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P2P Traffic Drops 10% After New NZ Law
harryjohnston writes "Following the introduction of New Zealand's new copyright legislation, which we discussed last week, major ISP Orcon reports that international peer-to-peer traffic has dropped 10%. This might mean that the law is actually working to some extent, though experts say the effect will probably only be temporary."
So 5% got a seedbox in Tonga after all, now the traffic will just be FTP instead of P2P.
The other 5% switched to Rapidshare and Co.
if its just 10% drop at the advent of the law, it means it outright failed.
moreover, they just made piracy 'cooler' and more worthy of doing for a lot of rebel types and kids.
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less INTERNATIONAL p2p traffic = more domestic p2p traffic. Think global, act local.......
What about streaming?
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p2p traffic down 10%. vpn traffic up 10% :D
Are obviously legal p2p transfers.
No need to keep watching them.
None at all.
the more systems will slip through your fingers...
Interestingly the law has yet to be used (or at least no news sites have reported it).
The 25 dollar charge couple with low chance of actually getting any money back have made the law seem pretty useless. I would think the fines would be around the minimum of 300 or so there is little chance of making a profit or even getting your money back.
The problem with putting the burden of proof on the accused is that judges will find it hard to award large damages (500+) since the account holder could not lock down his network and does not have the skill or money to prove it did not happen. Getting someone’s net cut off so they can't buy music legally is not the best business model either. If they have to get a friend to do it, there will be high chance of copywrite infringement immediately afterwards.
First reports of "the law working", then a few months later everything was back to normal again.
Yeah, with laws like those, I would try to hide my traffic too.
What they fail to recognise, is that NZ is an isolated far away nation who are often a test bed for new things. Internet banking for instance, years and years ahead of the rest of the world because it was simple to do. Having weak politicians who can be used to purchase laws by foreign companies is another. As a by product of the fact that you DSL line has 'national' and 'international' traffic rates - NZ netizens are actually a bit more organised that many countries. For years and years, there have been NZ only direct connect hubs - long before torrenting - where friends and groups share very efficiently and easily, and more importantly on their own 'darker' yet very trusted networks. The government have bitten themselves rather hard with this one, as all this law will do is make it even more difficult than ever to police. this 'drop' in 'known torrent traffic' is hardly going to stop anything. All it proves, is that private communications can't be trusted to be handled by the government or any other commercial entity and that it is up to the individual to ensure their privacy themselves. But what about the 'think of the children' bandwagon i hear you ask? Well if the Queens own household can have their own image database being passed around and Her son is mates with a known dodgy flying with 'unnamed girls' documented as passengers landing on UK military bases - I really don't see how technology is going to stop it. Not until you do what used to be done when they are simply taken out to pasture, never to return to society.
They NZ need to line them up and SHOOT ZEM !!
Who the fuck are the NZ again ??
The NZ are NAZIs, but they left out the vowels. We all know Hebrew has no vowels, so that's why they just call themselves NZ, because they're JEWISH NAZIS who want to GAS THEMSELVES.
In Sweden after IPRED it was 30%, after half a year they were essentially back on the same curve as before. Everybody fears a token crackdown, like people speed everywhere but right after they've reduced speed on some road it's very wise to stick to the limit a while because it's always followed up by a bunch of controls on that road. It won't last since everybody knows they don't have the resources to go after everyone, it's just temporary.
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It's the _total_ international internet traffic which is down 10%. Given that P2P forms 30-50% of an ISPs traffic (supposedly), that means that there has been a 20-33% drop in P2P traffic. So, while it sounds small, it is actually a large difference to P2P, all without a single $25 letter being sent out.
the use of alt.binaries and IRC DCC has had a huge resurgence.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
International *unencrypted and detectable* peer-to-peer traffic has dropped 10%.
https://torrentfreak.com/and-when-even-the-death-penalty-doesnt-deter-copying-what-then-110807/
A recent dearth of good Linux .ISO releases. *cough*
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
...when they implemented the IPRED EU directive which gives the copyright lobby the right to force ISPs to give them the names of suspected filesharers, the traffic dropped by almost 30% on the day the law came into effect. However, it started increasing again almost immediately and a year later it's higher than ever before, and still increasing - just like it has been since the late 90s.
