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Why We Love Things We Build Ourselves

RichDiesal writes "The IKEA Effect refers to the tendency for people to value things they have created/built themselves more than if made by someone else – in fact, nearly as much as if an expert with much greater skill had created the same item. Is this the reason that open source software proponents are so 'enthusiastic' about their products while the general market resists them – because those proponents had a hand in developing them?"

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  1. to and extent.. by slydder · · Score: 0

    this is most assuredly true. I have noticed this tendency in myself over the years and have, at times, been hard pressed to see the other side of the coin.

    1. Re:to and extent.. by justforgetme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do agree that the IKEA effect is real but I don't think that FOSS is a pile of crap like the OP hints
      from the summary: " ... while the general market resists them ... "

      I'm no expert here but I think the general market embraces FOSS software. I mean look at firefox, openoffice, vlc, mpc-hc... and when you get to smaller utilities it is even more open source stuff: ffmpeg (and many other codecs), hundreds of browser plugins, you name it they have it in open source.

      If the OP meant FOSS OSs then I partially agree, the genpop is not interested and mainly avoids FOSS OSs but the reason behind it is not the IKEA effect but the "I am afraid to learn new things" effect which has plagued humankind for that best part of last century and the full ongoing one..
      just my 2c

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    2. Re:to and extent.. by erroneus · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Ikea is a pile of incompatible crap. And frankly, I don't subscribe to that mindset at all. I have enough Ikea crap here to know I don't like Ikea crap. And when it comes to software I write myself vs someone else's who did a better job? I'm going to go with what's better.

      My Linux is in primary use by me because it is good. It is used in countless reliable devices because it is good.

      The main thing the mainstream has against "alternatives to Windows" is that they can't just get any software to run and most software is for Windows. Apple/Mac users understand this much. And when Windows users try Mac, that's the first thing they realize. It's a huge problem to let go of an entire software ecosystem in favor of a smaller, less known one.

      The Ikea effect is a nice idea and might have been more true a decade or more ago, but not so much now.

    3. Re:to and extent.. by slydder · · Score: 0

      I should have clarified my answer a bit better. I basically agree with the IKEA effect only.

      Whether it's OS or commercial software doesn't matter. The effect is the same and is purely a matter of context.

      I have coded in both areas and have noticed this effect, not only in myself but others as well. And depending on how involved one is in the Project determines also how emphatic one is regarding the Project and thus determining the degree of the IKEA effect in play.

    4. Re:to and extent.. by slydder · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure about that. I get the feeling that it is more true today than before.

      Just look at some of the competing Projects out there. Some are obviously dying a slow death and the devs just won't let it go. But hey, you never know. They could just make a comeback in a few months/years time.

    5. Re:to and extent.. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      And there are many reasons for project slowdowns and death, ranging from "it was a bad idea to begin with" to "wow, look at that cool stuff over there" and everything in between.

      The importance of self-made items is that there's a Darwinian direct benefit. We like them because they're likely customized in a way that more generic items are not. Consider also that if we didn't like them, we would be unlikely to make them, and where would we be now? Ikea has nothing to do with it save you're the screwdriver artist.

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    6. Re:to and extent.. by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "...(Firefox) is used by a minority of users."
      26.7% versus 35.4 for IE is a minority, true, it has 9% less than IE.
      http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

      "OpenOffice is only used by "normal" people to the very small extent it is because it's free."
      I use it because it doesn't have a fucking ribbon, I wouldn't use MS office if it gave money on top.

    7. Re:to and extent.. by ciotog · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert here but I think the general market embraces FOSS software.

      No, the general market embraces software which works for them.

      No, the general market uses the software that comes with the computer when they buy it, unless it's really bad (like some disk burning utilities, etc).

      The software that comes pre-installed on most systems isn't FOSS due to inside bundling deals, not due to the quality of the software.

    8. Re:to and extent.. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Ikea is a pile of incompatible crap. And frankly, I don't subscribe to that mindset at all. I have enough Ikea crap here to know I don't like Ikea crap.

      You're not supposed to like it, you're supposed to buy it. I haven't heard a single person say they buy IKEA stuff for their high quality or elegant design. Yet everyone has enough from IKEA to have something to complain about, what does that say? Mostly that people like to have something to complain about.

