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Floating Nuclear Power Plant Seized By Court

An anonymous reader writes "The world's first nuclear barge has been impounded while still under construction — but not because of looming safety or environmental concerns. The shipyard's parent companies are embroiled in bankruptcy proceedings, and Russia's state nuclear corporation, Rosatom, was worried that a creditor would end up with this valuable nuclear asset, and asked the bankruptcy court to seize the barge to protect it."

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  1. Obligatory. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Ship: Noun. "A hole in the water into which one pours money."

    1. Re:Obligatory. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      If you want to be able to move hundreds of tons of ship and cargo with the force it takes to parallel-park a VW, you're going to have to expect a balance in your karma somehow.

    2. Re:Obligatory. by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 1

      Break
      Out
      Another
      Thousand

    3. Re:Obligatory. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Those engines and screws put out just a bit more force than that... It's because the mass is so immense that it "looks" so weak. (eg the thrust/mass ratio is very low)

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    4. Re:Obligatory. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      They do, but you could push the QE2 away from the dock by leaning into it.

    5. Re:Obligatory. by treeves · · Score: 1

      Depends on the wind, or lack thereof.

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    6. Re:Obligatory. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      With a tailwind, you could do it telekinetically.

  2. Siezed? by cepler · · Score: 3, Funny

    Siezed? O RLY? Maybe Seazed! Or...maybe.... Seized!

    1. Re:Siezed? by OutLawSuit · · Score: 1

      I before E except after C... Oh wait. Damn English!

    2. Re:Siezed? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, what do you expect from an article that keeps misspelling nucular.

    3. Re:Siezed? by jdpars · · Score: 2

      I before E except after C... except in words derived from the Latin word "capio." It's complicated.

    4. Re:Siezed? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That is not an English word.

    5. Re:Siezed? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      True, but English is not really a rule based language. It is not truly phonetic and really needs to be fixed.

    6. Re:Siezed? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In fact, there are more English words that don't fit that rule than do. It's just that quite a few of the ones that do are common.

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    7. Re:Siezed? by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      There are 21 times as many words in the English language that break this "rule" than do not.

      It's weird how some of these sayings have come into being with no basis in truth, isn't it? I can only that society would break down if this was the case for other sayings.

      No doubt the veil of ignorance is being torn down as I type.

  3. Time for your head to explode. by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

    From TFA:

    In 2009, Rosatom announced plans to send a fleet of floating nuclear power stations to the Arctic, where they could power deep-sea drilling for oil and gas.

    There's so much wrong in that meme that I'm going to have to go lie down and hope I forget it happened.

    1. Re:Time for your head to explode. by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's wrong with that? It combines the impressive safety of nuclear fission with the emission-free awesomeness of fossil fuels AND the completely non-existent risk of an oil spill polluting an entire ocean. Best of three worlds!

    2. Re:Time for your head to explode. by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      I got cancer just reading that.

    3. Re:Time for your head to explode. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Just think of the possibilities of a major radioactive oil leak happening in the Arctic Ocean in the midst of Polar Bears, Whales and Walruses. Should be good for one or two mutant monsters, a superhero and a whole generation of Micheal Bay movies.

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    4. Re:Time for your head to explode. by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      It makes more sense than their plans for nuclear-powered zeppelins for tuna fishing, or the hydroelectric-powered satellite for mining antimatter.

    5. Re:Time for your head to explode. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      In 2009, Rosatom announced plans to send a fleet of floating nuclear power stations to the Arctic, where they could power deep-sea drilling for oil and gas.

      There's so much wrong in that meme that I'm going to have to go lie down and hope I forget it happened.

      Did you read that meme on /.? Using a computer? and internet connection? What percentage of the electricity used in operating (and manufacturing) those things was generated by Coal (which is usually worse than nuclear or oil for the environment.) Are you going to go lie down in an air-conditioned room?

      If they don't use nuclear power to support the drilling operations, they'll likely use oil - the more nuclear power they use, the less oil they will have to use, the more oil to power your car, etc. and the longer before we all have to shut down our air-conditioners because electricity costs too much for the middle class to afford anymore.

    6. Re:Time for your head to explode. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw about 10 years ago:

      Nuke gay whales for Jesus!

      still remember it, so it must have been good.

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    7. Re:Time for your head to explode. by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      And toy tie-ins: it's made of Legos, according to the photograph
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station

    8. Re:Time for your head to explode. by FrankSchwab · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the t-shirts my friend had made up and sold in, oh, 1983: Nuke the gay unborn baby whales for Jesus. Had a pretty cool graphic in the center, tool. Still have a couple in my closet, young'un.

