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Web Surfing At Work Can Boost Productivity

An anonymous reader writes "The Wall Street Journal reports on a study into productivity and efficiency in the workplace, which found that people who are given a break to surf the web return to their work with 'lower levels of mental exhaustion, boredom and higher levels of engagement.' Researchers tested against two other groups; one continued working, and one was given a break that did not involve web browsing. They concluded that 'browsing the Internet serves an important restorative function.' In contrast, dealing with personal email was 'particularly distracting.' In the end, the researchers recommended that employers loosen restrictions on employee web access." This backs up a similar study out of Australia from a couple years ago.

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  1. This just in by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    no shit

    1. Re:This just in by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      ok I have no idea how this ended up HERE, 2 tabs open, a script error, invalid resource and plop wrong article

      fucking weird

    2. Re:This just in by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      While you may have posted on the wrong thread, your comment really does stand. I mean seriously, what person who works in a job requiring intelligent thought doesn't know this? It never ceases to amaze me how many managers do not get this and spend all their time telling their staff not to surf the web, but instead get the product out faster, as if the two are mutually exclusive.

    3. Re:This just in by TheRealGrogan · · Score: 1

      Yes, and you don't treat your employees like children. Just leave them alone and the good ones will get their work done. The ones that aren't productive, are the ones you need to deal with. Get rid of them if they don't respond to a friendly reminder. Never mind penalizing everyone with rules because a few can't handle responsibility. If people have to be repeatedly told that they are supposed to get work done on company time, what the fuck good are they?

    4. Re:This just in by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:This just in by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:This just in by StandardAI · · Score: 2

      True, but most people don't think like this. Take civil service for example where there is virtually no oversight or accountability for the way time/money is spent, and for the most part the internet filters are off. If they were to poll the time spent surfing the web for personal use, the numbers would be sickening. A person who spends most of their time bullshiting is liked a whole lot more than the ones who spend all of their time getting the work done.

  2. I think we all know this... by ichthus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's why we're here. At least, those of us who aren't independently wealthy or basement-dwelling leaches. :)

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    1. Re:I think we all know this... by ichthus · · Score: 1

      LeEches. Dammit.

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    2. Re:I think we all know this... by NevarMore · · Score: 3, Funny

      LeEches. Dammit.

      Is that French for "the Eches"?

    3. Re:I think we all know this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of you experiencing the luxury of employment.

    4. Re:I think we all know this... by inviolet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, we've been over this already. Just because I have 8 hours to spend at the office, doesn't mean I have 8 hours of focus to contribute.

      I have more like 4 or 5 hours of focus, slightly less if I've had to sit in traffic on the way in. The remaining hours are for my inbox, lunch, surfing, defragging VMs, and so on. No matter how many different spins the "corporate efficiency experts" put on it, I only have 4 or 5 hours of focus per day. They should stop worrying what I do with the remaining time, there's nothing valuable there to be had.

      I think the Europeans know this, and so I've come to realize that their 35-hour work week makes sense. I didn't always feel this way. For most of my 20s I railed against it in libertarian rage. Now I see that there is no point in asking humans to sit at the office more than 7 hours a day. It's just a waste of their leisure time, which would be better spent at home.

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    5. Re:I think we all know this... by bberens · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having had "physical labor" jobs and "thinking" jobs I find I need much more breaks when doing "thinking" jobs. I also require more sleep. Back in the days of physical labor I could work 12-14 hour days, get 4-5 hours of sleep and be back on my feet no problem. I'm capable of having 10-12 hour days doing work that requires a lot of mental focus but that's not something I can sustain for more than about a week. And after that I need a bit of a recovery period before I'm back to normal.

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    6. Re:I think we all know this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your input and for bringing this productivity issue to our attention - we will now hire 2 people on 4 hour shifts for a better cost per focussed hour.

      I have already outsourced selected IT functions, pray I don't outsource further.

      Yours sincerely

      The management

    7. Re:I think we all know this... by mdf356 · · Score: 1

      Dammit, now there's another 'e' for me to highlight.

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    8. Re:I think we all know this... by sorak · · Score: 2

      Having had "physical labor" jobs and "thinking" jobs I find I need much more breaks when doing "thinking" jobs. I also require more sleep. Back in the days of physical labor I could work 12-14 hour days, get 4-5 hours of sleep and be back on my feet no problem. I'm capable of having 10-12 hour days doing work that requires a lot of mental focus but that's not something I can sustain for more than about a week. And after that I need a bit of a recovery period before I'm back to normal.

      Is that the nature of the job, or because you were younger then?

    9. Re:I think we all know this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a counterpoint to this, at least for programming. I find that if I can get into the "zone" for some project, then I have up to ten hours or more of concentration. Generally, I can concentrate and produce good results until some biological stimulus brings me out of it (e.g. "When did I last pee?" or "Damn, I could eat a raw, unskinned bear").

      I bet this doesn't hold for most fields, though.

      - T

    10. Re:I think we all know this... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Maybe a bit of both. Physical activity helps improve quality of sleep.

      Plus when I did this sort of labor it involved a lot of sleeping on the job. Ie, eyes open, hands moving, burgers flipping, boxes getting filled, but brain is mostly asleep.

    11. Re:I think we all know this... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Weird -- I'm libertarian, yet I have no problem with shorter work weeks. The shorter the better. You know, because I'm all selfish and stuff.

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    12. Re:I think we all know this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LesEches. Dammit.

    13. Re:I think we all know this... by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      It's a function of human nature. It is well documented (or so I'm led to believe) that physical exercise leaves a person feeling better (boosted endorphins, etc, etc.) It is also well documented (again, so I'm led to believe) that the more physically fatigued you are when you finally bed down for the night, the deeper and more restful your sleep. Now, pulling 12-14 hour days with only 4-5 hours of sleep sounds like a young man's game, but studies have shown (this one I'm certain of, but I can't find sources here at work) that humans actually require less sleep as we get older. So I could certainly see someone in their 50s working construction for 10-12 hours a day (provided they were still reasonably physically fit), getting 5-6 hours of sleep at night, and still keeping up with the 'youngsters' just fine. Younger people are just more resilient in the face of stress it seems, and so fare well in jobs such as those.

      The thing about any job is that it requires attention. Attention to ensure that you are doing a sufficient job to not get fired. With physical jobs, most of the stress is placed on your body (duh) leaving your mind mostly unburdened by 'thinking'. Learning to be a good mason or carpenter may not be simple, but once you learn the basics, repeating the steps become second nature and your mind takes a break. Thinking jobs on the other hand draw from the same pool of resources that your attention taps into. Once you've been thinking about a particular problem for so long, your brain eventually says 'Whoa, the hell with this, I need a break' just the same as your aching muscles would in construction. But since thinking jobs are 'double-taxing' that one resource, your attention span is noticibly shortened. Your mind starts to wander and your productivity takes a nose dive. Any attempt to remain focused just makes the situation worse.

      There's my two copper, take from it what you will.

