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The Story Behind Recent Patent Reform

rmstar writes "In an article titled 'The Spoilsmen: How Congress Corrupted Patent Reform,' Huffington Post reporter Zach Carter takes a look at the story behind the recent patent reform effort. It is an interesting and scary account of just how broken the legislative process is when it comes to intellectual property."

102 comments

  1. ...when it comes to intellectual property. by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like it stops there?

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    1. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Correct, it doesn't stop there. As the Tea Party gains further momentum, at some point the damage to the American government is going to be irreversible.

      Which of course is exactly what Bachmann, Paul and Palin want.

    2. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by drb226 · · Score: 1

      While what you say is true, I have a hard time blaming anyone for messing up legislation that is based on a broken concept like "intellectual property". If it isn't tangible, how can you "own" it? Rather than saying "you can't", as they probably should, they instead weave all kinds of nonsense legislation around the flawed concept.

    3. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think Palin is rational enough to actually want something.

    4. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, you can own tangible things, like a share in a company, or a debt someone owes to you.

      I think you're confusing intangibility with non-rivalry. If something is non-rivalrous, it means that multiple people can possess the whole of it without lessening the possession of anyone else. An idea is not rivalrous because if Alice tells her idea to Bob, she doesn't lose it, but rather they now both have it.

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    5. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      I don't see why you can't. You don't really "own" anything. You simply believe that you do (and laws may state that you do).

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    6. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but how is the Tea Party involved in this story, or are you just spewing rhetoric everywhere?

    7. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, damage to any government is temporary. Governments grow by default. To maintain a limited government requires constant vigilance and repeated cuts.

    8. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      'very much against the will of most people in it"

      you see, that's part of the problem with your argument. most of the people in it want to be babied. hence people voting for the government they've built over the past century.

    9. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, Palin, and welcome to Slashdot. Maybe you'd want to register as a user?

    10. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      " I am considered poor myself relative to what the government calls the poverty level. "

      Perhaps you should work harder and shoulder your fair burden of taxes. I subsidize your services.

    11. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by gorzek · · Score: 1

      Sure she is. She wants that cold, hard cash and will say whatever it takes to keep it comin'.

    12. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      legally, you shouldn't be able to 'own' an idea or set of ideas. patents are sets of ideas. if you want to 'own' your secrets, keep them secret as long as you can and build a brand name/trademark. your brand name/trademark should be protected. otherwise, everything is patentable unless someone beat you to the patent process...everything. you may one day find yourself fined for picking your nose a certain way because someone else patented that more efficient way of nose picking. i hear you. common sense of those approving the patents should safe-guard against such non-sense. well, hear me. common sense, to me, dictates what i am writing. obviously, common sense is not common at all. or is it? what is a secret? something you know that you don't want others to know. why? knowledge is power and you want to be the sole wielder of that knowledge. so how do you keep your secret a secret? you guard it yourself. as it is with all things, if you wield the power of that secret enough times, someone else will figure it out. copyrights were evil in the beginning. they were conjured up by the ruling monarchs and aristocracies to restrict "freedom of speech/press". they were pretty much abandoned in that capacity until someone resurrected the idea to prevent publishers from publishing and making money off the works of authors who they were not compensating and had not given them permission to reproduce their works. 'reproduce' was an unfortunate choice of words. what they really meant was 'publish' for profit.

    13. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'very much against the will of most people in it"

      you see, that's part of the problem with your argument. most of the people in it want to be babied. hence people voting for the government they've built over the past century.

      You decided it would be a great idea to take that quote out of context. This lead to you correcting something that was not incorrect to begin with.

      The full quote is "very much against the will of most people in it who work for a living". What you said doesn't apply to them.

      I don't know if you are unskilled at basic discussion etiquette, if you're being deliberately deceptive, or if you're just a douchebag, but if you want to be taken seriously, don't do this.

    14. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, but how is the Tea Party involved in this story, or are you just spewing rhetoric everywhere?

      OK, so you didn't read the article. At issue is an anti-patent troll provision in the bill which only applies to banks, and makes it easy for them to challenge stupid patents. A company that holds a patent on transmitting check numbers over the Internet (I am not kidding) lobbied Tea Party leaders and launched an astroturf campaign targeted at Tea Party members and depicting the provisions as "another bank bailout" (I am not kidding).

      As a result, the normally pro-bank Republican party was split, with Tea Party affiliated congressman voting against the anti-patent troll language.

      The Democrats are also split on this provision, and the situation there is equally squalid but more complicated. On one side are the Democrats with ties tot he financial industry, of course. On the other are the proverbial strange bedfellows: those with ties to the patent trolls and their lobbyists, and those with ties to high tech industries opposed to patent trolls but afraid that a special provision for the financial industry would weaken a future bid to get the same deal for themselves.

      This all takes place in the context of a longer term fight between High Tech and Big Pharma, which is a bit like the TMBG song "Particle Man". High Tech doesn't like the status quo because it makes it difficult if not impossible to create a product like a smartphone without tripping over some crazy patent. Big Pharma, which doesn't have this problem (it sells and patents molecules), likes the status quo. They had a fight and Pharma won, so finance stepped in to get the things High Tech wanted, but only for themselves so they wouldn't have to fight Pharma too.

      That in turn takes place in the context of international trade treaties the US has signed that aren't very consistently observed, but give a convenient monkey wrench to throw into the reform works for anyone who prefers the status quo. Despite this, the banking industry was able to get its reforms (which are reasonable except that they only apply to the banks) passed in the Senate, only for the Tea Party to split the Republican support in the House.

