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Laptops In the Classroom Don't Increase Grades

blitzkrieg3 writes "Classrooms all around the country are being fitted with one to one laptop programs, networking hardware, digital projectors, and other technology in order to stay competitive in the 21st century. Kyrene school district spent $3 million modernizing their classrooms. The problem? The increase in spending doesn't lead to an increase in test scores. Policy makers calling for high tech classrooms, including former execs from HP, Apple, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, want to increase technology investment despite the results. Others are not so sure, or think it is an outright waste of money."

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  1. Work and study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the only thing that contributes to increase student grades. Technology is just a tool, not a means.

    1. Re:Work and study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correct. Some problems can be solved by throwing money at them. People tend to think of kids the same way. With kids, the best tools are hands-on time, interest, and patience. Having access to a computer is required. Having one on their person(s) at all times is not.

    2. Re:Work and study by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The tests used today are a legacy of the past where knowing details was the focus of education. I'd much rather employ someone who knew how do do computer assisted research or build a spread sheet to calculate unit costs than someone well versed in memorized facts that are obsolete as soon as you walk out of the test hall.

      That's not what you get. They're not teaching statistics and why you might want to use a pivot table.

      They're teaching Powerpoint.

      Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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    3. Re:Work and study by aix+tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To quote from Takahata's "My Neighbors the Yamadas":

      Mother and Father doing the month's budget.

      Mother: We have to have 300 for the tutor for Noboru. (13 year old son)
      Father: What??? Give me 200, and I tutor him myself!
      Grandmonter: I'll to it for 150!
      Noboru: Just give me 100, then I promise to study harder.

    4. Re:Work and study by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Learning how to think, being well rounded, and having a solid fundamental base (you know, doing things with a pencil and paper and calculating in one's head), makes learning a spreadsheet or computer research trivial. You're advocating tool use as a higher endeavor, and I don't think you meant to.

      Jutland isn't the end-all point of the matter... providing a rounded portfolio of knowledge and the ability to think critically, analyze things and solve problems is. And no fact of history is ever obsolete. :)

      Learning a spreadsheet in school is obsolete when the next version of Office comes out anyway.

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  2. Re:Well duh by Pete+Venkman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great idea! Little Johnny is failing math, but he can tweet like a motherfucker now!

  3. It's just a tool. by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Computers by themselves are not magic teachers. They wont replace quality teachers but they can with proper application assist in education. I think most of the problem with computers in school is that people have the wrong expectations. It's just a tool. Like any tool you have to know how to use it properly and what it can and can not do.

    1. Re:It's just a tool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a public school teacher who teaches students to certify in IT, I can point to some problems:

      1) Teachers don't know how to properly use the technology.
      2) The technology distracts students from classroom content.
      3) Schools generally fail to filter out distracting content. Most students know how to use Ultrasurf, and proxies to bypass lame block lists.
      4) There is little engaging educational content available for the technology. The major exceptions are Cisco Academy and Khan Academy.
      5) Most of what we teach to students is useless crap. We need to step back analyze educational content for real world usability.

      Technology is not the problem. The educational paradigm needs to be challenged.

  4. No, really? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who would have thought giving kids an even bigger distraction would not increase grades? Kids today can barely sit still and concentrate on one task at a time let alone sit in front of a laptop and be expected to only take notes. What kids really need now is someone to tell them to sit down, shut up, and listen. If a disruptive student doesn't want to be there then they should be able to leave. Forcing them to be there is not helping them or anyone else who is trying to learn.

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  5. This is important to know! by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is very important research because test scores are the only measure of a child's success! Experience with real life tools are irrelevant. Keeping students engaged isn't important.

    Putting my tongue-in-cheek assessment aside, not every investment immediately yields an increase in test scores: nor should we only invest in things that do. Test scores are important, but they are not the only measure of a student's success. In 10 years no one will look back and say that adding laptops to schools was a bad idea any more than they will tell us that adding light bulbs or bathrooms was a bad idea. Technology moves forward, and schools should keep up or risk their test scores going down. It won't be too long before every 4-year-old has a portable computer of some kind.

  6. Technology is useless... by giuseppemag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...when you keep teaching the same boring crap in the most boring way. Yes, even with laptops, iPads, projectors and all the bells and whistles.

    Actually, I do know what I am talking about: I teach/research functional programming and game development, and guess what? I use the latter when teaching the former, to make it more entertaining. More than one student, after one such lesson, approached me to tell me that he was quite surprised to find that functional programming could actually be "fun" (pun intended).

    The problem is that students are surprised when something is shown in a fun and entertaining fashion, and they accept it when stale notions are pushed down their throats. I'd start by fixing this...

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  7. More Distractions by cosm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am currently taking senior level physics classes at one of the big universities, and I can say that at the undergraduate and graduate level, laptops are not a boon to learning. Walking into any of the higher level science lectures and the last thing you will see is a laptop. Its usually just pencil and paper and perhaps a sparse open book. Working quickly through the professor's QCD problems on the board is not easier with a computer, unless perhaps you are a master of putting in equations and such in digital format. Same applies for partial differential equations, set theory, number theory, analysis, and all those other symbolic math classes. As my professors say, computers are just useful idiots. They aren't going to teach you anything new, only the programmer can 'teach' the computer new methods of approximating problems.