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    9. Re:Time for your head to explode. by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      And for nearly thirty years, it had no effect on the cthulhu-forsaken bigotry that abounds these days. Not even held it constant, as said bigotry got worse. Cthonians take me, we are at the point where that shirt would be taken serious by a significant amount of people. Interesting times, indeed.

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    10. Re:Time for your head to explode. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      If I were running an Arctic drilling operation, I'd much rather sail up and start work right away - I'd like to have PLENTY of power to keep the workers warm - right away. I'd like to have a self-contained system that I know is working before I leave port. The added complexity of utilizing fossil fuels on site will increase the risk of spills and accidents- in an already hostile environment. Yes, nuclear accidents are bad (ref: K-19), but so are oil spills.

    11. Re:Time for your head to explode. by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

      WHOOSH

      The GP's point is if you are going to bother building a nuclear plant, why not just skip the oil and coal altogether? If you can build 1 or 2 nuclear plants that would replace 2 to 3 coal fired power plants, isn't that a much more straightforward path? Instead, somebody decided to only make the nuclear plant the middle man?

      The same issue is one of the major roadblocks to electric cars. "Oh we're running out of oil for the cars, lets make a nuclear plant to harvest oil!" instead of "Lets build a nuclear plant, the electricity from which will power EV's!" If you're going to build a nuclear plant, at least make it actually effect the core issue more directly instead of prolonging you running out of gas - get rid of the gas altogether.

    12. Re:Time for your head to explode. by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 1

      The point is, you're sitting on a huge convenient fossil fuel resource that can be used to run all the equipment!

      That's not really how it works.

      While I agree that glowing arctic seals are bad, the alternative is (sadly), having a tanker full of refined petroleum from Venezuela or Vladovostok come steaming the 15,000 miles from the refinery in a tanker in order to seasonally refuel a platform.

      They're not going to dump raw unfiltered natural gas from a vent into the multimillion dollar steam turbines or engines.... I suspect the hydrogen sulfide and other things in naturally it would be very bad for the equipment... It's generally quite heavily refined before use... and crude oil is far worse.... Full of all sorts of long-chain hydrocarbons mixed up in different ratios. I can't imagine trying to burn it in a remote area and maintain a reliable system...

      I'm all about 'save the whales' but *IF* we are going to be drilling in the arctic anyway, this isn't a terrible idea to consider.

    13. Re:Time for your head to explode. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Dingdingdingdingdingdingding!

      Building a nuke plant to pump oil isn't about energy. It's about money and ignoring the consequence.

    14. Re:Time for your head to explode. by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      Pulling tape off a roll also generates x-rays. Oh my god, tape is deadly!

    15. Re:Time for your head to explode. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      IANA NIMBY, but... it's a lot easier to get permission to operate nuclear power plants on the high seas than it is anywhere on land - how's that for ironic?

    16. Re:Time for your head to explode. by Hartree · · Score: 1

      "nuclear-powered zeppelins for tuna fishing"

      Dude! That rocks!

      Where can I invest?

      That's almost as cool as training poodles for underwater welding.

    17. Re:Time for your head to explode. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      add, "In an SUV" just for extra punch.

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    18. Re:Time for your head to explode. by DrChandra · · Score: 1

      Wait, you forgot the part where the oil spill is RADIOACTIVE. Can't leave that out.

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  4. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by neokushan · · Score: 2

    As opposed to a submarine?

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  5. Re:Not nuclear, just a barge by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

    It's not even NewsFor Nerds, it's just a "Insert 'Oh noes! The radiations!' flamewar here" story. Must be a really really slow news day.

  6. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    Or an aircraft carrier.

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  7. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    There are a few aircraft carrier crews that don't think it's too crazy.

  8. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by avandesande · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ironic thing is that they could have possibly anchored this off the coast of Japan and prevented the meltdown.

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  9. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by MagikSlinger · · Score: 1

    Please take me to your nuclear wessels!

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  10. In soviet russia nukes float you! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    In soviet russia nukes float you!

  11. Re:Not nuclear, just a barge by rubycodez · · Score: 2

    no, the steam systems and turbines are installed, power cabling in progress, only the two reactors are on site and not installed yet. more than normal barge.

  12. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    Or the Savannah.

