing or training a guy for a different one and finding, locating and installing software for it. Hell of a lot easier to get it past management as well.
And ya, I work for M$ just because I can think of one instance where one of their specific products could be useful to someone. Really if that's all I needed to do to get a job at M$, that would be a cushy life, let me tell you, far easier than any actual job I've ever had.
With that number, I am surprised they did not make a halo reference.
Getting approval for putting a Linux server as a guest on your existing virtualized infrastructure (pitch as a virtual appliance if necessary) is usually way easier that getting approval for changing your whole IT infrastructure (changing hypervisor or using two different ones).
Linux under Windows is worse than Windows. All those things accomplish is making Linux look bad.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
Saying one thing and meaning it's exact opposite is not an evolution of an "idiom" - it's just idiocy.
Unless you're telling me that in 300 years "4" might actually mean "27" or something along those lines?
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
Re-read what he said. They "could care less" - meaning they care to an extent already.
Now, that's probably not what the fool meant, but the fool wrote the opposite instead. Pity him.
For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
Apparently you don't need to have a good basic working knowledge of English to work for Microsoft.
In the end, sorry, in the USofA the only thing that counts is who has the better lawyers.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
If you're working for almost any large corporation you probably have Windows workstations and the easiest way to manage a large number of them is with Active Directory. They probably also will connect to Windows servers for shared file storage and printing, and they may even use other popular Microsoft products like Exchange and SharePoint.
In this environment Windows is the standard and it is the Linux box which is the outcast and cannot interoperate fully with the rest of the corporate network.
Don't try and spin any FUD here about corporations not using Microsoft either...I have worked for companies like IBM, who is a big time Linux supporter and has equivellent offerings for almost every line of corporate software Microsoft offers. You know what? They were running Windows workstations and had Windows servers for situations where they were simply the better solution.
If you really have any understanding of servers you would know the strengths and weaknesses of both Windows and Linux server implementations and be able to plan accordingly.
The clash of honour calls, to stand when others fall.
"Hi! I noticed you're trying to schedule your kernel processes using a constant time algorithm. Would you like some help with that?"
He does. You don't.
He also got flamed on LKML for it, I saw it the other day. Interestingly, nobody seemed to care who he works for. His coding style seems OK in general. Problem is, he sent 117 patches in the form of 117 emails, *in a single day* thereby denying sufficient time for review and comment. They weren't real happy about that.
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Interoperability for MS is a short term goal..
When IE was new and competing with netscape, they worked to make it interoperable with netscape...
Once netscape was gone, that flew out of the window and they tried to maintain lock-in.
Now that firefox and chrome have become popular, ie is now trying to interoperate again.
The same can be said of msoffice, when they faced serious competition they supported opening wordperfect files and had a relatively open rtf spec, once the competition was overcome they turn the screws of lockin again.
I predict the same will happen with hyper-v if they get the chance... If vmware, xen and kvm fall by the wayside then it wont be long before hyper-v only runs windows, the linux support will stagnate and new versions of hyper-v will come out which aren't compatible with it.
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Actually, current versions of VMware require windows machines for the management infrastructure, it was only older versions (esx 2.x and earlier) which came with a linux client.
This is the reason i stopped using vmware, and migrated all my machines to kvm.
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Interestingly, windows boots a lot faster inside of a vm running on linux than it does on the hative hardware (seriously, give it a try)...
If going the other way round, linux runs somewhat slower inside of a vm running on windows... The performance penalty when running in a vm on linux is much smaller.
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If you RFTA, you'll note that there were a large number of patches due to the staged nature of many coding style cleanups. Functionality wise, the patches submitted were minimal. As to the method of sending in that many patches for that amount of change... pros and cons either way. On the one hand, doing it one patch at a time probably makes it easier to see what is going on and track breakage if it were to occur. On the other hand, there's a large number of patches to apply.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
You forgot the apostrophe in you're.
