Slashdot Mirror


Detroit Maker Faire Was Kinda Awesome

I was excited to have a chance to go to the Detroit Maker Faire this year. I've always wanted to attend such a thing, but the stars never aligned. I saw an entire tent filled with DIY 3D Printers making strange objects including the coolest polyhedral dice ever. Utilikilts held in place with suspenders! Haberdashery! Quilting! Blacksmithing! Books! A Cupcake Car! Gomp! Beer! Remote control turtles! A giant hay bailer! Numerous strange pedal powered forms of locomotion, and an entire garrison of Star Wars costumes... Besides, it's not often you have the opportunity to witness a giant steel dragon blow fireballs in a parking lot. I've shared a giant collection of photos if you want to see these things and more for a taste of the inspiring insanity I can't wait for next year... and between now and then I have some projects to tackle.

138 comments

  1. Polyhedral dice? by seven+of+five · · Score: 2

    As opposed to... monohedral?

    1. Re:Polyhedral dice? by Anonymous+Cowar · · Score: 1

      As opposed to... monohedral?

      polygonal?

    2. Re:Polyhedral dice? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      ...as opposed to bihedral.

      --
      No sig today...
    3. Re:Polyhedral dice? by captainpanic · · Score: 1

      As opposed to... monohedral?

      ... As opposed to really ugly or boring polyhedral dice?

    4. Re:Polyhedral dice? by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think he was trying to express that there were dice of many shapes, without using so many words. If you just say 'dice', people will assume 6-sided.

      --
      "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
    5. Re:Polyhedral dice? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      My dice are 2-sided you insensitive clod!

      Oh wait, those are coins.

    6. Re:Polyhedral dice? by Cap'nPedro · · Score: 1

      If you just say 'dice', people will assume 6-sided.

      Yeah right, this is Slashdot!

    7. Re:Polyhedral dice? by PNutts · · Score: 1

      If you just say 'dice', people will assume 6-sided.

      Yeah right, this is Slashdot!

      You mean all dice don't have sides 0 thru 5?

    8. Re:Polyhedral dice? by MacTO · · Score: 1

      Even some Slashdot users would assume 6-sided. Believe it or not, just because we share a subset of interests doesn't mean that we share the same set of interests.

    9. Re:Polyhedral dice? by gringer · · Score: 1
      --
      Ask me about repetitive DNA
    10. Re:Polyhedral dice? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1
    11. Re:Polyhedral dice? by VAElynx · · Score: 1

      As opposed to oligohedral perhaps?

    12. Re:Polyhedral dice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even some Slashdot users would assume 6-sided. Believe it or not, just because we share a subset of interests doesn't mean that we share the same set of interests.

      What?! Someone revoke this guy's user ID.

      Slashdot - love it or leave it!

  2. This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm older than most Slashdot readers, so I'm lucky enough to remember when these sort of fairs were commonplace throughout the United States. They truly were hubs of innovation, discovery and amusement. They'd happen at least monthly in most regions.

    The so-called "free trade" of the past 30 years has killed all of that. It drove out the true grassroots innovation that made America a powerful and prosperous nation. The jobs, abilities and skills necessary to make anything of value were shipped out to third-world hellholes, and the engineering skills necessary to design the factories and the processes to create such goods left soon after.

    Older folks are well, well aware of the sad state of the American economy today. We saw it when it was better. We lived through times when poverty was at its lowest levels ever. This was because America produced real wealth at the time, rather than the only jobs being serving coffee, putting foreign-made clothes on racks, collecting shopping carts, and producing bullshit "financial instruments".

    In many ways, it's not surprising that we're seeing this sort of grassroots innovation in the Rust Belt states. They were the first to, dare I say it, suffer from the utter molestation caused by "free trade". Some places, like Detroit, have themselves fallen to third-world living standards thanks to "free trade" and the movement of industry to Mexico, China, India and Vietnam. It would be true justice if these places were the first to bring industry back to the United States, becoming extremely prosperous in the process.

    1. Re:This was America before "free trade". by _0rm_ · · Score: 0

      Simple, labour is cheaper, and who the fuck are you to argue against the bottom line? What are you? A TALIBAN COMMUNIST NORTH KOREAN PIG-DOG!?

      --
      Boredom is bliss.
    2. Re:This was America before "free trade". by _0rm_ · · Score: 1

      Blatant sarcasm aside, most of us have little time to do these sorts of things anymore. I myself can't seem to gather up the enthusiasm (or disposable income) to do anything. I would really like to break out that bin of scrap I saved from a few months back and make myself a robot minion. It would be a great challenge for my programming skills. But sadly, college classes and the regular college chaos prevent me from doing so. Maybe once I graduate.

      --
      Boredom is bliss.
    3. Re:This was America before "free trade". by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not "Free Trade" that killed innovation in the US. It's regulation. You can't start a company out of your garage anymore. There are health codes, environmental regulations, tax and accounting standards to be met. Plus, quite a lot of regulation is designed to protect incumbent interests, squeezing out any potential competitors before they even get to market.

      --
      My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    4. Re:This was America before "free trade". by _0rm_ · · Score: 1

      And I thought I was a conspiracy theorist. There are plenty of ways to get out of the garage, you just have to know where to look. For example, as much of a gold-rush as it is, how many have made "that one great app" for mobile phones and struck it rich? Use those funds to work with the system and then work to change it.

      --
      Boredom is bliss.
    5. Re:This was America before "free trade". by snookerhog · · Score: 2

      once you graduate it only gets worse.

    6. Re:This was America before "free trade". by _0rm_ · · Score: 1

      Doubtful. I already have a job pretty much secured (I hope) and have a consistent schedule. The company is small, and I have weekends pretty much to myself. If you ask me, it will get extremely better.

      --
      Boredom is bliss.
    7. Re:This was America before "free trade". by vlm · · Score: 2

      Plus, quite a lot of regulation is designed to protect incumbent interests, squeezing out any potential competitors before they even get to market

      That's not a "plus", that's the entire purpose.

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    8. Re:This was America before "free trade". by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't buy a TV...

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    9. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only people making it "rich" from $1 mobile apps are developers living and working in India, or some other rather shitty country, where $1 goes extremely far buying inferior, locally-produced goods and locally-grown fruits.

      Even a wildly successful mobile app will often only provide income for an average North American, Western/Northern European, Japanese or Australian developer equivalent to a year or two's salary. That's not "striking it rich". That just means they'll need to reproduce that same level of success almost constantly for decades.

    10. Re:This was America before "free trade". by TheCycoONE · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you're really careful, but a lot of us end up with homes, wives, children, aging relatives, and a ton of other distractions. I fondly look back on when I had as much free time as University.