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  13. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    yeah, that's almost as crazy as a nuclear reactor on a B-36, who'd be insane enough to put any money into a concept like that, or build a couple reactors for that? hahaha

  14. Re:ISR by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    In post-soviet russia, barge provides power to *you*

  15. Isn't nuclear safer at sea anyway? by mj1856 · · Score: 2

    In case of meltdown, just head it out to the middle of nowhere. Or am I missing something?

    1. Re:Isn't nuclear safer at sea anyway? by vlm · · Score: 1

      In case of meltdown, just head it out to the middle of nowhere. Or am I missing something?

      The other part you're missing is there is usually no shortage of coolant water, thus preventing the meltdown. Unless they do something idiotic with a sandbar, of course. Its pretty hard to melt something down if its below sea level. Despite the cost, I'm thinking future coastal japan reactors are probably going to be built below sea level.

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    2. Re:Isn't nuclear safer at sea anyway? by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      No not at all, you are not. In case of meltdown, unload the externalities on whoever the fuck you please and run of with the profits while the costs are socialized. The working model of the nuclear age. Congratulations for rediscovering a decade old model. Feel the loving hand of the free market shoved up your, ahhh.... well... no... feel how YOU shove the loving hand of the free market up someone else's arse and caress his prostate? Feels great, doesn't it?

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  16. The US did this decades ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These are not the first nuclear power plant barges in existence. The US did this a long time ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MH-1A

    There's no money to decomission it, but the Army did just get funding to repaint it, so it looks all shiny and nice.

  17. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by zlogic · · Score: 1

    Russia has been building nuclear-powered ships for decades.

  18. Re:How government works by bws111 · · Score: 1

    Reading problems? The creditors did not invest in the barge, the government did. The shipyard is the one with financial problems, and the government wants to protect it's investment in the barge before the barge gets declared as an asset of the shipyard.

  19. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by vlm · · Score: 1

    The ironic thing is that they could have possibly anchored this off the coast of Japan and prevented the meltdown.

    Naah the real irony was the general business model for floating plants was, we'll build a 3rd world country a plant and let them have the electricity... until they stop paying... at which point it gets towed away. This time its the builders who got towed not the 3rd world country.

    The other funny part is creditors are known for doing stupid things when they seize "their" property. Imagine a repo guy hauling core assemblies thru town on the back of a stereotypical repo lift truck. I'm glad the courts seized it instead of the repo clowns.

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  20. Floating Cities by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised this wasn't about someone trying to create electrical infrastructure for one of those libertopia floating cities in the ocean

  21. "I before e ..." by WebManWalking · · Score: 1

    My version: "I before e, except after c, or when sounded like a, as in neighbor or weigh, ... with weird, scientific and foreign exceptions."

    Note that weird, scientific and foreign all fall into the weird category. Caffeine is an example of scientific. A stein is an example of a beer-containing foreign exception, and therefore the quintessential German example. On the other hand, keiretsu is not an exception, despite how Sean Connery pronounced it in Rising Sun. (It's sounded like a, if you pronounce it in a less Scottish manner. I guess he thought it was German.)

    1. Re:"I before e ..." by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      No, it's I before E except when at sea. Which totally explains the barge.

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    2. Re:"I before e ..." by WebManWalking · · Score: 1

      Good loopback!

  22. wait wait wait... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    before everyone gets all upset (ok, admittedly too late) we should all realize how important such a ship would be after a Zombie Apocalypse. If you were the captain of such a ship... filled with recently picked up goodies and food stuffs from China... upon coming to shore in California and realizing the demise of mankind you could sail from port to port picking up the few remaining, non-zombie, hot chicks that will be milling about (this is clear from every motion picture on the subject ever made) and go about remaking society in your own image.

    1. Re:wait wait wait... by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Silly man. The captain will be irresistibly charming to the the heroes until slowly the tyrannical nature of his command is revealed and the characters find themselves outside of his trusted circle; enslaved on that very ship with the other hapless souls. Only after a charismatic call to rebellion will the protagonist lead the revolt against said captain, climaxing in a Michael Bay-esque explosion and congratulatory smooch from the hottest of the slave girls.

      Oh, and the Black guy gets killed first.

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  23. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    Obama? As long as he could filter the money through some Union and into his campaign funds. He could create several more temporary minimum wage jobs at a mere $280,000/job.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_airplane

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  24. Re:How government works by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Somebody ran a fiber line out to Galt's Gulch again. A backhoe should be around to correct the problem in the near future; but best to ignore it until then...

  25. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

    Thank you for that. I was thinking of that myself.

