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FBI Executes Nationwide Raid of Anonymous Members

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Nominei and suraj.sun write in with news about a nationwide raid of Anonymous members. CBS reports that raids occurred in California, New Jersey, Florida, and New York. At least 12 arrests were made with 15 warrants executed. Surely this has nothing at all to do with their recent infiltration of a certain company.

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  1. How about no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely this has nothing at all to do with their recent infiltration of a certain company.

    I doubt there was 12 hackers working on it or that they would had busted them all within 24 hours. How about it's all the other bullshit "Anonymous" has been causing within one year, like the countless amount of DDoS against various companies and governments.

  2. Couldn't have waited? by gubers33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until they released all the News Corp. information and emails? Seems like someone might be a little worried that they are in the bribe list.

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    1. Re:Couldn't have waited? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would be surprised if these raids stopped that release. In fact I'll bet most of these guys raided are just dumb script kiddies who front in IRC, or ordinary people who have helped with LOIC and similar ops, and/or people who have had their systems compromised are being used a proxies/bots by real Anon/Lulz people.

      That they are even tangentially related gives the feds an opportunity to make big headlines about raids to show that they are 'doing something' (TM) and they aren't incompetent and/or impotent by skill or distance/jurisdiction respectively.

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    2. Re:Couldn't have waited? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2

      They only got 12 people. I'm sure there's people who can still release it.

      They're probably going to come down on the FBI next.

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    3. Re:Couldn't have waited? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bingo!

      Dumb little fake anarchist kiddies that wear trenchcoats... I wanna be a part of the revolution... Ohh I can download this app and be a part of it! SCHWEET!!!!

      Thanks for installing trojan-zombie 3.42r7 Dimitri in Slanovia now uses your computer.

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    4. Re:Couldn't have waited? by Riceballsan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *some guys getting tracked down*, knowing history of anon my money would say the people caught are more likely then not just idiots that booted up LOIC, odds are the ones that did any actual skilled work and actually captured any information on any group, are unidentified. That is always how anon has worked, throw out a huge mob of random people to the front lines, handful of actual skilled people sneak in the back door. The random mob is expendable, and yes there will be more of them when they get picked off.

    5. Re:Couldn't have waited? by jshackney · · Score: 2

      I have a feeling the FBI would not actively discourage this, particularly when a honeypot is so tasty.

    6. Re:Couldn't have waited? by tsotha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe so, but just like low-level drug gang soldiers, these people are going to be very, very helpful as they contemplate long prison sentences. Eventually the trail will lead to the people who matter. Most people don't realize it, but financial and computer crimes carry pretty hefty penalties. Some of these people are thinking "Oh, hacking ${evil_corporation_or_government_organization} sounds like fun. Even if I get caught, they'll probably give me probation." Yeah... probation after you finish your 20 year sentence. If you were going to risk this kind of time you would have been better off robbing a bank.

    7. Re:Couldn't have waited? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, they'll finger someone; because sometime soon, there will be a paper handed to them, across a desk in a dark room, and it'll have names on it, of people and aliases of those who this particular individual may or may not have interacted with... But it won't matter. The truth never does, during a witch hunt. A lawyer will urge his client to sign it; because it's either a slap of the hand, or utter ruination of your life when you deal with these sort of folk, and the men with guns who act in their stead.

    8. Re:Couldn't have waited? by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Reading your comment here, it is clear that you haven't wasted the time to research the philosophy / structure of the anonymous group. Which is a perfectly fine way to go about your life. You haven't missed out on much.

      But to clarify the expected result of this raid, I thought it might be valuable for those unfamiliar with Anonymous to know that the group is entirely anonymous, even among members. The people who were captured would probably love to roll on others in order to avoid jail time. That is not a choice for them, however. This makes it an attractive mob to manipulate.

      The feds will relish a day or two capturing headlines, pretending that "something" has been done to curtail these nefarious hackers. It's exactly as theatrical as the war on terror. At most they'll charge these individuals with possession of child pornography, as their browser cache is undoubtedly filled with thumbnails of illegal content inadvertently picked up while trawling 4chan. It's quite doubtful the FBI has captured anyone of significance.