Even better: If you had a bunch of Windows-dependent apps, you can now add Linux bits piecemeal until everything is Linux, then you can drop their VM server underneath and go Xen or something. Interoperability goes both ways.
That's nothing compared to folks, in my humble opinion Americans due to their accent/pronunciation, substituting 'then' for 'than'. Due to the increase in its use on the net the improper use has spread to non-native English speakers too, and people with English as a second language outnumber native speakers.
One day, once its use outnumbers the correct usage then 'it's game over man' for than (or should part that last sentence read 'than it's game over man' for then).
We will end up with 'greater then' instead of 'greater than', 'it's better then yours' for 'it's better than yours'. Why make it more complicated.
Microsoft is a business. A company. That means it is not an individual with feelings and personal views. When you attack Microsoft for being Microsoft, then what you are really doing is attack the employees that chooses to work there. These people might not be anti-FOSS in any way. They might be really good developers and some of them might. Not all cities have a large free software company that can always hire and people do need to use their skills and pay their bills. When you attack Microsoft in irrational ways, you might end up forcing these competent people away from us instead of inviting them to join our communities. That is a very bad thing. If you promote free software without irrational attacks on Microsoft, then their employees might take their skills to us at some point in time. That would be a very good thing.
That is not to say we shouldn't criticize Microsofts decisions. When they choose to do harmful things to the community, then it should be criticized loudly. But when they contribute to the kernel -- obviously for their own benefit like everyone else -- it is a good thing and the discussions should not be spammed with other issues. The main idea is to provide negative feedback for negative decisions and positive feedback for positive contributions. Perhaps it would be easier for Microsoft to do the right thing if that meant good press. If the price is right, then Microsoft might be willing to change some of the things we don't like about it. And then rational people, both internal and external to Microsoft, will be able to say it's a good thing that Microsoft has started to learn from free software.
In some areas we have far surpassed Microsoft long ago. In other areas, like the desktop, we're rapidly catching up and may soon be as good as Windows and OS X. We need to calm down. Microsoft is not an evil empire. It's just one of our many competitors. Do you see how that changes the message? Fight for free software, not against proprietary software and don't make extremist claims against Microsoft. It helps them and hurts us.
it's server iron side where these patches matter. and if they contributed the patented stuff, they'd have contributed it..
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
is the 343 supposed to be a halo reference?
Than and then are completely different words.
Contrary to what many ill- and semi-literates seem to think, these are not homonyms. We spell them differently for a reason.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I have seen a great number of posts where 'then' has been substituted for 'than'. What really surprises me is the writer is quite clearly of above average intelligence and has managed to side step common grammatical ‘banana skins’. It’s the use by these same people, due to their otherwise very good spelling and grammar, that perpetuates the adoption of this incorrect use in others (esp those who are learning English) as they may have been influenced by what seems to them perfectly good English.
He is not Microsoft, but a Linux guy who works for them, because they pay.
An Alt-Ctrl-Del handler?
Have those companies REPLACED the code contributions of individuals or have companies simply provided MORE code than before?
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
I agree that these emails can get overwhelming, depending on popularity of the project, but a lot of the bigger projects (or the more arrogant dev-teams) can be very hard to contact.
I once found some very obvious bugs in an open source project (ISO8601 time using locale-specific time separators). The fix was just two minor changes in two lines of code. I tried contacting the developers several times over the course of two years and yet the bug remained in there all the time. It was only "fixed" when they did a complete rewrite.
With other projects I could just log into an IRC channel or use a bugtracker, but some Open Source projects make it very difficult to contribute anything as an outsider. If somebody wants to alert the developers to a typo in some translation, you don't want them to have to spend more than a few minutes to do so. If somebody noticed a bug and fixed it too, that person should be able to get that code to the developers without hurdles. If it becomes easier to just fork code than contribute patches, you're on a downward spiral.
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While I agree with you, were you being deliberately ironic in using the word "irregardless" in a subthread introduced by a grammar nazi? "Regardless" or "irrespective" are the words to use, or Thou Shalt Be Disciplined(tm).
