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Smart Meters Reveal What You're Watching

xororand writes "H-Online reports that 'researchers at the Münster University of Applied Sciences have discovered that it is possible to use electricity usage data from smart electricity meters to determine which programmes consumers are watching on a standard TV set. By analysing electricity consumption patterns, it is, in principle, also possible to identify films played from a DVD or other source.' It's time for some clever EEs to come up with a countermeasure. Unfortunately alumfoil hats have already been dismissed."

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  1. Hmmm... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing if you built a plugin AC device that just sort of created random draws on your electrical supply, say ten times a minute, for random durations, I imagine that would pretty much kill any leak of such information.

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by Chatterton · · Score: 1

      It will kill any leak, but explode your electricity bill :-(

    2. Re:Hmmm... by MatthiasF · · Score: 3, Informative

      You could also buy a cheap uninterruptable power supply (battery) or line filter (capacitors) for the same effect.

      Unlikely the battery or filter would draw 1 for 1 from the wall and would probably smooth the signal out enough to be indistinguishable.

    3. Re:Hmmm... by PIBM · · Score: 1

      Actually, there`s always a non-neligible loss of power from the AC => DC => AC conversion :(

    4. Re:Hmmm... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      That's a good point. A UPS isn't a bad idea for your electronics, and can save you from nasty things like lightning strikes and overloads.

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    5. Re:Hmmm... by vlm · · Score: 1

      No all you need to screw up their signature is "about equal to a TV".

      Now insert the stereotypical /. complaint from coasties that they can easily afford a $1200K house on their $50K salary the only problem being the 15 cent per KWh draw of their 200 watt TV will surely bankrupt them. Happens every "electricity consumption" /. article. Close on the heels of the "The average american watches TV 8 hours per day, works 16 hours per day, sleeps 8 hours per day, and commutes in their vehicle at 5 MPH on the freeway for 4 hours per day loving every minute of it while hating electric cars, so this will bankrupt them" comment.

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    6. Re:Hmmm... by Artraze · · Score: 1

      You could just do it with a cron script or similar. I doubt the variance they're picking up is any larger than the difference between idle and full power on a modern desktop computer. Hell, just leaving a bunch of tabs open on Firefox while watching TV may provide enough variance to prevent this analysis.

    7. Re:Hmmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      It might well be easier(and possibly even more efficient) to plug the object you don't want leaking data into a proper dual-conversion UPS, tweaked slightly to allow itself to discharge to a random level(somewhere between 50 and 90 percent, say) before starting a charge cycle.

    8. Re:Hmmm... by Reece400 · · Score: 1

      Two TV's on at the same time, on different channels?

    9. Re:Hmmm... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Probably not a cron script. If you introducing noise to obfuscate information that might leak through a side channel attack like this you want that noise to be as random as possible. If its predictable someone may be able to work out that pattern, interpolate what the side channel data would look like with out it, and then run their original analysis.

      What would be better is a little C program that read a byte two from /dev/urandom, slept that number of ticks, woke up did some calculations on some more random values, and then went back to sleep for the length of the result. The more spiky the CPU utilization the better.

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    10. Re:Hmmm... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Very good.

      Even being on the Internet while the TV is on, not that either are ever off or unused at my place.
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    11. Re:Hmmm... by dougmc · · Score: 1

      You could also buy a cheap uninterruptable power supply (battery) or line filter (capacitors) for the same effect.

      A (cheap) UPS generally latches it's output directly to the A/C input rather than conditioning the power in any way beyond a surge protector. If there is a problem with the incoming power, it disconnects the A/C input and switches to battery in a fraction of a second, but until that happens, it wouldn't do much to mask exactly how much power is used from instant to instant (beyond the small amount of power it consumes itself, mostly to charge it's battery.)

      Some fancier UPSs are always powered by the battery and these would have the desired effect, but they aren't the cheap ones you'll find at Frys.

    12. Re:Hmmm... by Muros · · Score: 1

      You got there before me. Cheap UPSs have a mechanical switch. Inline UPSs are much more expensive.

    13. Re:Hmmm... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      That's what I'd do if I had a million dollars.

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    14. Re:Hmmm... by Artraze · · Score: 1

      That's not really going to do it. This attack seems to rely primarily on the dynamic back lighting in modern LCDs. That and the line about "second by second" implies that the detection bandwidth is 1Hz, and more likely minute long detections of average light and dark periods which they then correlate to known values in the streams they're searching. As this is very low frequency, you'd want your noise band to be more like .001 - 1Hz rather than 10 to 1000 Hz as you are implying, where it would average out over the periods they're measuring.

      That said, a C processes would still be the better choice; the cron bit was mostly a quip to highly the unnecessary extreme of building a discrete device.

      P.S. Bonus points if you have your program just SIGSTOP/SIGCONT BOINC or similar :)

    15. Re:Hmmm... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      In China, Christmas lights watch YOU!

    16. Re:Hmmm... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      And, knowing a bit about side channel attacks and statistics, you would be wrong.

    17. Re:Hmmm... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      And they would find out what you are displaying on two TV's, and the one that never zaps, or zaps in the middle of the movie, that's the one you are not watching.

    18. Re:Hmmm... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      You don't need a million dollars to own two TV's. Second hand TV's especially come pretty cheap (compared to many other costs anyway, not that that matters if you are broke...)

    19. Re:Hmmm... by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure he was making an Office Space reference.

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    20. Re:Hmmm... by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      The line filtering and surge suppression in a UPS is active all the time but the batteries are not. A ferroresonant transformer will smooth out transitions in both directions; it is an always on device.

      http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/6.html

      The transformer does smooth fast transients from either load or line but there is still variation. I've only used the ones for computers that have a clean sinewave out.

      There are ones so noisy they'd swamp any line monitoring but using them for electronics is not a good idea.

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    21. Re:Hmmm... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The only problem with the inline UPSes is that they also use a fair bit of power, as there's significant losses in doing continuous AC->DC->AC conversion. Our electronics are inefficient enough as it is.