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  3. What about the script kiddies. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to wonder just how many people are going to have to be arrested until the grunts get the picture and bail.
    Anon "We are a Hydra chop off a head and two grows back" == You are expendable. Grunts are cheap and made by unskilled labor.
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    1. Re:What about the script kiddies. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How many people executed did it take before the various resistance movements in the Second World War gave up? Why are there still dissidents in China, Cuba, Iran, etc. when they keep being imprisoned?

      If you really believe in a cause it doesn't matter how many "examples" are made, in fact as Syria is finding out, the more "examples" you make the more martyrs the people have to avenge.

      While the stakes of Anon as a political movement are not as high as the suppression of dissidents in totalitarian states, Anon has become undeniably a political movement, and there are idealists willing to sacrifice themselves for political ends born every minute. Let me tell you something as a former young idealist: it isn't real until it happens to you. You imagine that the purity of your principles makes you invincible until the establishment turns its gaze on you and actually does something.

      However once an idea gains enough momentum and there enough people involved, actually acting against them becomes politically more difficult in Western democracies generally. At a certain threshold law breaking becomes civil disobedience, and if you end up fighting masses of people in the streets you've already lost. It will be only a few election cycles before those chickens come home to roost.

      I'm not saying this is necessarily going to happen, but I do challenge your interpretation of the situation as overly simplistic and in denial of historical scenarios of similar sociological pressures.

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    2. Re:What about the script kiddies. by Omnifarious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet, thousands die in wars all the time. All the grunts there know they're expendable too.

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    3. Re:What about the script kiddies. by Shark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A slap on the wrist and a few weeks jail time can mean you don't get a lot of jobs.

      In the current US economy, I think this is becoming increasingly moot. You don't get a lot of jobs regardless.

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    4. Re:What about the script kiddies. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are making the fundamental mistake of assuming that bored teenage fashionista script kiddies represent, or are even able to meaningfully describe any sort of "cause" other than "it's cool to be part of a group that causes some shit to happen that makes it on the news."

      There's no there there. It's not a political movement, except for the possibility of the idiots who have been arrested being classical "useful idiots" in the service of someone else who has preyed upon their boring existence and broadband connection to use them as weak-willed meatbots who make the mistake of thinking they're being cool. You are way over analyzing things. It really is for the lulz, as it turns out. These are just your basic punks. Vandals who think they're impacting The Man, or at least say so, because that babelicious Goth girl in their algebra class seems to nod her head when she hears tales of angsty rebellion from nerds using Mom's FiOS pipe as meat puppets for lefty activists.

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    5. Re:What about the script kiddies. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you look at the targets like Arizona law enforcement, and the reasons including specifically retribution for Arizona Senate Bill 1070, and say it's not a political movement, I have to question the rationale of your perspective. Just because you don't like it or don't agree with it and want to malign or dismiss those who are part of it does not negate objective facts about acts and actors.

      Political Targets + Political Reasons = Political Movement, like it or not.

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    6. Re:What about the script kiddies. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 2

      Wow, and you accuse me of making bad analogies? The mafia was and is founded on loyalty. The early mafia was virtually impenetrable for this very reason, and it wasn't just the dons and the capos and soldati, it was the communities they operated in. Whether you're talking about the depressed, corrupt, and unstable home country that was Italy and Sicily at the turn of the century through beginning of the Cold War, or the socially outcast Italian and Sicilian immigrant communities in the US during the same period, persons not operationally within the mafia still felt some ties of loyalty, whether out of fear or common culture or the perception of an effective extrajudicial actor/arbiter (the early mafia was in many cases where people in the community would take disputes because they trusted them to settle things either more fairly than the government or in their favor if they had demonstrated their loyalty over time in some way).

