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Building a Better 'Anonymous?'
An anonymous reader writes "A hacktivism panel at the DefCon hacker convention was conspicuously missing its star member Aaron Barr, who dropped out under legal pressure from his former company HBGary Federal, debated how Anonymous could channel its efforts for the greater good. Members of Anon attending the discussion chimed in, too."
is channel it for the greater "corporate good"
we long since passed the greater good he envisions and you can look at how we all are treated with caps and costs of the interenet
Anonymous won't do anything productive. They're too busy trying to get doubles.
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Will try to keep it short to please the tl;dr crowd.
Whatever they are discussing, it is not Anonymous, the good old "Internet Hating Machine". Wikipedia is defining it as "(...) a group initiating active civil disobedience and spread through the Internet while staying hidden, originating in 2003 on the imageboard 4chan" but it couldn't be farther from the truth.
Check the origins and the unofficial mottos of Anonymous. "Doing it for the lulz", "Because none of us is as cruel as all of us".
Trying to pass anonymous a dark side vigilant group, a collective of Batmans fighting for justice in the shadows is part of the mythology some of these misfit teenagers would like to believe. In reality, the only thing the so called "Anonymous" is capable to do on its own volition is to troll camwhores on Omegle and to ruin teenagers lifes.
All the rest of the stuff that is pinned on them can be divided in two opposite movements:
1. Highly capable individuals, cloaking themselves in the unwashed masses
2. Naive and idealist youngsters in need of a banner to follow.
The first group is responsible for most of the high profile hacks you see, Sony being the most visible example.
The second group is responsible for all the PR you see going around, and the most likely to go down when it finally hits the fan. They would be on Greenpeace, PETA or any other of these protesting groups but choose Anonymous because it doesn't require socialization.
tl;dr: there is such thing as Anonymous, but it is not doing what people are pinning on them. There are hackers wreaking havoc and blaming it on them, and there are naive idealists pretending to be internet superheroes. The real original Anonymous is still busy hacking facebook accounts and tracking down camwhores based on the EXIF of their pictures.
Hacktivism is useless. UltraTerror(TM) is the way forward.
Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
"If you leave Anonymous because you don't agree with something it did, then you don't belong in Anonymous," Housch says.
The problem with Anonymous being so unstructured, (which isn't a bad idea) is that anybody can do anything under that brand. As much as I like the thought and the idea of Anonymous, when they attack innocents I can't be associated with them. That's off target. Oh, they don't attack innocents you say? Well you look at those massive password dumps and tell me that all those folks are "wrong doers". I guarantee that MOST of those users are regular Joes (possibly even members of Anon!) who are just trying to make a pay check. Guilty by association doesn't work for entire corporations from top to bottom. Hell, I saw a mySQL dump of passwords for a nudist colony tweeted by Anonymous. Really? A corrupt nudist colony? When you're THAT off target, that's the kind of BS that's going to be used against you. "Chaotic" is the perfect description of Anonymous, and I don't see how it will be anything but. It's unfortunate.
This is why I don't call myself a member of Anonymous, and don't see myself being a "member" anytime soon. Good messages, poor execution.
Anon does it for the lulz. Doing things for the greater good? Fucking moralfags.
Isn't Anonymous kind of synonymous with progressive anarchy? Here are ten things Anonymous could do if they wanted to really be recognized as a positive force for all of humanity:
1. Develop a manner where a person could support themselves legitimately anywhere in the world. (ie: generate legit income from fair labour)
2. Develop a manner where a person could know what organizations to support and which to avoid.
3. Help inform people about what they do that is positive.
4. Cultivate talent.
5. Grow numbers.
6. Maintain their own security.
7. Shun asshats.
8. Give and get some lulz that are positive. Remember sometimes the lulz are funny
9. Create some technologies and give them away to the planet.
10. Develop a future for Anonymous. What is Anonymous in 20yrs? Is it still an underground group of loosely affiliated people? Is it every human being on the planet? What are the goals of this group? What should the goals be? What shouldn't the goals be?
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How do you know they were members? Did they produce membership cards?
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As the widom of Facebook and Google+ will tell you people are more likely to do good when they reveal their real names. Therefore, I theorise hactivists would be more likely to do good in their hacking if they used their real names!
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Did they wear Groucho Marx glasses or Guy Faukes masks?
On what basis is Aaron Barr a "star" anywhere, much less a conference about computer security??
When your (former) company is the poster child for how not to do security, I would think your main reason for showing up at DefCon would be if you wanted to be publicly humiliated.
Quite valid points.
I disagree with all of them :-)
And no, this is not a joke. The simple fact of the matter is that the glacial speed of evolution in goverments, their agencies and multinational monetary institutions has left them way behind from an administrative point of view. In a state in which they cannot anymore supervise their own mass and activities and because of the internal mechanisms that link them all together they turn to solutions too inefficient from their inception on. These choices that are being made and have been being made since the end of WW1 are leading everyone into the same vicious cycle of approving more and more inefficient countermeasures that end up inflating them even more and perpetuating the problem.
Nature millenia ago developed a very good mechanism to take care of such mishaps, it's called SPECIATION and surprisingly it is the only one behavior our economic society has to copy from nature.
So: Sorry but everything you said is irrelevant
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The idea of Anonymous as a brand is stupid to begin with as anyone can use it champion whatever cause they want. If they can find enough other people to go along with it, it might pick up some steam and get something done. Otherwise it just fades into obscurity. For everything that's been done under the Anonymous banner, there's probably only a small overlap in participants. The people who went after the Scientologists probably aren't the same as the ones that defaced some Facebook page or hacked into some company's website. Trying to ascribe any attributes to such a group is utterly pointless.
The beautiful part is that if idiots in law enforcement try to treat it as a group, they end up watching and looking at a lot of individuals who are unlikely to participate in any one event. The information that they have on some kid who made crank calls to a grieving family isn't any good if they're looking for people who were behind the DDOS of some organization. Hiding in the sea of Anonymous makes it harder to be found and makes any efforts to determine what exactly you've done a lot harder.
When you see huge numbers of police acting in complete disregard of the law and beating the crap out of people it becomes a bit of a leap to accept it isn't the majority that acts this way.
Yes I accept that 99% of the time police officers do act quite reasonably but that doesn't make them the good guys either.
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There is an initiative in somewhat the same general direction taking place in Europe right now called ' Internet Activism Infrastructure Organization '
http://iaio.eu/
It's people from the clusters WeRebuild.eu and Telecomix.org that are behind this new initiative.
http://werebuild.eu/wiki/Main_Page
http://telecomix.org/
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I am replying to myself because I can't be bothered to reply to an anonymous coward:
dear anonymous coward: I can't be bothered to take your reply seriously, sorry.
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Stop using these asinine question headlines. It's not clever. It's trite.
Anonymous isn't a force for anything other than it's own amusement. If they did something good it was out of caprice.
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