      So to conclude: across the board reform targeting stupid patents is blocked by Big Pharma. Industry targeted reform is difficult to pass because of treaty obligations, and High Tech doesn't have the clout to make it happen. The banks had enough clout to get industry specific reform into a bill, but where shot down by Tea Partiers who were sold a framing of the issue by the patent trolls that was even dumber than the patents the trolls wanted protected.

      The upshot is that the only patent "reform" we're going to get is to make the system more favorable to large companies and less favorable to small ones. Apparently that's the one thing all our legislators can agree upon.

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    15. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by peragrin · · Score: 1

      the difference between intellectual property and real property is the fact real property can be taken away from you. No one can "take" an idea away from you, they can only copy it.

      I can take your car, kick you out of your house, but I can only ever copy your trademark, copyright, or patent.

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    16. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot, did you actually finish reading the post you replied to?

    17. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Patents were meant to be a solution to avoid secrets and guild like behaviour, in exchange for a certain protection for the inventions. The problem is that patents are no longer limited to inventions and are used far beyond the original scope.

      I certainly would like the intangible patents to be denied, since for the most part cost very little in terms of invention effort and time. For this reason any loss incurred is likely very small.

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    18. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by bky1701 · · Score: 2

      Ownership of ideas is ludicrous. Enforcement of such ownership is censorship, plain and simple. No one should be behind this kind of thing.

      I have said it before, and I think people got the wrong message, but I will say it again: eventually we will look back on copyright and patents like we now do on slavery. Slavery, too, was an important part of our economy, which was utterly immoral, and many understood it was wrong. Slavery just happens to have been a LOT worse. However, it will happen to copyright/patents, too. Then we can get on with society without their shackles.

    19. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      You see all those other words in the post to which you are replying? You might want to try reading them, it could be educational.

    20. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Actually your AC posting just proves YET AGAIN that the teabaggers (which that phrase has actually been adopted by many, I guess they don't play Halo) don't have a fucking clue as the ones working likewise want government help to ensure that a single illness doesn't wipe them out which sadly they've seen happen again, and again, AND again. I should know as my sister passed in 2007 after a long cancer fight leaving two teenage boys and bills to this day we are fighting against.

      So frankly you and the other teabaggers can all DIAF for all I care. you seem to be just fine for "bailout baby bailout" when it comes to big banks, big pharma, and of course you've NEVER met a military money sink you didn't like. How many teabaggers are all for the two wars under Dubya? yet they DEMAND that they get to keep their tax breaks even though we are AT WAR and never in the ENTIRE history of this country have we been AT WAR and not had tax hikes, yet the baggers act like its a God given right.

      Of course in the end its just another spin by the Kock bros on the classic "give teh rich MORE MONIES nom nom nom!" which they've been pushing for damned near 40 years. it got us trickle upon (80-88) voodoo economics (88-92) having "free trade" with those that have NO environmental or worker protections (92-00) followed by "hey the rich only control 85% of teh wealth! Lets give them BIG TAX BREAKS while starting TWO wars LOL!" (00-08) finally we are up to "Bailout the rich baby, bailout the rich!" (08-present).. Did I miss anything?

      The teabagger bullshit is just another spin on the same fantasy that if you "Give teh rich MORE MONIES! nom nom nom" that this will magically trickle upon the working poor, which is total horseshit. in reality simple facts and common sense (something that is an oxymoron when it comes to teabaggers I know) says that higher taxes on the wealthy leads to lower unemployment and more job growth since if they get taxed if they keep it they invest it into businesses instead of hoarding it. The poor spend, the rich hoard. This is basic econ 101.

      But please keep spouting the teabagger bullshit, i'm sure the Kock bros (misspelling intentional because they are serious pricks) sitting in the Lear jet are quite happy they have plenty of useful idiots such as yourself.

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    21. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Governments grow by default...vigilance...repeated cuts.

      Bullshit.

    22. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Yes, well, what stops someone from believing that all copies are theirs and theirs alone? I don't agree with owning ideas, but I don't see why it's impossible when "ownership" is nothing more than a state of mind (you believe that something is yours and yours alone and the law agrees with you).

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    23. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by McGuirk · · Score: 1

      No, you can own tangible things, like a share in a company, or a debt someone owes to you.

      I am currently to believe that a share in a company is indeed an intangible good. It's not something you can hold in your hands. Mind you, you may have a piece of paper or something similar that represents it, but the share itself if not a tangible object.

    24. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that was a typo. I meant to say intangible.

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    25. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by peragrin · · Score: 1

      How can you prove there isn't another copy ever? once you show it to someone it is copied into their memory. the only way to be sure is to kill the person.

      Also since most ideas are derivative of previous work, the probability that someone else had a similar idea is very very high.

      Bell, was the first to file for patent on the telephone.
      Wright brothers weren't the first to fly, but the first to take off with a motor., and they were the first to patent it.

      America was the first to build and deploy a nuclear bomb, however Nazi Germans had come up with the basic concept a decade earlier.

      So if the only way to stop the spread of an intellectual concepts is to kill everyone involved, and even then you stand a really high chance of someone else making it work at a similar time on their own. How can you say it was yours and yours alone.

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    26. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      How can you prove there isn't another copy ever? once you show it to someone it is copied into their memory. the only way to be sure is to kill the person.

      I didn't claim that it makes sense. I only claimed that it was possible for someone to feel that way. They could take a less drastic approach and only believe that digital copies belong to them, for instance. Again, I myself think that intellectual property is ridiculous. I'm only claiming that "property" is just an idea itself.

