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Indie Devs Upload Their Own Game To The Pirate Bay
dartttt writes "Indie game company tinyBuild Games, who released a platformer called No Time To Explain recently, uploaded their own game to the Pirate Bay. However, there's a key difference between the game they uploaded and the version you can purchase: the game characters wear pirate hats, and everything else has a pirate theme. One of the company's founders, Alex Nichiporchik, said, '[S]ome people are going to torrent it either way, we might as well make something funny out of it. ... You can’t really stop piracy, all you can do is make it work for you and/or provide something that people actually want to pay for. For us this is humor, we like making people laugh.'"
I want the real game, not some fake pirate themed one.
Umm, who is stopping you from buying it?
How is this any different from RIAA or MPAA uploading fake torrents of their music and movies to make it more difficult for people to find what they want?
1) This download does not contain malware.
2) They will not drag you to court for downloading something that wasn't what you wanted to download anyway.
Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if they fucked with the piratebay version somehow and it's impossible to complete, especially with a game like No Time to Explain.
It isn't a fake. It's just differently themed in character design on the Pirate's Bay version
The difference is that this is a playable game with a positive PR spin, whereas I assume the fakes that RIAA et al use are just blobs of pseudorandom data.
The difference would be that using this pirate themed game, you can sense what the real thing will be like (and pay for it if you want it). The fake RIAA torrents don't do this.
I want the real game, not some fake pirate themed one.
Umm, who is stopping you from buying it?
His mum won't give him any pocket money until he gets his lazy arse out of the basement and looks for a job.
I wonder whether the fact they uploaded it makes it legal to download? If they claim they gave no permission to download would it be entrapment?
I want the real game, not some fake pirate themed one.
Umm, who is stopping you from buying it?
Who is stopping you from buying RIAA music? Should they be allowed to spam their shit all over The Pirate Bay?
Then buy it, Sherlock.
I want the real game, not some fake pirate themed one.
It IS the real game, it's not "fake" in any way. It is also pirate themed. If you want the non pirate themed, go download the OTHER torrent of the game or buy it.
I dunno, I'm actually half-tempted to buy this game because they're taking the inevitability of piracy, and getting a little bit of humour out of it. That and, unlike the two companies you've mentioned, the developers of this game are not actively prosecuting pirates. If anything, they're rewarding you for pirating... if you like pirate-themed games.
How is this any different from RIAA or MPAA uploading fake torrents of their music and movies to make it more difficult for people to find what they want? They are doing exactly the same - polluting torrent sites by uploading fake content. I want the real game, not some fake pirate themed one.
Aw, poor baby. Go buy it then.
Because people will never RTFA:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6617784/No_Time_To_Explain_Windows_tinyBuildGAMES
Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.
havent seen the game yet, but now I am wondering which version looks the best
Who is stopping you from buying RIAA music?
The people who make such lame music these days that I don't even want to pirate it, that's who. That basically leaves me with one Wierd Al disc every few years, though I do buy used CDs from time to time.
When I download music, it's mostly from JASRAC artists, and a bit of whatever Germany's group is. (I love me some Eisbrescher.)
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The pirated version of the game a buggy as hell, and everyone is pirate themed, which I have a feeling is intended.
So they did have time to explain :(
Okay, seriously - how did all of you previous commenters not notice that he's just trolling?
This is hardly a fake torrent; it's just the game with pirates of the "Arrr" type. Think of it as some sort of demo with a bonus skin.
They are creating buzz about their game. Its free marketing, and marketing is one of the areas that indies do not have a lot of money to fund.
I am positive that many people will download it for free and never even consider paying for it. However, I am just as sure that another large group of people will download it, try it, like it, and go and buy the version without pirate hats. (I am assuming that they have something in game or in the downloaded files that tells the end-user how to get a legit copy.)
I even expect that there will even be a small amount of people that will give money to the developer just for offering their game like this. Reasons for this will be because they legitimize p2p, to encourage more devs to go this route, or even just to give a big FU to companies like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft that think that DRM is the only way to succeed.