      It's too bad no one makes ATX power supplies with built-in UPSes any more; PC P&C used to make one many, many years ago. By building the UPS into your computer's power supply, you eliminate two conversion steps (AC->DC(+battery)->AC---->DC changes to (AC->DC(+battery)). For servers (and especially rooms full of servers), the energy savings would be much greater: a rack full of servers could be powered by one large UPS that does the DC conversion and then powers the servers with DC directly. Many home users already have this, since laptop computers are essentially this, but for those who want more powerful processors, more storage, and better displays without the laptop price premium, they're stuck with energy-hogging desktops.

    22. Re:Hmmm... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing if you built a plugin AC device that just sort of created random draws on your electrical supply, say ten times a minute, for random durations, I imagine that would pretty much kill any leak of such information.

      Like a refrigerator or lights, a/c, heat, water heater, etc... Sure not one appliance ten times a minute, but certainly many appliances running randomly. I usually have more than just a TV drawing power at anyone time, assuming the TV is even on.

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    23. Re:Hmmm... by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Yep. Its very difficult to get any readings from a smart meter that is connected to a burning house.

    24. Re:Hmmm... by camperslo · · Score: 1

      Use what amounts to a UPS (the inverter section), but keep the batteries charged up with a couple of solar panels. Feed the panels into a switching regulator, but change the regulators feedback voltage sampling point to the INPUT and set it to load the panels down to the optimum voltage where they deliver maximum power output. There needs to be a kill mode to prevent overcharging, or perhaps divert some D.C. into other loads like a PC that's always on (also with a kill mode for when the main supply is off).

      Note that while a c.r.t display has power consumption that varies with scene brightness, an LCD generally doesn't except when dynamic contrast enhancement as active (dimming of backlight to reduce visibility of bleed-through on dark scenes)

      Note also that many c.r.t based televisions, especially older ones, had poor d.c. restoration. With capacitor-coupled video, peaks of sync or blanking pulses have to be clamped to fixed levels to restore the d.c. or very low frequency video (average brightness) variations. If any remember sets where it seemed like the contrast (gain) had to be changed from scene to scene for things to look right, that's why. Bright scenes wouldn't be bright enough causing the should-be darker areas to become black, dark scenes wouldn't get dark enough making them look somewhat grey or like a smoggy day.

      Be really different, and use fiber-optics to pipe-in outdoor light to supplement the backlight. Ideally it'd be tied to smart software adjusting for variations both by controlling the backlight contribution, and changing video parameters on the fly to help with color temperature as well as light output. (No doubt Apple could easily do that right...) If it were me, besides the usual brightness controlling, I'd also shift the black point based on ambient light (elevate the dark parts that would be masked), and have a low-energy mode that adjusts gamma to improve perceived brightness when running at reduced backlight intensity.

      I suspect that with some tweaking, some of the algorithms used for song recognition could do processing of consumption data. They'd work at much lower frequencies and over longer time intervals of course. Have fun building the database though.

      Yes, I know all this energy-use/saving techno-babble may at first seem a bit off-topic, but wasn't reduced energy use supposed to be a major justification for smart meters?

      At least the meters don't sniff RFID tags in nearby car tires, your flu shot, or things you've purchased?

    25. Re:Hmmm... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Why waste the extra draw? Use it to charge a battery or 3.

    26. Re:Hmmm... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      A surge protector is fine for those situations, and much cheaper. What a UPS offers, often in addition to surge protection, is mitigation of brownouts (drop in power below normal level) and blackouts (total loss of power). You can pick up units for £40 from online retailers which will suit a home user just fine.

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    27. Re:Hmmm... by operagost · · Score: 1

      What you're describing is a standby UPS. The line interactive UPS can buck or boost the line voltage using a transformer instead of the battery, and even very cheap UPSes are line interactive now (aka AVR) because you just need to add two cheap relays to the taps of the transformer. Regardless, the system normally runs directly off the AC as you said, and you would need the second type you described (an online UPS) to keep the load isolated from the AC input.

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    28. Re:Hmmm... by ikeman32 · · Score: 1

      I say horse feathers to the whole concept. Other than television stations and perhaps the MPAA what possible usefulness is this kind of thing going to be. Assuming of course that I am wrong that is.

  2. the conter mesure is implied in the artcle by JonySuede · · Score: 1

    Light and dark passages in these films, large volumes of data, and a minimum of interference from other devices are the key to performing this analysis.

    turn on a motor that draws at least 0.5A and you should be safe from those boxes....

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    1. Re:the conter mesure is implied in the artcle by plover · · Score: 1

      Back when Google Power was thinking about happening, I once figured out how a burglar could use the output of a smart electrical meter to determine usage patterns that would indicate homeowner occupancy. There would be a very characteristic double spike that would bracket a very common garage door opener's usage pattern -- when it's time to leave in the morning, the door would open causing a 30 second draw from the motor as well as a draw from the lights, after 30 seconds the motor would shut off but the lights would remain on, there would be a short period of time (less than about three minutes) while the car is driven away, followed by another 30 second motor draw, and five minutes after that the light timer would shut them off.

      Any burglar could see that pattern, even on a background of noisy other appliances (such as refrigerators, dishwashers, timed bathroom fans, etc), because the draws are so big, much bigger than the TV picture changes. They would know exactly what happened. If family members left at different times, there would be a similar pattern for a fixed number of operations, and the burglar would simply have to wait until the last one, then would have a reasonable assurance the house was now empty.

      Anyway, the security measure choices were limited: either waste more electricity to mask the issue using random energy consumers; smooth out the usage through storage and discharge mechanisms (like a UPS or capacitor); reduce the resolution of the meter by permitting aggregate readings only once every hour or so; or stop using the appliance.

      The same choices still apply.

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    2. Re:the conter mesure is implied in the artcle by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      No way are you going to make me vacuum during my favorite shows!

  3. Burn them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    More reason to ban their implementation!
    Power companies should NEVER be allowed to gain knowledge about, nevermind make a profit from my porn viewing habits!

    1. Re:Burn them by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      I think we can assume that if there's enough power draw for you to be awake (extra lights, TV, etc, on,) then you're viewing porn.... :-/

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    2. Re:Burn them by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be too worried guys. From TFA the test was done by recording readings every 2 seconds. No power/meter company does that you would need unthinkable amounts of data storage (usually a 10-30 minute load profile). Also if you have already glued your tin foil hat on a battery or capacitor bank would completely hide the data.