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    14. Re:I think we all know this... by inviolet · · Score: 1

      Weird -- I'm libertarian, yet I have no problem with shorter work weeks. The shorter the better. You know, because I'm all selfish and stuff.

      The libertarian issue here is: should there be a law specifying the length of the work week? Or should it be voluntary within companies and industries?

      It matters. In Europe they made it a law in order to deal with that one guy at the office who, having no family, spends 80 hours a week at work. Management is too stupid to understand that the 80-hour guy is phutzing around for the first (or last) fifty hours of his week... to management, the guy seems like a motivated superstar, always at the office, always contributing. The Europeans used the law to shut that guy down, saying "We aren't going to compete based on who is willing to live at the office."

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    15. Re:I think we all know this... by __aavevi421 · · Score: 1

      I'm the same. When I start a new project (for me) then I can sit for up to 16 hours working. At work? I can only muster 2-3 hour bursts.

    16. Re:I think we all know this... by bberens · · Score: 1

      I'm still in my 20s, so while I'm sure it's a little of both I would lean more towards the nature of the job. And of course, anecdote != data.

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    17. Re:I think we all know this... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      I think it's amazing how much energy is spent by the brain as well. After a day of having 10 word documents open, a gazillion folders and trying to do something meaningful with all that, I am really really hungry. I can eat a large lunch and feel very hungry at five thirty. Compare that with a weekend day - even one spent puzzling if it is drowsy outside. I can eat almost nothing at all. Of course, then I get home and cannot always sleep since I've just done too little to exercise my other cells (I really really need to sport more, at least two times after work).

      Currently I'm in a bit of a dip, and after 7 hours, I'm just spend. I just went home today before the official day was over, since it was no use sitting around there staring at the screen with my mind on everything but it. The best jobs are those where you can do a bit of travel (to something other than your work, not commuting), a bit of physical work and some creative behind-the-desk stuff. In that regard my dad had the perfect job: responsible for office furnishings at a large company. Oh well, at least I know what kind of chair to get :)

    18. Re:I think we all know this... by msheekhah · · Score: 1

      Your brain only has so much seratonin, calcium, and potassium. For mentally intense jobs, you wear down the supplies far quicker than manual labor.

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      Mark Anthony Collins
    19. Re:I think we all know this... by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      Everybody's different, but the only thing that works for me is:
      1. Boss tells me "x must be done in time before y, so your deadline is at z.";
      2. My boss leaving me the fsck alone;
      3. I'm doing whatever I want to be doing, which gives me a great feeling of voluntarily chosing to do it out of myself;
      4. Shit get's done on time;
      5. Me happy, Boss happy;
      6. If not delivered I'm fscked, which results in healthy motivation.

      Is that so hard? Why must I be dominated and baby-sitted ? In fact, who the hell thought that it was a good idea to have all these stupid management techniques around in the first place? I'm not too stupid to realise what I'm hired for...

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    20. Re:I think we all know this... by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      The way I look at it, all the productive time is from 8-12 or so. The hours after lunch are (or should be) for miscellaneous stuff, boring meetings, etc.

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    21. Re:I think we all know this... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      This is precisely the issue!!! A company voluntarily determining that a 35 hour workweek is optimum for its employees, vs a government dictating that to it. The Libertarian view is that an employer and employee are @ liberty to make any deal they like, and it's up to either one of them to decline it if terms of the agreement are not mutually acceptable. If an employer & employee mutually agree to work 20 hours, it's not like Libertarians would have any problem w/ it. Only problem is government dictating those terms & conditions.

      If an employer is stupid enough not to realize that the guy who's spending 80 hours @ work is either a bad time manager, or is doing it to slip in his own personal chores that he doesn't want his wife knowing about, it's not for government to help him to put the kabash on that by forcing him to cut that down to 40.

    22. Re:I think we all know this... by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 1

      Actually the real interesting thing is that your brain only uses a couple more calories than when taxed. Physical labour requires vastly more calories yet doesn't cause near the same amount of hunger. So you are effectively over-eating.

      Some more info in this article. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=science-of-snacks-thinking-makes-you-hungry

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    23. Re:I think we all know this... by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 1

      Bleh, totally didnt read that properly before I clicked submit :/ "than when taxed" should just be "when taxed"

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      "The space elevator will be built about 50 years after everyone stops laughing." - Arthur C. Clarke ~1980
    24. Re:I think we all know this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having had "physical labor" jobs and "thinking" jobs I find I need much more breaks when doing "thinking" jobs. I also require more sleep. Back in the days of physical labor I could work 12-14 hour days, get 4-5 hours of sleep and be back on my feet no problem. I'm capable of having 10-12 hour days doing work that requires a lot of mental focus but that's not something I can sustain for more than about a week. And after that I need a bit of a recovery period before I'm back to normal.

      I think you're just getting older :-)

      Seriously though, thinking jobs are the most exhausting kind, on all levels.

    25. Re:I think we all know this... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I find my most productive time for researching new things is 9:30-11:30 and my most productive time for complex ideas that I'm familiar with is 1p-2:30p

      For boring repetitive things, any time is good.

    26. Re:I think we all know this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > there is no point in asking humans to sit at the office more than 7 hours a day

      do what I did - stand! You'll feel better at work & away from work, and you'll be able to contribute more.

  3. I got a job in IT for this very reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    After all, no one can tell the difference between surfing the 'Net for fun and me actually doing my job.

    1. Re:I got a job in IT for this very reason by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      That's actually why I got myself a job in the pr0n industry.

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    2. Re:I got a job in IT for this very reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So now when someone catches you working it, you can claim you're just working?

      Cute.

    3. Re:I got a job in IT for this very reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sup dawg? We heard you like sex, so we got you a job in the porn industry. So now you can work it while you work it.

  4. People are not dumb automata by yuhong · · Score: 2

    I think it is well-known that people are not dumb automata for a while now. In fact, I think "people over process" could apply to a lot more jobs too.

  5. More relaxed environment gains productivity by aglider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is trivially true as long as relaxation doesn't mean distraction.

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  6. We're soooooooorry.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but that's not the corporations opinion, please try again.

    -- Managment

  7. Case of the Mondays.... by sageres · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't know... been surfing since 9 am (it is 12:15 now) and being Monday don't feel like doing Jack...
    A coworker just came by and he started off with famous cliche, "So, are you working hard or hardly working?"
    I chuckle.
    We stood for the next 30 minutes discussed everything from current political realities in Middle East to the greatest newest phone gadget on a market.
    Yup that's how my day goes.
    Someone once told me that out of 8 hours we only in reality work like 1. The rest we pretend. I tend to believe that.

    1. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by nschubach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Someone once told me that out of 8 hours we only in reality work like 1. The rest we pretend. I tend to believe that.

      I was told the same, except it was 3 hours instead of 1. It was my previous supervisor so they may have been trying to get 3x the productivity out of me.