    Now in my labs, yes, computers come into play quite a bit, MatLab, Fortran, C++, etc. for modelling large systems, of course they make massive calculation sets easier, but for a fundamental understanding of Minkowski space-time, Hilbert Spaces, etc, just having a web-connected machine in front of you during the lecture is not going to make the class that much easier. Having an innate desire to understand the fundamentals is key. Naturally having many open doors available for obtaining the information is helpful, but for the classic situation in which you have a quality professor spewing content, its usually easier (for me at least, YMMV) to leave the laptop at the house.

    Sounds like another 'lets throw enough money into the technology and hope the problem goes away'. As far as K12 education goes in the states, well, I have to speculate that 90% of the students would love a laptop in the classroom, just not for the learning part. One man's opinion.

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  8. Re:I remember the same arguments about Calculators by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But to use a calculator, you need the foundational skills and understanding that underlie the problems they help solve. Computers are essentially media devices now: just like you don't need to know how TVs work to watch TV, you need understand nothing about computers to use them. And they are very distracting.

    I think they have a role in the classroom. But I think that role is overemphasized and a lot of "I'm a hammer-expert, and that's a nail" thinking from people in the tech sector is wasting a lot of resources in education that could be spent much better.

  9. Re:Teachers don't use technology properly by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Umm, have you ever actually interacted with teachers RE: technology?

    I'm sure that there are exceptions who actually have the economic views you assert(and I've definitely met exceptions who simply know fuck-all about technology and really don't want to start now; but the latter group is, in the face of retirement and replacement by 20-somethings who've been using laptops for at least their entire undergrand, a self-solving problem); but my experience during the times I've worked in educational IT is that teachers are either very enthusiastic about technology, or simple technophobes without some sinister union plot motive.

    There exists automated drilling and assessment software for, among other things, elementary mathematics instruction. The math department came to us asking for an implementation, and we can't keep up with the demand for in-classroom computers to support the stuff. The music department, for their part, has enthusiastically adopted a rather neat automated system that can analyze the deviations of a student playing an instrument from the desired waveforms for a piece. Art? We haven't been able to afford Wacoms for the lab; but they voluntarily branched out into digital raster-image editing...

    There are some perverse elements of educational union politicking; but my work with the IT department never once ran into opposition on teacher-economic grounds.

  10. As someone who worked IT in one of these schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is, schools are looking for a "silver bullet" for their scores. Buy this thing, scores improve. Nothing like that actually exists in reality, though. Schools are full of expensive technology that doesn't get used because the teachers can't be bothered to use it, or because the IT department is behind and hasn't got it functioning yet, or because it is difficult/inconvenient to use because of limited access or overly restrictive security measures.

    If you DO want to implement some fancy new program, here's what you need:

    First and foremost, you have to have teachers on board. If the teachers are resisting the new technology, it isn't going to be worth your time to try to force it on them. Get rid of the teachers, abandon the technology, but don't foist a bunch of tech on teachers that don't want it. It will be a waste of everyone's time.

    Also, you have to think through your actions. Get the students on your side, and get them to buy in to the program. The tech department that I was working at tried to lock down the computers to a pretty extreme level. Time restrictions, draconian internet filtering (even at home), and random screen watching during the day. The end result was that the students felt like the laptops were worthless, and simultaneously had a big incentive to work around the blocks in place. People act like you expect them to act, and we essentially told the students that we viewed them as semi-criminal, irresponsible delinquents. Plus, anybody who has used a Live CD knows that it takes about 30 seconds to bypass even the most bulletproof software restrictions, as long as you have physical access. You can imagine how that turned out.

    Finally, you have to have something to DO with the laptops. You can't just drop them in classrooms and wait. You need to essentially build your entire curriculum around the laptops to make them appreciably better than the normal, boring computer lab. Have a research based, directed, cohesive plan for how and why the laptops are being used, and they might actually be worth your while.

    It's kind of sad, because a well-funded technology plan could be an amazing tool. In properly implemented programs, they've shown that laptops CAN have a big, positive impact, especially for gifted and talented kids who can all of a sudden direct their own learning to a greater extent. However, throwing money at a problem almost never fixes it. You need good people, good strategy, and the resources to support them.

  11. Re:Distractions by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "In the modern business world, you have tons of older workers who "know stuff" but can't extract a file off an email. It's at least worth a try to let the kid spend some time playing with tech, because tech is the wave of the future."

    In the modern business world, you have tons of younger workers who can barely compose an email using correct English, but can extract a file off [sic] an email.

    As an employer, do you think it's be easier to work around people who might have technology questions, or those who don't have a good grasp on basic math and English skills?

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  12. Re:In general, yes. by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When virtual reality is possible, the student can learn history by "being there"

    I have family members who lived through *major* historical events. Being there didn't tell them why they were there nor why it was so important nor what was happening a few miles away and how that impacted them. They didn't really understand the big picture until I shared some of that old fashioned college book learning with them.

    History is not merely a record of what happened, it also considers the various things that influenced what happened. The real work and study is often in the later.

  13. Re:Well duh by colinrichardday · · Score: 4, Funny

    Curved laptops? Doesn't Apple have a patent on that?