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  4. LOL Alumfoil by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    Dang. Y'all'd think they had a differnt word fer everthang over thar.

  5. Why do it like this when the cable box can report by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Why do it like this when the cable box can report a lot more info about what you are viewing and does not need new hardware to pull it off.

  6. BATTERY BACKUP by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    And what if the TV, STB and various players are connected via a battery backup?

  7. A new DPA application by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    In the cryptography world, this is known as a sidechannel attack - specifically DPA.

    "It's time for some clever EEs to come up with a countermeasure."
    There are plenty of countermeasures for DPA in the crypto world - However:
    1) The negative impact of this is a hell of a lot lower than key extraction
    2) The positive effects of having power consumption tied to scene brightness are significant. Localized backlight dimming means that a scene with low average brightness uses less power. OLED displays take this to another level - black pixels use no power.

    Also - In this case it appears they were only able to identify which channel a TV was tuned into. DVR makes this MUCH more difficult because fast-forward/rewind vastly increases the number of datasets you need to compare against. Also, while in theory you could identify a DVD, the selection of possible DVDs is so great and the amount of noise in the measurements is such that you're never in practice going to be able to identify someone's watched content reliably.

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    1. Re:A new DPA application by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      No, it wasn't.

      The technologies you're thinking of are:
      1) Van Eck phreaking (affects CRTs) - not sure of any actual implementations of this that were of much use
      2) Local oscillator leakage detection - many TV tuners use a standardized IF frequency, and you can analyze IF and LO leakage to determine where it's tuned. This is also how "radar detector detectors" work.
      3) Generic radio direction finding - hunting down Russian spies that are transmitting is a lot easier than detecting a receive-only device.

      This is a different technique - it analyzes the power usage patterns of a household and matches those to the expected power usage patterns that a set of candidate content would cause in order to determine which content choice was viewed. The larger this content set becomes and the smaller the time intervals compared become (e.g. arbitrary pauses/rewinds/fast-forwards for DVR recordings, Internet streaming, and DVD/BluRay viewing), the harder the task becomes.

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    2. Re:A new DPA application by plover · · Score: 1

      DVR probably doesn't change the equation much at all. Yes, there are very few patterns to match if you say "let's watch for identical channel patterns to what is being broadcast right now." But real pattern matching could be used to match on subsets of the data: 30 seconds of programming at a time might yield enough information to narrow down a clip to a very finite subset, and preceding and following clips would eliminate collisions resulting in the identity of a particular show.

      This technique would work on movies, regardless of their source being DVD, cable, or broadcast.

      I'm with you, though, on the whole "negative impact/is this valuable" question. There are a lot of other bits of data we put into society that identify ourselves and our habits. Is this one going to be affordable enough to make a difference to the marketers? Will spies or law enforcement be able to use this as evidence against me? Is the risk of being monitored higher or lower than the cost of defending against it?

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    3. Re:A new DPA application by Raedwald · · Score: 1

      DVR makes this MUCH more difficult because fast-forward/rewind vastly increases the number of datasets you need to compare against. Also, while in theory you could identify a DVD, the selection of possible DVDs is so great and the amount of noise in the measurements is such that you're never in practice going to be able to identify someone's watched content reliably.

      Welcome to my world. I write software for computing TV ratings, including for DVR and VOD use, and capable of being used for DVDs. It already exists.

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  8. DVR's negate this by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    And most new cable boxes include a DVR.

    Of course, the reason a DVR negates this is that they draw a huge amount of electricity even when you are not watching the show. They are the biggest single draw of electricity most people have. Incredibly wasteful, but so addictive.

    That is because current versions always need to be "on" if you want to record something when you are not around to turn it on.

    Supposedly, new versions will be able to go into 'sleep' mode until their internal clock says it is time to wake up.

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    1. Re:DVR's negate this by geekoid · · Score: 1

      " biggest single draw of electricity most people have. "

      citation needed. I would doubt it pulls more power then my electric stove. or furnace.

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    2. Re:DVR's negate this by Tekfactory · · Score: 1

      It is on more often than your stove, and maybe more than your furnace. The article I read stated DVRs were a bigger drain than new energy efficient Fridges which used to be second only to AC as power draws.

      I was feeling pretty bad about my 2 Tivo habit, so I googled it and apparently Tivo got some Energy Star rating not too long ago for power savings versus their previous models.

      And to the detriment of the GP, a DVR with pretty much consistent power usage decrypting content and constant spinning hard drive would not negate this, the TV would still be the power spiking on the TV as scenes got darker and lighter. Now if the person watching your smart meter setup a hash of the movie or show you were watching, it might not adjust for commercial skipping.

    3. Re:DVR's negate this by vlm · · Score: 1

      " biggest single draw of electricity most people have. "

      citation needed. I would doubt it pulls more power then my electric stove. or furnace.

      I've seen those studies, and it is true if you live a nearly amish lifestyle w/ respect to other electronic devices. Perhaps in a small dorm room? If you exclude everything that can compete, what you want to win usually wins by virtue of being last standing. Also cherry pick the oldest, most wasteful DVR that has ever been deployed in at least quantity 1 to at least one home on the planet. I haven't been able to follow the money to figure out what they are trying to do, maybe they own patents on saving DVR power and are trying to sic the greenies on them to get them to buy patent licensing...

      People like putting AV gear in closets / closed door boxes in their living room. Supposedly people watch TV for 8 hours a day or some nonsense, which means it reaches steady state temperatures every day. Think logically... if the DVR drew 1 KW, then the first day the owner watched TV it would set the "entertainment console" on fire. Therefore you can guess that it must draw less than, say, 100 watts, so as to remain below liquefaction temperature.

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    4. Re:DVR's negate this by plover · · Score: 1

      Judging from the heat they produce, I think my cable boxes draw somewhere around 50 watt-hours each in "standby" mode. I need to plug my Kill-a-Watt in to doublecheck, though.

      Those suckers emit the heat 24 x 7. I don't mind so much in the winter, but in the summer I'm paying extra to pump that heat out of the house.

      Just found on line where someone measured theirs with a kill-a-watt and they draw 45 watt-hours in use, and 42 watt-hours in standby. Definitely not green.