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      Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
    2. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you need to be fired. With 8 million out of work it seems only fair who should get paid. Or since the business still has its head over the water then maybe it should lay you off to cut costs and bring more value back to the shareholders.

      Either way if you owned a company and put your life savings to someone who browses the internet how would you feel? That is how you should look at it. You do not put up with someone texting on their phones at McDonalds while you wait, then why do so in the office where you work?

      It is a pet peeve of mine as I was never allowed such luxury expect at 1 job and I am out of work currently who would be more than happy to never browse the web except at lunch if I could have a job. I would feel guilty receiving a paycheck if I were not working my ass off and earning it

    4. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by AJH16 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing about the earlier poster is that he probably is paid to be available. I know currently in my job, there is not a whole lot to be done so I have a lot of free time to kill (believe me I personally would much rather have meaningful work to do or not have to come in. They keep paying me for one simple reason, my services are valuable and they get a good deal on them by keeping me salaried. If I was a consultant, I would cost the company I work for a good 4 times more than I currently do. If they find my services valuable and keep me busy even 1/4 of the time, then they are making out on the deal. In exchange, I don't have to worry about the stress of trying to find work all the time and occasionally may be busy far more than 1/4 of the time. It balances out overall, but the whole idea behind salaried work is that you are paid to retain your skills, not for hours worked.

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    5. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by royallthefourth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      since the business still has its head over the water then maybe it should lay you off to cut costs and bring more value back to the shareholders.

      Fire an executive and hire 100 productive employees for the same price as the single executive. All they do is draw huge paychecks while accomplishing absolutely nothing.

    6. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to have a job like yours. In my case I was employed by a company that focused on handling everything IT-related for small- and medium-size companies. Basically, they'd handle desktop support, servers, printers, websites, cash registers/payment processing and all that. As one of three developers at the company I would be tasked with things like whipping up new modules for content management systems, building and deploying websites (both custom-built and ones based on existing templates depending on how much the customer wanted to spend).

      The catch was that my employer charged a lot of money for the services I performed so I was profitable even if I only worked ten to fifteen hours per week (according to my boss at the time) and even if there was less work to do it was still a good thing for them to have me and the other two developers around since it helped the sales guys (made it easier for them to promise quick custom solutions).

      Of course, all good things come to an end and the company ended up getting bought out by a larger company that was only after the existing customers and sales staff so everyone else got laid off. Sure was nice calling your boss on thursday morning and being told that there was no work to do and that I could just as well go home and relax for the rest of the week though...

    7. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well thank fuck it's not a god damn xkcd link.

    8. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ehrm... So, what you're saying is you feel bad for the owners and bosses who reap the big bucks while you look down upon the worker who slacks off a bit from making the bosses and owners their money?

      So, you're a "Kiss-up/Kick-down" kinda guy?

      Why not try to root for the poor little guy (like you!), for a change and blame the rich and powerful who run the show for the mess your society is in, instead?

    9. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      Look, you either earn value for the company or you don't. Web surfing is tangential to that. I'd rather have someone who surfs but can develop an elegant design that makes the customer happy than someone who works hard all day but doesn't understand how the customer thinks and spends all that extra productive force producing the wrong thing.

    10. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by riverat1 · · Score: 2

      In my job as a systems, database and backup admin, if I'm doing it right there's not a tremendous work load most of the time. OTOH over my 26 years I've spent lots of time at work after hours and over holiday weekends installing upgrades or putting the systems back together when they go south. They pay me as much for my expertise as they do for my productivity.

    11. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Well your services wont be valuable to me if you check your facebook. How does that give me money?

      I am not opposed to someone taking a 30 minute break every now or then once a day. That is understandable. But I do see people who work 2/3 of the day and are being paid money. Meanwhile many are out of work who would love to take these jobs and never goof off because they are thrilled just to have a job.

      Buti f you paid someone to mow your lawn and they goofed for an hour wouldn't you be upset?

      I just think if someone is making good money it is then wrong for him not to be productive on duty when poor Joe Schmoe at McDonalds gets written up for checking txts on his phone for $16,000 a year. Yes his services are not as valuable which explains his payscale but still for many times more money the manager should expect more. That is common sense too.

      Not everyone goofs but a good half do not pull their own weight. If you are good at what you do then you can accomplish even more by working harder. We show up for a certain number of hours because people rely on us so this is when we need to show off. But, not everyone can be a consultant. I just think if people had a hard life finding work they would respect responsibility more and do what is required. Life sucks and life = work. Try to have one without a job?

    12. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I'm getting nervous about all the hiring of obscenely expensive upper/mid management and other highly paid people lately... None of whom seem to do all that much. Come in at 9:30-10:00, leave by 4:00, and of course have a 1-2 hour lunch break inbetween. Never particularly accessible and whenever you need information or a decision from any of them they're nowhere to be found and avoid making decisions (isn't that their job?). Company is pissing away insane amounts of money on highly paid people, giving huge relocation bonuses on the order of what I make in a year, bringing in foreigners for these highly paid positions because they know somebody, and on and on the compensation goes. It'd take me a good chunk of my life to make what these people get in a year. To top it off, they preach to us about how the company is making record sales and profit, they all get their 20% bonuses and large raises, and the rest of us get a 1% slap in the face. Org chart at the company I work for...

      Sr. Management
      Not quite so Sr. Management
      Jr. Management
      Middle management
      Managers of nothing
      Underling Managers
      Manager of something arbitrary and inconsequential
      More managers with 0 - 1 people working under them
      me

      I made a nifty ASCII org chart bloated at top going down to vertical the last couple levels, but /. doesn't seem to allow it.

    13. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

      It's not so different at my job, where the staff is all but begging management for work to do, and yet they're hiring more people to sit around, just in case something happens, in order to fulfill contractual obligations. Most of us have textbooks and the like at our workstations, and spend half our shifts in self-study or reading tech news sites.

      I do more work on my days off than I do at work.

      The two jobs I've ever had which required the most labor were a job printing blueprints, and a job serving bagel sandwiches and coffee. Most of the blueprints were duplicates which were required for legal reasons: each one hundreds of sheets of 42"x30" paper, and which no one will ever read. The bagel job serviced an immediate need -- but then, it's a need created by a hurry-up-and-wait culture, in which people are rushing to get to jobs that serve little or no useful function.

      After a few centuries of organizing societies around maximizing production, we have very high productivity -- so much so that there's actually very little work that needs to be done. But our global civilization seems unable to cope with that.

    14. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by __aavevi421 · · Score: 1

      But if you paid someone to mow your lawn and they goofed for an hour wouldn't you be upset?

      Not if the lawn got done. There is a definite task to complete, I don't care if it takes them all day and, to be honest, I wouldn't be sitting there timing them. The quicker they do the lawn, the quicker they can go and earn more money doing someone else's lawn - more fool them if they goof off.

      I, however, work hard so that the company earns more money - not me. So I don't give a shit.