    11. Re:This was America before "free trade". by gpmanrpi · · Score: 2

      I think I am going to call BS on this. There are a lot of small business groups that will give you free advice on all that stuff in most communities, not to mention if you speak with an attorney or an accountant when you incorporate or choose not to incorporate, you should get a good head start on that advice. I can only speak for Florida, but the main limitation is that you can't actually do it cheaper than your 3rd or 2nd world manufacturing hub. I'll give you a real world example. I ran a business for a few years that gave away shaker cups with certain purchases. We were by no means a large outfit with minimal startup money 10-30k. But, we made a conscious decision to offer some branded merchandise for free or low cost. So we looked to US companies to get a shaker cup with our logo on the side, the lowest price quoted in the volume we needed was $1.50/cup. You are thinking, "hey that is a great deal, right?" Wrong, we went direct to the mainland Chinese manufacturer and got the literal same cups for $ 0.25. After shipping, and import duties, the total cost was $0.35-$0.55 depending on how we calculated it. We are not talking about amazingly complex item here, but as you can see we could really afford to give the dang things away. And we sold them for 6 dollars. I think the few hundred we actually sold paid for the whole batch. That is what local industry is up against. To be honest, it probably should not be cheaper to make a shaker cup in mainland China and ship it to the united states; I realize that is a loaded judgment, but intuitively it makes no sense. Figure out the solution, and you have solved many geopolitical problems.

    12. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, America got a windfall in WWII since most of the manufacturing capacity of Europe was devastated by the Nazis. This manufacturing boom continued after the troops came home and our products had a halo effect for several years to follow. After WWII was the space race, creating even more technology and innovation. Then we blew it all on wars and entitlement programs. Free trade agreements were just one of many nails in the coffin.

      To have a fair global economy, we need an equal compensation treaty. If you are to do business with a country, you should abide by all labor laws of that nation. I'm sure the Chinese, Indians, Vietnamese, Filipinos, and Africans (except maybe SA) would appreciate making $14,000+/year and a 40-hour work week. It may even bring some work back to America.

    13. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Artraze · · Score: 2

      Free trade has it issues, but what you're saying isn't one of them. People still learn engineering... hell, people _come_ here to learn engineering.

      The major reason that grass roots innovation is dead is because technology has just gotten more difficult to keep up with. In electronics you've got to use tiny pitch SMD's and most high end chips require BGA packages which are almost impossible for the hobbyist to work with. Mechanics have fared a bit better, but material prices have gone up and so have machining costs. Sure you can buy a MakerBot for $1200 or an old mill for $2000, but then you need a someplace to put them. Finally chemistry has basically become illegal because of the anti-drug craze.

      While all that was happening, other things got better. Software because cheap, 'easy', and extremely relevant. You could just use the equipment and knowledge you'd have anyway, and quite possibly create something that many people use and care about. On the other side, entertainment got a lot better. Rather than sticking with blinking boxes direct drawn to a CRT, you can play immersive long stories or infinite online multiplayer. Or you could just dick around online.

      So really it's just that traditional fields of innovation are moving beyond hobbyist capabilities. And even if they try and produce something, they won't be able to compete with large companies and Chinese production, but that's a capital/patent/IP issue, not a free trade thing. So they've moved foreword or moved on...

    14. Re:This was America before "free trade". by _0rm_ · · Score: 1

      Free time? At university?! HAHAHAH! You funny person!

      --
      Boredom is bliss.
    15. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Artraze · · Score: 1

      But why do you think that is?

      From the GP:
      > There are health codes, environmental regulations, tax and accounting standards to be met.

      The fact the China lacks is almost completely unregulated is why they're so cheap, even when importing nearly doubles the price. We've got nearly 10% unemployment but we can't hire those people because of any combination of taxes, minimum wage, health care, and disability/unemployment insurance, which only get worse if the workers unionize. On top of that, the factory will have to overcome environmentalists just to get built, and then have to meet EPA regulations and bay all kinds of taxes on fuels.

      I'm not saying _all_ these are bad, but I am surprised they can make cups for that cheap in the US.

    16. Re:This was America before "free trade". by kj_kabaje · · Score: 1

      I wonder who helped to write those regulations?  Would it have been lobiests paid by larger corporations?  There is a long-standing tradition of re-writing the rules to your favour in many countries.  It'd be interesting to know.  From personal knowledge, I can say that the US's recent health care "reform" bill was written largely by and for the insurrance companies and larger hospital groups.  Or did you think that the "death-panel debate" had any real bearing on the bill being written?

    17. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slavery built the pyramids, Rome, and much of the early industry in the United States. Without it, nothing really big would ever get done. What we have today with these 3rd world countries is nothing more than the modern abstraction of slavery. It makes us feel better that we don't have to see the living conditions and unsafe work environments these people are required to submit to in order to get a few pennies to provide their family with the local gruel.

    18. Re:This was America before "free trade". by kj_kabaje · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that you made the economically wise choice.  However, the exchange rate, kept artifically low, allows us to externalize our labor and despite higher real cost (to the environment, to labor, increased transportation, etc.), society paid a higher price.  Right or wrong--our system just externalizes those costs effectively.

    19. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't buy a TV...

      I'm only responding to your post because %#&ing /. 2.5 (or whatever they're calling it) auto-idiotically used my mod points to mod it -1 Troll, when I was TRYING to mod it +1 Insightful.

      So, it's a wash, instead - and I hope someone else will mod your post up, as it deserves.

    20. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Xphile101361 · · Score: 1

      Yes, bring back the good days where you could dump toxic waste into the drinking water and put lots of lead and mercury into your products.

    21. Re:This was America before "free trade". by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 1

      "quite a lot of regulation is designed to protect incumbent interests, squeezing out any potential competitors before they even get to market."

      Nail.Head.Hit.

      The other stuff is all window dressing for this.

      --
      Some days it's just not worth
      chewing through my restraints.
    22. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Gotung · · Score: 2

      Hogwash. For a couple hundred bucks or less you can get yourself an actual fully legal corporation registered with the state and everything. At least in Ohio, but I doubt the process in other states vary all that much.

      Hold one corporate meeting with a quorum of officers in attendance a year, and take notes, and you keep your corporation fully legal in perpetuity.

      If that is too much regulation for you to handle, I suggest you stick with your day job.

      Until you are making decent money, turbotax online will handle all of you taxes for about a hundred bucks. And until you are making decent money, accounting standards don't matter, because nobody cares how you accounted for that $5 "business lunch" at subway. And once you are making enough money that somebody might care, well then you can afford an accountant.