Anyway, IRL, when people say "could care less," I often retort, with a wry smile on my face:
"Well, I've had so much of the caring sucked out of me, there's no possibility of me caring any less at all."
I think people get it then, but I'm not really sure.
It gets a laugh, anyway.
BTW, if you want to pet peeve over something try "talking out loud". You know, when someone means to say "thinking out loud".
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A few Apple contributions to open source:
They've released a lot more, but these are the bits that come to mind that I use every day on non-Apple platforms. Perhaps you could list all of the open source contributions by Microsoft that you use on non-Microsoft platforms?
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if you're referring to my posts (and even if you're not), i intentionally adopted a mostly-uncapitalized style to reflect my perception that online discussion is a (novel) compromise between formal writing and spoken language. i still usually capitalize proper names only out of respect for others.
I PREFER TO CAPITALIZE EVERYTHING, JUST TO BE SURE...
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
I ask that anyone contacting me about projects do so via the project's mailing. That list does require you to be subscribed in order to post. The reason for the former is that direct communications with me are, often, antithetic to "community". My projects are so popular that a community can be taken for granted. I also want the list's archives to log such activities.
I agree this makes participating slightly more troublesome, but I think it's fair to ask not to treat me as a private free support venue.
Shachar
Cunt! You'll die by drowning.
maybe you should learn to read, M$ == 361, RH=1000 while independent developers are on 1085 this year.
I couldn't care more, about that.
If you don't know what the comma is for, then it is usually better to leave it out altogether.
But (to continue this digression), I wish some people would get over this fallacy that it is perfectly OK to mangle the language in any way they please, then speciously attempt to justify this by calling it "evolution according to common usage". Obviously, the language can only evolve according to customary usages that change over time, but to use the phrases "couldn't care less" and "could care less" to mean the same thing is plainly nonsensical, and reflects poorly on the writer's cognitive skills.
That's when a fork usually comes about. Cause the original developer has gone incommunicado.
You're a dumb cunt and a shitball.
Windows hypervisor? Really?
I don't want anything MS related in anyway in my Linux kernel: with such low-level kernel stuff dealing with hypervisor etc. I wouldn't be surprised if that dev did introduce gigantic security hole in a true MS fashion.
Can I recompile the Linux kernel without incorporating this MS hypervisor bloat?
but seriously, the "could care less" form is the more common version now, for good or ill. should it matter if each user doesn't think it through?
No, it doesn't matter. Up is down and down is up.
I wish I was joking about this, but the support for open source software that is freely provided is typically better than that provided by vendors of enterprise software. Not just "better because it's free", but actually better.
With major open source projects (like Subversion, Tortoise, Wordpress, CakePHP), I've never had a bug that wasn't resolved within a few hours. You hit a forum or Stack Overflow or whatever, post a question, and you have responses within hours. Often it's that I've missed something, or there's some workaround that someone else has discovered, but either way, the problem gets solved.
What else would Microsoft be adding?
If you don't know what the comma is for, then it is usually better to leave it out altogether.
But (to continue this digression), I wish some people would get over this fallacy that it is perfectly OK to mangle the language in any way they please, then speciously attempt to justify this by calling it "evolution according to common usage". Obviously, the language can only evolve according to customary usages that change over time, but to use the phrases "couldn't care less" and "could care less" to mean the same thing is plainly nonsensical, and reflects poorly on the writer's cognitive skills.
Is that why you abused the comma at least twice in your reply?
Fortunately, while punctuational pedantry is alive and well, the English language is fairly robust against the incorrect use of punctuation. However, I agree that interchanging "couldn't care less" and "could care less", a grammar mistake that completely changes the meaning of the phrase, is a horrible abuse of the language.
You're comparing Oxford vs Yale and Harvard. Regardless of which top computing company has the toughest hiring requirements, none of them are easy enough to allow the average bumbling idiot in (those that would make the mistakes described in the post you are referring to).