In the end, I would wager that they will make more money on this game by letting people download it for free than if they tried to actual remove their game from filesharing sites. (not that it is ever possible to completely remove a file from the internet.)
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Judging by the comments on TPB page, they did fuck with it:
The pirated version of the game a buggy as hell, and everyone is pirate themed, which I have a feeling is intended.
Who knows? It might be the original that's buggy and the torrent shows quite how badly written it is.
(in fact, nowhere does it mention that the pirated game has extra bugs, so it's likely that this is true)
It would be unusual for a torrented game to be worse and more freedom-restricting than actually paying for it.
Ok,ok. It's not that I'm suggesting this new idea is a bad one; just that it is a novelty and I can't see it being profitable for EA to put pirate hats on all of the Sims.
The game is just $10.
Unless ofcourse we're somehow no longer talking about the indie game the GP and TFA was talking about.
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I want the real game, not some fake pirate themed one.
Then pay, you cheap bastard. At least this way you can try the "fake" pirate one and if you like it then buy the non-pirate hat version. But it seems you just want everyone to do everything for you for free. Why don't you write your own damned game in that case, and we can all rip YOU off? This is a smart, sensible business model and I wish the devs the best.
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Will it still be illegal to download this modified version, willingly uploaded by the author? Because that could seriously backfire if paying customers find out there is a (to all intents and purposes) identical, legal and free version available.
with Monkey Island.
Makes me want both copies just because the company is doing something different. I respect them greatly for this even though i don't know anything about the game, it just makes me want to but it because they are obviously being a bit of a smartass.
New and different win! Many internets to them!
By having the publisher put it up you have the confidence that the game will not have the malware that a cracked copy can have.
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the newer one was not as cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_cAzTn3c0Y&feature=related
most unfortunately, indie games come as short as their price tag in regard to content and detail. so, its not too different.
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I already put pirate hats on all of my Sims. and i use cheats to add them onto all NPC characters.
this would be a great feature to add.
even if his mum did it, it wouldnt be to waste on extremely overpriced mass manufactured SHIT that the companies are putting into market to suck people off of their money.
You seem to have a serious "everything has been done before... and better" bug up your ass given your posting history, which is fine. If you don't like anything made in the last decade don't buy it and don't pirate it. But you'd do well to lose the "I don't like it and that means it's SHIT and you don't like SHIT do you?" attitude, it's just as obnoxious when it's artsy types saying all mainstream music and film sucks, gourmet chefs bashing fast food even though people obviously like the taste or grumpy old gamers who thinks everything with better than VGA graphics must suck.
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So the RIAA should put versions of their songs on TPB where every five seconds someone says "arrr"?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Who is stopping you from buying RIAA music?
The people who make such lame music these days that I don't even want to pirate it, that's who. That basically leaves me with one Wierd Al disc every few years, though I do buy used CDs from time to time.
When I download music, it's mostly from JASRAC artists, and a bit of whatever Germany's group is. (I love me some Eisbrescher.)
I like Eisbrecher ("Icebreaker") a little (I don't have any of their music, it's a bit too rock/metally but if they play in London I'll go and watch). Until August 2010 they were with independent labels (in August 2010 they signed with Sony, but don't seem to have released anything yet). So, what justifies you copying their music?
Should they be allowed to spam their shit all over The Pirate Bay?
Absolutely. You can't possibly claim that the rules don't apply to you and you can upload and download anything you want, but they do apply the RIAA and they're not allowed to upload anything.
Freedom != everyone does exactly what I want
actually all mainstream music and film sucks indeed. and games. and im no generation x.
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If it's shit, why would he even want to play it pirated?
Let's rephrase this.
"We've released an EXCLUSIVE Pirate Bay edition of our game with custom skins !"
Now do you want it?
Perhaps I should reiterate: It's the SAME game. The same. Only some visuals are different.
I want my Cowboyneal
That's funny, because TPB would remove such torrents.