    15. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      You are still missing the point. I am saying that there are times when there are no tasks for me to do. If there is work that needs to be done, I do it. However, as a salaried individual, there is not always work that needs to be done. They keep me around because they want me to be available for them when they need my services. The difference between me and someone at McDonald's is that any old joe could do the job at McDonald's, so if they don't need the job for a few weeks, they fire the worker and hire someone later when they need the man power (or simply not bother with giving someone hours).

      Consulting is an option that is available for professional services if it is only needed occasionally, but the same work that I do for about $50 an hour or so (including benefits and such, only about half of that is actual salary) would run closer to $150 or $200 an hour if they were to pay a consultant only when they needed one. Hiring salary workers isn't about how to make money, but how to save it. My skills are valuable to many companies and could fetch a high premium, but I accept a lower wage in exchange for stability and not having to constantly find jobs to do in order to get paid. The times when I'm killing time at work are times when there would be nobody working anyway if I wasn't around and they wouldn't be hiring someone at that time since they have no needs for the position at the time.

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      AJ Henderson
    16. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      That presumes there is an appropriate task for said employees and that employing them is more profitable.

      --
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    17. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you need to be fired.

      In some ways I agree with you, but as long as his boss says he's getting the amount & quality of work done that he needs to, isn't that fine?

      Plus, maybe he works on the weekends sometimes too.

      The shareholder argument works much better, IMHO.

    18. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      This is quite right - if everything is running smoothly and there's not much to be done, it's a demonstration that IT are doing their job. If, OTOH, everyday IT staff have to be on the beck & call of somebody's VPN not working, or somebody's internet connection being busted, or somebody's Citrix not coming up, then I'd be less impressed about the fact that they are there busily working on the problem than the problem existing in the first place. In some cases, the problems may be because of not doing certain things properly, but if it's a case of the original plans not being done right, it's less impressive that IT staff are now there fixing it, than it would be had they done it right originally and are now happily playing WOW or whatever else fascinates them.

    19. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but only if they're not charging you by the hour. If they are, then you certainly don't want them goofing off.

      If, otoh, you were just paying them for the job, then you're right - they could take the entire day, and it's up to them when they finish it. Unless you need to go out w/ the family for a certain party, and the house needs to be empty.

    20. Re:Case of the Mondays.... by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      I do try to help out the guys responsible for the Windows desktops as much as I can but Oracle on Solaris pretty much runs itself once you get it set up properly.

  8. Conflicted on this by hellkyng · · Score: 2

    As the guy that monitors web traffic for the whole company, I have to believe the enormous amount of time employees spend on FaceBook isn't helping productivity. On the other hand, I am here...

    1. Re:Conflicted on this by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      Of course, in the real world, there are other concerns. This is only looking at taking short breaks on the web vs not taking short breaks or taking short breaks to check email. It is not comparing effectiveness of any other area of the workplace. People learn what is expected of them to do their job.

      Perhaps management has created a perverse incentive to not work very hard? I have seen places where management behavior has pretty much convinced many people that their best course of action is to just slide by and do as little as possible, because even doing good work and being a team player brings just headaches and even reprimands... but slacking goes unnoticed.

      Like the old Dilbert strip "Floggings will continue until morale improves"

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    2. Re:Conflicted on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps management has created a perverse incentive to not work very hard? I have seen places where management behavior has pretty much convinced many people that their best course of action is to just slide by and do as little as possible, because even doing good work and being a team player brings just headaches and even reprimands... but slacking goes unnoticed.

      Not to mention companies where if you do your job efficiently you end up getting even more things to do. That is, time management is basically "get it done as fast as possible, ALL THE TIME!" which provides a pretty strong incentive to slack off whenever you're ahead of schedule...

  9. I am making this post by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1

    to create a record of my idle surfing, so that I have evidence of my productivity increase.

    1. Re:I am making this post by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Ooh, me too! I'll forward a link to both our bosses so we can both get our pay raises!

  10. Can't wait by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Can't wait for the next research resulting in this headline:

    Watching Porn and Jerking Off Increases Work Productivity (and lowers violence).

    1. Re:Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want to join us for a game of limp biscuit back in the server room?

    2. Re:Can't wait by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      I work in a sperm bank, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the nurses milk your prostate?

    4. Re:Can't wait by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      So hmmm, what sort of dividends do you receive? Some form of profit sharing paid in form of the product?

      What kind of performance evaluations do you guys do there?

      Is any form of training provided or required to increase productivity?

      Do they bring in consultants to observe the processes involved and suggest improvements in efficiencies?

      Is overtime paid for or are they just leaving you out in the cold sitting there, waving dicks around (too soon?)

      If you have a work related injury, do they send in the nurses?

      What do they gift to the retirees, golden cocks?

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    5. Re:Can't wait by Yamioni · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about it lowering the likelihood of active sexual harassment. Passive not so much if your workmate catches a look at your dong and mistakes it as hitting on her. People just gotta be discrete, yo.

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      Cool post bro, highfive \o
    6. Re:Can't wait by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      if your workmate catches a look at your dong and mistakes it as hitting on her

      - as long as she ain't hit WITH it she'll be fine.

    7. Re:Can't wait by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "(and lowers violence)."

      Who feels violent after rubbing one out?

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    8. Re:Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(and lowers violence)."

      Who feels violent after rubbing one out?

      No! It's before you rub one out that you're more violent *facepalm*

  11. same for school by JigJag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the country where I grew up, the lunch break was 2 hour long, while the class day was 4 hours in the morning and 4 in the afternoon. So you started school at 8am and finished at 6pm. That's an awful long day for north-american standards (start at 8 something and out before 2:30pm). Yet, I see an identical situation with TFA: when we returned to our class on the afternoon we were rested and had a second peak of productivity, while the kids in north-america have only one and by the time they reach 2pm, they're exhausted.

    JigJag

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    "The hallmark of humanity is the ability to move beyond sensory inputs" - Mary Helen Immordino-Yang
    1. Re:same for school by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      8am and finished at 6pm. That's an awful long day for north-american standards
      Sigh, to be back in school again.
      I remember the 1pm-10:30pm back to back with one class overlapping by 5 minutes. Good times.
      Now Working for 8:00-6:00 with an hour break is the the norm.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  12. Screwing around on the web all day by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Biased result - what they should have done was give people a set amount of time work to do, gave them the same amount of money, and then measured the productivity of the two groups. Instead, they put the first group to work for the full 30 minutes and then gave the second group 20 minutes of work, a break to browse the web for 10 minutes, then 10 more minutes of work. A break gives you more productivity on tedious tasks like highlighting every letter 'e' in a Word document? Duh! At least it was done in Singapore so we know no U.S. tax dollars were spent on such an obvious conclusion.

    How about people who don't work at all but screw around on the web all day? Giving them the same amount of money for work or no work would answer that question. I know for a fact some people will sit around all day at work commenting on their friends' facebook status, checking twitter, watching Youtube with headphones on, and reading celebrity news. Heck, I've done my fair share of wasting time, too..."Honest boss, I need to check Slashdot all day to...uh...stay current in tech trends!" (to be fair this was back in 2001 when this website was a different place)

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    1. Re:Screwing around on the web all day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about looking at people's work output, maintaining a basic level of sociable behavior in the office, and then not trying to micro-manage how they spend each quarter-hour of the day?