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To answer your question, no it probably does not matter as far as the end product goes. However, the original poster on this thread, though marked as troll, did have some basis for his tirade in that many people (still) see linux as an OS primarily developed by individuals/hackers/computer geeks and that is/has been generally been viewed as "cool" or a good thing. But as is apparent, much of the code these days is directly or indirectly corporate sponsored. Is this bad? Well some people may think so and they may even be right to think this could have a long term negative effect on the OS. The truth probably is somewhere in between as it is certainly helpful to have more people fixing bugs, improving performance and (hopefully) increasing hardware compatability. But never discount that those same corps. may have their own agenda which is divergent from the perceived "linux agenda".
Er.. no. Just because he is asking you to communicate through an approved "channel" does not mean he will not see it or perhaps respond to it. It is unrealistic to expect the lead on any project beyond the very small to respond to your direct mailings.
Also you and others seem not to understand that mailing lists/forums/etc developed for this purpose provide a repository available to all the developers (and users) and serves as a primary source audit trail. There is no accidental deletion, missorting or otherwise misplacing/deletion of your message. Depending on the sophistication of the project it can also allow direct assignment of the problem/bug/suggestion to the appropriate individual/team, for instance the use of bugzilla on the various mozilla projects.
No, don't be silly. "4" will eventually mean "5". Here, let me show you. We all know that 2+2=4. But, with inflation, everything is going up over time, so if we merely assume large values of 2, we will get 2+2=5. QED.
... and can't.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
It's *always* better to have an archived email list or online support forum instead of one-to-one emails. It's a matter of leveraging your time. The same questions ("Will it work better if I plug it in?") are going to be asked over and over. Why reply to them over and over?
Also: IRC is the best venue for hand-holding support, not necessarily provided by a project's lead developer or necessarily by a developer at all. Sometimes a user is better able to steer a fellow user in the right direction, and IRC is great for this.
freenode and oftc are both great places to host your support channels.
And for users who expect free software developers to drop everything they're doing and provide instant, free, one-on-one tech support... suck my hairy white [Republican]. That is TOTALLY out of line. Don't even ask.
Dear David Wheeler,
you're blogging about and linking to an LWN article that will not be viewable without a paid LWN subscription for another while. Given that you are apparently a subscriber to LWN, please, use the SubscriberLink feature to allow non-subscribers to view the article as well.
Pay-walled gardens suck, even when they're centered on Linux. We all recognize that LWN has a need to survive and fund its operations, but do keep in mind that this sort of situation is exactly why the SubscriberLink feature exists in the first place.
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Unless "I could care less" is meant in a sarcastic tone. Sorry if everything in life isn't in line with some rigid formula or rule.
Hopefully, we're all over this now. Could we just put this all behind us and continue to bash the rest of the huge decline in literacy amongst modern youth?
do() || do_not();
I have seen a great number of posts where 'then' has been substituted for 'than'. What really surprises me is the writer is quite clearly of above average intelligence...
There are also a lot of idiots doing it too.
Hopefully unrelated, recall that just a couple of days ago someone substituted "women" for "woman" in the title of a Slashdot article submission. As I read down the comments to see how quickly someone would call it, I saw plenty of other phonetic substitutions, spelling and grammar problems in the posts that follow. Yet, nobody seemed to take note (or I suppose mention) the error in the title.
I used to think "at least the members of Slashdot will continue to be functionally literate, even if the rest of the web goes to shit." Unfortunately, in the last couple of years I've discovered I was wrong.
do() || do_not();
i personally agree with you.
microsoft's strategy to use software patents to eliminate linux and throw linux programmers in jail and/or bankruptcy is, well, i mean, we should be happy about that.
we deserve it.
we are slime. we are filth.
please sir, may we have another?
Apparently you're a troll that cant' address issues of substance. BTW, I can post anonymously too.
It's not a trick question. If people want the Linux module is because they are running Linux.