Because I have yet to find their music for sale here in the USA on a store shelf. If I do, it will be an immediate purchase. Physical CD copies only, please, I don't buy "music store" MP3s, nor do I do mail order.
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its like having to live in a city which has high level of air pollution. you know its shit, but you have to breathe it in. you dont have any alternative unless you move elsewhere.
so is a lot with our society nowadays - almost everything is shit, but, that is all that is there. you have to use them in order to make up for your needs.
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Some companies ruin the original game by putting in DRM that makes your computer unstable, making the pirated version better. These guys make the pirated version better than the original by putting in pirate hats. I mean, pirate hats make everything better.
Not as cool as at first expected. They uploaded a buggy different version of the game. This would be awesome if they just uploaded their *real* game to TPB and said "have at it". At that point I would go and pay for it. As is it's still more "we're trying to trick you" nonsense.
I did *exactly* this with my first game on android:
http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2221567/2040927/
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5555899/Physics_Playground_for_android_%28awesome_game_%29_-_apk
its the full version of the game - but the faces are made to look like pirates!
This game only had 20k or so downloads - but the rate doubled when I put it on demonoid - TPB made little difference though.
The same is true of my more recent game (wheelz) which has millions of downloads! though I cant find the link for that - I may have to re-upload if no-one else does :)
Exactly the same - right down to putting pirate faces on things http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5555899/Physics_Playground_for_android_(awesome_game_)_-_apk
How is this any different from RIAA or MPAA uploading fake torrents of their music and movies to make it more difficult for people to find what they want? They are doing exactly the same - polluting torrent sites by uploading fake content. I want the real game, not some fake pirate themed one.
The difference is the RI/MPAA is doing it to collect for IPs for their all-lawsuit business model. These people are doing it with the realization that a certain number of people are going to pirate it no matter what so they may as well make a joke out of it. I haven't downloaded the game but it sounds like it's otherwise the same as the original, commercial version save graphics.
Having a sense of humor about it seems to be a good thing if these types of stories are anything to go by.
=Smidge=
And they want their game back.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
3) it's actually the game, just with all the characters wearing pirate hats.
bullshit... this is all.
Playing is not a need.
In other words, your the scum of the earth.
I was just wondering the same thing... why hasn't the standard /. elititist correction storm began. I'm pretty sure if they were an actual seed box instead of just a search engine they would have some serious legal problems.
oh it is. music, entertainment, this that. they are basic needs that make humans sociable than sociopaths. you should take up reading on how people who was raised without presence of such things or other civilized contact in the wilds develop in their later years - unable to participate in the society. basically, they remain animal-like.
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And girigiriphp is just another piece of shit in a vast ocean of shit.
Idiot.
This just goes to show that the content industry still doesn't get it.
When the pirated product is superior to the retail offering, it provides a disincentive to purchase.
I WANT PIRATE HATS ON ALL MY CHARACTERS.
It's a computer game sold as a download - clearly it is not "mass manufactured" unless I'm a manufacturing tycoon every time I run "cp -r".
Overpriced is impossible to judge since I have no idea what their costs were or how much time they spent on it or what you judge is a fair wage for that time. But it is less than the tip on my "It's Friday, stuff cooking let's go to the Chinese place" dinner. It's about what pay the government in income taxes each hour I work.
And "SHIT" is also hard to judge without playing the game or at least hearing from someone whose opinion I trust who has.
And since all mainstream games sucks per you, just what is a non-mainstream game?
So move elsewhere, surely?
There are lots of different societies in the world. Some don't have any video games at all even.
Your income is also paid in exchange for worthless shit from you (or is your stuff conveniently in the tiny "not almost everything" category?). So exchanging shit for shit doesn't seem unfair.
And playing a video game (that you don't like anyway apparently) isn't a "need". Or did that silver spoon really go that far up your arse?
His mum won't give him any pocket money until he gets his lazy arse out of the basement and looks for a job.
She told him so in his thirtieth birthday.
There is an early, free-to-play Flash version of this game available here.
(NOTE: Website contains other content which may be considered NSFW.)