      And as far as health code and environmental regulations, exactly what kind of operation were you envisioning starting in your garage that would be affected? Are you really pissed you can't pack 30 children in there to make t-shirts with noxious chemicals?

    23. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such naivete.

    24. Re:This was America before "free trade". by TimeOut42 · · Score: 1

      Pure, plain, and utter rubbish.... It isn't the country or innovation that has made changes for worse, it is change you've not been able to leverage. All this BS about how everyone has destroyed everything I loved is pathetic. The world changes; we still have the largest economy is world, by far. 30 years ago Alvin Tofler wrote about the changing economy and how countries shift from one economic base to the next; it wasn't a surprise and it wasn't bad.

      So, instead of complaining about the lack of innovation, come up with something innovative instead of the same old hackneyed complaint about the economy and where America is heading. Instead of looking what was lost look at what we are doing; commercial space, bio-tech, serious information economics, etc. Want to innovate in your garage; start building the next best robot, clean energy solution, battery storage.

      Instead of telling the world to 'get off your lawn' invite them in and start innovating with the world.

      Also, bringing 'industry' back to America would condemn your grand-children to working 40-hour weeks in a factory. That's what we all want to aspire to.

    25. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Blatant sarcasm aside, most of us have little time to do these sorts of things anymore.

      It's not just time either. You used to be able to display only old thing at those fairs. These days it has to be a twenty foot tall transforming animatronic with lasers and pyrotechnics and ten thousand Watts of rumbling sounds. Who's got the resources to build stuff like that as a hobby?

      --
      No sig today...
    26. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "lobiests"???

      What the hell...???

    27. Re:This was America before "free trade". by PNutts · · Score: 2

      Free time? At university?! HAHAHAH! You funny person!

      So... Folks that graduated tell you what happens after you graduate and you mock them? For a long time I told people if I won the lottery I'd go back to college forever. You have no idea how much suck there is out there waiting for you.

    28. Re:This was America before "free trade". by royallthefourth · · Score: 2

      Addendum: repartition your entire hard drive; install Linux to prevent video games.

    29. Re:This was America before "free trade". by lysdexia · · Score: 1

      Has anyone reading this come in contact with a hog's bath water? I guess 4-Her's might have ...

    30. Re:This was America before "free trade". by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      How does this tripe get modded up? I have started a company out of my garage . . . for a while we only had a PO box, and we had prime contracts with DoD. There were no regulations keeping us down, and I went through a DCAA audit and passed with flying colors using quickbooks. If you're unable to figure out how to get it done, it might be your problem. I read about successful small business startups regularly: T-shirt companies, bike shops, software shops, solar system installers, furniture makers, accounting services, law firms, etc, and have several friends who have started several out of the previous list and none of them have been hampered in any way by regulations.

    31. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, of course the medical sector was involved in the healthcare reform...it could never have happened or have had any teeth unless it was supported on all sides. Yikes. You act like this is some hidden secret that you've discovered, which tells me you don't know much about how it works.

    32. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      Hell yes... if it wasn't for the wife and child, I would do the same.

      These days if I won the lottery, I'd probably buy a local bankrupt factory (there are plenty, from the demise of the local textile industries), and set up a lab in it. And rent any space I wasn't using to anyone else who wanted a lab.

      What would I research? Whatever the hell I wanted to.

    33. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, those lobbyists & corporations only go to the farthest ends of the earth to bring us a selection of experts in the field being legislated. They even PAY those experts' costs for us. Our politicians just have the ridiculously difficult task of picking the right experts and translating their strange mumbo-jumbo into legal speak so it can be added to the big law book. Cause legal speak is also difficult, the generous lobbyists donate their time and lawers to do both of the above.

      In the US, there is no "rewriting" involved.

    34. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes let's do this. Let's have one of these imbecilic discussions in the face of someone who has found joy. This is a great idea.

      So here we go. I know for certain what killed America- it was Obama. He did. All by himself. No wait, maybe it was the Tea Party... no... taxes, yes that was it, taxes punched America in the nuts. No, Kevin Smith. Cop Out FFS? No, it was Gingrich and Reagan- the original tax and spenders. No, it was dogma (not the Kevin Smith movie- well- wait, it could have been that...) Wait, it was religion. Religion killed the whole world and Obama is it's Rosicrucian overlord. Wait, George Bush- he is still killing America and in league with the Trilateral commission which is a Masonic plot to immanentize the eschaton.

      What were we talking about?

      Jesus Christ. Perhaps it was a bad fu$&ing attitude that is killing America?

      The author found inspiration and hope in a place without a whole lot to spare. Let's, perhaps, for once, applaud and foster that.

      I do remember my(the) first Maker Faire. It filled me with the same exuberance as the author- took tons of pictures, talked to people and got encouragement about a few ideas I had milling about in my brain, made some great friends, met the makers of the flame spitting serpent, saw kids engaging and creating in a way that I would hope they could in school. It all left that fire in me not just of self worth but of hope. It's still with me. It reinforced my belief that there are more people who want to do and share and be part of something than those who don't.

      Rock the f#(k on CmdrTaco.

    35. Re:This was America before "free trade". by eigenstates · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes let's do this. Let's have one of these imbecilic discussions in the face of someone who has found joy. This is a great idea.

      So here we go. I know for certain what killed America- it was Obama. He did. All by himself. No wait, maybe it was the Tea Party... no... taxes, yes that was it, taxes punched America in the nuts. No, Kevin Smith. Cop Out FFS? No, it was Gingrich and Reagan- the original tax and spenders. No, it was dogma (not the Kevin Smith movie- well- wait, it could have been that...) Wait, it was religion. Religion killed the whole world and Obama is it's Rosicrucian overlord. Wait, George Bush- he is still killing America and in league with the Trilateral commission which is a Masonic plot to immanentize the eschaton.

      What were we talking about?

      Jesus Christ. Perhaps it was a bad fu$&ing attitude that is killing America?

      The author found inspiration and hope in a place without a whole lot to spare. Let's, perhaps, for once, applaud and foster that.

      I do remember my(the) first Maker Faire. It filled me with the same exuberance as the author- took tons of pictures, talked to people and got encouragement about a few ideas I had milling about in my brain, made some great friends, met the makers of the flame spitting serpent, saw kids engaging and creating in a way that I would hope they could in school. It all left that fire in me not just of self worth but of hope. It's still with me. It reinforced my belief that there are more people who want to do and share and be part of something than those who don't.

      Rock the f#(k on CmdrTaco.

      --
      quis custodiet ipsos custodes
    36. Re:This was America before "free trade". by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      That is too much regulation. And that's ON TOP OF the regulation he's talking about.

      No one is willing to risk their house to berserk environmental regulations. No one is willing to risk their savings because they hired some kid to move some stuff around, and now they're responsible for their health care and unemployment.