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    27. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if someone spends years doing R&D and creates something new, keeping it a secret is his only option then to keep it away from predators? "People" in the corporate world (aka, "the entitled set") think they have a right to use people like their own personal lotto tickets and transfer someone else's value (intellectual property, e.g.) to themself or distribute it amongst "the group". It's the same ol' wanting to get something for nothing spiel.

      Since you brought up "freedom", let's keep in mind that those who are the most successful at transfering others' value to themselves or their group are the most "free". So then, is "society" based upon "freedom" or imposition? (Rhetorical, because it is obvious what in practice is the basis, at least is to me here in the USA).

      Is "society" a synonym for "crime against humanity"?

    28. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why read, learn, or think when hooting, yelling, and tossing turds is so much more rewarding?

    29. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you haven't noticed: the people that work the hardest make the least money in the US. Those that work smarter make enough to survive. Those that flap their yap and get others to do the work for them make the most. Those that work smarter and flap their yap are considered smart-asses and are hated by just about everyone else.

    30. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      This one article by itself is excellent; there have been sufficient others in recent years. Or, of course, one could read law, an exercise I cannot recommend even thought one might have the time and the stomach for it. Things have gotten seriously that bad. (I know. I had to become expert viz. copyright regarding software lending libraries circa '90)

      I apologize for not reading all of the comments, some of them sure to cogent and on point, and certainly more insightful and learned than this, but I'm tired of obvious patents, of ignored prior-art patents, of too few examiners with far too little knowledge, smarts, or experience to do a fair job; I'm tired of the notion that a logical or extensible notion is somehow patentable, or even that even individual genes are patentable. I'm tired of the political, economic, and intellectual corruption.

      If one invents a better mousetrap one might possibly earn a patent - none of this "....but, if we strap on another couple of solid rocket boosters we can patent the fooker and make money whether we ever launch it or not." For this kind of crap and all else, fuck off. I've been watching this shit for fifty years and it's been going steadily downhill to the detriment of us all, excepting the oligarchs and allied assholes and their smarmy confederates in Congress.

      Please forgive my language. I've either had too much Guinness or not nearly enough.

    31. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      You claim that patents protect people from corporations. This is false. I do not believe I need to go and prove this point - see the article linked above, or Google "Small Business Sued Patent," which I am sure will yield many relevant examples.

      Of course, then you claim that somehow, I am advocating "crimes against humanity" by suggesting the above and a logical course of action given it. I think, at least; it isn't really clear where that comment came from. Assuming that, let me guess - you're one of those "Obama wants Death Panels" people?

      Anyway, since I already responded to this post...

      "People" in the corporate world (aka, "the entitled set") think they have a right to use people like their own personal lotto tickets and transfer someone else's value (intellectual property, e.g.) to themself or distribute it amongst "the group".

      ...which, in this case, is enabled by the fact that ownership of ideas is legally recognized. Take away patents, and anyone can use the ideas in question. No ability to transfer that which does not exist.

      So if someone spends years doing R&D and creates something new, keeping it a secret is his only option then to keep it away from predators?

      Old argument. We live in a brave new world here, buddy- China doesn't give a crap about your patent, anyway. Even if patents were enforceable in such a way as to remove that little issue from the picture, you just end up with a lot of people having patents to things they lack the capital to profit on. The result, which is currently the norm, is that the inventor(s) is payed a small sum (far below what the idea is 'worth'), and the buyer then proceeds to abuse the patent against society at large.

      Not to mention all the patents granted for things which are still effectively secret, which is your argument for patents, right? "But it will make ideas open!" - nope, sorry, it didn't. Not sure what the use of them being publicly known is if they are not publicly usable, anyway...

      Patents are an immoral construct which will be gone before the turn of the next century, just like copyright. People who supported them will be laughed at and likely scorned. Even if there was some justification to them, they are quickly becoming unworkable and costly, and even those who own them are realizing it. The internet, computers, and global industrialization are proving they are a flawed concept on almost every level. The times they are a changin'!

    32. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Caesar+Tjalbo · · Score: 1

      Not bullshit but it isn't limited to governments either. Organizations in general grow by default, if only through currency inflation. It's worse for governments because there's pressure from the outside to take care of something and pressure from the inside because a politician wants to achieve something and has to negotiate with another.

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    33. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      Go up two more levels. The thread is about tea party support for the repealing a section of the bill, as though they are the driving force behind it. They aren't, a law firm with strong Democratic ties is.

      Ranting about astroturfing is kind of pointless when the minority leader of the house of reps is in the pocket of special interests.

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    34. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      I truly hope you're right. But I doubt it will happen in our lifetime. And it might never happen. It seems like, in order for it to happen, corporate power over government would have to decrease, but it seems like it's only increasing, all over the world.

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    35. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if someone spends years doing R&D and creates something new, keeping it a secret is his only option then to keep it away from predators? "People" in the corporate world (aka, "the entitled set") think they have a right to use people like their own personal lotto tickets and transfer someone else's value (intellectual property, e.g.) to themself or distribute it amongst "the group". It's the same ol' wanting to get something for nothing spiel.

      Since you brought up "freedom", let's keep in mind that those who are the most successful at transfering others' value to themselves or their group are the most "free". So then, is "society" based upon "freedom" or imposition? Is "society" a synonym for "crime against humanity"?

    36. Re:...when it comes to intellectual property. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if someone spends years doing R&D and creates something new, keeping it a secret is his only option then to keep it away from predators? "People" in the corporate world (aka, "the entitled set") think they have a right to use people like their own personal lotto tickets and transfer someone else's value (intellectual property, e.g.) to themself or distribute it amongst "the group". It's the same ol' wanting to get something for nothing spiel.

