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There's Been a Leak At WikiLeaks
adeelarshad82 writes "German paper Der Freitag claims it has uncovered a batch of online unredacted diplomatic cables that came from WikiLeaks. Editor Steffen Kraft said he found a 'password protected csv file' that contained a 1.73GB cache of diplomatic cables from WikiLeaks. Its pages contained 'named or otherwise identifiable "informers" and "suspected intelligence agents" from Israel, Jordan, Iran, and Afghanistan.'"
Is that based on the honor system?
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Information wants to be free. Isn't it time for someone to simply leak every bit of every document they can get their hands on? Screw protecting information: that's censorship and therefore suppression of freedom. Publish everything and let the chips fall as they may.
In light of the sensitive nature of the information, Der Frietag has not published these documents, nor provided proof of their existence, but Der Spiegel, another German paper, has chimed in to confirm that they're real.
So ... how does one validate - a "Leak" of a "Leak" in this case?
Dial up the CIA - and ask - "So is Mr Bond really an agent for you guys?"
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Scooter Libby got away with treason, why shouldn't Manning?
Der Freitag is associated with Daniel Domscheit-Berg (DDB) and the OpenLeaks project. I find it curious that Der Freitag "discovered the file on the internet" right when DDB has been making an ass of himself by deleting thousands of documents leaked by whistleblowers, and at a notable point of his campaign to discredit Wikileaks.
I think it's wonderful that WikiLeaks lampoons people of wealth and power, but most intelligence sources are likely poor fuckers like you and me who are just trying to rid their countries of tyranny or terrorists. Posting their real names on the web subjects them and their loved ones to gruesomely violent reprisals.
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You are one of many who has repeated the misconception that "information wants to be free" was intended to include information that can be used only to commit fraud using the identity of another.
Personally? Is there some other way of thinking? Impersonally, I think you are insane.
Let us know those names. Those people named in those documents KNOW us, but we dont know them. see. there is something wrong with that.
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Personally? Is there some other way of thinking? Impersonally, I think you are insane.
I think similar thoughts when I hear sentences that start with "Honestly". I want to cut off the speaker and tell them, no no, I was looking for a good lie.
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I'm registering http://www.wikileaksleaks.org/ as we speak! ;-)
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I think the point is that he's not stating this as what /should/ or /aught/ to happen generally, just what he'd do were he "the decider."
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Maybe someone will take it upon themselves kill these bastards.
Presumably, the person(s) who leaked the info to Wikileaks had no compunction about protecting the identities of the people named in the doc cache. Why leak the stuff in the first place if you were concerned that people could be identified? Wikileaks should release the raw data (after verification of authenticity) and let the media go to the trouble of redacting names.
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I love your black and white world where since we tortured, we always tortured, and every piece of information collected was put to use for that. The point the OP was making was that those things are not true, most of them are just trying to stop the people who are torturing, murdering and terrorizing the people in their communities. But it's so easy for you to judge them, having never even begun to approach their situation.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
I checked out your link and it confirmed what I suspected to be true all along!!!! GoDaddy and Oil Change Coupons are the fuckers providing all of this sensitive info to wiki leaks. Let's go lynch them.
To see whether or not Mr. Assange and others will feel the least bit remorseful for the deaths of these informers or their families... Or perhaps some poor bloke that just has the same name.
Someone who had enrolled in CIA, participated in setting up of torture facilities in client countries, tortured or assisted in torture or kidnapped people to be tortured or provided information for those people to be kidnapped and .... i cant continue typing this shit. you get my idea. anyone who willingly enrolled and kept perpetuating that kind of shit, cannot be named as 'poor fuckers like you and me'.
In the intelligence world, "agents" are the locals of a country that work for a foreign intelligence service. As in, "poor fuckers like you and me" who for some reason or another have decided that working with a foreign government is the right thing to do. Those people in the CIA that set up the rendition programs are not "agents". Unless, of course, they were working for another government at the time. These terms actually have a legal connotation.
