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Could Assortative Mating Explain Autism?

clm1970 writes "Researcher Simon Baron-Cohen has put forth the theory that 'how we mate and marry' could explain the increase in rates of Autism Spectrum Disorders, particularly Asperger's. When two technically minded people marry and have children, so the provocative theory goes, they are more apt to produce a child who crosses the line into mild autism."

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  1. but... by jaf0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    isn't one of the major tenets of geekdom the inability to attract the opposite sex?

    1. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To break the slashdot-ism: if that were the case the first generation of geeks would never have had *any* offspring. Geeks take to coupling just like everything else they do, they either stumble at it, or become avid-amateurs until they succeed.

    2. Re:but... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 2

      Shhhh.. You're ruining the fascination created by the article. Direct quote from it: "The theory is still largely speculation, shored up by seductive anecdotes"

      I kid you not.

      Kid. Ha. I made a funny.

    3. Re:but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's only true during high school and college, strangely enough when the 6 digit salary starts rolling in your average geeks attractiveness coefficient increases by 2 orders of magnitude.....

      Obviously I'm not suggesting correlation implies causation but never the less.

    4. Re:but... by j-pimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's only true during high school and college, strangely enough when the 6 digit salary starts rolling in your average geeks attractiveness coefficient increases by 2 orders of magnitude.....

      Obviously I'm not suggesting correlation implies causation but never the less.

      To be honest, I think at some point geeks are put in a situation where they want to become social around that salary level. They enter the work force with jobs that accept them for who they are and a sort of Peterson Principle thing happens when they get promoted to senior guy. Their incompetent at the interfacing and mentoring thing, except they actually want to do them since they actually respect the more technical project managers, and care about showing the young-ins the ropes, so they learn to be competent at them. As a side effect of this, and also being older and more confidant because they care less about being awkward. As a nice side effect of all this, the ladies that are initially attracted to geeks for their money find their personalities worth sticking around for.

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    5. Re:but... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's working under the assumption that autistics and homosexuals have no value to society, and should be eradicated. I don't think that is the case.

      Of course you're right.

      Whereas, Apple fanboys...

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    6. Re:but... by kyrsjo · · Score: 2

      I dunno how it is in your corner of the world, but in mine there are geeks of both sexes... And as the summary says, similar people are often attracted to each other :)

  2. Publicity whore for a "scientist" by x_IamSpartacus_x · · Score: 5, Interesting
    FTFA

    The theory of "assortative mating" was first put forth by neuroscientist Simon Baron-Cohen, a leading autism researcher and something of a rock star in the field. He's the first cousin of comedian Sacha Baron Cohen, and like his cousin, his prolific work tends toward the out-of-the-box. Combine that with his outspokenness — uncommon for a scientist — and it's clear why at a recent international conference in San Diego, he was "frequently mobbed by fellow attendees and treated with near universal adulation," Warner writes.

    I don't have proof but this guy looks and sounds like he's just putting for a controversial theory to be controversial and get his name in the papers. I wouldn't give much credit here.

    1. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by TobiasTheCommie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Simon Baron-Cohen has made many a theory on the etiology of Autism. And all of them have fallen by the way side.

      I don't understand why he is regarded as a scientist since he keep coming out with these stupid ideas.

      A few years ago it was a "Too neanderthal brain". Then a few years later it was "Too much male hormone in the uterus". And now it is is this. *sigh*

      He comes up with one idea, and once that is shown to be false, he just throws a new one out there.

      As a professional in this area. And as someone with autism. I totally disregard anything and everything he has to say.

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    2. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So he can only be regarded as a scientist if he puts forth ideas that check out. I don't think you understand how science works (Observe, theorize, test, repeat.) His contribution so far: We know some things that do not cause autism and we have more things to test.

    3. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by samkass · · Score: 2

      Besides, other *actual* research seems to contradict his theory. Siblings have a 25% greater chance of having autism than unrelated people if one is diagnosed, and identical twins have 50% greater... but fraternal twins have a 33% greater chance. That's pretty much a dead ringer proof that it is a mix of both genetics and environment-- otherwise fraternal twins would have exactly the same chance as non-twin siblings.

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    4. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      Siblings have a 25% greater chance ... fraternal twins have a 33% greater chance. That's pretty much a dead ringer proof that it is a mix of both genetics and environment

      Not proof... it could also have to do with the environment of the sperm, which might change in the months or years between non-twin siblings.