I've been considering buying it. It's a reasonable $10 and doesn't seem to have any DRM (although it doesn't explicitly say it's DRM-free).
Anyone know if this game has any DRM?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
The pirated version may be better in that case.
Happens with most PC games out lately.
relevance ?
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actually all mainstream music and film sucks indeed. and games. and im no generation x.
No. If you were, you'd be more likely to punctuate correctly and use at-least-approximately correct grammar. ;)
Proof positive that the de facto mantra of TPB is "I want free shit" and all the bullshit they spew is just cover for that.
So before the invention of computer games, people remained animal-like?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
how does your ISP handle "I can't play World of Warcraft" complaints?
Presumably by referring the user to official information: "In the event of such a restriction, you may be redirected to a direct download. Due to the nature of direct downloads, you may experience a slow transfer if redirected in this way."
Where do you live where ISPs are THAT bad?
Anywhere outside the reach of cable Internet and DSL Internet, which by now mostly includes rural areas. "WISP" stands for wireless Internet service provider, which usually means satellite, cellular, or something very similar to cellular. These tend to have horrible pings compared to DSL or cable and single digit GB/mo caps.
yes. and those served generation x very vell didnt they. like, they have lived their lives much happier.... oh wait - they didnt. and i made another grammatical error in the preceding sentences. oh well ...
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the game characters wear pirate hats
So even when there is no DRM involved, pirated games are STILL better than paying....
(on a serious note, I'll try the pirated game, since it should be legal if they're the ones I'm downloading it from, right? If I like it, I'll consider buying the less-awesome version; In other words, this was a successful slashvert)
The Internet has given stupid people the resources of intelligent people.
the rate doubled when I put it on demonoid - TPB made little difference though
So how does one get a Demonoid account?
Hear that?
That's the sound of everyone at Valve torrenting this game.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
Did you warn them about Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina and the two major attacks on the World Trade Center (1993 and 2001)? Or maybe it was voicemail.
But seriously, if 1980s gameplay is so undesirable, then how do Wii Virtual Console and Xbox Live Arcade rereleases of 1980s games make money?
actually yes, compared to today. you will find that there is huge parallel in between development of art, entertainment and other kinds of non-survival activities and the level of civil behavior. and, the former precedes the latter.
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Hate to break it to you... but all mainstream music and film does suck, fast food is disgusting at best, unhealthy at worse, and there hasn't been more than a handful of games released in the last ten years that I've bothered to keep installed after playing through once. :P
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This was my idea!
You're SHIT. It's the only thing you can produce.
On me jailbroken phone.
bashing fast food even though people obviously like the taste
I know this isn't your point, but there are better reasons to bash fast food than the taste. For instance: people who live on it are unhealthy and live shorter lives.
Hate to break it to you... but all mainstream music and film does suck, fast food is disgusting at best, unhealthy at worse, and there hasn't been more than a handful of games released in the last ten years that I've bothered to keep installed after playing through once. :P
Blasphemer!
Talk like that is unpatriotic.
You must be one of those commie reds my intelligent design teacher was telling me about.
This user post in the pirate bay sums it up quite nicely:
"As far as I know, this build is probably worse than the original, since it's uploaded by the developers themselves, and you don't have an option to turn it into a 1:1 copy of the retail version. So, good try tinyz, but we like to get what money would get us, not what the devs want us to get for free. Just wait for the retail version to get uploaded. "
You can't negotiate with criminals, its not because its too expensive, its not because it doesn't have a demo, its not because it doesn't have the correct features, they are only excuses for stealing. Ideas such uploading directly to TPB are futile, what if every game does it? Eventually news would spread to the mass market and then no one would buy any game? A great way to destroy your own market.
There are enough free games to assure that playing this specific game is not a need.
Could not be just the opposite? Development and civil behaviour allow us to engage in non-survival activities ,
Perhaps I should reiterate: It's the SAME game. The same. Only some visuals are different.
Wouldn't that make it a different work?