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    5. Re:DVR's negate this by Wovel · · Score: 1

      My pull pump draws a continuous 750 watts...DVR would have a hard time keeping up.I realize we have intelligent pumps now that would pay for themselves in short order, but this one is my friend.

    6. Re:DVR's negate this by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Also, if you effectively skip commercials, the DVR probably pays for itself because your TV is on less.

    7. Re:DVR's negate this by PIBM · · Score: 1

      Depending on where you live, heating can easily be the highest energy consumption. All my computers (multiple of them) on 24/24, NAS, 24 port switches, laser printer (idling most of the time), tvs, surround receivers, along with all the remaining electrical things running in the house beside the heating furnace uses 28% of the total energy consumed per year (yes, it`s all metered), and we are well insulated, triple pane glass etc.

  9. UPS by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    And using a UPS should easily defeat this. Move along, nothing to see here.

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  10. In Soviet Amerika.. by Roachie · · Score: 1

    wait for it....

    TV watch YOU!

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    1. Re:In Soviet Amerika.. by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought TV in America is like TV in 1984, but in color and with more channels.

  11. Re:Van Eck Phreaking by JonySuede · · Score: 1

    According to page 6 of the referenced paper on Van_Eck_phreaking applied to lcd, it does not works on hdcp. A win for DRM, who would have thought.

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  12. In other news by brusk · · Score: 1

    A similar effect can be achieved by analysis of photon leakage through amorphous silica, aka looking through your living room window.

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    1. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They do even better.

      Hidden 3G Chips in TV sets without visible antennas. They run a long strip of metal inside the wafer and connect that to the chip all underneath the top layer..

      Don't say I didn't warn you. The problem is they don't transmit until a receiver picks up a short wave broadcast. So until they are nearby or interested, your device emits no suspicious RF and no one finds anything.

      Posting AC for obvious reasons.....

  13. How about... by walkerp1 · · Score: 2

    simultaneously running an identical device with an inverted signal? Now may I please have my daily allotment of tinfoil? Yummy!

  14. Re:Why do it like this when the cable box can repo by LordKronos · · Score: 2

    Well, for starters, I'm assuming the cable company wouldn't want to be sharing its data with the electric company. Second, this is useful for anyone who doesn't have a cablebox. Cablecards installed into a TV, PC, or anything other than a cablebox are inherently one-way devices. The current spec has no mechanism for them to do 2-way communication (unless it's a SDV system that requires a tuning adapter). The same is true for the little DTA devices and QAM tuners.

  15. I fail to see how it would work anyhow by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    They say that "a minimum of interference from other devices". Right, except my electricity meter is for my house, and it has many other devices. So unless you think I'm going to turn off all my lights, my computers, unplug my fridge, shut off my A/C, and so on when I watch a movie, then I can't see this working.

    Also there's the fact that light vs dark really doesn't have much difference in terms of power draw on an LCD. Yes there is a bit used to change the crystals, but not nearly as much as the backlight. Then to that you add maybe a receiver, drawing power to do sound and so on.

    I could see this perhaps working if you had a meter right on the feed to the TV, but on the whole house? Good luck getting useful data when the A/C is running, drawing 30 amps.

    1. Re:I fail to see how it would work anyhow by Artraze · · Score: 1

      Lights, Fridge, A/C don't provide much noise, and neither will an idling computer*. The last is largely because many people these days use laptops (low power with a big filter to begin with) and often leave them sleeping or with no apps running. Of course, if they're actually using it while watching TV, then all bets are off.

      The thing about TV's, is what you said would be true for CRTs and early LCDs, but I think this will depend a lot on the dynamic features that LCDs employ. Very dark scenes diminish the back light, while very bright will turn it up. Flashing will cause the panel to basically overdrive crystals, etc. I can imagine that, with enough time, you can pick up useful power deviations.

      *I'm assuming the variations they're picking up are on the order of 5W, which are easily distinguished from 100W cooling devices / stoves and the mW white noise that a light might provide.

    2. Re:I fail to see how it would work anyhow by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      I disagree with you, I was in a lab in a past life, that use to develop software to detect things that I can't talk about but I can tell you without breaking my NDA that the fridge compressor was our worst enemy.

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    3. Re:I fail to see how it would work anyhow by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      Also I can tell you that the application was not for any three letters agencies neither was it for the police forces. I would not break anything by telling that it was a modified smart-meter from a European company. That as far as I can talk about it without getting sued...

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    4. Re:I fail to see how it would work anyhow by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      The fridge in my lab uses peltier devices, specifically so we do not have a fridge compressor.
      -nB

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    5. Re:I fail to see how it would work anyhow by geekoid · · Score: 1

      This is for a smart meter set up. So individual devices.

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    6. Re:I fail to see how it would work anyhow by russotto · · Score: 1

      They say that "a minimum of interference from other devices". Right, except my electricity meter is for my house, and it has many other devices. So unless you think I'm going to turn off all my lights, my computers, unplug my fridge, shut off my A/C, and so on when I watch a movie, then I can't see this working.

      Less of a problem than you might think. You have a set of known power profiles for the signals you're looking for. You correlate each with the meter readings. If one or two correlations is much better than the others, you've found the program(s) being watched.

    7. Re:I fail to see how it would work anyhow by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      My computer at idle varies from 71 to 88 watts according to the UPS plugged to it, with the nominal being 73-76. That is because it doesn't really "idle". It has near a hundred processes loaded. So if one of those decides it needs to do something and takes more CPU time, the cores spool up a bit and more power is used. Same deal if it decides something needs to happen with the SSDs, and so on.

      The A/C, well I have no way to monitor that but I know enough about the operation of such a device to tell you that if you think a compressor has a nice, stable, power draw you are kidding yourself. It varies simply because there is no reason to try and regulate it to be extremely precise.

      Please remember also an A/C is not 100W, it is thousands. My A/C is wired to a 240 volt, 50 amp line. It isn't hooked up to that for fun, it is because it needs that kind of power. That gives it a maximum power draw of 12,000 watts. Now there is overhead built in to that, it doesn't draw that full amount of power, but it can come close. Even supposing it's draw is stable to 0.1% you are talking 10 watts of fluctuation or so.

      That's not abnormal either, it is a 4 ton (48,000 Btu) unit.