      As to the snide t-shirt comment. Yes. Yes I am pissed. This is a legitimate business and because it's not *pretty* enough for you, you don't care if someone in the US is doing it.

      You should be pissed too.

      --
      Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
    37. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that even in those days we still had the cleanest, safest drinking water than most other countries in the world?

      And the only way to get lead/mercury poisoning from most products was to do something stupid like licking the inside of said items. (if you do you get what you deserve)

      No-one ever worried about drinking tap water in the US, but would you drink it in 3rd world countries?

    38. Re:This was America before "free trade". by guanxi · · Score: 1

      It's not "Free Trade" that killed innovation in the US. It's regulation. You can't start a company out of your garage anymore. There are health codes, environmental regulations, tax and accounting standards to be met. Plus, quite a lot of regulation is designed to protect incumbent interests, squeezing out any potential competitors before they even get to market.

      I thought it was too little regulation that allowed our banking system to collapse, greatly reducing funding for risky, innovative new ideas, as well as basic research.

      You'll note that the regulated economies are the richest ones. The developing and poor nations have much less regulation.

    39. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to add that the majority of the regulations that people complain about do not apply until you start serving the general public or your company is publically traded. AND you can still get access to the public's money w/o all the regulations if you did over the counter. But then you can't easily swindle the general public nor afford $1 salaries w/ $1m stock based bonuses.

      If there is a hinderace to starting up businesses, it is our legal noodle soup framework, sue-happy society, and cost of _avoiding_ litigation. Of course we all like smaller words like taxes and would rather waste time on that.

    40. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't start a company out of your garage anymore.

      My meth lab disagrees.

    41. Re:This was America before "free trade". by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Plus, quite a lot of regulation is designed to protect incumbent interests, squeezing out any potential competitors before they even get to market

      That's not a "plus", that's the entire purpose.

      That's not the entire purpose. That's how the purpose got hijacked.

      --
      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    42. Re:This was America before "free trade". by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Finland is not a cheap country:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovio_Mobile

    43. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people making it "rich" from $1 mobile apps are developers living and working in India, or some other rather shitty country, where $1 goes extremely far buying inferior, locally-produced goods and locally-grown fruits.

      This is completely true. Pirates completely fucked over the evolving Android developer space. Now only established development houses and shitty Indian developers can make anything. There are a few exceptions here and there, but largely, pirates completely fucked over developers on Android. Many have left entirely. Others are forced to go the adware route, whereby pirates are once again working hard to fuck developers by removing adware from the pirate versions, whereby ensure developers never get paid. In that case, it is literal theft.

      Android is a wonderful example of how pirates are fucking everyone and damaging the economy.

    44. Re:This was America before "free trade". by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      *WOOSH* I think that was plus as in "in addition to"

    45. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is neither Free Trade nor Regulation. The problem is the combination of low capital gains taxes and a totally broken patent system. The low capital gains taxes ensure that money only flows to those willing to be controlled by the entrenched elite, and the patent system ensures that anyone who manages to survive without their money can be sued out of existence.

    46. Re:This was America before "free trade". by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      > I thought it was too little regulation that allowed our banking system to collapse, greatly reducing funding for risky, innovative new ideas, as well as basic research.

      The banking industry is regulated eight ways from Sunday. You can argue that, through the backing of the government, the banks felt that they could take on huge amounts of risk, as well as being pressured to do so by the fed keeping interest rates very low reducing the profit banks made on their core businesses. In other words, the government was making it so the banks couldn't make money on traditional loans, but would back them up if they decided to make risky, complicated loan investments. So what did you expect them to do?

      > You'll note that the regulated economies are the richest ones. The developing and poor nations have much less regulation.

      You treat regulation as if it were one thing, and it is always good. A lot of the regulation in the US isn't designed to keep people safe or secure, it's designed to protect incumbent industries or artificially generate revenue for private enterprise by creating artificial scarcity. Look at most state's liquor laws for a fantastic example of this.

      --
      My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    47. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading the responses to this post in not reassuring, I have seen this first hand. What is written here is true, although I would argue regulation has done tons more damage. Most people on this site are just plain stupid and probably never been out of mommy's basement. You can call me names and say I have no idea what I'm talking about all you want but this post is correct. I have seen it, been in board rooms when this stuff happened to some big companies. Here is something all you slash heads can appreciate, in the end it comes down to greed, that's why Americans has lost most of their jobs.

    48. Re:This was America before "free trade". by BB_Cat_3k · · Score: 1

      I remember way back when the poverty was at its oldest level- through the mid90s. That's ended just one DECADE ago! Hopefully the Makers can bootstrap themselves back into a decent economy, using entirely new technologies, as all the old avenues seems to be completely locked up by MegaCorporMartIncCo.

    49. Re:This was America before "free trade". by _0rm_ · · Score: 1

      I'm saying that I have no free time realy. I am close to graduation. I was not mocking at all.

      --
      Boredom is bliss.
    50. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not free trade.

      It's computers. 30 years ago hardly anyone had a computer. Later they killed the innovation.
      Or perhaps stretching the patent lives. Or this is due to space shuttles.

    51. Re:This was America before "free trade". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come back to us three years after you graduate and see who's laughing

    52. Re:This was America before "free trade". by himitsu · · Score: 1

      Just by the way here, comparing the Makerbot to a mill is not valid. The Makerbot has a 2'x2'x2' footprint and can sit on a coffee table.

    53. Re:This was America before "free trade". by mijelh · · Score: 1

      I actually did install Linux to prevent video games. It doesn't work: you still have slashdot to prevent any kind of work to be done.

  3. Steampunkland by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Henry Ford museum is a steam junkies nirvana. Giant, two-story Edison power plant engines the size of a large ranch home. Original beam engines. An *enormous* Allegheny locomotive engine inside, used to haul mile-long coal trains up mountains. Compressed-air operating engines inside. Operating steam trains (burning coal) outside, along with various steam powered engines and tractors. There's an intact Edison substation, an operating workshop run on an overhead belt system, a working roundhouse where you can watch them work on the engines....

    --
    My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    1. Re:Steampunkland by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      For those in a different location, the transportation museum in Spencer, NC has running diesel and steam train and a working roundhouse as well.

    2. Re:Steampunkland by gfunicus · · Score: 1

      I do believe the 55 foot steampunk pig is still only a few miles away: http://steampunkcostume.com/2011/07/20/steampunk-pig-for-sale/ ...oh, wait. You meant real steam...

      --
      It's better to regret something you have done that to regret something you haven't done.
    3. Re:Steampunkland by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      Other side of the state, but still cool. That thing is startling to see walking around a corner for the first time. Grand Rapids has a really cool art competition that has huge installations scattered through the city. I think the steam pig was a winner one year.