If they can't run Linux in a usefull way in their environment they will either stop using Linux or change their environment. But remember that those people are running Windows as a host OS, they aren't in there for technical reasons.
Rethinking email
Looks like he was recently a Novell employee (if not still)
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Since I deal mainly with Linux servers (Red Hat) VMware has been more and more of a headache for me because of this dependence on Windows. Plus having our VMware stuff locked down also causes headaches. But I need test Linux VMs. Lately I'm using kvm A LOT and I really love it. It completely rocks.
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You know Apple owns Microsoft, and just keep them around as a separate entity to keep antitrust lawsuits at bay.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means...
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I wish people would get over this myth that just because a lot of people say something and think they know what it means that it makes sense.
It doesn't. It's a sign that the speaker is stupid. Insisting that it's OK is a sign that the speaker is meta-stupid.
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No, with inflation 2+2=4 becomes 2.5+2.5=5 .
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"This I just don't understand. Are you saying that if you have an existing Windows server infrastructure, you should be prevented from using Linux servers when that's more suitable?"
I do understand it. He is saying it doesn't benefit anyone except those who want to run Linux under Hyper-V on Windows. It does not improve the Linux kernel in any other way.
It also seems that he doesn't care about people who want to use Windows. Go use it. It doesn't benefit him that you can run Linux on Hyper-V. Frankly, I don't give a fuck either. I'm neither for, nor against it, as long as my compiler doesn't have to touch those code paths.
This certainly doesn't impress me. (Microsoft's "contributions" to the Linux kernel). People on the kernel mailing list who may or may not even contribute one line of code, may contribute more to the Linux kernel than this, in helping to get problems fixed. For example, the guy who does a git bisect to track down a commit that broke something is to be commended more than this. What he does may benefit all users.
Using statistics inappropriately is dishonesty.
Obviously it isn't a good thing to have anyone who works for Microsoft (and most people who worked for Novell) touching Linux. They are on the wrong side and can't be trusted
I get a bit sick and tired of the undercover Microsofties on Slashdot pretending that they love Linux while defending every trick and tactic deployed by Microsoft to undermine it.
Ugh.Seriously I just have to say this to ALL grammar nazis...WTF people? Could you not understand what the man said? Is the post he placed so God damned important the Ruskies will launch if the text isn't correct? no? Then WTF!
Get ready to shit thyselves and get thy panties in a twist because "could care less" is probably used by a good 60% of the population, most of whom couldn't give a flying fuck about grammar crap! I mean Jesus Christ we're in the first generations of the kids that grew up texting so just be damned glad it isn't a whole stream of "BRB WTFOMGBBQ!" style bullshit, okay?
There ain't no damned reason to get your panties in a wad over a meaningless post on a fricking forum, and yes ain't is a word and if you don't like we southerners say go piss up a rope, especially when the whole damned thing has fuck all to do with TFA! If this were an article about spelling bees or English grammar between countries? Then I could see it. But TFA is at over 20+ posts now of nothing but panty twisted grammar nazis! Give it a fricking rest people!
Now as for TFA this is yet another example of why I think the GPL needs to be changed to have a "free for non commercial use" clause in it, although I have a feeling it may be too late. The original idea may have been an "OS of the people" but now just a handful of megacorps pretty much control the whole smash. I would also argue this is why desktop Linux has to deal with lack of a hardware driver ABI, because Red Hat and MSFT and the other corps don't really need one for servers as the hardware almost never changes and they have admins that can recompile, so if it doesn't affect them why should they care?
But sadly I think the time to do any meaningful changes to the GPL has already passed. Why is that? One word: TiVo. TiVo showed the megacorps that with GPL V2 they can get all the hard work of the community for nothing and can then turn it proprietary ANY time they desire, simply by adding code signing or eFuses. This is why corps like Google won't allow any GPL V3 code anywhere near anything they are working on as it would take away their option to lock up the code later.