      P.S. If you complain about assembling things from IKEA, then you haven't tried much of the competition. The product is so-so but their instructions, illustrations and self-assembly methods are much better. Of course things done by a real craftsman would be better, it's something everyone talks about but very few actually buy.

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    9. Re:to and extent.. by Nursie · · Score: 1

      General population, sure, but Open Source operating systems are doing great in areas where the general public aren't making the decisions, just using the services. See -

      Android
      NAS firmware
      Routers
      Enterprise linux servers

    10. Re:to and extent.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A project can also die because it's "complete." Take for example log4j. Every once and a while they have a maintenance release but I would argue that the logging system is complete. Of course, it depends on how you define a "dead" project. Log4j gets used all the time so in that sense it's still very much alive. On the other hand it's not really being improved in meaningful ways.

    11. Re:to and extent.. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Even complete projects need periodic code reviews and lib checks. But I understand what you're saying. Some projects are also eclipsed (no pun intended) by new thinking, or project amalgamation-- or funding changes.

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    12. Re:to and extent.. by spiffmastercow · · Score: 1

      I actually buy from Ikea in large part for their design, and the fact that their furniture is modular. For instance, if I buy a bookcase and decide I don't really want to display my books anymore, I buy a sliding glass door, some stands, and I've turned it into a nice little liquor cabinet/bar. The quality is actually better than much of what you'll get at a "real" furniture store, as well.

    13. Re:to and extent.. by bberens · · Score: 1

      I view Ikea products as disposable furniture. You buy it when you're a renter, or you want to decorate a child's room on the cheap. It's a decent quality product at a fair price for what it is intended to be. If you want something that will last then you pay for it.

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    14. Re:to and extent.. by GodInHell · · Score: 1

      This is not entirely true, or at least there are other motivators as well.

      I am passionate about Free and Open Source software and advocate for its use wherever possible. I am not, however, a programer. I'm unable to contribute to the software I use, but I am a major proponent of the concept that the tools I and millions of other people use every day to be productive and creative shouldn't be closed source, expensive, and controlled by anyone with a profit motive.

      I think the best example of why we need free and open software is the walled garden of Ipxxx devices created by apple. At first it seems reasonable that they limit and control what can be installed -- hey look, no malware, but then they use that control to also cut down and eliminate competition and deny me access to the full potential of the hardware I paid to own. This is a powerful driver for me -- and I think the people who see the disadvantages of handing control over out ability to create and work with computers are at least as motivated as the designers and coders who put the software together.

      -GiH

    15. Re:to and extent.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VLC is a student project and it shows. They can't get their god-damn mutexes right! I recommend ogg frog. The lead programmer cares about memory leaks and other bugs. He's worked in the embedded world where a memory leak means your brakes fail or your plans stalls and you die. I like that attention to detail in software -- that's why ogg frog is my audio player of choice. (At least until Donald Knuth writes an audio player!)

    16. Re:to and extent.. by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      Donald Knuth

      Have his collection on programming, very good stuff. Didn't know about ogg frog, looks a bit like WIP so I think I'll give it some time and check back later.

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    17. Re:to and extent.. by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      The reason we (the humans) need FOSS is because it is in our best interests to be able to keep the information age functional after the Company bites the dust. The one best quality of FOSS is the power to keep a project going long after it's creator gave up on it. The walled garden is just a small tasting of what it means to have your life governed by corporate strategy || it's failings. Look at how that has infuriated people from time to time.

      Proprietary software companies are getting too big too quickly and sooner or later will be, in senate, begging for some trillions to not go bust. Just like the automakers and investment Bankers of the USA did a couple of years ago and look how nice that was. Want another example? main population ignores the effect proprietary monopolies have on their lifes because it suits them. That way Bob 6pack won't have to learn one thing more until he dies and he likes that. He ignores the monopolies because it is convenient for him. Now look at all the Greeks and how that worked out for them. Ignoring the doings of their elected officials for personal interest for almost two generations now; Greece has sunk into so much excrement it bankrupt itself and now is threatening to bankrupt the euro-zone aswell.

      But yeah as long as the idiot gets health insurance and his cerotic kidney replaced, who cares.

      brainless unprovoked rants

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    18. Re:to and extent.. by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Actually, one of the main reasons I dislike Ikea is the maze I have to walk through to get to anything. That is beyond annoying to me.

