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Are 'Real Names' Policies an Abuse of Power?

telekon writes "Microsoft researcher Danah Boyd argues in this article that 'The people who most heavily rely on pseudonyms in online spaces are those who are most marginalized by systems of power.' This comes in the wake of criticism aimed at Facebook and Google for their stance on anonymity and pseudonymity. A related article from the Atlantic discusses how revolutionary the real name requirement really is."

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  1. Easy solution by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dont use Facebook or Google+.

    Plenty of other methods of communication.

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    1. Re:Easy solution by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mass market solutions always pander to or exploit idiots. Good marketing tends to win out against good product or even being first to market. So products and solutions that target savvy users tend to be marginalized. Since computing tends to create "compatibility" barriers, this becomes especially problematic.

      The sad fact is that most people don't see the danger of broadcasting their lives on the Internet.

      So more dangerous solutions proliferate to the detriment of better alternatives.

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    2. Re:Easy solution by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Futaba style image boards are a very versatile method of communication.
      In my opinion they have a free and openess of communication, which western style forums seem to stifle.

    3. Re:Easy solution by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem comes from the fact that a lot of products and media companies have started having their own Facebook or Twitter page and give links to that instead of their own website.

      What do I see when I try to view a Facebook page? A login page.

      Way to BLOCK YOURSELVES FROM YOUR OWN VIEWERS, idiots.

      Alas, there appears to be more than enough morons who make FB accounts simply to access pages for Radio Rot or Dampers Diapers or Scandal TV. Those of us who refuse to access FB-based pages simply don't count. Firstly, we're invisible to these idiot companies. Secondly, they may be on FB specifically to catch the moron demographic, so we're irrelevant or would be unwelcome.

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  2. Simple by Improv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google is not obligated to join you on whatever your crusade is, no matter how worthy. There are real plusses and minuses to anonymity, and it is reasonable for a social network operator to either allow or disallow pseudonymity.

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    1. Re:Simple by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you'd ever had to deal with someone stalking you, you'd understand why having pseudonyms can be so important.

      Additionally, I have a friend who insists her kids use a fake name, and she has the password to their account so she can check up on things if she believes anything is wrong. The fake-name is so that nobody can try to trace them in a phone book. And they've already been warned about the punishment for giving their real name out.

      The fact that Google and other social networking sites can't seem to grasp this basic concept just surprises me.

    2. Re:Simple by Alkonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Having my real name on fb/g+ only means one thing: people who don't know me can see my profile picture. Thats all. Why is this a problem regarding stalking? If one of my real friends (i.e. those that can see anything about me) is stalking me, then I have a real life problem, not an internet problem.

      Kids on the other hand can't be trusted to judge who is a real friend and not, and also can't be expected to configure their privacy settings. That is why there are age limits on google, and your friend should probably tell her kids that.

  3. to hell with the internet by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i am not putting my real name & address or photo on any social networking website, because i know there are some people out there that would milk it for all its worth as far as identity theft or blackmail or just plain meanness to make me look bad,

    (besides i do a good enough job of making myself look bad and i dont want any help from anyone else)

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  4. Re:It's only an abuse if you have something to hid by waddgodd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So was Publius a troll, fraud, or a spammer? What about George Orwell? What about Mark Twain?

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  5. Re:It's only an abuse if you have something to hid by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then you don't go posting about it online...
    Free speech is the ability for you state your beliefs without having to worry about the government jailing you for saying it. Nothing about doing it anonymously. Free Speech is something to be valued and not used anonymously. If you are going to stand out and say something important then you should do it so people know who you are, and realize that even in a place of Free Speech there is risks.

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  6. Slippery slope by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Widespread requirements by social media to give one's "real name" are, on the surface, only harmful to those who would prefer to remain anonymous but would rather give up anonymity than the utility of these sites.

    One may simply say "if you want to remain anonymous don't give up your information. There's no one forcing you to use these sites" But there's a side-effect of this requirement.