As it is now MSFT sure as hell isn't paying a developer to make Linux a better desktop, RH doesn't care as servers are where their bread is buttered, and Canonical doesn't give squat back to the community. So who does that leave? A bunch of broke ass coders trying to work on FOSS on the weekends while keeping a roof over their heads with a 9 to 5 and it just ain't right. If all these coders whose work is being used by these megacorps actually got a few bucks kicked their way imagine how quickly the code would improve with so many guys working full time on it?
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Who would'a thunk it.
something smelled in the latest kernel
inviting MSFT to a software conference is like inviting a pedophile to a day-care center...
Irrediculous!
My spoon is too big.
comulent
Nope, cromulent. :)
Just because the U.S. is a republic does not mean it is not a democracy. Democracy/republic are not mutually exclusive.
Right, let's just throw away the basic meanings of some of the simplest words in our language. Everything should be taken to mean the opposite of what is actually said, because that makes perfect sense. Thanks for your time in so clearly and concisely explaining how apparently wrong I am in being correct. Hey, I guess you're right, things can mean the opposite of their stated denotations.
I've only heard Americans say "could care less", before, and it may come as a shock to many of them, but they aren't the only nation that speaks "English". Funny word, that, "English". Wonder who speaks that language...
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
No thanks! There is a very good reason why I run Linux in the first place.
Now that Red Hat sells support for KVM with RHEL 6, it's what I will be going to too. Earlier Red Hat had Citrix Xen, which is really good, but has started lagging a bit behind, kernel-wise, so I understand the switch.
And the lagging behind is what I fear may happen with Hyper-X too -- with only the vendor supporting it, and no strong community base that keeps the drivers up to date, it's a real risk that they won't be updated often enough, just like Xen.
Is this a trick question? Surely you're aware that in order to run Microsoft Hyper-V, you must have Windows 2008 Server as the primary OS under the Hyper-V, and run a Windows desktop to be able to configure the hypervisor.
Or, be willing to visit a website and download Hyper-V Server for free. No Windows necessary. It uses Windows Server 2008 Core to host the hypervisor, but they give it to you for free. Same as ESX, really.
So anyone using the module are already fully Windows; no change needed.
Contrast this with other commercial hypervisors like Xen and VMware, and you'll find that those are far less Windows-centric and lets users embrace both Linux and Windows, and switch either way if they so want.
I think you'll find that's not correct at all. And VMware sucks by the way. vSphere Administrator seems to be Windows only (we use vSphere here) and just outright sucks. We can't even find out what server our VMs are running on (VMware figures you don't need to know, thanks to live migration).
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
That said, Windows seems to boot faster in a VM inside of Windows too. This is not so strange, the virtual hardware is probably a lot easier to detect and find drivers for than the full machine. I'm pretty sure that most programs run (slightly) slower after boot.
Seconded. And another geek/developer visited recently and noticed the same thing with no prompting. WinXP boots like the wind in Virtual Box....but not so great on identical hardware "native". Though I suppose it's not identical -- VB only shows a windows XP instance a nicely optimized fixed set of hardware, nothing for windows to search for new hardware on, unless you explicitly add something from a VB menu. I think this might be due to a difference in philosophies in setting up hardware in the first place. With say, Ubutntu 10.04, if it's there during install, it's nothing, it just works, but adding it later is a pain (not much, but some). Windows seems to check the entire universe at the drop of a hat (or any boot). That has to take time, and there's just nothing much to check in a simple virtual machine.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Unless that is an acronym for can't understand normal thinking, I suggest you not use it. It only makes you appear stupid.
Extinguish.
Did I say throw away the meaning? Show me where I said that. What I said was there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in having over 20 damned posts just rehashing that same damned grammar correction!