      The mafia began to fall apart when it lost the respect of the community, both through its own internal corruption of standards that had previously kept it in balance as well as the evolution of the community it served and the environment that community experienced, namely conditions improved for both Italians in Italy (the government became relatively more stable and less corrupt, and more importantly the economy improved) and Italian immigrants in the US (Italian immigrants became more assimilated in American society, came to trust the American justice system more, and were more accepted by mainstream American society, etc.).

      I swear being a historian is hard work... so much stupid, so little time and less patience.

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    7. Re:What about the script kiddies. by mywhitewolf · · Score: 2
      You could say the same about the riots in Egypt?

      just because you don't think their message is significant (information wants to be free, internet is for lulz, corruption is bad) doesn't give you the authority to define their actions as non-political, hell, you could successfully argue that the KKK were a political movement.

      i think you're just over-simplifying what politics IS.

      corrisive flailing about in order to avoid having to actually think, act, or (especially) produce anything.

      and yet are able to out wit "security professionals", "government agencies" & "corrupt regimes".... for FREE.

  4. Meanwhile, In America... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

    Having solved all other problems, FBI agents today busted down the doors of supersized geeks with cheeto-stained fingers living in their mother's basements. A spokesperson said "these 'hacker' types represent the single biggest threat to the american way of life, and must be stopped." Elsewhere in America infrastructure continued to crumble into dust, fall into rivers, or start on fire as unemployment continues to rise, many urban centers are now 3rd world status, and white-collar criminals are seen driving cars made out of hundred dollar bills and dead immigrants. The FBI insists that random vandalism of websites is a far worthier objective for them than catching terrorists, rich bastards who steal millions from retirement funds, and the occasional rapist.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by flaming+error · · Score: 2

      To be fair, cars made of hundred dollar bills fall under the jurisdiction of the Treasury dept.

    2. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by Kenja · · Score: 2

      I would rather they enforce the laws I dont agree with in the hopes that doing so will draw attention to them and promote change then to have the law enforcement officials decide which laws they should and should not enforce.

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    3. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by flaming+error · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, they can also investigate DVD licensing violations and track the cars of unsuspecting college kids. Multitasking FTW.

    4. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 5, Funny

      I remember when white-collar criminals still shared a sense of national identity. A true patriot would drive a car made out of hundred dollar bills and middle-class American taxpayers.

    5. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The laws, however, are subject to the highest bidder....

    6. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by flaming+error · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > You get what you vote for.
      I wish that were true but sadly, I seem to keep getting what politicians' campaign sponsors want instead.

    7. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I once heard a single FBI agent could listen to 7000 wiretaps of innocent civilians at the same time.

      She must have a serious headache.

    8. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Not really, they are required to spit out gum before a raid.

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    9. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by FoolishOwl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I keep voting for the candidates who promise not to murder any innocent people. They don't seem to win the elections, though -- not above the municipal level, anyway.

    10. Re:Meanwhile, In America... by macraig · · Score: 2

      That's a moronic refrain, and you're a jackass for repeating it. The real truth of the matter is that we get what we DON'T vote for... meaning it's the intentions and behavior of which we AREN'T told before the election that we actually get in the end.

      The problem, of course, is that we have virtually no useful criteria whatsoever to identify the unethical self-interested bastards before they take office. Even mr1911, who smugly implies that he's never ever voted for a rotten candidate himself, has no freaking clue how to consistently pick the ethical winners.

  5. No, Nothing To Do With The Sun by cmholm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anonymous has been hacking into enough of the right kind of computers that it was a given they were going to get Federal attention. It takes a while to pull together a coordinated series of raids, so it's extremely unlikely the Sun (newspaper) exploit had any bearing on these arrests.

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  6. word! by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    did anyone NOT see this coming?

    1. Re:word! by Ruke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really don't think so. Love 'em, hate 'em, whatever, but no one was kidding themselves into thinking that the feds wouldn't be tracking Anonymous/LulzSec down.