      The incompatibility thing, which I'm surprised no one has questioned me about, has to do with common sizes of sheets and mattresses and other things. When I discovered that "queen size" isn't "queen size" and so on, I was pretty upset. "...but it's European so it's better" is just ridiculous. We have standards in the US which imported products should conform to. You know, like steering wheels on the left side of the car and stuff like that? This "slightly off sizes" are just vendor lock-in and, I pretty much hate such tactics.

    19. Re:to and extent.. by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      VLC works fine. I never had any problem with it ( something i can't say about other players i've tried ).
      The Ogg Frog website has a link to VLC ?

    20. Re:to and extent.. by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      Some versions of VLC will also run without installing it locally. I've hooked users of coporate you-cant-admin-this laptops with a copy of VLC that will run from a thumb drive so they can watch DVD's without paying some BS licence or dealing with some BS IT security policy.

    21. Re:to and extent.. by bonch · · Score: 0

      I do agree that the IKEA effect is real but I don't think that FOSS is a pile of crap like the OP hints
      from the summary: " ... while the general market resists them ... "

      The summary doesn't imply at all that OSS is a "pile of crap." It simply states a fact.

      I'm no expert here but I think the general market embraces FOSS software. I mean look at firefox, openoffice, vlc, mpc-hc... and when you get to smaller utilities it is even more open source stuff: ffmpeg (and many other codecs), hundreds of browser plugins, you name it they have it in open source.

      Most people don't even know what vlc, mpc-hc, or ffmpeg are. The only one that people might be familiar with is Firefox.

    22. Re:to and extent.. by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      The quality is actually better than much of what you'll get at a "real" furniture store, as well.

      We must define "real" in terms of furniture much differently. Because my definition of real furniture from a real furniture store does not include any particle board.

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    23. Re:to and extent.. by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      I might be generalizing here but: if you have been on the Internet you have used at least some part of ffmpeg. If this doesn't apply to You then I'm sorry for your miserable colorless lifestyle. ;-)

      also: stop nagging about unrealistic things in a serious manner. Yes, I am talking about your signature.

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    24. Re:to and extent.. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      "...(Firefox) is used by a minority of users."
      26.7% versus 35.4 for IE is a minority, true, it has 9% less than IE.

      Ouch. For the above figures, FF has ~25% fewer users than IE, not 9%.

    25. Re:to and extent.. by spiffmastercow · · Score: 1

      Take your "real" furniture apart. If you're not spending at least 10x as much as at Ikea, you're going to find particle board or plywood.

    26. Re:to and extent.. by WNight · · Score: 1

      Your standard is pretty weak - you care about the material, not the result. I want furniture that won't break in regular use and isn't just overbuilt to cost more. Particle board is bad in some uses, 'solid wood' bad for others.

      It sounds like your 'real furniture stores' are just pretentious crap-shacks selling the same lame workmanship but in more expensive materials or they'd have given you better standards.

    27. Re:to and extent.. by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      I can assure you that my furniture is in fact made of actual wood. And yes, imagine that.....you have to pay for quality.

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    28. Re:to and extent.. by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      Yes, on my last furniture purchase I should have recognized what a crap-shack that Amish guy was running. The place didn't even have electricity for crying out loud.

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    29. Re:to and extent.. by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

      Particle board yes, but some form of plywood is used in almost all "real" furniture. We're talking hardwood veneered plywood that you get from a lumber dealer, not the crap you can buy down at Home Depot, but even so, plywood is not synonymous with crappy furniture.

    30. Re:to and extent.. by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

      Particle board is bad in almost all cases, but plywood does have very real advantages over solid wood. For instance, plywood is much more stable over time and is not nearly as subject to the expansion and contraction due to changes in humidity as solid wood is. Go to any million dollar home and look at their kitchen cabinets - the faces will be solid wood but the side, top, bottom and back panels will all be plywood. It's more durable and less hassle, it's not used because it costs less, it's used because it's better for that particular purpose.

    31. Re:to and extent.. by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that VLC is used by a large percentage of folks that regularly watch media other than Netflix or Youtube on their PCs. Their interface isn't the best but as far as functionality it can do just about anything you'd want.