      --
      My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    4. Re:Steampunkland by gfunicus · · Score: 1

      ha! I was thinking of the Gerald Ford Museum which is a totally different thing altogether.

      --
      It's better to regret something you have done that to regret something you haven't done.
    5. Re:Steampunkland by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      LOL yeah a little different :)

      --
      My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    6. Re:Steampunkland by Ambvai · · Score: 1

      Living in Grand Rapids myself; As I recall, Steam Pig placed in the top 10 last year, but not the top 3. You can take a look at it here: http://steampig.com/

    7. Re:Steampunkland by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      What did win? That crazy pencil drawing? That was cool and all, but two story steampunk pig! C'mon!

      --
      My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    8. Re:Steampunkland by mrdogi · · Score: 1

      My wife used to work in the Benson Ford Research Center, I used to volunteer there. That operating machine shop is more operational than you might think. Greenfield Village gives you the option to take a ride in an original Model T. These things break down on occasion, and need replacement parts. Well, the BFRC has the original schematics for all of those parts, and generally they machine the needed parts in that shop. How's THAT for cool?

      One or two of those Model T's aren't exactly original. They were built recently using those schematics.

  4. Hey Maker faire by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    Quit nut hugging the Canadian boarder for once and come down south, we make stuff here too

    1. Re:Hey Maker faire by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      It looks like there's a couple people trying to bring something like this to Florida...

      http://minimakerfaire.us/

      http://b3nmedia.com/blog/2010/05/27/bay-area-maker-faire-2010-pics/

      I hope they succeed. I think it would be an awesome thing to attend, but I just can't travel that far for it.

      --
      "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
    2. Re:Hey Maker faire by vlm · · Score: 1

      Quit nut hugging the Canadian boarder for once and come down south, we make stuff here too

      I've often wondered why they never go to Huntsville AL. Twenty years ago when I last visited, that was the high-tech-redneck capital of the south. Pretty much the "Eureka" TV show, but with a sweet iced teas, pecan pies, and grits flavor. Yes I'm well aware of Alabama's legendary average scholastic performance; Huntsville was kind of like Austin is today, ten thousand PHDs per square mile surrounded by a seemingly infinite sea of proud grade school dropouts. None the less it was a cool place to spend a summer, other than the heat. Is it still like that today, or have the govt contracts dried up and blown away?

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    3. Re:Hey Maker faire by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      The gov't is still here + more from BRAC movement, Nasa in whatever form it is, the heat still sucks, .. and it's whether'd most downturns (if not all since about ~1950). We use to have IEEE/Computer fair here open to anybody during the 90s that was pretty cool to me as a kid with lots of simulators and VR stuff (Sun, NEC, SGI were probably the biggest showers on average.). Now, it's like a computer swap meet.

      It's a good place for family, but high school to college kids find themselves very bored (hence the dropouts of a lot people I knew to be very bright)

      --
      Atlas Shrugged : Thematic Story :: Battlefield Earth : Organized Religion
    4. Re:Hey Maker faire by quetwo · · Score: 1

      Didn't realize that the Bay Area was near the Canadian border (or boarder, as you called it). I must be holding the map upside down.

      Maker Faire has typically had two official events -- San Mataeo and New York (added a few years ago). They added Detroit last year as an annual event. There are local offshoot events in various other localities. If you want to run one of the offshoot events, O'Reilley would be more than happy to help you set it up.

    5. Re:Hey Maker faire by CompMD · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed the one in Kansas City last month.

  5. The problem is still "free trade", not regulation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regulation isn't the problem. Some degree of regulation is necessary, and it provides some very real benefits. The higher standards when it comes to the safety of manufactured products and the treatment of employees is what helped make America a first-world nation, versus the third-world shitholes that we find around the globe.

    "Free trade" is as harmful as it is because it allows goods to be made in countries that have standards and regulations that are far, far below even the minimum standards in America. This is the only reason that China and Mexico, for instance, can produce goods far more cheaply than in the US. Their workers aren't any more productive than American workers would be, and are often much less productive due to using primitive manufacturing techniques that pre-date those used in America decades ago. They don't produce products that are better than those made in America (having used both, the third-world goods are far, far inferior, quality-wise). They aren't any more skilled than American workers were, even 30 to 60 years ago.

    America should only trade with other first-world nations that have similar standards. We're basically talking about Australia, the UK, France, Germany, Canada and the Scandinavian countries. Every other nation should be shunned until they raise their standards to the level of the civilized nations.

  6. Punctuation-craft by Guppy · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...suspenders! Haberdashery! Quilting! Blacksmithing! Books! A Cupcake Car! Gomp! Beer! Remote control turtles! A giant hay bailer! "

    Ah, I see CmdrTaco took the Maker course in Exclamation-Smithing.

  7. Those extrusion 3D printers are crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you're really interested in 3D printers, take a look at this one. And especially this page where there's a comparison between FDM (Fused Deposition Modeling) and Digital Light Processing printing.

    The DLP is so much easier to build, the results are so much better and it prints so much faster that I wonder why so many people are still working on FDM.

    1. Re:Those extrusion 3D printers are crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because this is still vaporware at the moment. Come back when you have something ready to sell, troll.

    2. Re:Those extrusion 3D printers are crap by Cap'nPedro · · Score: 1

      The DLP is so much easier to build, the results are so much better and it prints so much faster that I wonder why so many people are still working on FDM.

      The cost of the substrate material. Volume for volume, ABS is so much more cheaper than the light-curing resins needed for DLP.

    3. Re:Those extrusion 3D printers are crap by MBCook · · Score: 1

      I've got a Makerbot Thing-O-Matic, and it's quite a bit of fun. I can tell you that I bought it for two reasons: it was a kit, and there is a large community around it.

      DLP seems like a nice way to go, but it also seems quite a bit more complicated. As far as I know, no one is selling ready-to-build kits so the time investment is quite a bit larger on startup.I'd also imagine that due to the additional complexity they'd have trouble competing with the Makerbot on price. While the quality is much higher, if you are thinking of getting into the hobby that may not be something people are willing to splurge on to start.

      --
      Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
    4. Re:Those extrusion 3D printers are crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A DLP projector and a single Z-axis with a vat of resin is much less complex than an X, Y, Z axis with an extruder.

  8. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by clintp · · Score: 0

    "Every other nation should be shunned until they raise their standards to the level of the civilized nations."

    You are an elitist, selfish, and reasonably-argued racist snob. If you didn't also represent the views of others I've met, I'd just consider you a not-clever troll.