    2. Re:word! by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      I heard some tinfoil hat types suggesting that lulzsec was actually fascist law enforcement types providing cover for legislation giving them more power to combat "cyberterrorism". They might be temporarily surprised, though they'll quickly rationalize that law enforcement just needed some fall guys.

    3. Re:word! by McFortner · · Score: 2

      Karma is a real bitch sometimes.

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    4. Re:word! by gnick · · Score: 2

      I think going tin foil and yelling "Black Flag!" is going overboard, but you can bet that the feds had (have) members at core levels. Probably a mix of traditional undercover and turn-coats taken in unannounced arrests. I'm sure the same can be said about most widespread underground groups that give the feds the heebie-jeebies. And, frankly, I don't really have a problem with that.

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    5. Re:word! by NevarMore · · Score: 2

      I heard some tinfoil hat types suggesting that lulzsec was actually fascist law enforcement types providing cover for legislation giving them more power to combat "cyberterrorism". They might be temporarily surprised, though they'll quickly rationalize that law enforcement just needed some fall guys.

      Its not that far out there given recent events at the ATF and DoJ: http://news.google.com/news/search?&q=fast+furious+atf

    6. Re:word! by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that you can't bet on it. You can never disprove these conspiracy theories and they're rarely proven. What makes you so sure the feds are at the "core" levels? They're probably on 4chan, undoubtedly were following lulzsec on twitter (they had a twitter feed going, right?), and maybe listening in on IRC, and maybe that constitutes "the core," but whether they've turned any of the real brains behind it? No idea how likely that is.

    7. Re:word! by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 3, Funny

      did anyone NOT see this coming?

      I can think of 12 people who didn't...

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  7. Translation from Law Speak by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anonymous member = IRC server owner who may not have anything to do with Anonymous

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    1. Re:Translation from Law Speak by rsmith-mac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some people may find this strange, but society generally doesn't like it if you harbor criminals. Hopefully the FBI has the brains to realize the IRC owners are not always the hackers, but that doesn't mean that the IRC owners are in the clear.

  8. Re:Here we go! by airfoobar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you kidding? This is PROOF that current laws are more than enough for law enforcement to track down and arrest hackers.

  9. One problem with TFA by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "..Fox News was reporting.." I would disregard that portion of the article pending a reliable source of information.

                   

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    1. Re:One problem with TFA by EasyTarget · · Score: 4, Funny

      'reporting' is probably too strong a word here; they probably just heard it in a FBI agents voice mail.

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  10. Re:Here we go! by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 2

    You think the government and its agencies will see it that way? I wish I had your kind of optimism.

  11. Re:Nationwide crackdown of 12? by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 2

    You don't get it either. There are orders of magnitude more Anonymous members. Arresting 12 is not "a nationwide crackdown", it's a f*cking joke.

  12. Re:Nationwide crackdown of 12? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    I think what the OP and you don't get is the definition of "nationwide". It means across a nation which is true in this case. Now you've associated to mean "large in scope or scale" which isn't the exact meaning.

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  13. Re:Here we go! by chaboud · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "One day I will have your kind of optimism. Hey! That's today!"

    You can start and finish down that road all at once.

  14. Re:Nationwide crackdown of 12? by omarius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Eeh, typical Newsie hyperbole. I heard an NPR story this morning about Somali kids from Minneapolis going off to join Al-Shabab that described them as "leaving in droves," then went off to say there were 24 of them. I thought to myself, "That is one drove, max."

  15. Re:Nationwide crackdown of 12? by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's what I was thinking.

    Ok, ok. I confess - I'm part of Anonymous and I'm willing to cut a deal. I'll roll over on everyone. You know those pseudonyms in the IRC channel you've been monitoring and caught me in? That's the rest of them... *sob*

    Very effective.

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  16. Re:Nationwide crackdown of 12? by mooingyak · · Score: 2

    "leaving in droves," then went off to say there were 24 of them. I thought to myself, "That is one drove, max."

    I could see a case for 2 droves here.