      Then there's the simple problem of what you are picking up on. So suppose my power usage spools up by the amount my home theater system nominally draws. Ok fine. But perhaps that is the same amount as the difference of my computer at idle, and when placed under the load of a video game (it is actually pretty close, I've checked). How do you know which it is? You might suppose that I've fired one of those two up but you can't really tell which because all you know is my power usage has increased a certain amount. Then of course my A/C kicks in... and you get the picture.

      To me this smacks of "Works only in a lab in a totally controlled setting."

  16. Countermeasures by StikyPad · · Score: 2

    Countermeasures already exist. They're called capacitors.

  17. The bigger problem is ... by xkr · · Score: 1

    Anybody who can hack into the communications link (already published -- easy to crack) can tell if you are home or not. Ideal for someone wanting to break in. Also, a working husband can easily track a stay-at-home (maybe) wife's activity.

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  18. Why go to the trouble? by jdcope · · Score: 1

    The feds can just ask the cable companies what you are watching. They'll cave.

    1. Re:Why go to the trouble? by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      But the power companies cannot.

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  19. Standard TV set by vlm · · Score: 2

    I think the key in the article is "standard TV set" by which they mean a CRT. A CRT varies its HT current draw by scene brightness, and its quite visibly obvious when troubleshooting. Heck even a cheapie consumer grade wattmeter could probably detect it. On /. a CRT is probably not considered a "standard TV" anymore, but out in the real world, deployed CRTs on the ground showing shiney pictures probably still outnumber all other deployed and working technologies, at least for a few more years...

    On the other hand, the florescent backlight in my piece of junk basement LCD TV is constant power draw, no matter if the LCD pixels let light thru or not. The LCD pixels themselves draw about the same no matter scene brightness. Anyone who's ever done anything with embedded systems knows this... the LCD display itself is usually rated around a milliamp, most of which is wasted in the control ckts, and the backlight usually draws a good fraction of an amp. Even allowing for much higher current draw for fast moving scenes and higher contrast, I'm betting the backlight still wins for power draw.

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    1. Re:Standard TV set by owlstead · · Score: 1

      "I think the key in the article is "standard TV set" by which they mean a CRT. A CRT varies its HT current draw by scene brightness, and its quite visibly obvious when troubleshooting. Heck even a cheapie consumer grade wattmeter could probably detect it. On /. a CRT is probably not considered a "standard TV" anymore, but out in the real world, deployed CRTs on the ground showing shiney pictures probably still outnumber all other deployed and working technologies, at least for a few more years..."

      Maybe in the third world, but in NL, you would really strugle to find a household that stills uses a CRT, let allone an electronics store, that still sells CRT's. I'm on my second LCD already, and I only buy when something breaks (ok, the remote broke, but a 17" wide screen without HDMI and FullHD is not much as main screen :).

      I see CRT's regularly though - mostly in storage rooms in the house, because people keep stuff that works, and bringing the TV to the recycle center is a job in itself.

    2. Re:Standard TV set by BillX · · Score: 1

      Like mentioned in other posts - this does not only work on CRTs (of which Plasma is a type), but also *most* modern LCDs as well as the LED/OLED screens that are already beginning to displace them. About the only screens whose power consumption does not depend on scene brightness is old fixed-backlight LCDs, which are mostly displaced these days by "dynamic contrast" backlighting.

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    3. Re:Standard TV set by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      The backlight is often modulated by the scene brightness to save power. However, this is a much slower effect then on CRT, so the amount of information is going to be orders of magnitude lower. I don't know how much of a capacitance is in a standard CRT setup, if it is low enough, you should be able to exctract the brightness of each sub-pixel, recreating the picture entirely. The backlight of an LCD TV is modulated on the order of tens of seconds, so even if the you can only read the brightness of each frame on a CRT, we are still talking two orders of magnitude (plus much more device-specifics, such as the time of modulation).

    4. Re:Standard TV set by vlm · · Score: 1

      TI don't know how much of a capacitance is in a standard CRT setup, if it is low enough, you should be able to exctract the brightness of each sub-pixel, recreating the picture entirely

      The capacitance is pretty high... high enough to give a decent shock, but low enough that the voltage would vary with "overall scene brightness" I guess I'm saying the time constant, as a rough guess, is/was about a tenth of a second.

      CRTs are/were always cathode modulated not anode modulated. That said, and /. culture being what it is, someone will find an obscure 1955 soviet military radar that anode modulated, in fact I'm kinda looking forward to it.

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  20. Get another TV by cvtan · · Score: 1

    Have two TVs on at the same time viewing different programs.

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    1. Re:Get another TV by vlm · · Score: 1

      Have two TVs on at the same time viewing different programs.

      The crypto equivalent of xoring the same passphrase on two known plaintexts. Not gonna work.

      Its like saying a fourier transform can detect two individual sine waves, but not a combination of sine waves. not how it works. In fact it's great at that.

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    2. Re:Get another TV by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Sure but sine waves are easy, they are regular. If you combine two random wave forms together they aren't so easy to separate.

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  21. Re:modern LCD display by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Plenty of modern LCD displays use dynamic back-lighting to improve contrast and low light detail.

    From wikipedia: "Since the total amount of light reaching the viewer is a combination of the backlighting and shuttering, modern sets can use "dynamic backlighting" to improve the contrast ratio and shadow detail. If a particular area of the screen is dark, a conventional set will have to set its shutters close to opaque to cut down the light. However, if the backlighting is reduced by half in that area, the shuttering can be reduced by half, and the number of available shuttering levels in the sub-pixels doubles."

  22. After all these years by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    They still don't get it. TV on != watching. I know a hell of a lot of people who just have it on to have background noise but are paying exactly zero attention to the television.

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    1. Re:After all these years by AkkarAnadyr · · Score: 1

      Indeed. When we turned off cable in the nineties, an eager young fellow came to the door with a proposition. He was from Nielsen, and was delighted to find a family with a TV and no cable! We signed up for a year or so, and they came in with some incredibly frowzy phone lines and dongles to automate sending data summaries at 3AM.

      We drove them bonkers with long periods of watching Channel 68, which was static/snow in our area without a registered channel. They kept calling to ask to check on the health of the system, and we had to keep telling them the data was accurate - we had it on for white noise so the baby could sleep while we did housework.