      Since you brought up "freedom", let's keep in mind that those who are the most successful at transfering others' value to themselves or their group are the most "free ". So then, is "society" based upon "freedom" or imposition? Is "society" a synonym for "crime against humanity"?

  2. STORY !! TALK !! COME BACK NEXT YEAR, YAH HEAR !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same old song and dance then too !!

  3. scary? by Jodka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is a... scary account of just how broken the legislative process is...

    Scary? You think that is scary? No, this is scary.

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    1. Re:scary? by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      No that's just a cool visualization of large numbers. Showing the GDP of the US would have a similar effect.

    2. Re:scary? by Jodka · · Score: 1

      Not scary? You apparently do not comprehend the implications.

      Not including future increases in planned U.S government spending, solely to fund spending which government has already promised to Social Security beneficiaries, Welfare recipients, Medicare and Medicaid recipients, recipients of government pesions, U.S. debt holders and other groups, every household in the U.S. today will have to pay, on average, an additional $1,016,774.00 more in taxes than what they pay at current rates. That is, on average, an additional $370,855.00 more per citizen.

      Of course, you could say that my estimate is off, because the population is growing so the average dept per person will be smaller. But even if the population doubles before the funding promises are met the numbers are still terrifying. Furthermore, historically, unfunded liabilities have increased greater than the rate of population growth.

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    3. Re:scary? by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      But the vast majority of that will be health care costs. It just shows that we need REAL health care reform. The scary thing is that the legislative process is so bad that it takes greater than a super majority to pass anything meaningful.

    4. Re:scary? by visualight · · Score: 1

      The wealthiest people in this country pay less taxes now than at any time this century. Maybe that's the problem.

      Supply side economics is the reason for the short fall not the existence of social security or medicare. The people who put such thoughts into your head know this is true. The short fall is intentional, the hoped for result is a mob of fools clamoring for their own demise.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics#Effect_on_tax_revenues

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    5. Re:scary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wealthiest people in this country pay less taxes now than at any time this century.

      This is not true in 1930 the top marginal tax rate for people making more that 250,000 a year was 25% the current top marginal tax rate is 33% for incomes between 171,851 and 373,650 and 35% for all incomes over that. So let me do the math 35% - 25%, hmmm i think that equals 10% increase over historical tax rates. Yup your previous statement is just class warfare rhetoric. And I'm not even useing the lowest tax rate in the history of the income tax 7% for top earners 1913, or even a more recent example 1988-1990 28% for top earners. Tax Info Found Here[Wikipedia] Now, if we want to talk about deductions that is a whole different ball game. I say screw tax deductions! As long as it takes more than a post card for me to fill out my tax form, taxes in this country will always be fucked up.

    6. Re:scary? by visualight · · Score: 1

      Now, if we want to talk about deductions that is a whole different ball game.

      Actually that is the only ball game. So nope, not rhetoric.
      Also, what's with this phrase "class warfare" that conservatives seem to think of as a magical trump card in any argument? What the wealthy pay keeps going down while social programs and living wage jobs evaporate, yet "you people" try to frame things as if the working class are waging war on the wealthy (as if it were possible). If anything it's the opposite. The think tanks that programmed your thinking do in fact look ahead to words and labels that might describe their own positions and actions then leverage their massive media influence to point them elsewhere. Case in point, "fascist". This is why all of you use the same words and labels.

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  4. Is there an area where legislative process is OK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seems to me that Congress is bought and paid for by the oligarchy, ditto every state legislature, therefore democracy doesn't work any longer.
    Ditto all of our chief executives -- it isn't an accident that Obama is little different than Bush in most of his policies, actually worse in civil liberties for US citizens.

    US governments at all levels no longer adhere to the US Constitution.

    US governments are therefore completely illegitimate, as bad as any Middle Eastern gov controlled by an obvious strongman.

    The problem is no longer left vs right. It is us ordinary citizens against the oligarchy. This is the fundamental reason for all of the laws tightening the screws on dissenters of every kind.

  5. sudo chown by hyperfl0w · · Score: 1

    winners and losers alike are seeking the "sudo chown" permission through a social hack of federal regulators. These frequency and scale of these vulnerabilities have increased as the patent system has expanded in both size and complexity. Federal regulators with current sudo privileges (trusted system administrators) are divided as to which GRP to assign. Since both democrats or republicans owe their elections to many groups, the CHOWN assignment is not straightforward. As 2012 election deadline approaches, system administrators are quickly hoping to wrap up the issue. Since none of the admins understand how "sudo chown" actually works, the argument has been reframed into terms that everyone understands "job creation". Some admins are now pushing FOR "job creation", while others are AGAINST "job creation". This report follows on the heals of HR 1981, wherein some House members are "for child pornography" while others are "against". Booing is boring so here is the alternative: LABEL THE BILLS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE.

  6. Pathetic. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow... That article has left me aghast, but I'd be lying if I said I was surprised.

    What really surprises me is that anyone can remain loyal to either party. But I know what the mindset is for most people; "my guy might be bad, but at least he's not as bad as the other guy." So while people continue to delude themselves politicians keep screwing everyone.

    By reveling in their own ignorance Americans have abrogated their responsibility to politicians, sometimes intentionally sometimes not. And when that happens the government starts making decisions for us, and inevitably they're going to do what's in their own best interests. So we get stuck with crap.

    And the sad thing is that patent reform should be a no-brainer for anyone, regardless of political ideology. I mean, even a staunch believer in the free market should fully support the revocation of most patents. If a corporation can't remain competitive without the government stepping in to protect every little idea they come up with then they deserve to fail.