The claim is that p2p equals loss of revenue and profits. We can now see if this is true. This law causes a drop in traffic so there should be an increase in profits and/or sales posted from this time on.
From other stats though people who copy this stuff are the most likely to buy this stuff so my guess is that this loss of p2p won't show up in any sales figures. The people who used p2p will use social networks to find and copy the media.
I bet all those NZ guys are eagerly awaiting the price-drop on all media then, given that piracy is provably (*COUGH*) lessened by these laws and so they have no need to take legal action, extraneous measures (DRM etc.).
And sales of CD's, DVD's, Blu-Ray, etc. will go through the roof. Just you watch. Keep watching. Any second now. Wait for it. Just a minute longer...
I find the wording puzzling, since everything we download is, well, copyrighted. So the "illegal downloading of" is dependent on there being "illegal distribution" of copyrighted material by a non-copyright-holder, in which case, shouldn't the distributors be punished *first*?
And what about all the free legal distribution of copyrighted content by copyright holders, which in turn can easily be saved as mp3s? It is saying if someone downloads something via P2P they are criminal, but if they save a youtube stream to a file, they are model citizens.
Encrypted IRC and NNTP traffic rose an astonishing 500%.
News at 11.
everyone's busy playing deus ex and dead island. i'm serious, there haven't been any decent pc releases for months
I have not noticed any difference in total international traffic at the ISP which I run between now and before the new law came into force. I do notice more VPN and seedbox traffic on residential connections and less UDP torrent traffic.
I am also yet to see a copyright infringement notice properly formatted with the requirements of the new legislation. I have bot even received an automated form letter from a rights owner, as used to be the case on a regular basis.
No rightsowner, or agent thereof has been in contact, nor RIANZ or NZFACT to discuss the relationship between the rightsowners and the designated IPAPs.
A few centuries ago, the penalty for unauthorized copying was breaking on the wheel.
[citation needed]
Nobody stops to think maybe it's because no big game titles or movies came out this week? Way to declare victory when your opponent is off taking a nap.
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I am interested in what happens to the brick/online retail sector selling movies and music, did it increase? Stay the same?
What effect dies this actually have on spending and sales?
Or, being irritated with their ISP, will customers now double their efforts to pirate through other means?
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Did they bother monitoring the amount of increased encrypted traffic?
On other news, bittorrent goes VPN.
Coincidence, me thinks... all the kids are back in school, teenagers who get their computers turned off by mom, etc.
Are we saying that NZ spam and p2p actually accounts for 10% of the whole world's internet traffic????
It would be far more apt to say 90% of NZ filesharers don't give a rat's arse about the new law....
http://blog.mises.org/18018/no-wonder-there-was-a-revolution/ Google is your friend.
so.. that quotes the torrentfreak article and adds only this:
I have doubts about these numbers. In any case, A.R.J. Turgot wrote the following in praise Gournay: “He could not see why this piece of cloth, for failing to conform to certain regulations, should be cut up into fragments of three ells in length, and why the unfortunate man who had made it should be ordered to pay a penalty, enough to reduce him and his family to poverty. He could not conceive why a workman, when making a piece of cloth, should be exposed to risks and expenses from which an idle man was exempt. He could not see of what use it might be that a manufactured piece of cloth should involve legal procedures and tedious discussions in order to establish whether it conformed to an extensive system of regulation, often difficult to understand, nor did he think that such discussions ought to be held between a manufacturer who cannot read and an inspector who cannot manufacture, nor that that inspector should yet be the final judge of the fortune of the unlucky man, etc.”
nothing about breaking wheels in there..
Dear Orcon, Sorry about the 10% drop. I had to travel overseas at the end of August so I have been using another ISP. Don't worry I returning on Sunday and your traffic will return to normal then. Cheers ukoda
I thought my porn was downloading faster!
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