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  17. You can't fight conspiracy theories. by the_raptor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Conspiracy theorists are impossible to argue with. No matter what evidence you show to the kooks they will just rationalise it away. Conspiracy theory derives from an inability to accept the chaotic nature of reality, that "random" events outside the control of any central power can utterly destroy someone's life. The belief in conspiracy theory is a belief that SOMETHING is actually in control: THE GOVERNMENT!

    And if THE GOVERNMENT could just have its secrets revealed, or if it was destroyed, then all would be right with the world and peace and justice would reign.

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    1. Re:You can't fight conspiracy theories. by causality · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Conspiracy theorists are impossible to argue with. No matter what evidence you show to the kooks they will just rationalise it away. Conspiracy theory derives from an inability to accept the chaotic nature of reality, that "random" events outside the control of any central power can utterly destroy someone's life. The belief in conspiracy theory is a belief that SOMETHING is actually in control: THE GOVERNMENT!

      And if THE GOVERNMENT could just have its secrets revealed, or if it was destroyed, then all would be right with the world and peace and justice would reign.

      The problem with all of this, what fuels the conspiracy theories, is that false-flag operations really do happen. The various governments destroy their own credibility by engaging in such things.

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    2. Re:You can't fight conspiracy theories. by drooling-dog · · Score: 2

      Conspiracy theorists are impossible to argue with. No matter what evidence you show to the kooks they will just rationalise it away

      You might say the same thing about people who make the blanket assumption that governments, corporations, and other organizations are all completely open and transparent, only operating in the light of day, and completely without hidden agendas of any kind. But that seems at least as idiotic, doesn't it? Maybe even more so, since it requires nothing but blind trust and not the minimal considerations of motivation and plausible strategy that even the kookiest conspiracy theorist has to ponder.

      Sure, there are kooky conspiracy theories advanced by the kookiest of kooky kooks. But history is littered with known false-flag-type operations, and it's foolish to assume that it never happens when the potential payoff is potentially so large (particularly when wars are being started).

    3. Re:You can't fight conspiracy theories. by dcollins · · Score: 2

      "governments (at least the USA) is really bad at keeping secrets"

      I would love to know how anyone (conspiracy theorist or non-conspiracy theorist) thinks they can evaluate this one way or another. I'd love to estimate the odds of government leaking a given secret, O=f/g (f the number of secrets leaked, g the number of secrets kept). We can reliably count f. But the idea that we can count g is self-contradictory.

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    4. Re:You can't fight conspiracy theories. by guanxi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Conspiracy theorists are impossible to argue with. No matter what evidence you show to the kooks they will just rationalise it away. Conspiracy theory derives from an inability to accept the chaotic nature of reality, that "random" events outside the control of any central power can utterly destroy someone's life. The belief in conspiracy theory is a belief that SOMETHING is actually in control: THE GOVERNMENT!

      And if THE GOVERNMENT could just have its secrets revealed, or if it was destroyed, then all would be right with the world and peace and justice would reign.

      In fairness, it's not just theory. There is ample evidence that News Corp conspired with Scotland Yard. It's not inconceivable that the FBI has a similar relationship with them, but there would need to be evidence.

    5. Re:You can't fight conspiracy theories. by walshy007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hemingway in his later days was generally considered a conspiracy theorist, believing the fbi was tracking and bugging him everywhere.

      It took 70 years for it to be discovered he was actually right.

      While I'm sure there are exponentially more false claims of conspiracy than legitimate ones, people who sound paranoid can be completely right sometimes. When governments can successfully keep it secret until enough generations have passed for all involved to be dead, it demonstrates the capability of easily destroying peoples lives and credibility (at the very least for the duration of their life).

    6. Re:You can't fight conspiracy theories. by Xest · · Score: 2

      Whilst I'm not agreeing with that theory per-se, I think the timing of Anonymous arrests have been very convenient. The problem is the people being arrested are almost certainly people who used LOIC without masking their IP at all.