    5. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by TobiasTheCommie · · Score: 2

      I agree for there to be science you have to come up with a lot of hypothesis.
      Some of these will be promoted to theories.
      Some of these will not be falsified.

      So just because you'r hypothesis/theory fails at one of these points, it doesn't mean that you aren't a scientist, or you shouldn't be allowed to come up with something new. Of course not.

      There are people who claim that watching to much TV causes autism. Or mothers not showing enough emotion cause autism. Or vaccinations cause autism. (All of these are false btw)

      So, if one person keeps coming up with bad ideas, at some point he should sit down and say to himself. "Ok, before i start pushing this to the media, etc. i'm going to see if i can falsify this... etc."

      At some point enough is enough. I don't see him as being much better than Wakefield(He is better in that he hasn't consciously and on purpose falsified data to earn money, which Wakefield did. But his theories are no better).

      A lot of people are doing real research into what causes autism. And what Simon Baron-Cohen is doing has (thus far) not been even close to useful.

      Simon Baron-Cohen (And the people who go all crazy with vaccinations) are distracting and removing resources from the areas where real work is being done.

      I stand by what i said, as referring specifically to Simon Baron-Cohen. Not to scientist in general.

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    6. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by SecurityGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I see your point, but the counter is that a scientist puts forth ideas with some merit and actually tests them. If you just toss ideas out into the world, you're not a scientist, you're a philosopher. If you just toss ideas out into the world without any regard to reasonableness, you're a crackpot or a crank. For example, if you postulate that long ago some powerful being threw a bunch of people into volcanoes and that those souls or whatever now plague mankind and are responsible for every bad thing that happens to you, you are not a scientist.

    7. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that's how I read it too. I get pissed off when scientific ideas, even improbable ones, get dismissed though an ad hominem attack on the scientist. Either we're talking about evidence and so science, or we're just reading the tabloids. The distinction should remain clear.

    8. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by rssrss · · Score: 2

      Actually, he trying to prove that he is funnier than his cousin.

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    9. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by TobiasTheCommie · · Score: 2

      Yes, but all Simon Baron-Cohen's hypothesis are just variants on the same idea.

      "It happens in utero. for THIS reason"

      Ehm, no it doesn't

      "Ok, then it happens in utero for THIS reason"

      Ehm, no it doesn't

      "ok, well, what about in utero for THIS reason"

      He doesn't change his idea. All he does is pop up every few years with a slight tweak on what has already been disproven. (Again, this can be valid. But in his case it just... isn't).

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    10. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by bitt3n · · Score: 2

      As a professional in this area, and as someone with autism, I note with interest that the number of words containing a prime number of vowels that Baron Cohen has used in his collective writings a prime number of times is also a prime number.

    11. Re:Publicity whore for a "scientist" by TobiasTheCommie · · Score: 2

      He should have discarded this idea already. The problem is that he doesn't discard them.

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  3. So by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So we should cause cheerleaders to date nerds, and football players fangirls? Maybe no one who can name all eleven doctors should be allowed to marry at all, but rather should be put full time to impregnating Olympic athletes?

    I like the idea that Aspergers is associated directly with intelligence. I also like the whorish way that the paper's author plays with the concept of eugenics to get more hits.

    I also like the way that the author tries to ignore environmental conditions such as increased urbanization and subsequent hyper-socialization.

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    1. Re:So by tloh · · Score: 2

      My nephew started exhibiting traits consistent with being on the autism spectrum at around 3/4 years of age. He has siblings and cousins who were raised together and are not autistic. His parents are competent, dedicated, and hard-working folks who do not deserve your criticism. These days, the autism diagnosis can be made considerably before bad parenting can have a measurable effect on a child's development. It has been scientifically demonstrable that autism is a real biological condition that deserve medical attention and serious study. You are advised to seek a more informed perspective.

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    2. Re:So by pspahn · · Score: 2

      Autism is a very well defined diagnosis and you can't be just a little autistic.

      Sure you can. That's why it's called the Autism Spectrum and systems like CARS (Childhood Autism Rating Scale) exist.

      The diagnosis for Autism might be boolean, but there are many other diagnoses that might not be Autism but remain on the Autism Spectrum.

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    3. Re:So by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

      So where's the women gymnastics team?

      Well, the average age of an Olympic gymnast is 18, and the Olympics is next year, so I'd say they're going into 10th, 11th, or 12th grade right about now. Unless you mean the Chinese team. They're entering middle school about now.