    1. Re:Pathetic. by bioster · · Score: 2

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

    2. Re:Pathetic. by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      Or as the late great Douglas Adams put it:

      "I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further
      grinding, "take me to your Lizard."

      Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

      "It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

      "You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

      "No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

      "Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

      "I did," said Ford. "It is."

      "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

      "It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

      "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

      "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

      "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

      "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard
      might get in. Got any gin?"

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    3. Re:Pathetic. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you don't vote third party -- I don't care who -- you're part of the problem. No exceptions. Any vote for D or R is a vote for corruption.

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    4. Re:Pathetic. by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. There are mavericks. Look for the members that the other members call crazy. Those are the people to vote for.

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    5. Re:Pathetic. by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      The problem is that while democracy might seem to be the best of all options with regards to how one obtains a government, without an educated population who is willing to understand the problems and elect politicians who can resolve the issues in the most intelligent and beneficial means, we get a government that is really not much better than that which any other system might produce.

      Essentially, it looks like that for the past 30 years the US Government has been spending money it doesn't actually collect in taxes, to help enrich a few major US corporations/industries/banks, who then in turn donate some of the profits they gained as a result to ensure that the same politicians get reelected so they can continue to adjust the laws to benefit corporations over the individual. "The best government money can buy". What brand of politician doesn't seem to matter all that much, Republicans back the rights of corporations over the rights of individuals and defend the rich from taxes, but according to the article so do a lot of democrats.

      In the meantime the rest of the US population who aren't rich, don't own a major corporation, or have huge deposits in the bank are being forced to live in substandard conditions as a result of those companies profiting to extremes. According to that article, the US is spending 10x what it could be spending on buying prescription drugs alone. Combined with the recent wars to enable the US Military industrial complex and private contract firms to score big on the US Government monies this isn't helping at all.

      I don't think this can end well either. It looks like the entire system is well beyond the point where its possible to recover. Either the US is either gonna collapse in an economic meltdown as the politicians continue to try to suck the last few dollars off the system to benefit their corporate employers, or you will go to war to take whatever resources are necessary to allow you to fix things.

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    6. Re:Pathetic. by iceaxe · · Score: 1

      Except that most of them actually *are* crazy.

      Try this - find the person whom you think has the best ideas, and the most credibility, and vote for them. Of course, it will have to be a write-in, because the system is rigged against anyone not belonging to and conforming to the dogma of one or another group seeking only its own power.

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    7. Re:Pathetic. by makomk · · Score: 1

      The trouble is that a lot of them are crazy - you kind of have to be in order to think you stand a chance of getting into power that way, aside from anything else - and they're generally not as maverick as you might think either. Especially once the money starts rolling in...

    8. Re:Pathetic. by Yakasha · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. There are mavericks. Look for the members that the other members call crazy. Those are the people to vote for.

      And what do the mavericks do once it becomes inconvenient to be a maverick?

      John McCain's presidential campaign says it all.

      Even The Maverick was shown to be a fully owned subsidiary of The Republican Party.

    9. Re:Pathetic. by kermidge · · Score: 1

      "By reveling in their own ignorance...."

      Yarderhey.

      Unintentional or no, the American people have been derelict in their duty, since the days we turned the factories from tanks and machine guns towards cars and refrigerators. Every generation has gotten worse. Part of what I saw since grade school in the Fifties was the denigration of the slightest attempt by anyone to learn anything. One might show a guy how to lace up a glove or throw a curveball, but don't ever make the mistake of raising your hand in class. It just ain't right.

    10. Re:Pathetic. by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      They stand by their principles, otherwise they are not mavericks.

      Dennis Kucinich brought up impeachment as a possibility for Obama, for ignoring presidential responsibility to ask congress for permission to bomb the crap out of Libya.

      Ron Paul votes down nearly every piece of legislation he doesn't agree with, even when it's backed by Republicans.

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    11. Re:Pathetic. by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I saw a great bumper sticker a few weeks ago. To paraphrase: Government is like a car, R moves it backwards and D moves it forwards.

      Though now days I don't think it makes a lot of difference.

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  7. IP == Immoral Property by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can not see a moral, nor ethical, reason for honoring IP laws in the US. I've held this view for a while, but articles such as this simply reinforce the idea. Every citizen has a moral obligation to ignore laws which have been bought and paid for by corporations. Every single politician in Washington has accepted bribes and they have made sure that the Supreme Court allows them under the name "campaign contributions". The entire system is corrupt and no longer has a mandate to govern.

    1. Re:IP == Immoral Property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you should be allowed to copy a novel word for word and claim its yours?

      You should be allowed to take an invention that has taken years of real hard R&D by some small inventor and copy it and hence he gets no reward for his hard work

      Software patents are broken but that doesnt mean that there is no need for any IP laws at all

    2. Re:IP == Immoral Property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copying a novel and claiming it as your own is plagiarism. Or fraud. Either way, nobody on either side of the debate is arguing that people should be able to claim ownership of things they didn’t create.

      Your second paragraph is more like what is being debated.

    3. Re:IP == Immoral Property by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      "You should be allowed to take an invention that has taken years of real hard R&D by some small inventor and copy it and hence he gets no reward for his hard work"

      However, as we now see, patents essentially ensure that a small investor such as the one you mention could never manage to profit off his work, because he would be sued into oblivion for violating other patents. This is not a flaw in the patent system, it is a flaw in the concept of ideas being property. It needs abolished outright.

      Also, no one has a right to profit. Get over that myth.