    Like it or not "what a lot of people do" always defines what is okay and good and normal. to most people. It makes it much easier to pass laws that forbid anonymity in many areas offline and on. So even though I don't use facebook, google plus, or other such services specifically because I prefer to remain anonymous, this "real name" crap is indirectly harming me.

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    1. Re:Slippery slope by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. My non-use of social media has made me (more of?) an antisocial weirdo to most people. Facebook has redefined social norms, and even relies on the erosion of humanity's concept of privacy to grow.

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  7. Re:Yes by dward90 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It offers no value to users.

    This is demonstrably false. You can say that pseudonymity has great value. You can say that to you, it has vastly more value than "real names". However, to say that real names offer to value to users, whose goal is to connect primarily with people they know in real life, is either ignorant or defiantly stupid.

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  8. This is what Google and Facebook seem to ignore by iteyoidar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The author got a lot right in this article. The thing about using real identities is the effects are asymmetrical, it's not some egalitarian system that always improves discourse. The people in positions of power, authority, privilege, etc. are the ones who determine what is and isn't acceptable to begin with, so obviously they have nothing to lose by being identified. When we say "civility" we mean don't really mean "civility" according to everyone, just according to whoever defines the status quo. There's a reason Facebook is now mostly parents posting baby pictures and employers doing corporate promotions, that's all its useful for when everyone can see it and everyone can identify everyone else who uses it.

  9. I wish they'd deconflate identities by genomancer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I call someone, what they call themselves, and their real identity are three different things. Why force them to be the same?

    A) if Google/Facebook only grant accounts (or verified account status, as others have suggested) to people who disclose their personal identity... that's the company's choice. It certainly makes me more likely to use their service (for the obvious spam/troll prevention reasons).

    B) but there's no reason they need to publish that information for anyone else. They could then let my friend Robert Snee sign up for an account, choose his public name to be "Dread Pirate Snee" and then, most importantly, let me override his name and avatar with one of my own choice... probably Bob Snee with a picture of something other than his newborn baby.

    C) And if Rob wants to use a total psueodonym but still accept his friend request/add him to a circle... he'll need to tell me in private "who he is" and prove it to me. Possibly by *choosing* to reveal his google/FB-verified real-identity. If he doesn't, I'm not going to let him into my friends/circles... which is the difference between social network-based sites and open communication tools like email/forums which have global acceptance for historical/practical reasons.

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  10. You have that backwards by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of you are too young to remember, but once upon a time there were no pseudonyms on the Internet. All schools, companies, and organizations on the Internet voluntarily adhered to a policy where each user's online identity was easily linked to their real world identity. It was staunchly enforced by admins who believed the net would fall apart into a morass of misbehavior if people were allowed to post anonymously.

    There were a few people running their own servers who bucked the trend, but it wasn't until AOL joined USENET that pseudonyms became a fact of life. AOL allowed each account to have up to 5 usernames, to facilitate families sharing a single AOL account. Obviously these extra usernames were quickly taken up by people wishing to post things anonymously online, which was good for free speech. But not surprisingly, spam was invented shortly thereafter.

    So it's actually anonymity which is the "recent artifact". All that's happening now is that the pendulum is starting to swing the other way as netizens struggle to figure out the best balance between real names and pseudonyms.

  11. Re:It's only an abuse if you have something to hid by DragonFodder · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wrong, free speech has to have it inherently built in to allow for anonymous free speech. To go elsewhere is just as the article states (And I am NO fan of Micro$oft propaganda articles or studies) but in this case I think she is correct in that it is an authoritarian assertion of power over vulnerable people

    Two quick examples of U.S. law the link anonymous speech directly to the Constitution Right to Free Speech that I found are "Talley v. California, 362 U.S. 60 (1960), the Court struck down a Los Angeles city ordinance that made it a crime to distribute anonymous pamphlets. In McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, 514 U.S. 334 (1995), the Court struck down an Ohio statute that made it a crime to distribute anonymous campaign literature."

    If you half an open mind, you might also want to check out the EFF site and try to look at it from another point of view. https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity

    Anonymity/pseudonimity is not purely for Trolls and F**wads.

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