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"There has been no 'leak at WikiLeaks'. The issue relates to a mainstream media partner and a malicious individual."
I love statements including "honestly" -- it almost always marks a lie. This is tremendously more informative than the truth, provided you already know it. Lies can run in so many different directions and reveal the liars mind. So, yes, yes, I was looking for a good lie.
Congrats. You have no idea about intelligence gathering or the intelligence cycle. But you sure can spell torture and shit. Kudos, now stare upon your college dipolma with pride.
I heard you like leaks, so I put a leak in your leak so you can destroy civilization while you free the Arab masses!
This explains why the US is all over this. Manning outed spies, which is considered treason and is punishable by death. Personally, I think that we should put manning and W Bush on the firing platform.
You mean because Bush('s administration) committed the same act of treason?
shut up traitor, or Dick Cheney'll shoot you in the face!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Except that's mostly not what happens. Sure, there's a few assholes out there who take advantage, there always are. Most of these people are simply reporting things like "I can't be certain, but I'm pretty sure Ali down the street is planting all those bombs that are killing your soldiers and my neighbors indiscriminately." You see, mostly US soldiers aren't out to randomly and indiscriminately arrest and torture people. Yes, yes, bad shit happened, people abused their positions, it was all over the news and I'm not defending it. There's no excuse for the scum bags that use a war as an excuse for thrill murders, or treat prisoners like dogs. Unhappily they exist, happily they aren't nearly as common as you seem to think.
I spent a year in Iraq. We dealt with these informers regularly. We verified and double checked everything they told us, because that's our responsibility. We caught some people trying to to settle scores or cause trouble. We also caught people with the information we were given. People that did some truly horrifying things. Not just to our guys, to their neighbors and countrymen. At the time I was over there, the bombs killed civilians as often or even more often than they killed soldiers. These days the balance has shifted even farther. The majority of casualties for these types of attacks are civilians.
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That Wikileaks is far too important to keep as it is and as it has been run. It needs to be fully decentralized and immediate, no delays, no central control, no waiting for slow news days, etc. A truly decentralized and secure system with checks and balances and that is it.
Now there is so much confusion and doubt. Is this an agent, is there an agenda, is this a real breach or manufactured, etc? Wikileaks is simply doing the same thing that news organizations and governments do at this point and it serves no purpose... in fact it hurts the entire cause. I have been saying this same thing for years any time Wikileaks comes up in the news and it is almost universally met with negativity and people claiming Wikileaks is perfect the way it is. It isn't and we are toying with something very important and crucial to all of us, true freedom and information.
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Its a leakception!
According to what i understand: The leak is confirmed (1) independently and also by one of the WL partners (4), which claimes it was in relation to Daniel Domscheids Bergs (DDB) return of this data and a human error on the side of wikileaks which resulted in a password and the data being published. It has been known to insiders for some time, claims a known german tech Journalist who wrote (3) in a comment to (1), direct link to his commen (6). Several of these suggest that the handling of the data which was returned by DDB to Wikileaks and the uncontrolled release of the data an password were the reasons for DDB to destroy the remaining WL data instead of returning it. Other sources claim he is wrong.
(1) http://netzpolitik.org/2011/leck-bei-wikileaks-bestatigt/
(2) https://netzpolitik.org/2011/leck-bei-wikileaks/
(3) http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/34/34398/1.html
(4) http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,782923,00.html
(5) http://www.golem.de/1108/85993.html
(6) http://netzpolitik.org/2011/leck-bei-wikileaks-bestatigt/#comment-434548
Somebody should start up MetaLeaks.
wikileaks: dead in the water, not accepting new leaks and also publishing none of the ones they have, those are in Assanges 'insurance' file which means what someone leaked possible at risk to their life is now abused by that asshat.
openleaks: strange things happening and even if all the dirt flung at them is being discredited, unlikely that they'll gain any traction.
disregard them both, start a new site to accept and disseminate leaks.