    Please crawl back under your diamond-covered lily-white rock and don't come out again until Asia, Africa, and most of South America has reached the prosperity levels of Europe, the US and Canada. And without trade with more prosperous nations that could be a very very long time.

    --
    Get off my lawn.
  9. You're ignoring the hidden costs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're ignoring the hidden costs associated with the imported item.

    First, are you sure that they were "literally the same cups"? American manufacturers, for instance, are subject to various regulations that prevent the use of plastics and other materials that may contain or leech harmful chemicals. Complying with these regulations does often increase the cost of the American-made good, but it also helps prevent poisonings and other health-related problems. Foreign companies usually aren't subjected to such regulation, especially when the goods are shipped to America. There have been more than enough cases, even within the past year or two, of imported goods containing lead and other toxic material.

    Second, the workers making the goods were likely treated like absolute shit. While the American workers making the cups may not have the highest standard of living, it likely far exceeds that of the foreign workers. In America, it's likely a small team of engineers and technicians operating machinery used to make the goods, while in foreign nations it's literally armies of barely-paid unskilled workers toiling for full days to produce the same product. At least the American workers can likely raise a family and live a middle-class lifestyle, versus the foreign workers who basically just live to work.

    I like to refer to the accounting you did as "Baby Boomer Accounting". It's a technique that their generation pioneered. Basically, it involves closing your eyes and ignoring any inconvenient costs, in order to come up with numbers that sound good. But by ignoring reality, you're coming up with a very, very distorted set of numbers that are basically meaningless. The costs that you, and many others, have ignored are starting to catch up with the American economy.

  10. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by tebee · · Score: 2

    Every other nation should be shunned until they raise their standards to the level of the civilized nations.

    But that is what free trade will eventually accomplish. It's starting to happen in China now. Some of the money we spend buying those consumer goods ends up in the hands of the workers producing them. They spend a bit more in their country and a whole support structure appears there supplying them with their consumer needs. Eventually they start wanting more, looking for higher wages and maybe even political reform.

    Even if the US as by this time moved on to the next country with even cheaper labor, then the nascent consumerism it started there can fire up the start of that country's own economy.

    It's ironic that a poster child of the right wing - free trade - has done more for re-distribution of wealth from rich to poor counties than all the socialist ideals put together.

    And I for one don't think it's a bad idea.

    --
    N.B. this user is far too lazy to write a witty and intelligent sig.
  11. That was not a giant collection of photographs by samjam · · Score: 1

    That was only 45 photographs.
    Friends and relatives could supply more photos than that in the days before cheap digital cameras.

    That was a few photographs, it took 2 minutes to view them.

    1. Re:That was not a giant collection of photographs by TimHunter · · Score: 1

      Thank god it was only 45. One of the bad things about digital photography is that it's easy to puke up 100's of worthless pictures and some folks just don't use good judgement about sharing. Every couple of months my sister sends me an email from Snapfish that says "Check out these 197 new photos of my granddaughter." Of the 197 maybe 3 are worth looking at.

  12. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    > Regulation isn't the problem. Some degree of regulation is necessary, and it provides some very real benefits.

    Some regulation *is* necessary. I don't think we need the FDA issuing 10-page edicts on what constitutes Swiss cheese. Or government-granted monopolies on wireless spectrum, or internet access etc.. Not to mention how broken the patent system is. Or licensing requirements that have nothing to do with safety or hygiene (licensing for interior decorating?)

    > This is the only reason that China and Mexico, for instance, can produce goods far more cheaply than in the US

    You're conflating innovation with labor. We still create lots of stuff in the US, we just don't build it all here. The US is also, still, one of the largest manufacturing nations in the world. We export *tons* of stuff, we just import a lot more.

    The problem is that there are a lot of workers in the US who think they should get $30 an hour for operating a torque wrench. Those days are long gone. There are still plenty of decent-paying manufacturing jobs available, but you need some skills beyond turning a wrench until it stops.

    --
    My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
  13. How is that a giant baler? by HBI · · Score: 1

    Having stood next to a baler last weekend, they're all pretty big.

    Most balers nowadays are the round kind. You drive through fields in the Midwest, you'll see more round bales than square ones. I'm told they weigh in at about 800lb when not wet. A new innovation is plastic-wrapping them automagically so you don't waste 6" on the outside of the bale from moisture and decomposition.

    Example baler

    --
    HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
    1. Re:How is that a giant baler? by lysdexia · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this one was powered by a steam engine. It had a huge reciprocating compaction arm that looked like it would grind you into monkey beef in about half a second. Truly terrifying machine. :-)

    2. Re:How is that a giant baler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A new innovation is plastic-wrapping them automagically so you don't waste 6" on the outside of the bale from moisture and decomposition.

      New innovation?? I grew up on a dairy farm in Minnesota and our round baler had that ability in the late 80s. Oh and there are different sizes of round bales, most of the ones up here are 5x6 and will weight 1200 to 1600 lbs.

    3. Re:How is that a giant baler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was actually four machines, One steam engine using a belt to drive a large (school bus sized) threshing machine, and another steam engine belt driving the hay baler. The museum borrowed them from a couple of families that collect them. I stood with the owner for quite awhile talking about how the whole thing worked.

      BTW: Hay has the seed still on it. Straw has the seeds removed. I always wondered about that.

    4. Re:How is that a giant baler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhhh actually the plastic wrapping is so you get Baleage which is somewhat more than 1/2 way between Hay & Silage, and has alot more nutritional content.

  14. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Care to point out the supposed "racism"? I just re-read that comment again, and I saw no mention of race, skin color, or any other attribute commonly associated with racial discrimination. Hell, the GP didn't include Russia and much of non-western and non-northern Europe in the list of first world nations, and those places have very high white populations.

    I think that you're just crying "racism" because you don't have any real counterarguments to use here.

    Many of the countries that the GP didn't list are, in fact, rather horrible places to live. I don't know how anyone can dispute that. Yeah, most African nations are abysmal. I sure wouldn't want to live there, and I doubt that you'd want to, as well.

    Furthermore, most of those unlisted nations have very large populations, with hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people. That's a perfect environment for creating an internal economy that could rapidly rise to first-world standards. That's exactly what the first world countries the GP listed did. They didn't wait for trade to make them rich; they took some initiative and created economies for themselves. If the citizens of these third world countries don't want to better their situation through hard work, then that's their problem.

  15. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's ironic that a poster child of the right wing - free trade - has done more for re-distribution of wealth from rich to poor counties than all the socialist ideals put together.

    Not quite. It has redistributed wealth, but it has taken it from the poorest Westerners and given it to the richest foreigners.