    32. Re:to and extent.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, but 9 percent points less.

  2. Yes by fantomas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes.

    1. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No?

      I am OSS enthusiast, I promote code, even though I have no skills of writing it?

    2. Re:Yes by terjeber · · Score: 1

      It doesn't explain why it doesn't have a higher uptake in the world at large.

      Thankfully that can also be explained by the IKEA effect. Open source software, to a huge degree, looks like it was put together by someone with only the vaguest idea of how it will actually be used. As with IKEA furniture, the "parents" have strong ideas on how to actually do it, and what the end result should look like and each discussion about this ends in a divorce and two parents hacking together semi-functional furniture in different houses. Mostly the parents gets religion at this point centered around how IKEA furniture should look and be used. While the parents are arguing the children are languishing in limbo an never really get any usable desk on which to do their homework.

      There are exceptions to this, the Linux core for example, has a single parent mostly and is being managed dictatorially according to good IKEA furniture building practice. I wish I could say the same for any Linux GUI for example, or OO for that matter, and don't get me going on that bloated memory-leaking horror that is Firefox.

    3. Re:Yes by somersault · · Score: 2

      That seems to be what the trollish summary is trying to get at though. Most software designers are excited about their software, whether it's open source or proprietary. The summary reads as if it's trying to say that open source is only popular among its creators, which is clearly not true.

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    4. Re:Yes by somersault · · Score: 1

      I really hope this parents divorcing analogy doesn't catch on. All those poor imaginary children.. it's so sad.

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    5. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://enlightenment.org/ http://thedocumentfoundation.org/ http://mozilla.com/

      Seriously, do your research before bitching. OO is deprecated, and LibreOffice is already starting to differentiate itself really well. Firefox 6 is about a million times better than 3.x, and FF7-8 are supposed to be even better than that.

    6. Re:Yes by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Oh now I understand. Thanks!

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  3. Its kind of in our nature, no? by metalmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, the world has it's share of deadbeats but there are plenty of parents out there who would do anything to watch their kids succeed. Isn't that what an application is to its developer?

    Maybe its something else though. I know that when i was going through my programming lessons I really wanted to get things done perfectly. Sure, the lessons from the texts were cookiecutter, but i went on to play with the concepts learned from the text. I played with my own small applications and wrote features I thought would be interesting or necessary. It wasn't anything big. It would never be a huge success, but it was mine.

    1. Re:Its kind of in our nature, no? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I agree but I wouldn't equate programmer to program relationship the same as parent to child.
      If that were the case I would be a lousy parent, favoring a few, and abandoning a slew of them because I got board with them and the concept.

      When we create, we feel useful as a human, and have tangible proof of this usefulness.

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    2. Re:Its kind of in our nature, no? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      so just to be sure, I'd rather hate you.

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  4. music by StripedCow · · Score: 0

    This is the reason why I think musicians should release their music in a multitrack format. Imagine the possibilities for remixing. Such an attitude would fit perfectly in the do-it-yourself youtube culture that we are living in now.

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    1. Re:music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multi-tracked music doesn't fit in with the commercial, popular YouTube-culture you are living a part of now.

    2. Re:music by HornyBastard · · Score: 0

      Musicians love the music that they created the way they created it.
      They want the world to hear what they created. Not a remix put together by some tone-deaf moron.

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    3. Re:music by Eraesr · · Score: 1

      Trent Reznor does not agree.

    4. Re:music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the culture is so "do-it-yourself" why does someone else need to release tracks for others to mix?

    5. Re:music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine, but if the release played the way the musicians wanted for all the 'normal' people but had multitrack on special higher priced equipment, it might be a win-win, and there might be money in the multitrack equipment.

    6. Re:music by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately many musicians these days don't love music at all, they simply love money and music is nothing more than a means to an end.

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    7. Re:music by unapersson · · Score: 1

      It's like the source coming with the software. You can enjoy the original work as it is, but you also have the freedom to adapt it, chop it up and change it into something else.

    8. Re:music by somersault · · Score: 1

      Different people are good at different things, even if they're working in the same industry. In the music industry, a sound engineer might not be able to actually play any instruments, but that doesn't mean he can't be great at recording, mixing down volume levels etc.