      This obsession with what people are doing with their time - it's the hallmark of weak-minded managers who don't know how to get what they really want (work output), so they use proxy measures (time input) instead. If someone is abusing your regime and not getting anything done, fire them. But if they're producing good work, who cares if they spend four hours a day on Facebook?

  13. recess is needed as well to many fat kids now days by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    recess is needed as well to many fat kids now days

  14. CAN is important by d.the.duck · · Score: 3, Informative

    Also, hitting on women at work CAN get you laid. Strangely it also CAN get you fired.

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    Where does the signature go?
    1. Re:CAN is important by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It CAN do both.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    2. Re:CAN is important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me, it's worth it. After you've had a blowjob in the fire escape, oral sex will at other times and in other places will become meaningless and dull for you.

  15. the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not that i am complaining, as this is exactly how i use slashdot (he said, posting from work), and i think this is true of most other people here

    slashdot would materially suffer from a workplace that blocked outside surfing

    i would further add that the articles i read on slashdot have benefited me at work, such as with the recent spate of articles covering development on the android: i bring these subjects up in meetings with my coworkers and superiors and employees under me

    the web at work is not about porn or gambling sites. unfortunately, that's the only way some management views the issue. you can walk a middle road: black list sites of only a certain nature. for example: block porntube.com, don't block cnn.com

    furthermore, if you do have an employee looking at porn or gambling from work, you are dealing with someone whose comfort level with certain kinds of transgressions at work that they are probably transgressing in other ways at work as well. meaning, blocking their web access is not the way to deal with them, and doesn't solve the problem of the other possible transgressions they are probably engaging in, perhaps against the company. keep an eye at them at least, or better yet, terminate them. anyone surfing porn or gambling from work has issues

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    1. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by lexman098 · · Score: 0

      I don't know. I see a lot of people in my office closely watching certain stocks.

    2. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by DigiTechGuy · · Score: 2

      A few years back I discovered the head of HR at my work was looking at porn on a nearly daily basis. Sure explained why he stayed really late all the time. This was resolved with a basically "don't do that" when the rest of HR and senior management were made aware of it. No repercussions or anything. Fast forward a couple years and there are a few people at some of our different locations looking at porn. Some of these were people who were not surfing but had just received email with pictures or links from those who did surf porn frequently. They were all fired without warning.

      Of course these were all lower level employees, not making deep six figures with ridiculous benefits and compensation packages, etc. It absolutely disgusts me the way some of these companies operate.

    3. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      lol!

      touche ;-)

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    4. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or ignore it and make sure their performance reviews are accurate. If they're performing, and not damaging the performance of other employees, who cares what websites they're looking at?

    5. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yup

      this seems to be the increasing tenor in this country (or my country, if you are not posting from the usa): classism. class warfare is of course the next step. unfortunate, but people denied equal treatment because of their income have to fight back some way to reaffirm the fairness owed them, the double standards

      the right has even openly embraced classism as the new "morality" for america: "i got mine already, so screw you". "you're poor? sorry, no healthcare or education for you". get your money and screw your fellow americans "i love america! (just not my actual fellow americans, they can rot as far as i care, so yeah, i guess i don't love america, only myself)"

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    6. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      anyone gambling or surfing porn from work is not performing. i's like the hilarious lie that heroin addicts should be allowed to take heroin if they can still perform at work and maintain their relationships. such people don't exist!

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    7. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you can make a movie about junkie zombies. That would be great.

    8. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you could make a movie about zombie employees surfing porn and gambling from work. That would be cool.

    9. Re:the most self-serving article on slashdot ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you could make a movie about French zombies. That would be great.

  16. This has been true for me by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can think of a number of times I've gotten stuck on a scripting problem, distracted myself on the web for a couple of minutes, then come back and have had the solution become clear to me. I don't really know why this happens but I suspect it's because I'm willing to dump where I'm at and start over from the beginning to look for the problem. Im not sure how much sense that makes so I'll put it another way: I needed a mental reboot.

    I don't personally believe productivity takes any real hit from web broswing. Even if it did, I think the info that is gathered from it can make up or even exceed that gap. I had a boss ding me once for talking to someone on ICQ. A month or two later he needed me to find some info. I knew the dude from ICQ had experience with that particular product and he was kind enough to fill me in. My boss was reasonable enough to take back the comment he made.

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    "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

    1. Re:This has been true for me by vlm · · Score: 2

      I can think of a number of times I've gotten stuck on a scripting problem, distracted myself on the web for a couple of minutes, then come back and have had the solution become clear to me. I don't really know why this happens but I suspect it's because I'm willing to dump where I'm at and start over from the beginning to look for the problem. Im not sure how much sense that makes so I'll put it another way: I needed a mental reboot.

      I /. (and other sites) and also go on walkabouts. Main difference is on /. there is a permanent record on an optical disk (I probably fill a DVD-R all by myself) in some dusty warehouse of every click and every keystroke I ever made, whereas WRT my walkabouts, the carpet is microscopically more worn. Guess which gets documented on the review...

      The other issue is that frankly I get a heck of a lot of ideas by surfing the web. There's surfing Ruby sites/blogs, which they may as well catagorize along with manual reading and training time, and then there's FB and G+ which frankly rate right up there with watching paint dry in terms of productivity. Was not using ruby at that time, but am now. Currently Fing off at postgresql sites during downtime, which we don't CURRENTLY use, but...

      Two guys goof off on the net between tasks, one learns the joys and pitfalls of master-master mysql replication, the other tries to get a date on facebook. Both look the same to the pointiest of PHBs.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    2. Re:This has been true for me by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean. I had a job once where they placed my desk right in the hallway. All day I could hear virtually every conversation that was going on, not to mention the constant bombardment of phantom footsteps walking by. To top it off, I sat next to the laser printer, so everybody'd come up and say hi to me. Eventually I got a CD player and a pair of headphones. Finally I could work in peace! My boss dinged me for looking like I wasn't paying attention.

      In his heart I think he was trying to help me improve my appearance with my colleagues, but there were times I wondered how he could have been so disconnected from reality.

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      "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

    3. Re:This has been true for me by Bengie · · Score: 1

      " I needed a mental reboot"

      I do this all the time, mostly when working on new things. When the busy time hits and I'm doing the grind, I "need" it less, but it still keeps be from feeling burnt out so fast.

      I actually come up with most of my ideas when randomly browsing the web.

  17. office environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is indeed why I am mostly here.
    However today I still need to kill 30min before I have 'worked' my official 8h of the day

    What I find more hampering my productivity however are these bullshit landscape environments. I have 40 people around with 16 of them in my close vicinity in that I can hear their personal and business phone calls, their social talk about boring stuff (boring to me) and all.