    The end result is that many people in Western nations have become far worse off than they would have been without free trade. (This, of course, further harms the domestic American economy, but that's another issue.)

    Furthermore, the foreign workers doing the work aren't better off than they were before. They get paid roughly the same, and live a similar lifestyle as before. It's the factory owners (who are often high-ranking members of the political community) who profit the most. But they were already quite well-to-do beforehand.

    The losses by Western workers far, far, far exceed the gains by the richest foreigners in every measure, and there have been absolutely no gains by the average foreign laborers. It's the sort of financial disaster that only "fiscally responsible right-wing conservatives" can manage to create.

  16. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by Xphile101361 · · Score: 2

    This is the only reason that China and Mexico, for instance, can produce goods far more cheaply than in the US. Their workers aren't any more productive than American workers would be, and are often much less productive due to using primitive manufacturing techniques that pre-date those used in America decades ago.

    I would argue that this isn't true at all. It has been shown many times that Americans won't be as productive because they feel entitiled to higher wages to work harder. http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/07/the-fruits-of-immigration.html The article focuses on immigration, but the results are the same. We have a 10% unemployment rate and Americans turning down jobs because they don't want to do the work for the pay, yet it is looked down upon to use immigrants or send the work elsewhere.

  17. Oh wow... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    Burning man in Chicago...

    - Dan.

    --
    ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    1. Re:Oh wow... by paimin · · Score: 1

      At least it gave the burners something to do other than annoy the shit out of SF 11 months per year.

      --
      Facebook is the new AOL
  18. Loved the Makers Faire in Austin by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 1

    Went twice. Awesome sauce.
    So sad when it left for Detroit.

    --
    Some days it's just not worth
    chewing through my restraints.
    1. Re:Loved the Makers Faire in Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome sauce.

      "Awesome sauce" is awesome sauce.

  19. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by EdgeCreeper · · Score: 1

    Every other nation should be shunned until they raise their standards to the level of the civilized nations.

    A bit extreme. Standards could be applied on a per manufacturer basis rather than the whole country. Make it mandatory that manufacturers are audited by an approved authority before they are allowed to import goods into your country. It's beneficial to both nations that way.

  20. Don't forget the Power Wheel racing!!! by GameMaster · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the Power Racing Series (Power Wheels vehicles modified for adult riding insanity). My hackerspace here in Chicago (http://www.pumpingstationone.org) started the event two years ago and has been organizing races at Maker Faire events in Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Detroit (with a lot of help from the respective local hackerspaces). This year, we had almost 25 cars competing over the course of the season and the Detroit Maker Faire was the finale racing event. It's a lot of crazy fun. Here's a YouTube video of part of the Detroit racing event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDfi4cGcPD4&feature=player_embedded

    --

    Rules of Conduct:
    #1 - The DM is always right.
    #2 - If the DM is wrong, see rule #1
    1. Re:Don't forget the Power Wheel racing!!! by lysdexia · · Score: 1

      Any shots of me leaving a greasy pink stretch of my forearm all over the pavement when I wrecked my Super Cub?

  21. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Some regulation *is* necessary. I don't think we need the FDA issuing 10-page edicts on what constitutes Swiss cheese.

    But without some definition of what "swiss cheese" is, how do you know that what you are buying is really "swiss cheese" and isn't some Mexican Asadero cheese with holes poked into it?

  22. Maker Faire plus airplane makes hilarity by NixieBunny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was there displaying my video coat, being a human television. We had to run to catch a flight at Detroit Metro, so I didn't have time to pack my gizmo, so went to the airport wearing it.

    Now I know what Cory Doctorow was talking about in his novel "Makers" with regard to the excessive searching applied to people who create stuff. As far as they're concerned, a dad with a family in tow, wearing a coat with wires and circuit boards on it, is a human bomb. I was just laughing throughout the whole extended search.

    We got on our plane OK, because I didn't give them actual shit, but my kids got a good lesson when I said out loud, "This is the land of the free", and the nice TSA lady said, "Not any more."

    --
    The determined Real Programmer can write Fortran programs in any language.
    1. Re:Maker Faire plus airplane makes hilarity by Xacid · · Score: 1

      This gave me a good hour of entertainment while at work (via the rest of your projects as well).. Thank you, sir!

  23. New Stuff??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't I see all this at Black Rock five years ago? Mostly bad art and stuff only good for showboating on the playa. Taco, most of us get wiser as we age.

  24. We Still Have a Window of Opportunity by Phoenix666 · · Score: 2

    When you go to a Maker Faire or read Make Magazine or even read /. you can tell the urge to create and innovate are not yet entirely gone from this country. It is on life support, but it's still there. We have about 10 years before it really will be too late, though. We need to take certain steps now to make America a cradle of innovation again.

    Government and Big Business have put a massive stranglehold on American innovation. Regulations aren't bad by themselves; they were introduced to counter the abuses of the Trusts (Read: Monopolies) of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. But now they've been twisted to prefer Big Business and those who can afford the armies of lawyers to interpret and apply them.

    Even worse than regulation, though, is the utter lack of capital to invest in start-ups and small businesses. Every bit of wealth that isn't locked down and most of what was supposed to be locked down have been ripped away and given to the big banks and ultra-wealthy to squirrel away in their offshore accounts. Unless you are one of the 0.000000000001% who is connected to those ultra-wealthy, it is impossible to access any of that capital.

    So unless you can spin a revenue-making venture out of thin air with no seed capital whatsoever, it doesn't matter how useful or amazing your innovation might be because you will never be able to bring it to market.

    Perhaps it would be possible to figure out to spin revenue making ventures out of thin air, but I sure haven't been able to find any place that can teach you. All that exists are people who will help you write a business plan (for a small fee), which is not remotely the same thing--angel investors and venture capitalists will only invest in a business that is already generating revenue, thus neatly clipping any clever venture in the bud.

    --
    Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
    1. Re:We Still Have a Window of Opportunity by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      Even worse than regulation, though, is the utter lack of capital to invest in start-ups and small businesses.

      Judging by the insane amount of money being poured into social companies, I'd say that the problem is not the lack of capital, but the lack of vision of most VCs. Most VCs just run after the latest flavor of the month ($1.3 billion valuation for AirBnB? really??), and most definitely shy away from industries they don't understand. Since a lot of VCs are clustered in Silicon Valley, guess what gets funded. It certainly isn't steampunk dragons. Unless, of course, they're delivered over the Internet.

      --
      Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
  25. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    I bought some oddball Iberian cheese from a local shop a couple of years ago. It was supposed to be some mild blue cheese. It was really intense, and I thought it had gone bad. I took it back and they gave me a credit, and I bought something else.