    4. Re:IP == Immoral Property by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      I can already copy the fashions, architecture, storytelling style, business models, cooking recipes, general look and feel, and many other things that have taken years of real hard R&D by some small (or large) inventor and copy it and hence give no monetary reward for the inventor's hard work, all completely without legal repercussion.

      Why are algorithms and physical/chemical recipes and other such things different?

    5. Re:IP == Immoral Property by sjames · · Score: 1

      One should always do what's right, it's just that what's right and what the law says are orthogonal and increasingly divergent.

    6. Re:IP == Immoral Property by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Sure makes you think, doesn't it.

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      "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  8. We only need 10 percent by paulsnx2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2011/07/minority_rules.php Scientists at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute have found that when just 10 percent of the population holds an unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted by the majority of the society. The scientists, who are members of the Social Cognitive Networks Academic Research Center (SCNARC) at Rensselaer, used computational and analytical methods to discover the tipping point where a minority belief becomes the majority opinion. The finding has implications for the study and influence of societal interactions ranging from the spread of innovations to the movement of political ideals.

    So all we have to do is educate 10 percent of the population and make them understand patents are bad.

    It gives me hope.

    1. Re:We only need 10 percent by gstrickler · · Score: 1

      Patents are not bad. However, our patent system is seriously flawed, and has been corrupted.

      Unfortunately, I think we've got a long way to go to get to 10%.

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    2. Re:We only need 10 percent by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      A kidney removal tool as a concept or idea isn't bad either. But should the wide spread application of kidney removal tools on random healthy young children be adopted in the interest of profit by large corporations.... Well, that might certainly contribute the impression that such tools would be "bad".

      You can understand the confusion one might have about patents which can only remove products from the market, regardless of the total lack of intention or knowledge of infringement on the part of productive companies. Companies that actually produce products should not be held hostage to established companies seeking to limit competition, or troll companies that don't produce products.

      If government is bad and competition is good, then patents are evil.

      If you believe in a managed economy where favors are handed to particular companies to control the markets, and a managed political system where corporate cash and influence can appoint government officials to run government in a way that suits corporate interests, then patents have a good side.

      Honestly, I see no value in a system that makes a group of high tech companies sink 4.5 billion dollars into paper so they can restrict the choices of consumers rather than invest 4.5 billion dollars into jobs and research.

    3. Re:We only need 10 percent by iceaxe · · Score: 1

      I doubt 10% of the US population knows what a patent is, never mind comprehending the flaws in the system.

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    4. Re:We only need 10 percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be easier to educate 10% of all three government branches---that's 1 president, 1 justice, 44 (voting) representatives, and 10 senators? They are the ones with power, at least for a time.

    5. Re:We only need 10 percent by gstrickler · · Score: 1

      Patents weren't intended to protect the interests of big companies, they're intended to protect the interests of individual inventors. Apply for a patent, publish the info, use the patent to help bring products to market, and prevent bigger, better funded competitors from using your idea without paying you a royalty.

      That the system is broken (patents issued that clearly shouldn't be, etc.), has been corrupted by big money, and has been abused by "patent trolls", doesn't make patents bad or evil. It makes for a broken, corrupt, and abused system that doesn't work the way it was intended. Conflating the broken system with the idea of patents does not help at all.

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    6. Re:We only need 10 percent by organgtool · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't be able to hear you over the sound of money lining their pockets from pro-IP lobbyists.

    7. Re:We only need 10 percent by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes, all the lawyers and people in office.

    8. Re:We only need 10 percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No actually they are not. Please add citation to prove your belief. I do not recall any restriction for corporations although they have more lawyers and make more exceptions for themselves all the time these days....

      I agree the system is broken in particular regarding software and method patents but again please add citation as to your big company comment.

    9. Re:We only need 10 percent by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      And you are wrong. Patents are not intended to protect the interests of individual inventors either. You are confusing the MECHANISM with the GOAL. Read carefully

      To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. (Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the U.S. Constitution)

      Promote progress. That is the goal. When you have a goal, then you may use some strategy to reach that goal, i.e. provide for a limited time inventors and authors exclusive rights...). But nothing in the constitution provides congress with the right to promote the welfare of Authors and Inventors. In fact, nothing in the constitution indicates that congress has the right to allow an inventor or author to assign their rights to another individual or to a corporation!!! But let us keep our focus. Do we REALLY need to provide authors and inventors with these exclusive rights to promote progress of Science and the useful Arts? With ample corporate funding for the research to improve products, and with ample corporate funding to copy the improvements others make, progress will proceed quite happily without patents. This is because competition is FAR more important than monopoly rights in promoting progress.

      There is nothing new in my position here. Benjamin Franklin, while famous for pursuing ways to make money, refused to file patents. He spent time in his autobiography discussing at least one fellow that copied his stove invention and patented it in England and made a fortune. Did the patent system in this case increase progress, or just drop a windfall into the hands of a leach? After all, B. F. had ALREADY invented the stove, and had ALREADY published how to build the stove for anyone to implement. Patents in this case merely CONSTRICTED the use of his technology in the market place.

      And if Patents are so necessary for progress, I wonder why Benjamin Franklin wasn't stopped from inventing things and promoting progress, given that he ignored the option of patenting his many inventions? Thomas Jefferson was equally skeptical of the value of patents on philosophical grounds. Look these guys up. From the beginning many questioned the wisdom of going this route, and yet we continue down the rabbit hole as if we can't learn from history.

      In the end, if progress is what you are after, competition is the means of making progress accelerate. I know of no study whatsoever where government granted monopolies do a better job of promoting progress than competition. If you have ANY concrete counter examples where patents promoted progress, well, I am all ears.