    On my previous job I could develop from home and just come in once a week to have meetings. Now I feel it's like trying to develop in the food court in the mall on black friday.

  18. Naps, surfing, restorative lunches, gyms, games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't worked in years, but I am relaxed and rested.

  19. To help you all "restore"... by stderr · · Score: 1

    here's a picture of a lolcat.

    Now get back to work!

  20. How many of these studies do we need, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    until managers actually start paying attention?

    And, for that matter, why do we need studies that prove being locked in a cave is emotionally crushing and bad for productivity?

  21. CAN, but probably DOESN'T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, it might help occasionally, but the opportunities for it to harm productivity seem more likely to occur more often.

    1. Re:CAN, but probably DOESN'T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is your empirical data?

    2. Re:CAN, but probably DOESN'T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.grahamjones.co.uk/2010/blog/social/social-networks-could-harm-your-productivity.html
      http://www.tut.fi/units/tuta/teta/mittaritiimi/julkaisut/internet.pdf
      http://content.dell.com/us/en/gen/d/large-business/employee-web-usage-policies.aspx
      http://www.softwareknowhow.info/Buyers-Guide/Increasing--productivity/126

    3. Re:CAN, but probably DOESN'T by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 1

      Did you just pick random articles from a google search? :p One of them actually concludes using the internet can increase productivity and its hard to measure how much it affects it. Another says that social networks can increase productivity but that it can make you distant to your friends and possibly reduce engagement that way. And the other 2 articles are just business guidelines with no data.

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      "The space elevator will be built about 50 years after everyone stops laughing." - Arthur C. Clarke ~1980
  22. I am agaisn't browsing by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

    If employees keep it down to like maybe 30 minutes a day and no more and are self disciplined than I do not have a problem.

    However, I am a big of the book Its called Work For A Reason by Larry Winget. Basically, he mentioned studies showed that people only work 40% of the time in the office. The rest is chatting, reading email, stretching, and browsing the web.

    In the past, I worked at crappy jobs where you could not goof off at all. My first job was fastfood in highschool. I did retail work after that too where you constantly had to load shelves, talk to customers, and run cash registers and so on. You think I had the luxury of browsing the web? Or even txting on the phone? In these jobs I made $15,000 a year. Shouldn't I work even harder if I make $40,000 a year? If I browse the web for 3 hours with 4 other co-workers then I waste a whole workers pay/productivity. Over a year that costs $40,000 in lost productivity. How is that different from me taking money from the cash register at my previous jobs?

    I am out of work at the moment and it drives me crazy to see people with lower work ethics keeping their jobs. I always try to look at it from the view of the owner and customer. If I am wating for a Latte at Starbucks I do not want to see employees browsing the web on their IPAD while I wait or browsing the web in the managers office. I want their butt making my coffee. I would then be a hypocrit to sit on my butt at work.

    People can easily work twice as hard and this recession is finally forcing employees to do just that ... well some

    1. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was doing a lot of electronics assembly this past summer for 8 hours a day, 3 days a week. It was quite boring, repetitious work. Even though I got far less work done when the office clown was around (when one person clowns around, I tend to join in), I did not feel bored out of my fucking mind when he was around, and was happier in general. In addition, I was able to be more focused when I was working.

    2. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well our comments taken as a whole are probably why you're out of work. I also worked fast food and retail making $15,000 a year and worked my ass off. I now make $40,000 a year and hardly work at all.

      You seem to be a corporate shill. You probably also support government programs that hurt you and help income classes higher than yours (what yours would be). You deliver every project before deadline, work your ass off doing it, and never complain. You also get angry that others do less than half the work you do and presumably get paid more and have an easier time.

      I've seen people like you come and go. People like you create the problem that makes the rest of us slaves. You are probably out of work because you were a threat to your manager and the low-productivity status quo at your job.

    3. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you feel entitled to be a slave than quit.

      No one is forcing you to work. Infact, go move back into your parents basement too since you wont have a job? Now after 3 months tell me how awefull those little snots like myself work their ass off and have a real life because we have jobs.

      Life is work. If you do not work then you do not have a life. Plain and simple and yes the people making more money who get these promotions and own their own businesses have a taste of the good life. It sure as hell aint free but when they are 60 they can retire and not move in to a relatives house or be dependent on goverment aid. I do not know is social security will even be around in 30 years.

      Call me a corporate shill. I will say my life sucked and realized it was because of my attitude towards work and I am very greatful to have a job.

    4. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      In these jobs I made $15,000 a year. Shouldn't I work even harder if I make $40,000 a year?

      Um... No.

      You should, however, provide more value to your employer, exercise a high demand skill that is in relatively low supply, create value, etc. People who ask "you want fries with that?" in exchange for $7 an hour should clue in that literally any idiot can do that, and if they want more, they are going to have to distinguish themselves somehow.

      Of course, your first problem seems to be that you are laboring under the delusion that life is (or is supposed to be) fair. Never was, and is not likely to become so before you or I die.

    5. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      ... your first problem seems to be that you are laboring under the delusion that life is (or is supposed to be) fair. Never was, and is not likely to become so before you or I die.

      On the other hand, one should not let the existence of this state of unfairness become the excuse for not attempting to destroy it, for doing nothing to mitigate its effects, or, worse, for promoting it as a good.

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    6. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      ... your first problem seems to be that you are laboring under the delusion that life is (or is supposed to be) fair. Never was, and is not likely to become so before you or I die.

      On the other hand, one should not let the existence of this state of unfairness become the excuse for not attempting to destroy it, for doing nothing to mitigate its effects, or, worse, for promoting it as a good.

      At age 43, I have despaired of hope that I will make a significant change in the "state of fairness" for myself, or my children. I do attempt to deal with those immediately around me in a fair manner, but I'm not taking any significant hits to the family wealth by giving it away because it is unfair that others have less. No matter what your station in life, there are always others who have less, well, at least that's true for 99.9999999% of every Billion people.

      I witnessed the results of Communism (a very fair sounding philosophy) in 1990 in East Germany, I don't think that version of fair was much good. In the 21 years since then, I have watched the United States plunge ever deeper into the "I've got mine, so screw you" philosophy of fairness, and, although I vote, and occasionally advocate on behalf of "fairness," I don't see my personal efforts making much of a difference.

      In my opinion, crying about how unfair it all is doesn't do any good, but denying that a state of unfairness exists is even worse.

    7. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      How is that different from me taking money from the cash register at my previous jobs?

      Full time at your previous jobs created less value than part timers created at the 40k job. That's how it's different. I used to feel the same way, but some people really do create more value than others. Who cares if the roadie is working longer hours than the rock star? The rock star's the one bringing in the ticket sales to pay for both of them.

    8. Re:I am agaisn't browsing by unixisc · · Score: 1

      But if people work twice as hard and productivity increases, wouldn't that make it necessary for companies to hire even fewer workers, and increase unemployment even more?