So you explain to me how EXACTLY having over 20 damned posts needlessly nitpicking over three fucking words helps anyone, or the flow of discussion, or anything at all? There are so damned many anal retentive asshole grammar nazis here now that the second one picks up on any mistake you might as well just change the rest of the thread to "LOL I farted!" because for all intents and purposes ( I was tempted to write all intensive purposes just to watch them trip over themselves correcting it, but they are still busy with wafting around the "Could /couldn't" fart last I checked) the discussion is OVER. That's it, nothing but 50 posts of "LOL I farted!".
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
More codes means mode bugs...
No doubt you think developers should be paid according to the number of lines of code they write? The more the better?
If you evaluate a developers productivity or usefulness merely by the number of commits (which is closer to what is being talked about here) then you are going to be in for a rude surprise if you ever got to manage anything.
I like "grammar nazi'ism" almost as much as I like "pendants". "Could care less" used to irritate me but now I just see it as the same sort of thing.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
Statics can prove anything,
BS
But I think the guy went for it.
I wish people would get over this myth of Linux being a community effort of users putting their minds together. (Score:1, Interesting)
I wish people would get over this myth that "could care less" means that you couldn't care less.(Score:4, Informative)
I wish people would get over the myth that mod points should be spent more on grammar nazi'ism than the topic at hand.(Score:1, Offtopic)
Slashdot, you have made my day.
Valid. Invalid.
Flammable. Inflammable.
Deal with it.
Bad? Good?
Microsoft company.
Google company.
Linux mix of communities, organizations and companies.
It's not exactly an easy comparison to make. Apples with fruit salad.
I am not devoid of humor.
And then I, as lead (and often only) developer for several FOSS projects, get an email with a question, suggestion or bug report to my personal email. When I reply with "please use the mailing list", people like you, who, to them, "community" means that the lead developer needs to answer their questions directly, complain, get upset, and sometimes get downright rude.
As a lead developer, I want a community to form. This means that I want to give all people in the community a chance to answer your question, not only myself personally.
Shachar
If I were careless and thoughtless about it, it would create the situation you bemoan. Hint: I don't e-mail project leads for technical support. I don't do that because I'm not an asshole.
I use support forums for support. Do you see how my post never said "e-mail" anywhere and instead used the much more generic word "communicate"? Well, I'm not careless with my diction and that was worded deliberately. Most of my direct communication with developers and project leads was initiated by their response to a forum or mailing list post of mine.
You could have asked "hey with no evidence from you, I took it upon myself to assume that when you said 'communicate' you meant you e-mailed them personally, is that correct?". Instead you noticed that, among other interpretations, it could be interpreted in terms of your pet peeve. So, full of righteous indignation, you ran with it. Much good discussion is ruined this way.
I'd rather people take a breath once in a while and ask themselves if their assumptions have any grounds whatsoever before they tell someone what "people like you" do and how annoying it is. I like that better than following every post with a long list of disclaimers that reactive people who wish to jump to conclusions will ignore anyway.
The point was, you can post in a Windows-related forum and you aren't going to see Ballmer chiming in. He may occasionally do that for million-dollar customers, but he hasn't the time for little people like me.
The few times I have dealt with developers, it was welcome by them and by me. It is unfortunate that you have had negative experiences but you paint with a rather broad brush.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
By that I meant when I want to make a donation, which is also a way to say thank you, but again not a support request. I wasn't going to mention the donation part but I see now that's the way to clarify this.
The bottom line is, I do something like that because it is my delight to give something back despite my modest means, not so I can impress anyone with "how generous I am" as though I do so for any reason except that I want to, so for that reason I can see how that one line was ambiguous. Still I think you're a bit frustrated and this has made you somewhat trigger-happy. In a way I can understand that. Dealing with the general public sucks and will remind you in a very in-your-face manner that the world is full of thoughtless, inconsiderate people.
I assure you, my spirit of gratitude and appreciation towards Open Source participants is not compatible with needlessly bothering them. That isn't how I show appreciation.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
There goes my estimation of LINUX. MS has to have the worst coders in the world. Frankly if I was LINUX I would do a back ground on any contributers and reject anything that even had a fient whiff of MS.