      === As a matter of background, I submitted 6 patents while working for IBM thinking that my ideas might get implemented if I did this. They didn't, and only two of the patents ended up being granted as I had left IBM. As an "inventor" I only sought to see things made. Patents didn't make that happen. ===

    10. Re:We only need 10 percent by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      I am going to hope that citing the constitution is good enough.

      To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. (Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the U.S. Constitution)

      See? Nothing there about a goal of protecting ANYBODY'S economic interests, whether big corporation or individual inventor. The ONLY goal is to promote progress. In as far as the patent system fails to promote progress (and it does in every actual study of the system) it should be reformed if not out right abandoned.

    11. Re:We only need 10 percent by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      I have no hope....

    12. Re:We only need 10 percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the end, if progress is what you are after, competition is the means of making progress accelerate.

      Competition is but one side of the coin. A warring mantra for the alpha-male, but incorrectly stated as "the only way". Indeed, it's a crappy way of doing things. As the passives have historically been killed-off en masse, surely what's mostly left on this planet are those who revel in their killer instinct and behavior, and it permeates everything; it shows even in your regurgitation (or instinct?) of "competition rules!".

    13. Re:We only need 10 percent by kermidge · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you can still maintain hope.

      From circa '95 'til 2000 I polled an adhoc universe on the simple question of when the Millenium would arrive. Out of perhaps 500, eight or nine got it right. [sigh] When otherwise supposed grownups can't even count to ten, just what hope is there?

    14. Re:We only need 10 percent by gstrickler · · Score: 1

      "...by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

      I'm not wrong. Yes, the goal is to promote progress, and yes the mechanism is be protecting the inventors. I have nothing confused, you assumed things that I didn't say. You want to argue semantics, but the fact is they are intended to protect the inventors, just like I stated.

      Your experience at IBM demonstrates my point quite clearly. Had the patents been yours (as the inventor), not IBM's, you would have been free to bring them to market, either by yourself, by bring on investors, or by licensing them to a partner (IBM or otherwise).

      As for monopolies, competition, etc. Unregulated capitalism doesn't work, you end up with exactly what we had in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Free markets don't work when companies/corporations have the power to control supply and set prices. You end up exactly where we are today. The current model for regulating companies is completely flawed and ineffective. It's not that we need more or less regulation, it's that we need effective regulation. In most cases, that can be accomplished with fewer, well written, regulations vs what we have now.

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    15. Re:We only need 10 percent by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Don't get wound about the axle by using a misaligned analogy.

      Without patents, companies and people that wish to produce products can do so, and can compete based on the quality/timeliness/price of their products.

      With patents, companies and people that wish to produce products do so under the cover of lawyers, and leverage those lawyers to stomp out smaller, less established competition.

      There isn't any proof that competition without patents is in any way more brutal than competition using patents. In fact, there are many examples of the latter.

    16. Re:We only need 10 percent by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      intent - noun
      1. something that is intended; purpose; design; intention: The original intent of the committee was to raise funds.

      What is intended by this clause is to promote progress. There is no stated intent for the government to protect the economic welfare of authors or inventors. In fact, no citizenship requirements are attached, so we have applied these protections universally, not just to American inventors and authors, because, again, the intent is to promote progress.

      If we can promote progress better by reducing Intellectual property rights, doing so would exactly match the constitutional clause here. If increasing intellectual property rights can be shown to fail to promote progress (or in fact limits progress as many studies have shown) then regardless of how much reducing protections of IP might negatively impact authors and inventors, we should reduce those protections.

      This clause in the constitution cannot be used to defend laws that do not promote progress. That would not be consistent with this clause, because (and again this isn't semantics, but just reading what the constitution says) the goal is to promote progress.

      Nothing I have stated against patents should be construed as an argument against regulation of business. Nothing here should be taken to mean business should be allowed to do anything they want in the name of competition. Patents are assigned by the government to whoever files them, granting a "monopoly" on that invention to the filer for 20 years from the filing date. This allows companies to control supply and set prices. This is why I am against the patent system. Anti-trust laws and regulations to level the market for competition is a good thing, but that is another conversation.

  9. The end of the article is particularly chilling by makubesu · · Score: 1, Redundant
    For those of you who didn't read the whole article:

    "A one-size-fits all system doesn't work in the 21st Century," says Manheim, before acknowledging: "The problem with that argument is that it might violate international law."

    Unfortunately, tailoring patent laws to better suit different types of technology may run afoul of the Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS), a treaty that countries must sign in order to join the World Trade Organization. Article 27 of TRIPS reads:

    "Patents shall be available and patent rights enjoyable without discrimination as to the place of invention, the field of technology and whether products are imported or locally produced."

    Although other nations have patent standards that affect different industries in different ways -- the European Union, for instance, does not generally grant software patents -- Manheim said the TRIPS language killed efforts to separate tech and pharma standards in 2007, as members of Congress balked at inviting a WTO backlash.

    Drug companies may actually have won the patent fight in 1994, when the U.S. negotiated TRIPS and insisted on the nondiscrimination language. Many of the countries then trying to gain access to the WTO did not allow drug patents, concerned about citizen access to critical medicines. The U.S. wanted to make sure that its drug companies would be able to profit in other countries.

    1. Re:The end of the article is particularly chilling by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2
      To be honest, if I look at the decisions of the chambers of appeal of the EPO, I don't see them influenced heavily by the language of TRIPS. They frankly don't give a shit. Drug patents have been allowed in all industrialized nations before, and frankly, the are legitimate, given the massive development costs these days.