      Finally we bailed just to get them to shut up, since dealing with this special case seemed to be beyond their comprehension, let alone their data gathering protocol.

      "Try and understand the words, they will be English: 'We don't watch TV.' "

      Told them that up front, yet they still wanted our info. Except not really. Sayonara, suckers.

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    2. Re:After all these years by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      somewhere you made a data analyst cry. Bravo.

      I would do something like that just for giggles. Kinda like Jury Duty. Best way to be excused is to want to be on a jury (you can watch the defense attorney's brain crumple when they hear that).

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    3. Re:After all these years by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      I'll do you one better. I was seeing someone who got endlessly annoyed at radio, at TV, at anything blatantly advertising becauese she understood what they were doing, and how. And it bothered her.

      I never noticed. I knew that the new episode of House was coming soon, but I still can't tell you when. I can ask if she saw that commercial about the whatever, and she asks what's it for? I have no idea, it had the things in it. She didn't notice any of that, only that it was advertising.

      I have an ad filter, and all of that filters out. I had to ask her when something started (I don't even remember what, some special deal) because I could not remember 10 seconds ago. 10 seconds into the next commercial, I realized I might have wanted to know whatever they were talking about. Really? They said it like 6 times, and you didn't get it? No, I said, I actually don't pay attention, like I've been telling you for the past several months. I ignore it, and I wish you would too.

      I can listen to a radio spot, hum the tune, and be asked a simple trivia question about it, and I cannot tell you one fact about what they said. I tune out the words, any advertising information at all.

      So they can measure anything they want to. Advertising, which is the only thing they want to know about, is completely lost on me. I watch the super bowl, don't care who wins, just to watch the commercials. And people ask me if I say the Chevy or the Whirlpool or whatever commercial.. I don't know. I saw the one with the hamsters, or the rock star, I don't know what brand. For a thousand dollars, I could not come up with the answer for more than maybe 1 out of 5.

      Go to hell, advertising. Or not, I really won't notice. Won't miss you, won't notice you're gone. Just keep paying for free stuff like OTA television and radio.

      Actually, fuck that. Everything that's advertised had to pay for the spot. I actually want to know what ads I'm seeing or hearing so I can avoid their products. If it's not good enough for my friends, it's not good enough for me, and we will find something else. Please, let me remember what adverts I have seen so I know what to avoid! /not an actual wish.

  23. Re:Why do it like this when the cable box can repo by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    I've never connected my DirecTV to a phone line or to the Internet because of this.

    The set complains every so often :} and no I've never ordered any on demand program or PPV.

  24. Any other var load on the circuit would counteract by guruevi · · Score: 1

    It is indeed possible if you have a constant or recurring draw from other sinks (like resistive lights, capacitive motors etc.) but I guess if you have even one of those malfunctioning with a random draw (such as an off-center aquarium pump or an AC unit) or you add signals (like X10 or Ethernet-over-Powerline) that this kind of 'attack' is quickly trumped unless you can get right at the circuit where the TV is on. For that matter, I think an optical attack would be much more reliable (where you measure the light output reflection through someone's windows as they watch TV) but then you might just be find that a spy cam and/or a telelens is much more reliable. If you have those CableCo DVR boxes, they can also be queried remotely.

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  25. What else you could do with a smart meter by prefec2 · · Score: 2

    See when you open your refrigerator, when your heating kicks in even if it is gas driven due to the start pulse. Every electricity consumption can be monitored and it can be interpreted allowing to see when you get up, what your behavior is (at home). That's why we need data security. No company should be allowed to use these data other than to control electricity production.

  26. How this would actually work, and its real limits. by queazocotal · · Score: 2

    This is not as simple as some people think to block. A simple random load added to the mains signal will not do it.
    In order to find out if you're watching a given TV program - first you take the TV program, and measure every 5 second periods average brightness..
    This gives you 720 samples for an hour.
    Now, you load up 720 5 second samples from the targets electricity meter.

    You subtract the average value from each of these, so they're symmetrical about 0.

    Now, you go through the list, multiplying the first brightness by the first measured energy use, and add this to a total. Repeat this 720 times.

    Now, you have the correlation of the power with the TV program.
    This is _MUCH_LARGER_ than the correlation of any single time period, and any noise or random non-correlated signal such as fridges or freezers drops out to a large degree.

    Random signals have to be of the order of sqrt(720) - 36 times larger than the signal to mask it.

    (It's not quite this bad, as there will be some false correlation, epecially given there will be millions of candidate programs, and 5s offsets that can occur)
    And yes, LCDs, especially LCDs with newer variable power 'energy saving' backlights that dim or brighten along with the program content to optimise contrast and power use will work for this just fine.

  27. Re:Van Eck Phreaking by queazocotal · · Score: 1

    If you read carefully that - it says only if the HDCP signal goes all the way to the display. It doesn't.
    Inside the monitor, the cable from the mainboard of the monitor to the LCD screen contains an unencrypted LVDS signal still, which can be snooped.

  28. I make these Smart Metering Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First you are not going to get second by second readings from your standard L&G or Itron meter. The back haul doesn't have the bandwidth and even if you had a second broadband ESI (energy service interface) in your home there are a few technical hurdles preventing 1 second granularity (2.5 seconds is the fastest that I've seen and not sustained).

    However these meters also report the phase difference between the Voltage and the Current. Using this information you can filter out pool pumps, air conditioners, furnace fan etc. As you learn more about what is on in a persons home it does become easier to figure out how an individual appliance is working.

    There are a large number of privacy concerns that need to be addressed with Smart Metering. We should probably solve them before some companies start using your personal electricity consumption as a revenue stream

    1. Re:I make these Smart Metering Devices by xororand · · Score: 2

      First you are not going to get second by second readings from your standard L&G or Itron meter. The back haul doesn't have the bandwidth and even if you had a second broadband ESI (energy service interface) in your home there are a few technical hurdles preventing 1 second granularity (2.5 seconds is the fastest that I've seen and not sustained).

      However these meters also report the phase difference between the Voltage and the Current. Using this information you can filter out pool pumps, air conditioners, furnace fan etc. As you learn more about what is on in a persons home it does become easier to figure out how an individual appliance is working.