  4. Any science behind this? by Xentan · · Score: 2

    I read the article, but could not find anything. Is it just his speculation? It sounds, and I use this word lightly, plausible as a thought experiment. Question is, is it just that?

    I am diagnosed with AS and I am always interested in science behind it.

    1. Re:Any science behind this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Matte monitors are less reflective. You should consider upgrading.

  5. Old news - Wired already has discussed this by Insightfill · · Score: 5, Informative
    This has been SO covered before.

    Does TFA add anything new?

  6. "Results are preliminary" by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Or so the article states. But, having read the article, the "results" are actually more speculation than anything else (and one line in the article says as much). He hasn't really studied it, he just thinks he's seen some evidence and decided to say so.

    Now to pull some criticism out of my nether regions (gotta match the story for scientific rigor)... based on my observations, this seems like groundless speculation. Looking at all the couples I know socially, none of them are in the same field. Broadening the search to people of whom I'm aware... maybe a total of two couples are in the same/similar fields; so I have a hard time believing this hypothesis will turn out to have any significant basis in fact.

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  7. yeah, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    we all know autism/aspegers is caused by vaccines....

  8. Diagnosis Criteria by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Increasing rates in Autism are due to the ever expanding classification system of the DSM. Behaviour that was previously not included in the 'diagnosis' (qualifications, if you prefer) are now included.

    You could read Jon Ronson's Psychopath Test for a small insight into the way the people behind the categorisation process simply make shit up and grow the criteria for inclusion to a category like they're pulling rabbits out of a hat stuffed with millions of rabbits.

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    1. Re:Diagnosis Criteria by tomhudson · · Score: 2

      You could read Jon Ronson's Psychopath Test for a small insight into the way the people behind the categorisation process simply make shit up and grow the criteria for inclusion to a category like they're pulling rabbits out of a hat stuffed with millions of rabbits.

      Of course they're doing this - it's entirely expected behaviour. After all, the more people they can mis-diagnose, the more $$$$.

      They have to make up for all the revenue they lost with previous false claims that ulcers were caused by a neurosis or stress, that gays and lesbians are sick and can be cured, that cross-gender behaviour in children can be cured by physically and psychologically abusing kids and calling it "reparative therapy".

      Money, money, money, always money, it's a rich shrinks world.

  9. The answer is in the pudding by poofmeisterp · · Score: 2

    Quote from article: "The theory is still largely speculation, shored up by seductive anecdotes about Asperger's appearing unusually commonly in MIT alums and their children..."

    Let us know when you have more than speculation and we will be quite interested.

    By the way, I was diagnosed with Asperger's so this isn't a troll post. Theory becoming something that gets peoples' minds moving in a direction that can cause false categorization of ideas is normal but not newsworthy.

    Actually, yeah, it is. Fear, panic, and fascination keep the money flowin' :)

  10. The beautiful thing about Asperger's Syndrome. by Apuleius · · Score: 2

    Under the Americans With DIsabilities Act, Asperger's Syndrome is a get-out-of-stupid-corporate-team-building-activity-free card.

    Now just try to claim, without giggling, that you're not tempted to go out and get diagnosed.

  11. Re:well... by seven+of+five · · Score: 3, Funny

    if you have ENOUGH geeks just sitting around, something's BOUND to happen. Even by accident. Probability, man.

    Quantum tunnelling?

  12. Re:It stands to reason by geekoid · · Score: 2

    " I am only really into girls on the spectrum who are hyper intelligent and 'nerdy' which in a lot of ways is all being an aspie is"

    No it isn't, and in fact being 'aspie'* does not mean more intelligent.. but please, go on.

    Oh, and then you diagnose others based on opinion in a non science setting. interesting, please go on.

    "It Psychology as a whole has only been around about a hundred years," This falls under neurology, but please, stop.

    You are clueless about what you are talking about.

    We are just recognizing it and being able to diagnose it properly. The evidences is strong it genetic; but this article is nothing but speculation and musing.

    *Shortening a name like that is derogatory. I know that may not make sense to you, but it is.

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  13. Re:well... by publiclurker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

  14. Well that explains it. by publiclurker · · Score: 2

    The world is round here, no corners.

  15. Re:well... by RoboJ1M · · Score: 2

    So, put enough geek boys and and enough geek girls in a room and you produce Shakespeare?