This is just straw-man bullshit meant to smear WikiLeaks. Think about it. What is WikiLeaks entire purpose:TO LEAK INFORMATION. These people are trying to say WikiLeaks is bad because this information was released without being properly redacted (censored) of sensitive information. I.e, it would pass the CIAs own morality test. (ahem) But properly protecting all the spies and informants who are serving the US government ISNT REALLY A CONCERN OF WIKILEAKS, Wikileakss prime concern re: security should be the anonymity and security of THEIR OWN SUBMITTERS (who are the ones revealing the secret information about informers, and who should bear the moral responsibilty for that) This is besides the fact that at this point, the #1 likely SOURCE for this is Daniel Domsheit-Berg, who had issues with WL over their alleged lack of security, yet he has yet to create a more secure system, and I have yet to hear of one whistle-blower/leaker who was compromised because of lack of security on WLs end of things (as opposed to their own problems, as with the US Army leaker who was entrapped by the Wired magazine / government intelligence associated people), even though you can be sure the US and other government would love to violate these leakers security. Please, WIkileaks: release more unredacted leaks, especially the top-secret ones that you are still holding onto.
Manning didn't get away with treason, why should Scooter Libby?
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Who is the most famous fictional agent at MI6?
Did you say James Bond? Or maybe George Smiley? You'd be wrong. They were both officers in the intelligence service. Intelligence sources, "agents", are "poor fuckers like you and me".
Smear? WikiLeaks is nothing but a gang of criminals. Fuck every single one of them, and the idiots who support them.
I'd love to know how they can prove that they came from wikileaks, and were not just put somewhere on the internet by either a) US Govt. or B) Daniel Dooshberg to provide "evidence" of the leaks endangering lives.
There is a good reason why diplomatic cables are usually kept secret.
One must weigh the cost of keeping secrets against the cost of exposing corruption.
Would you prefer a world where wikileaks never existed, and the Arab Spring never happened?
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
While information does want to be free, this is going to get some very good people killed. You know, there are some really evil people out there and it is up to someone to keep track of them. Sometimes that function falls on the people being exposed here.
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'Came from' not 'leaked by'.
Where is the White House outrage over these leaks? There is none, so the White House is OK with it - which makes sense if the purpose is to discredit WikiLeaks.
Had access to certain cables just like The Guardian. They do not have the password to the file insurance.aes
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Bank of America using Private Intel Firms to Attack Wikileaks
2011-02-02
In a document titled "The WikiLeaks Threat" three data intelligence companies, Plantir Technologies, HBGary Federal and Berico Technologies, outline a plan to attack Wikileaks. They are acting upon request from Hunton and Williams, a law firm working for Bank of America. The Department of Justice recommended the law firm to Bank of America according to an article in The Tech Herald. The prosed attacks on WikiLeaks according to the slides include these actions:
*Feed the fuel between the feuding groups. Disinformation. Create messages around actions of sabotage or discredit the opposing organizations.
*Submit fake documents and then call out the error.
*Create concern over the security of the infrastructure. Create exposure stories. If the process is believed not to be secure they are done.
*Cyber attacks against the infrastructure to get data on document submitters. This would kill the project. Since the servers are now in Sweden and France putting a team together to get access is more straightforward.
*Media campaign to push the radial and reckless nature of WikiLeaks activities. Sustain pressure. Does nothing for the fanatics, but creates concern and doubt among moderates.
*Search for leaks. Use social media to profile and identify risky behavior of employees.
It's one thing to post incriminating government documents detailing fraud and corruption. But not destroying information about intelligence operatives and informants? Exposing those names puts risk to careers, hell the very lives of the operatives, their families and friends, and finally it can subvert a country's intelligence operation. WikiLeaks has no business with these docs. This is sick, wrong, and has nothing to do with the "information is free" philosophy.
Interesting that Wiki leaks is revealing (or has revealed) state secret information on countries trying to be democratic like Israel, Jordan, Iran, and Afghanistan.
But countries that blatantly ignore or have questionable human right policies seem to get a pass.
How can you like these guys?
Thanks for the heads up!