      I get what you are saying, but the McDonalds to the current office job is a difference b/w work hard, and work smart. In Mickie D's, no real thinking is required, and all that's required there is your presence, and your doing all the jobs you're required to - flipping the burgers, making sure that the next batch of fries are underway, matching the orders against the numbers, and so on.

      You are also assuming that there is always going to be work on an employee, regardless of the status of the A/R he's working on. I was a Product Marketing Engineer in a memory company, and a lot of my work used to be to manage the request of designs of new memory products for customers. My part of the job used to be to do the business analysis on whether a project was justified, and once it was, to put together the the inputs engineering needed to work on the projects. Once I was done, I was pretty much idle, unless new requests came in to fill up more of my time. Of course, I had other marketing duties to keep me occupied, but even there, once I had done my part and passed it over to the next person (like defining what the product page website should look like), my time was pretty much idle unless they came back to me.

      So like others have said above, it's not like just b'cos a person is employed that he always has plenty to do. If an organization is lucky and has people versatile enough to perform several tasks, you'll see such people w/ a high work utilization. In the company I mention, however, we had a very fragmented marketing organization and so everybody had a very limited sandbox in which both the role was limited, and so was the growth opportunities. That's another topic altogether, but it's not like there's always stuff to do. I much prefer people who browse and even watch porn to those who gossip endlessly near the water cooler - something described as a toxic employee in Dilbert.

  23. Not going to change things around here by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Most of the websites blocked here are known malware hosts, sites that link to known malware hosts, and social networking sites that offer too many vectors for infiltraiton.

    It's not about appropriateness, it's about data security. Which is, here, appropriate.

    Mind you, I rarely feel refreshed after browsing Slashdot any more. And I wouldn't hit Fark here at work, you never know what you'll get.

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    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  24. Re:recess is needed as well to many fat kids now d by vlm · · Score: 1

    recess is needed as well to many fat kids now days

    Not a part of NCLB testing, has to be cut. Teach to the test, and only teach to the test, that is all. Seriously, that's what happened.
    More recess, requires a major cultural change, not a minor scheduling change.

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    "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  25. Control group: coffee break and informal meeting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they do a control group with coffee breaks and informal meetings? I wager those serve a similar function. Note, informal meeting as in "gathering by Joe's cube" as opposed to "everybody called into the conference room to view PowerPoint from some director who flew in from Dallas". The latter is most likely a severe productivity killer for everybody involved.

  26. The people who should read this by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

    I find it interesting that the people who should read this, are banned from browsing the internet during work hours, and as such will probably never read it.

    I could name a few business and government organizations but I won't.

  27. If not the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it wasn't surfing the web, it would be something else, going for a walk to the coffee machine, staring off into space. Anything to give yourself a break from the current task at hand.

    If you get the days work done what does it matter? Unfortunately HR droids and the like see it as "You're stealing x amount time off the company, you could be x amount more productive". Almost like the mythical man month etc.

    1. Re:If not the web by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Every now and then I'll decide that I need to work harder to get ahead, so I'll completely swear off the internet for a day. By 11 am I'll have noticed that I've just been staring at the diagram without doing anything for 30 minutes. Something to break up the monotony is very important.

  28. FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI, in reality none of us have a 35 hour week... except for government employees.

    1. Re:FYI by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 1

      We do only do 40 at most though. Which seems to be the minimum amount in america rather than a limit.

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      "The space elevator will be built about 50 years after everyone stops laughing." - Arthur C. Clarke ~1980
  29. And if you turn of internets by tokul · · Score: 1

    productivity skyrockets.

  30. Planner versus Production with Salary by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    I'm a planner, mostly. I think of ways to fix problems and improve my company's network systems. Not only is reading Slashdot "productive" for me, so is sitting around at home watching a movie and eating popcorn.

    The point is, I'm paid salary, not hourly. It doesn't matter how much time I'm given, I just have to complete all tasks, period. So, if I want to show up at work and screw around on Slashdot, or Google+ or whatever, it means nothing. Either my job gets done or not. If it continually doesn't get done, I won't have a job to return to.

    At this very moment, I have at least 5 other things that I need to work on, yet I'm posting here. Why? If I get them done now, I can leave early. Otherwise, I'll be here for a lot longer. But, as anyone in IT knows, don't got changing every damn thing on the network if you don't like chaos. ;) I'll update a client after I post. I'll call a Cisco engineer when I'm done with that. I'll screw around on Google+ after that, maybe post a ICanHazCheesburger picture after that, then check on my daily backups, then load balance the VM cloud, then I might even *gasp* check out some ladies in bikinis.

    It's my job, my responsibilities, my choice how to spend my time. What time do they get from me? I've had to stay until 3am without any overtime pay to make sure email is working at 6am. Most of the time I sat watching the server transfer on one monitor, and watching Star Trek TNG on Netflix on my phone.

    Anyone who has a complaint about that can find someone else willing to do my job, at my pay, with the same dedication, and with no goof-off time*. Haha, yeah, good luck with that!

    I've had manual labor jobs, and no, the only perk there is listening to music. It's not the same, and you can't screw around on an hourly job, imho.

    * btw, my "goof-off" time is usually reading on tech, which constantly improves my performance.

    --
    I8-D
  31. Does it include... by fatherjoecode · · Score: 1

    ...this web surfing session to read this article?

  32. What complete and utter rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The idea that a thinking job is more exhausting than a labouring job is absurd. Probably a product of some fantasy world you inhabit.

    I have had programming jobs and before I worked in computing I had a labouring job for over three years. The labouring job was heavy work kept me fit and strong but left me exhausted at the end of the day. I needed to eat lots to keep up the energy levels and slept well. It was great work in some ways but draining.

    When I moved over to computing as an administrator then migrated over to programming it obviously took a lot more brain power but by comparison with the labouring job it was not tiring. At the end of the day I was not exhausted and I was able to go out of an evening without ruining the next work day. The pay was and is better too.

    The worst jobs I have had have been the worst paid while the easiest, most enjoyable, most interesting work has been the best paid.

    An education buys you into an elite club which gets you the interesting work and you get paid a relatively high amount for doing it as an added bonus. The labourers get the toughest work and the bum pay too.

    There's nothing fair about pay scales.

    1. Re:What complete and utter rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have had programming jobs and before I worked in computing I had a labouring job for over three years. The labouring job was heavy work kept me fit and strong but left me exhausted at the end of the day. I needed to eat lots to keep up the energy levels and slept well. It was great work in some ways but draining. When I moved over to computing as an administrator then migrated over to programming it obviously took a lot more brain power but by comparison with the labouring job it was not tiring. At the end of the day I was not exhausted and I was able to go out of an evening without ruining the next work day. The pay was and is better too.

      As a student I worked on construction sites, mostly doing the stuff that the full-time guys didn't want to do (like haul bagfulls of crap in and out of places). Yes, of course it was physically exhausting. But, my mind was my own. And at the end of the day my body may have felt tired but my mind was still fresh. By comparison, after college I worked for about six months doing tech support at a call center before getting a "real" job as a software developer, both those jobs (and every job I've had since) drained me completely to the point where I would get home at night, sit down and just zone out for several hours because my mind felt "numb".