      I do think it's a little odd that each time a country has a big story relating to law enforcement the day before, the next day we get a story of "xx anonymous members arrested!"- last time it was SOCA, this time it's the whole NoW deal. Turkish police similarly did the same thing the day after they saw embarassing press.

      I don't think it's unrealistic that law enforcement has kept a list of the IPs of LOIC users, and track down names relating to them, and is treating them like currency "Oh well, let's just spend 16 anonymous arrests to see if we can make us look a bit more competent after yesterdays bad press".

      This coupled with some of the UK press most implicated in the whole situation- the Murdoch's papers like The Sun and The Times for example, but also other papers almost certainly guilty due to the IPCC report implicating them and the fact they've been so defensive of old Rupert like The Daily Mail that are now trying to shift the focus onto the European economy instead suggesting it's "more pressing". Well no actually, the potential downfall of our government, couple with years of police and political corruption isn't less pressing than whatever happens in Europe because it's precisely that type of ethos of things being swept under the carpet that led to the crisis.

      I think you're right in that Rupert didn't just tell the FBI to go arrest them or any such thing, but I think it'd be naive to think the police haven't been using LOIC users as a bit of a PR tool when it suits, and certainly there are unquestionably forces, whether just the press, or the police and the press, or even some politicians, the police and the press trying to drawn the focus away from the whole situation right now.

  18. Why is this modded Troll? by znerk · · Score: 3, Funny

    If not modded up for being on-topic and insightful, it should at least be left alone... s/he actually managed to use "they're" and "there" correctly.

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  19. Re:Nationwide crackdown of 12? by Adriax · · Score: 2, Funny

    So they're arresting Kevin Bacon?

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  20. Re:Here we go! by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 2

    Contact your representatives and tell them that "current laws are more than enough for law enforcement to track down and arrest hackers." You know more about technology than your politicians do (probably) so be an informed and active citizen and let them know your thoughts about the matter. Get some of your friends and neighbors to do the same thing. Then, when the issue comes up they might just listen to what you said.

  21. Just GTFO by unity100 · · Score: 3, Informative

    there is no way in hell that arrests et al can do anything to anonymous.

    you arrest 100 people in usa. you arrest 100 people in france. you arrest 100 people in germany.

    what about the millions in china, russia, india ? how are you going to 'arrest' or 'scare' them ? morons.

    this is no more than a publicity stunt to satiate the bastard that is murdoch, since his ass is on the line now. and fbi and other government organizations in u.s. are making evident who they are serving. they didnt conduct a nationwide raid when all kinds of govt. organizations were attacked by anon.

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  22. That's pretty cynical by fredmosby · · Score: 2

    The members of Anonymous are risking going to jail in order to reveal corruption in the government and corporations. You are saying these people are dumb for taking a risk to stand up for something they believe in. It's not dumb, it's courageous.

  23. Re:You can't fight willfull blindness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No-Conspiracies theorists are impossible to argue with. No matter what evidence you show them..

    Like Murdoch's goons hacking dead girl's voicemails.
    Like Reagan funneling drugs to pay for illegal coups.
    Like TSA ex-goons profiting off possibly-dangerous backscatter machines.
    Like the FCC enabling mega-mergers in 1996 and completely abandoning their jobs for ca$h.
    Like Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld lying about Nigerian yellowcake.
    Like the NSA's squatting on the major backbones...
    Like the mutt-and-jeff of so-called Two Party Politics...

    repeat ad infinitum. COLLUSION and CONSPIRACIES OF MIND/OUTLOOK are not tin-foil-hatting. They are general observations of human behaviour that have proved correct for thousands of years. Some people lie and cheat and steal. Some people, like Edison, rig displays to discredit, bankrupt and hound others with ideas contrary to their SEARCH FOR PROFIT.

    If you can't understand this, you are mentally deficient. If you don't think financiers work together to make markets, you are ignorant. If you can't understand how money works, how it flows and follow it, you are not qualified to opine on anything to do with it.

    FTFY

    ps: all the above examples can be verified easily with a little research; after all, they were all in the newspapers for quite awhile.