      There are a large number of privacy concerns that need to be addressed with Smart Metering. We should probably solve them before some companies start using your personal electricity consumption as a revenue stream

      Thanks for the info, AC.
      I wish I had mod points.

  29. Useless research by Ossifer · · Score: 1

    FTFA: "Light and dark passages in these films, large volumes of data, and a minimum of interference from other devices are the key to performing this analysis."

    My smartmeter reports hourly total usage, not "large volumes of data"...

    1. Re:Useless research by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      To you. Who knows what it sends upstream?

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    2. Re:Useless research by Ossifer · · Score: 1

      Isn't Digg the better site for conspiracy theories?

  30. Re:UPS? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Well unless I am mistaken the smart meter does not know what outlet you are plunged into, as the breaker is the only thing that knows that and that is normally inside and owned by the building owner.

    And multiple things running at the same time for the most part is useless as everyone always has multiple things running at the same time. the basic idea here is that most things have a ~ constant voltage while a TV varies a lot and it is the change in voltage that matters and corresponds to a particular show.
    And yes you have lights turning on a off, heaters and coolers doing the same, ovens heating up and then just maintain temp but thoes are all big jumps that last for at least minutes, TVs very at every frame.

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  31. Re:Van Eck Phreaking by JonySuede · · Score: 1

    you are right, they could probably filter the hdcp signal and tune to the unencrypted LVDS.

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  32. Finally! by srussia · · Score: 1, Funny

    I can camouflage my grow op simply by modulating the lights using a photocell aimed at a TV tuned 24/7 to Fox News!

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    1. Re:Finally! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      "Sir, we are concerned. You appear to have 4000 TV sets all tuned to Fox News. Are you OK?"

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  33. Re:Why do it like this when the cable box can repo by marnues · · Score: 2

    To add to the other commenter, cableboxes are mostly one-way devices as well. They keep trying to implement 2-way communications, but even if the box is capable the cable company I work for does not implement this. Video engineers are a dying breed because they don't want to learn about things like 2-way communication and packet switching. I can guarantee that once the network engineers have their way and video is just another packet service, the pipes will be cleaner, your digital feed will be much smoother, and Nielson will be dead as a doorknob.

  34. I call BS by scottbomb · · Score: 1

    There is no way they can tell what someone is watching on their TV by looking at electric consumption. There are too way many variables involved to make this even plausible.

    I'd like to see some proof, in English.

  35. There's no way this is right by sxltrex · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work for a large utility that is currently implementing an AMI system. I can tell you from first hand knowledge that no utility gets (or wants) usage data from its customers every 2 seconds. At my utility we collect usage in 1 hour bins for residential customers and 15 minute bins for commercial and industrial customers. The amount of database storage we would need to collect 2 second interval data from all of our customers would be staggering. As it is we've had to invest in a large server farm to handle the data we are getting.

    If I had to guess I'd say that the 2 second intervals are for in-home monitoring using a ZigBee HAN, or something similar (the EasyMeter website is in German and does not appear to have much technical info).

    1. Re:There's no way this is right by phoenix_V · · Score: 1

      Even in HAN deployments the utility doesn't poll that frequently, the in home display can, the utility? once a day just as they do on their non-HAN meters. No sane utility company would even *want* that much data, the volume after a month would be staggering.

  36. Re:How this would actually work, and its real limi by Wovel · · Score: 1

    If we did not have DVRs and 500 channels, this would be a lot easier :)

  37. Re:Why do it like this when the cable box can repo by networkBoy · · Score: 2

    I was told that I "had to connect my receiver to the phone or internet for correct operation". I said I have kids, I will not honor any PPV purchases. They dropped the issue.

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  38. Re:Why do it like this when the cable box can repo by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Because that idea spoils the whole "smart meters are evil and are corrupting our vital bodily fluids" theory.

  39. WOuldn't work in most US markets. by phoenix_V · · Score: 1

    I can negate the need for the tinfoil hat with a small amount of authority, my current company builds smart meters, mostly for the US market and the software
    to run many of them (not naming names but if you really want to know look up cell based meters, should find us) and the simple fact is that with that type
    of meter the power profile lacks the resolution for such snooping, the most often I have seen the usage profile read is once an hour, and that (probably) is
    not enough info to do what they are doing. (H-online is down for me as I write this, I will try again later to read it) In the type of meter's I see such detailed
    information is just that, too detailed. A 2mb a month data plan is the typical provisioning and the meters generally use half that in a given month.

    Note wireless mesh meters may be another story, at least in some deployments, however the only such network like that I have any direct experience with
    uses a cell based relay station to phone home with and again doesn't seem to send enough data for such evil observations to be made.

    End result? You could do it, but real life smart meter systems have one giant consideration that stops this from working, cost effectiveness, power companies
    don't want to pay for data, that just want to know how much of your money to take.

    1. Re:Wouldn't work in most US markets. by phoenix_V · · Score: 1

      I finally got to the article, and reporting in every 2 seconds? That's way, way more frequently then most meters are read, once a day is the norm, once
      and hour is the extreme. In fact the only devices I have seen that can read the meters I work with that frequently are in home display units, certainly not
      the utilities putting the meters out there, they simply don't want that volume of data.

  40. Power over ethernet by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

    Why do power supplies need 14 lines to my motherboard?

    Only 6 for the various voltages.

    As far as other posters. mentioning plugging in other devices... they'd have to have random current incoming. The only thing that would work is a UPS which only charges on intervals. Which is basically a laptop power supply...

  41. Oh really? by PPH · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    Light and dark passages in these films,

    An LCD set with fluorescent lamp backlights doesn't use more or less power for light or dark scenes. The lamps run at a constant intensity and the LCD shutters (requiring a minute amount of power compared to the backlight) regulates the light passing through.

    Its possible that a plasma or old CRT TV set power consumption might vary with picture output. But I'd expect the sound to be as much a factor as the picture.

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  42. Could also use the plumbing by Kittenman · · Score: 1
    They've had cases in the UK where everyone was glued to their TV sets until the adverts came on, then rushed to the toilet. Water consumption soared for a minute or three, then back to normal again when the TV show (Eric and Ernie's Christmas special?) was back on.