      From my European perspective, the main problem in the US is not patent law as such, but a insane litigation system, inflicting costs on small-time guys that they just can't bear, thereby opening to door for patent troll blackmailing. The litigation costs in Germany, for example differ by orders of magnitude. I have seen cases go to the highest German court with total costs in the low five figures - that's an amount a small business on the edge of technology can bear, we are not talking millions here.

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  10. this part says it all by lkcl · · Score: 1

    "Amid 9 percent unemployment, Congress was bickering over two check-processing patents."

  11. Re:Forgive me... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Yes. Because government regulation is just so much worse than a corporate monopoly.

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  12. Re:Is there an area where legislative process is O by berzerke · · Score: 0

    Then who did you vote for last election? Did you vote independent or third party? Did you vote at all? Because it should be apparent to everyone here that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are going to help anyone but themselves and the rich.

    I can say proudly that I have voted in every General Election since I've been old enough, and I've been voting against both the Dems and Reps all this time. I keep wondering just how bad Congress has to get before enough other voters wake up and join me.

  13. Neoliberal capitalism hits the fan by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
    "In economics, an externality (or transaction spillover) is a cost or benefit, not transmitted through prices,[1] incurred by a party who did not agree to the action causing the cost or benefit. A benefit in this case is called a positive externality or external benefit, while a cost is called a negative externality or external cost."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure
    "The process of enclosure has sometimes been accompanied by force, resistance, and bloodshed, and remains among the most controversial areas of agricultural and economic history in England. Marxist and neo-Marxist historians argue that rich landowners used their control of state processes to appropriate public land for their private benefit. This created a landless working class that provided the labour required in the new industries developing in the north of England. "

    Anyway, AC, so that is the kind of reasons you got screwed by the system, and why you are poor when your current birthright is currently about 1/7-billionth of the Earth and ultimately the same percentage of the solar system or beyond. You have a right to part of our cultural and technical capital, but you deny that right for yourself, and for everyone else. See also, on why wealth comes from more than present-day labor:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit

    And that is why the first part of this "Manna" story by Marshall Brain may well be your future (and for the rest of us, too):
    http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

    The problem in the USA, which has been pursuing regressive neoliberalism for decades, is that the US Republicans are the worst sort of Socialists, who privatize profits (Enclosure) while socializing costs (Externalities). A truly socialist country would not do that. As for your suggestion of "America, love its regressive neoliberalism or leave it", well, people can't move as easily as capital encoded in internet packets -- they have family issues, language issues, cultural issues. So most people are stuck in the USA as it goes down the toilet. The USA may well take the whole world with it too, given all its stockpiled WMDs (which is another reason to stay and try to reform it, since where are you gonna hide from widespread US-originated plagues, nuclear fallout, and killer robots?). See also:
    http://www.capitalismhitsthefan.com/
    "Neoliberalism As Water Balloon"
    http://vimeo.com/6803752

    Meanwhile, you are just defending your own assailants because they have misled you with their self-serving "mythology of wealth":
    http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/?q=node/402

    That said, local subsistence is one way forward, but so is a basic income, a gift economy, and better democratic planning at all levels of our society.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vK-M_e0JoY

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  14. Re:Forgive me... by Freddybear · · Score: 1

    Because the same government that has proved itself irretrievably corrupt in dealing with Intellectual Property will never ever be corrupted by regulated telecoms and internet service providers.

  15. Re:Forgive me... by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    Standard Oil was broken up. So was Bell and American Tobacco. Microsoft was smacked around quite a bit.

    When was the last time the government ceded control of anything?

    Corporate monopoly control exists as long as consumers, or the government, permit it. Governmental control is unending.

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  16. no need to reform, China will do it for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why reform, when you can buy cheap patents from China?

  17. Re:Is there an area where legislative process is O by iceaxe · · Score: 0

    I applaud your windmill tilting skills.

    Alas, the oligarchy has the voting masses controlled via television lies, and by this even more than by direct corruption (poorly disguised as campaign funding) controls the elected government. And they like their tame monkeys in Washington, and will not replace them.

    The system has been hijacked.

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  18. So why not a Patent 2.0 system? by Ear+Phantom · · Score: 2

    Grandfather it in like this: if you file a patent by the rules of Patent 2.0, then you can no longer sue or be sued using the Patent 1.0 system. Furthermore, you have to abandon all existing Patent 1.0 lawsuits. In exchange, any Patent 1.0 lawsuits filed against your organization are void.

    How much would that level the playing field?

  19. Simple Corporate Reform by MountainLogic · · Score: 2

    There is a very simple way to reduce corporation's back room influence on congress. Only allow companies to register as limited liability entity if they give up some of their personhood rights, including making campaign contributions. There, I fixed democracy for you. Go check out corporate personhood if you need more details on how twisted this has become.

    1. Re:Simple Corporate Reform by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting idea. But what if rich executives and board members of corporations made the contributions personally?

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  20. Re:Is there an area where legislative process is O by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Voting third party doesn't help. In my country I voted for the fourth party along with a lot of other people. Suddenly they're the second party and the first thing they did was change their platform to be much like the old party they replaced. Most of the things they removed from their platform were the reasons that I voted for them.
    A couple of elections ago the provincial right wing party self-destructed. Suddenly third party did well with a bunch of unknowns getting voted in. The members of the right wing party joined the former third, now second party enmasse, changed their platform to basically the same as party that self-destructed and got rid of most of the unknowns. Next election we get a new party in power that is pretty well the same as the party they replaced.
    Voting independent could work, it's just a shame the system is totally against them.

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  21. Re:Is there an area where legislative process is O by berzerke · · Score: 1

    I applaud your windmill tilting skills.

    It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.- E. Debs