Set your phasers on "funky"!
it's for also available for linux so I highly doubt it has any DRM
YES!
Though, maybe only every 20-30 seconds. Bonus points if it fits well with the music too. I guess that the negative stigma attached has probably discouraged many potential Pirate Remixes over the years, and it's time for that to change.
Yeah it's available DRM-free from other places (direct2drive was one) so I'd assume buying direct from the developer is DRM-free as well.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
The one with the Ninjas.
Yarrr.
Someone is never happy.
Because I have yet to find their music for sale here in the USA on a store shelf. If I do, it will be an immediate purchase. Physical CD copies only, please, I don't buy "music store" MP3s, nor do I do mail order.
I don't buy MP3s, but I do buy via mail order.
It's difficult enough to find shops selling industrial music in the UK, so I can believe it's just as difficult in the USA. I'm not old enough to know about the "old days", I first went in a music store in about 2000, but what I understand used to be the large music stores now dedicate most of their floor space to films and video games. Last time I looked round the UK's main HMV store on Oxford Street, London, it had a single 1m-wide shelf for "Electronic synth" music, hidden under the stairs up from the basement, which contained three Kraftwerk albums and 15 copies of something by Depeche Mode. But mostly it had Harry Potter on Bluray.
The independent stores are much better, but the ones I know are smaller and cater for particular genres. It's Resurrection Records in Camden Town for industrial, goth, ebm, black metal, pagan metal, etc. I only know of two brick-and-mortar stores selling industrial music in the UK, but there's probably a few more. 5?
Anyway, I get CDs from, in order:
- mail order, from UK Amazon/Play/etc
- gigs
- festivals (labels tend to turn up with all their CDs, not just the bands that are playing)
- my nearest specialist independent music store
- any of the above, but while I'm on holiday abroad somewhere.
I'm not sure how I feel about record shops. I'm too young to have spent much time in them -- I bought my first three albums in them, but the fourth was given to me on CD-R by a friend. I like browsing the CDs at a stall at a festival, and I much prefer CDs to downloading MP3s, but I'm not sure where the shop comes in. I buy gig tickets there anyway, just to give it some support.
It's quite relevant to kjella's point.
Relevance is "shit" is not an objective description. One person's shit is another's gold. If we don't like something it's fair enough to say it doesn't appeal to us, that's different to suggesting it's worthless.
Even then, who am I to judge them if it makes them happy? They could eat a steady diet of lettuce leaves for the next 80 years and die miserable, or they could eat what they like for 40 years and die happy. Is the end goal to live a happy life or a long life? I know it's not that black and white, there are all kinds of other considerations like poor health, strain on the public purse, etc. I guess my real point is maybe it's better to educate people about what's better rather than outright bash what they like (they're far more likely to listen if they think you're not looking down on their choices).
They played other types of game, or engaged with their peers in other related ways (sports, drinking, RPGs, music, etc). If all your peers are playing games then there is a strong imperative for you to play games - that can be broken but it's going against basic human programming.
This guy is like a KKK version of Triumph the insult dog, only not really that funny, and trying way too hard.
Pro-tip: being bat-shit crazy isn't trolling or funny. It's just being bat-shit crazy. Also, I believe you just essentially said that poor people are animals.
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4) Plus, pirate hats actually make things better. So yet again the pirates get the best version :) Seriously though, they seem like they've got the right approach and there are some nice incentives to buy (you get "series 2" free apparently). I think it's a pretty clever way to get a demo of your game out there and talked about, I wish more developers took the playful approach rather than the "let's punish legitimate users with horrible DRM and still see pirate copies in circulation two days after launch" approach that seems to be the norm.