    Crazy, right? I managed to fix the situation without the government testing all the cheese in the counter to make sure it isn't bad, is what the label says it is, and is what I thought it was going to be.

    The guy at the shop said he had a couple people return that cheese, and he wasn't going to carry it anymore. This signals to the distributor, and to the manufacturer, that something is wrong with that cheese, and if enough shops do this, they'll either fix the problem or stop making it.

    --
    My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
  26. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cause that's exactly what we did with asbestos, over fishing, e-coli in spinach, and CFCs. Not to mention the Gouda from CostCo that had e-coli.

  27. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Read "The Jungle" you'll learn why the FDA was necessary (and possibly never be able to eat sausage again).

    In short, no the free market does not handle food processing well, as the worst dangers from food are difficult for the consumer to detect and link to a source. Even if they do figure out who's rat poison laden sausage killed you, it's too late for you to start boycotting them.

  28. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by Dishevel · · Score: 0

    They love the "R" word.
    It usually makes people run away in fear.
    For years now just using the word was enough to win in most cases.
    It has worked so well for so long in fact that now people pull it out when there is absolutely no way to defend its use.
    GP is Wrongheaded, and when in large groups loud and violent whilst preaching peace.
    GP is generally a bad person who blames corporations, uncaring government, rich people and all religions for the problems of all the poor and stupid in the world.
    Never once looking at himself in any way other than to pat himself on the back for being one of the first people he knew to buy an Insight and he felt really good about himself when he got the Prius.
    Hopes soon to get an all electric vehicle he can plug into the wall using no evil oil whatsoever.

    --
    Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
  29. google double + good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all these uninformed comments and nobody seems to notice the link location. i do hate facebook but i also hate google. the only way is to stay the fuck out of "the cloud".

    don't get fucked, just say no.

  30. Can someone tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how anything can be "kinda" awesome?

  31. Maker Faire started in the Bay Area by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    The Rust Belt states are the places most in need of grass roots innovation, and I'm really glad to see that the Maker Faire there has appeared for a second year running.

    But FWIW, MAKE has very California roots. The magazine is published by O'Reilly, and the first and longest running Maker Faire is held in San Mateo. And there's a joyous hippie transgressive vibe to it that must seem very alien to old-school manufacturing hubs but is unmistakably west coast.

    The next "big" Maker Faire (there are mini faires all over the place) will be in New York City in September. It too could use a shot of happy weirdness.

  32. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by ErikZ · · Score: 0

    Really? You don't see the endless, literally ENDLESS, amount of rules and regulations to be detrimental?

    There is no "Safe". You will be constantly creating new rules and regs to try and get there, but never will.

    And you keep on piling these problems on manufacturers. So what do they do? What any sensible human being would. THEY FLED THE COUNTRY.

    Your solution? Well, obviously we need to take over the world and apply our laws to every possible square inch. Let there be no escape.

    No wonder you posted as Anonymous Coward.

    --
    Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
  33. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    > Not to mention the Gouda from CostCo that had e-coli.

    So even with all the regulation we have now, bad stuff still happens? What regulation would have prevented this?

    --
    My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
  34. To much fun!!!! by jfong · · Score: 1

    I brought my two nieces, age 11&13, to the Maker Faire on Sunday. We arrived early at 9:30am and spent the entire day there. The girls had so much fun doing all of the hands on crafts, blinky lights soldering how to, IMAX movie, rides, mentos coke demo etc. They told me they wanted to make sure we go both days next year so we wouldn't miss anything. You can't ask for a better location to hold the Faire than the Henry Ford Museum. You can easily spend a day there just walking around the museum and Greenfield Village. I enjoyed it immensely.

  35. We've all seen Maker Faire by Animats · · Score: 0

    How did some clown's vacation blog get in?

    Out here in Silicon Valley, most of us have been to Maker Faire, which has been around for years, and many of us have shown there. It's now full of people selling flea-market level craft junk. I don't go any more.

    1. Re:We've all seen Maker Faire by eigenstates · · Score: 1

      Thank you for completely validating my point you jaded internet neck beard.

      F*5k now I am doing it.

      Someone, anyone rescue the world from this incessant hypercycle commentary. Let the world breathe.

      --
      quis custodiet ipsos custodes
  36. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you had died because the cheese was made with some additives that were cheaper but poisonous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal), you wouldn't have had the chance to fix the situation yourself.

     

  37. The Real Cleopatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some wedding dresssay Cleopatra is “cheap white gownsthe Banshee of the Nile” and“the garter snake of the nile”. While other people say she is the lover of poets wonderful prom dressesall over the world. The Romans hetes her deeply for Roman has nearly became a province of Egypt. While Egyptians eulogize her for she has win 22 peacefull years for Egypt. Octavianusv invaded Egyptian in 30.B.C. With the Suicide of Cleopatra, Egyptian was incorporated to Roman, and the cultrue of oid egypt went to over. A recently research have studied that Cleopatra has protected her party cocktail dress not just relied on her beautyTop Organza Wedding Dress. The techniques she used has cheap wedding dresses difference with International relations in the morden world. This is where her wisdom reflected.

  38. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by lonecrow · · Score: 1

    here here.

    While arguments can be made around the edges of specific free trade arrangements, these arrangements are good for everyone in the long run. The emerging middle class in China well soon have the political clout to start demanding REAL reforms and REAL environmental standards very soon. Their domestic consumer demand will catch up to their production and then you can start bitching that there are no more cheap imports and you will have to wait a bit while your domestic production ramps back up. So the good news is that your kids will have homegrown jobs :)

    The big hope is that China does a better job then the west did with the last remaining basket case Africa.

    The thing that drove me crazy for the last 30 years was the extreme protection of agriculture both in North America and in Europe. If your not going to allow the developing world to work their way out of poverty by selling you low tech products like food then they are going to find other sectors within which to use their primary competitive advantage (labor in manufacturing assembly or services)

  39. Re:The problem is still "free trade", not regulati by jira · · Score: 1

    It's ironic that a poster child of the right wing - free trade - has done more for re-distribution of wealth from rich to poor counties than all the socialist ideals put together.

    It's not that much ironic as it redistributed wealth from the lower classes in the west. During the last 30 years real wages for middle and lower income workers stagnated. But the top 1% are making much more.

  40. Children outdoor Adventures by bobbyLove432 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like you guys had a lot of fun! I personally love the fair but My 14 year old is a huge book worm so its hard to even get her out of the house. Is that normal for a 14 year? Anyway I think we going to began more out door activities. Does anybody know what a 14 year old girl would be interested in? I just pick this entire children book it series The Adventures of Cinnamon & Spice for my 4 year old daughter! Google it or check out them here www.jpwbooks.com They are a great character building resources for parents and teachers