      At least with a physical job, as long as you aren't hurting yourself by lifting things the wrong way and all that, you get stronger and thus don't need to exert yourself as much, with a white-collar job you just keep draining yourself every day and you can't really "exercise" your mind in the same way that you can your body.

      This experience has made me look at my currently higher pay as compensation for the fact that my employer practically "owns" my mind while I'm at work. And I'm not sure I'm getting the better deal here...

  33. 4 coders/networkers? Hey - It's a "MUST"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject-line above, & ANY coder OR network techs/admins/engineers here will tell you that much, that much I am certain of (because nobody ALIVE I've ever met can hold all the details &/or idiosyncracies the "art & science" of computing has within its MANY facets - knowing the question to ask is STEP #1, & then it's working on principles you gained via education & experience after that... using the resources the web provides helps!)

    E.G.-> Especially sites like Microsoft's MSDN & TechNet sites (same with networking personnel too on this note really). Recently, since I've taken up learning Python more avidly, it too qualifies (like any programming language I suppose does when you come right down to it).

    So, Yes - WebSurfing can "save your behind" in fact vs. problematic issues that others have solved before you have (or, @ least something close enough to where you can figure it out based on problems they solved, or units/classes they put out for common consumption...).

    * So, thank goodness for the internet is about all I can say... there's times it's saved my behind, & I am SURE I am NOT ALONE here in that capacity in either coding, or networking/techie work in computing.

    APK

    P.S.=> I remember when the net, or even rather the volume of technical computing information on it ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS, just wasn't generally widely available. Things were tougher, books notwithstanding, & no questions asked on that account!... apk

  34. Rickb928, I block out 1,569,222++ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KNOWN bad sites/servers/hosts-domains, adbanners of all kinds, botnet C&C servers, & maliciously scripted sites + those who are KNOWN servers of malware-in-general, via a custom HOSTS file I've built up since 1997 from nearly 20 reputable & reliable sources... & that # noted above, grows here steadily, every 15 minutes via a Python script system for its ongoing fortification (which grows usually to the tune of 300-5,000 per day or so, depending on the day, sometimes even MORE (I've seen it go up to 15,000 new known bogus ones in a day before for example)).

    So... I guess I just don't see your point man!

    I.E.-> I can get to a good 99.9% of the sites the news bulletins/threads here point to as sources (unless they're ones that are "paywalled" like the NYTimes are lately, that is)...

    APK

    P.S.=> I don't just use HOSTS either, but also firewall rules tables + DNS servers that filter out spamming/phishing & the same "malware-in-general" as noted above in Norton DNS, Open DNS, & ScrubIT DNS all working in tandem together & AdBlock + others browsers add ons (like WOT etc. & IE TPL's etc.)...

    Same deal, even through THAT many "layers of defense" here: Again - I rarely, IF EVER, hit sites here I cannot reach & when it happens, it's usually "paywalls" like NYTimes is for the past year or so now in their source articles! Perhaps you meant links POSTERS here post? I have the same general luck there too though usually (though I DO get more "blocked" ones on that note, admittedly).

    Did I misunderstand you somehow, sorry if so, but... sounds like you're saying the links here point to bogus sites/servers/hosts-domains, etc.- et al ...

    ... apk

    1. Re:Rickb928, I block out 1,569,222++ by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      That's at work where I don't manage anything. The list is dynamic except for the social sites.

      My mail server has deny and block methods dating to 1993. Not just blacklists and up blocks but dynamic stuff and intrusion scripts that block stuff variably. I know just ham-handed denies are pointless, but at work they also do DLP and watch every byte looking for patterns that match confidential data. If they see data leaked out in the field, they go back and see if it was seen leaving us.

      If we failed to secure our data, you would read about it everywhere. E v e r y w h e r e.

      It's not a job I want any more.

      --
      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  35. I hear you (worked for Fortune 100/500's & oth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That IF they were "breached"? You'd DEFINITELY hear it from the rooftops (healthcare & insurance data)... & from what I saw in 1 place?? THERE WERE VERY vulnerable!

    (E.G./I.E.-> I was hired to secure their code doing SFTP data transfers & using .NET (ASP.NET/VB.NET code mostly))...

    So, sure, I did MY end of it: However, WHEN I complained that "sure, I am locking the doors, but you folks are leaving the windows wide open", more-or-less (leaving endpoints unsecured mainly, the DBA & coders did THEIR work properly)?

    Heh... when I pointed it out to the network engineers (mainly the then CIO)? Man - I got FIRED for it!

    I couldn't believe it man... I wasn't WILLING to "sign off"/put my rubber stamp on things UNTIL those things were done alongside securing code &/or processes... what use is THAT, when the barn doors may be locked, but the WINDOWS ARE WIDE OPEN, I ask you?

    I think you get my point!

    (E.G.-> The then CIO (a paper MCSE type, very little experience) had setup, for example, TREND micro antivirus from a central server ALL WRONG, was not working & 6++ months OUT OF DATE no less, & systems there were crawling with keyloggers for example!).

    I pointed out tools that help secure endpoint workstations nodes (CIS Tool, multiplatform no less & highly esteemed + useful &/or MBSA by MS) to help with that, & in automating it! Logon scripts & .reg file merges + centralized group & security policy tools in Windows can automate the rest... any GOOD network engineer/tech KNOWS this too!

    Still - It got me fired, & for trying to show them WHERE & HOW + WHY they were wrong in terms of security... & because I would NOT "sign off/put my rubber stamp of approval" on a job that I did MY end of, but not the other end of it (networking stuff in security).

    APK

    P.S.=> NOW - As far as other things he OUGHT to have been doing & going along the lines of what YOU noted, about "being in control of security"? DNSBL's good stuff as well!

    Ones such as this one (pretty reliable, there are others like it I utilizing & convert to HOSTS data here also) -> http://doc.emergingthreats.net/bin/view/Main/HoneywallSamples

    I pointed stuff out like THAT too, but... Think they took my advice? No...

    However - In the end though??

    The CIO & THE CTO got fired (from what I understand, for using AVG freeware in a corporate environs no less... very, Very, VERY unprofessional, & also iirc, against the law too!))...

    Yes folks - That's what you get with "fake-it-till-you-make-it/paper MCSE's" @ the wheel out there in mgt. in the art & science of computing though... I am sure you've seen it too!

    ... apk

  36. Bookmarked by tweir · · Score: 1

    For future defence.

    Somehow, I don't think I'm alone in this.

  37. Maxed productivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I we surf at work and my productivity is through the roof. I already did my grocery shopping online, got my plane ticket and hotel for next weekend, got a toy for a friend's son BDay, reasearched latest LED TVs, movies for tonight... definitely web surfing at work has improved my personal productivity. Now I will be totally free after work. Thanks Slashdot!