Actually, I would say YES they do live their lives happier thanks to their education or at least a serious work ethic (that led them to be fickle about grammar)
When Gen X came into the work force, even a college degree would be good enough (or even no degree, again if they had a good work ethic, passion, etc), and today their careers should be doing well (those who didn't lose their jobs thanks to recession anyway). Some might be waiting to take over the top level positions that will be open once the Boomers retire (and be the next ones who'll screw the economy for their own profit ;p)
As long as their education landed them on a job that is high level enough to NOT be outsourced to China/India, they're better off than Gen Y, whose college degree don't hold as much value it used to be (and going without any degree is near suicide)
Even then, who am I to judge them if it makes them happy? They could eat a steady diet of lettuce leaves for the next 80 years and die miserable, or they could eat what they like for 40 years and die happy. Is the end goal to live a happy life or a long life? I know it's not that black and white, there are all kinds of other considerations like poor health, strain on the public purse, etc. I guess my real point is maybe it's better to educate people about what's better rather than outright bash what they like (they're far more likely to listen if they think you're not looking down on their choices).
The arguments are real, I agree that it is better to educate people. Notice that that is never done by the US administration, or big media. Lobbyists and big media make a lot of money seeing to that.
As for strain on the public purse, in the US the health care system is out to make money.
There is not, and never, ever can be, a relationship between popularity and quality. There is good mainstream stuff and bad indie stuff, and the reverse applies as well.
No, you've just been brainwashed into spouting that response. Let's face it, whether you agree with file sharing or not, there are far, far worse actual, real crimes happening out there in the real world. If you really think someone who downloads a piece of software without paying for it is worse than, or even comparable to a murderer, for instance then your moral compass is definitely broken. Remember, despite the cute marketing job the **AAs are doing, digital piracy doesn't actually equate to real life piracy - if it's wrong then let's discuss it for what it is, not try and turn it into something it's clearly not in order to drive home a point.
Why did they upload the better version to TPB?
True, nothing in what they've done stops people uploading the real thing to TPB, they're just hoping that by not acting like douches about the whole thing, folk might be willing to throw some money their way. Even though it's clearly a clever bit of marketing, I can't feel badly towards them for it.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc, eh kiddo?
I'm still in development of my own one man indie thing (no link cause you deserve better) and I was going to do the same thing. Well, the more the merrier!
ha ho heho deco art deco ? what ? whatwhat ?
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My apologies, it was silly of me to assume you'd know a basic logic term. Here you go.
Just download some Captain Dan & the Scurvy Crew.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Dan_%26_the_Scurvy_Crew
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
how do Wii Virtual Console and Xbox Live Arcade rereleases of 1980s games make money?
Nostalgia.
Likewise, modern era retro-style games play off nostalgia for the play styles and lower budgets from the 1980s.
Did you warn them about Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina and the two major attacks on the World Trade Center (1993 and 2001)?
FYI, the 2004 tsunami killed approximately 75 9/11's worth of people (no, I don't know how many that is in Libraries of Congress). I vote you drop the 1993's WTC warning and include the tsunami instead. The 2001 WTC attack was 1.0 9/11's, but the subsequent wars probably account for 50+ 9/11's in collateral deaths, so it is a worthy inclusion.
Furthermore, Hurricane Andrew only amounted to 8.7 milli9/11's, so I propose you swap that out for a warning regarding the Haitian earthquake, which was approximately 74 9/11's.
Katrina may be retained, if only by American personal prerogative; it seems reasonable to allow one free-elective warning for the communicator. However, you might swap this out for a warning regarding a different disaster applicable to one's own country or family member's preventable death as well, per same prerogative.
Hope this helps you in the future/past.
i dont know it, and i dont give a flying fuck about it. i didnt even check your link.
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They want their cliched phrase back.
No, you're just an idiot.
Plenty of mainstream music and film is good. It's all too easy to claim everything is shit, but you're wrong if you do.
I started driving for a living about 4 years ago (I'm 33). Prior to that, I was basically into indie and happy hardcore, with little in between. I've been forced to listen to the radio in the UK. Radio 1 is ok, and sometimes great - they push some good new bands. XFM is decent too. Kiss is mass marketed lowest common denominator, but sometimes kick in something new and inspirational. London pirate radio is great occasionally, as is community radio.