    Analyzing the advertising times against the water consumption - and we've got it.

    Of course we're assuming

    a) everyone flushes

    b) everyone uses the toilet for their "private time", rather than the nearest bush or garden ornament

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    1. Re:Could also use the plumbing by coolmadsi · · Score: 1

      They've had cases in the UK where everyone was glued to their TV sets until the adverts came on, then rushed to the toilet. Water consumption soared for a minute or three, then back to normal again when the TV show (Eric and Ernie's Christmas special?) was back on.

      I remember hearing about something similar, although it was a surge in electricity usage as people turned the kettle on to boil some water to make a cup of tea (it is England...) during the ad breaks.

  43. Not so much. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_meter

    Smart meters just talk to the utility company more often. It is still a single point of reading because that's all they care about. The power company doesn't give a shit what I spend my power on, they just need to know how much so they can charge me for it. Not only would they have trouble getting people to agree to monitors on every outlet, but there's no way they'd want to bear the cost, or the insurance issues. They want a single point of demarcation past which nothing is their problem, and that is the meter. They just want meters that can read automatically, and more often.

  44. Re:modern LCD display by BillX · · Score: 1

    That, and it's only a matter of time before LED/OLED screens reach cost-parity with LCD and supplant them anyway. Old-skool LCDs with fixed backlights are a dying breed.

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  45. Holy crap! by BillX · · Score: 1

    I've been waiting for myself to get enough free time to show *exactly this*. The vast majority of TVs - basically everything except LCDs without any kind of "dynamic contrast" feature - have current consumption that is dependent on screen brightness. A Google or similar statistical hivemind could potentially tease out the shows being displayed on a screen in a 'normal' house (not only contrived lab setup) because most household power consumption either switches on much larger timescales than scene-brightness transitions (most don't flick their light switches every few seconds) or else have a repeatable current profile (dish / clothes washer and other appliances). These repeatable light + appliance patterns could be used similarly to estimate when you are home and how many guests you are housing (via how often the dish/laundry runs).

    An old electronic technician's trick got me started on the idea - when repairing blown gadgets, you wire an ordinary lightbulb socket in series with the outlet you plug the gadget into. Start with a low-wattage e.g. 40W fridge bulb, and move up as needed. The bulb acts as a current limiter in case there are any remaining faults, and gives you a visual indication of the gadget's instantaneous current, with various 'normal' and fault conditions producing a distinct visual pattern (e.g. "solid on" at plug-in usually indicates a dead short across the HOT / main switching transistor). When doing this with a CRT set (haven't tried it with others), the bulb brightness does directly and eerily track the average scene brightness.

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  46. Re:How this would actually work, and its real limi by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    This is not as simple as some people think to block. A simple random load added to the mains signal will not do it.

    True, but a second TV on the same meter will.

  47. Digital timers, by Kuruk · · Score: 1

    Get half a dozen digital timers and put them on random mode with small devices.

    Better yet invent a device that randomly rotates power usage from small spikes to big appliance spikes.

    It the end it costs the owner money to run to make bad data.

  48. Re:Why do it like this when the cable box can repo by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    Their rather emphatic about it aren't they. One installer was so serious about it
    I plugged in the phone line until he left . Another installer was at a total loss
    when I mentioned I only had a cell phone.

    I've had DirecTV for over ten years now and I've never had it connected to a phone line
    (Ok, that once but it was new) as the years progressed they have become more relaxed about it.

    This new SWM system they have takes up some serious space just to communicate via the Internet.
    Once the installer left it was gone. It cleaned up nicely and gave me back an AC outlet.

    I have nothing but good things to say about DirecTV, I just don't let them know I like the History channel.

  49. I call BS on this. by bjwest · · Score: 1

    Unless each channel uses a different amount of energy, there is no way in hell they can determine who's watching what show from the power meter.

    OK, I'll admit I didn't RTFA, but give me a fucking break. With 500+ channels, there is no way in hell they can figure out who's watching what especially during prime time. It's called prime time because it's the time of day 99.9% of the TV watching public is watching TV. Also, who's to say that power drain isn't a computer, fan, or even a few incandescent lights?

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  50. What about... by xded · · Score: 1

    What about contacting some advertising company interested in consumers' TV habits. I suppose they would easily pay you enough to upgrade your farm and score some return...

    1. Re:What about... by sxltrex · · Score: 1

      Beyond the storage requirement (which I believe you're seriously underestimating), no AMI system in the US has the bandwidth to handle that kind of traffic. Most of them use unlicensed spectrum in the 902-928MHz band (FCC Part 15 rules) going peer to peer until they get to a bigger pipe for the back haul. The networks simply aren't designed to handle that much data. Remember, you're talking about 1,800 data points per hour per meter. I know for a fact we can't ramp up for that, and I know for a fact that the three technologies used by most of the utilities in the US (Landis+Gyr Gridstream, Itron Openway, and SilverSpring Networks) can't handle it, either.

  51. Re:How this would actually work, and its real limi by queazocotal · · Score: 1

    A second TV is merely noise, from the perspective of the program you're checking.
    You simply get two results out, not one.

  52. Really lame by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

    Since most people get their TV from a digital service like cable with a set top box or U-verse or FIOS, "they" can just check what their servers streamed to you, or hav ethe local device report back.

    Why would they go through easily defeatable shenanigans with power draw analysis to do the same thing?

  53. Energy Storage A Possible Solution by barakn · · Score: 1

    The whole purpose of metering is to track usage of power whose price varies with time. One could thus install an energy storage device such as a flywheel that stores energy during cheap times and releases energy during expensive times. The client would by necessity need to track their own energy usage to make such a system work using a monitoring device downstream from the storage device which would itself be downstream from the utility company's monitoring device. The storage device could thus be used to smooth out energy drawn from the energy company. During cheap times, the storage device would store extra energy during periods of low load (when viewing the "dark" moments of a movie, for example). During expensive times, the storage device would release extra energy during periods of high load, e.g. when viewing the bright moments of a movie. The client benefits by having privacy, by having a backup power supply in case of outages, and by switching to lower cost power. The power company benefits by needing to supply less power at times of peak demand, and by having a more balanced load overall.

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