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  26. Re:Not nuclear, just a barge by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

    To be fair, if they stayed away from any topic that degrades into everyone screaming bloody murder at each other, we wouldn't have a /. at all.

    People will argue about nearly anything, or brutally shoehorn [politically-charged-topic] into any discussion.

  27. Floating Nuclear Power Plant? by jkiller · · Score: 1

    Just ride the wave... this solves the all tsunami problems...

    1. Re:Floating Nuclear Power Plant? by confused+one · · Score: 1

      And end up a kilometer inland, away from your source of cooling water.

  28. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by atrain728 · · Score: 1

    What, sir, would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you, excuse me, I have not the time to listen to such nonsense. -Napoleon Bonaparte, when told of Robert Fulton’s steamboat.

  29. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by IrquiM · · Score: 1

    You must be American

    NS Savannah

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  30. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    Russia doesn't exactly have a good safety record regarding sea-going nuclear reactors. 3 of their nuclear subs are currently lying on the bottom of the artic sea.

  31. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by modecx · · Score: 1

    I think it'd be more popular (and profitable) to rent these out to water-starved but well-off countries, to power desalination plants. A float it in, as a turnkey system, complete with technicians and all; that would be pretty nifty.

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  32. Re:Not nuclear, just a barge by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

    People will argue about nearly anything, or brutally shoehorn [politically-charged-topic] into any discussion.

    No, we won't! That's exactly the kind of stupidity I'd expect from the pro-offshore-drilling astroturfers, though.

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  33. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by garyebickford · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and the government still owes my family $400,000 plus interest from 1955 or thereabouts, for unpaid bills on that scrapped project. B*()^(&^(&#(*&%!!!!

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  34. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by garyebickford · · Score: 1

    Not only that, but the excess heat (efficiency of a nuclear power plant is only about 33%) could also be used to distill more water, improving the total efficiency somewhat. Then all we have to worry about is the localized salt pollution.

    Maybe they can also use the salt somehow, with some of the excess heat and some of the energy, to absorb CO2 from the air??? taking clues from the Solvay process, maybe make sodium carbonate and ammonium chloride, both useful products.

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  35. Re:Not nuclear, just a barge by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    I hereby award you one gold star.

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  36. Re:Not nuclear, just a barge by SomePgmr · · Score: 1


    Lol. As I write this, further down, we have people flipping their shit over spelling and grammar, how stupid all Americans are, Halliburton, the tyranny of Obama/unions/campaign financing, military spending, and of course the evils of nuclear power generation.

    Le sigh.

  37. Not that crazy by Keyboarder · · Score: 1

    Before everyone starts WTFing over a floating reactor, it's worth noting that the US Navy currently has just under 30 floating reactors in service, and another 70 in service that not only float, but are designed to sink and come back up.

  38. Re:Not nuclear, just a barge by baegucb · · Score: 1

    lol, you'll have the moderators wondering. Is this +1 funny, or +1 troll for funny ;)

  39. Re:where they could power deep-sea drilling for oi by jackbird · · Score: 1

    You forgot the asbestos, pthalates, glycerol ester of wood rosin, and kitten paws.

  40. Re:where they could power deep-sea drilling for oi by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Naw, you'd have to list the kitten paws on the label in California as a carcinogen.

  41. Re:where they could power deep-sea drilling for oi by jackbird · · Score: 1

    Crap, that's how I got that malignant cuddlemuffinoma.

  42. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by Hartree · · Score: 1

    "Or the Savannah"

    Naw, they were going to build one on the savannah, but the cheetahs were all radical enviros. They protested and tied it up in court forever.

  43. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by Hartree · · Score: 1

    "This time its the builders who got towed not the 3rd world country."

    In Soviet shipbuilding, barge tows you!

  44. B.O.A.T. by mjwx · · Score: 1

    B.O.A.T.

    Bring On Another Thousand

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    1. Re:B.O.A.T. by arisvega · · Score: 1

      Take a good, hard look at the motherfucking B.O.A.T. -

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  45. smart ! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    They saw this coming a mile away...ended up saving themselves by forcing the issue of seizing their own assets.....smart move, and avoids the russian mafia from moving in indirectly to aquire said items!

  46. Re:Epic Fail... by black+soap · · Score: 1

    I'm not a shark, I'm a dolphin.

  47. Re:Pretty crazy idea anyway by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    It counts for the purposes of my post, for the Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion (ANP) program huge amount of money spent on design for conversion of two B-36, and a couple of reactors were built