Reading Shakespeare, Neitzshe and Proust, watching Battleship Potempkin and Citizen Kane, listening to Beethoven and the Beatles, and playing Elite, then complaining about the state of modern media makes you look stupid. It makes you look like you've not formed any opinions on your own.
ps. Shakespeare is about as mainstream as it is possible to be.
THIS
I like fast food, too much alcohol, cigarettes and cocaine*. I work harder in my job than just about everyone at my workplace. I've had 3 days off sick in 5 years, and 2 of them were when I was determined to come in with flu and got sent home.
The government trying to tell me what to eat, what to drink, what to smoke, and what to sniff is fucking absurd when I'm paying for them.
*I don't do cocaine any more, since I got caught. I switched to mephedrone, which was good, then illegal. I've switched to MDAI since, which is not that good, but not illegal.
Why don't you do MP3s or mail order?
By changing the protocol used (and negotiating up/down to a mutually understood protocol), various information exchange speeds (300, 1200, 9600, 19200, etc) are achieved.
Eventually you run into the Shannon limit, the maximum amount of information that can be sent over a channel with a given bandwidth and signal-to-noise ratio. For example, good luck exceeding 56000 bps on a POTS (telephone) channel.
Does it have something to do with "frames" as in frame relay?
That's beacuse you're terrified of learning anything that will prove you wrong. You willfully, intentionally strive to remain ignorant and uneducated. Exactly like the kind of reactionary right-winger that you probably imagine that you oppose. But you don't oppose them, you seek to be as much like them as you can.
surely. clinging to claiming to authority by bringing in phrases from a dead religion is definitely progressive.
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http://www.mediafire.com/?3u7istowiddu9g8
This isn't the first time I've done a MediaFire upload version of something from a torrent. :)
(Incidentally, I also sometimes upload torrent versions of stuff from non-torrent sources.)
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
As for strain on the public purse, in the US the health care system is out to make money.
Maybe in the cosmetic or "luxury" or "brand name" (e.g. Lasik) healthcare they do.
In the US, I had the feeling that the healthcare system charges so much just to survive spurious litigation. Doctors and hospitals don't necessarily need to charge as much as they do for the actual care itself. I think a significant portion ends up in a legal defense fund somewhere.
yeeees im an idiot. then, let me ask you - why are you discussing with an idiot ?
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There a tiny glimmer of hope that you will be raised above the level of idiot to that of moron. Then the serious discussions can begin. Personally, I think the hope is entirely in vain (not the GP), but hope springs eternal.
I neither claimed any authority nor used any phrases from a religion, dead or otherwise. Furthermore, I made no claim regarding how progressive I am, I merely showed that you are a reactionary.
oooh. i feel flabbergasted, at the prospect of getting elevated in your perspective ....................
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oooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy
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So which candle are you lighting? Or are you content to sit there in your cave, bitterly whining about the darkness?
*religion*? do you even think before you type, or do you merely have a visceral connection between your lizard brain and your keyboard? And I think you'll find progress builds on what comes before; it does not attempt to simply maintain the status quo, which is something you seem quite comfortable with. And one last thing: claiming to authority? You've heard the phrase (or some variant), but you don't really know what it means, do you?
why so serious ?
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Your clumsy attempt at sarcasm is not performing its intended goal of hiding your inability to refute me.
..... hhhh .
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To recap: you committed a gross logical fallacy, adamantly refused to learn about said fallacy when it was pointed out to you, and when called out on that refusal you have reacted like a five-year-old.
You just went from "mainstream movies all suck!" to unironically quoting the highest-grossing film of 2008.
and ?
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you are still here i see.
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And you are still desperate to avoid addressing your complete failure to intelligently discuss the topic at hand.
"and"...those things are contradictory. By referencing The Dark Knight as you did, you acknowledged it as a worthwhile contribution to culture.
do exceptions make a rule ....
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No, they do not. That isn't what that expression means. Try again. You won't do any better, but go ahead anyway.
oook ok. you cant just let go can you. keep up.
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Keep allowing you to humiliate yourself with temper tantrums?
'tantrum' ? which .
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