      In the software industry, people build on others' work all the time. If the culture were completely do it yourself, everyone would have to write their own operating system and drivers just to run their application on top of.

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    9. Re:music by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Because most "do-it-yourselfers" these days really want someone else to do ALMOST all of the work for them.

      The culture isn't really any more DIY oriented than before. The hardcore DIYers are still out there but today there's a large number of pretenders as well. Kind of like geeks.

    10. Re:music by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      For the same reason someone needs to make instruments for them to play, and microphones for them to sing into, and provide equipment for them to be recorded on. Nobody can do it all.

      Not all musicians are able to do all things all along the track from creation of equipment to releasing the finished song. In fact, nobody can do it all.

      To follow your logic, why do singers sing songs that they did not write themselves?

      Mixing other work into something new is a musical style. Personally, it does nothing for me, but that does not mean I can dismiss it as worthless to anybody.

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    11. Re:music by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Sound engineering is one of those rare processes in which everyone thinks they are good at it, and they are almost universally wrong :P

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    12. Re:music by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      I can program synth patches and pick/adjust samples, I can arrange, I can mix* well enough, and I can do some basic mastering.

      But I don't seem to be very good at the raw "creation" - I can't just sit down and tool out a melody that sounds good.

      * - By mix, I mean riding faders and such, not "mixing" in the manner of splicing tracks together. I've never actually tried that, but I have no interest in doing so and I think I'd not be much good at it anyway.

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    13. Re:music by somersault · · Score: 2

      I don't think that's very rare to be honest..

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    14. Re:music by rgviza · · Score: 1

      they are doing this. there are often remix contests for new singles.

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    15. Re:music by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      Different people are good at different things, even if they're working in the same industry. In the music industry, a sound engineer might not be able to actually play any instruments, but that doesn't mean he can't be great at recording, mixing down volume levels etc.

      True that, I have one song which I like very much, but if I had source, I could probably do MUCH better mixing, even without professional studio.

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    16. Re:music by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Because most "do-it-yourselfers" these days really want someone else to do ALMOST all of the work for them.

      Which is why the IKEA example fits, I think.

    17. Re:music by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Quit watching MTV. Those 'musicians' are a tiny minority, played up by the labels to show a grandiose lifestyle, and hardly reflect the wants of 'many' musicians.

      --Jeremy

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  5. Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    are also more likely to appreciate worthless chipboard so it makes sense that after they put together a worthless disgrace of a table that to gloss over their pathetic nature they react as if they built the empire state building all by their very own selves.

    1. Re:Ikea Customers by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe more people would appreciate furniture built from good materials if those manufacturing furniture didn't think a rectangular TV stand made from wood and with proportions a first-year design student knows by heart was somehow worth $500+ just because it wasn't ugly as hell (I've become increasingly convinced that furniture manufacturers deliberately make their cheaper pieces of furniture ugly in various ways to ensure sales of their more expensive furniture remain high).

      Of course, even IKEA seems to be doing this. Their cheaper furniture often looks like they took a decent design and "tweaked" it to have weird proportions and added some random design elements that would ugly it up a bit...

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    2. Re:Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my God, your thoughts about design consisting of "proportions" and the possibility of "uglying it up a bit" are bewildering. Do you have a design newslettter? I don't wish to subscribe, but you could consider reveiwing McDonald's packaging elements for evidence of uglying up the cheapest offerings.

    3. Re:Ikea Customers by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      Proportions are very important when it comes to design. Ever hear of the golden ratio?

      A great way to make something you've designed look ugly is to tweak the proportions, or if you have something that looks a bit too formal or strict you can "fix" it by breaking symmetry (since humans tend to associate symmetry with order, this is why most "boring" corporate logos are symmetrical while those that try to project a "fun" or "edgy" image of the company go for less symmetry).

      And as I stated, any first-year design student (industrial, web, whatever) would know this very well. That major furniture manufacturers would be oblivious to it is highly unlikely.

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    4. Re:Ikea Customers by necro81 · · Score: 3, Informative

      IKEA furniture uses almost no chipboard. This is one of the reasons why I have some of it: the parts that look like real wood are, well, real wood. It is birch and fir for the most part - not maple, walnut, and mahogany - but real wood nonetheless. Aside from metal components, the only non-wood portions are some panels of thin MDF, for instance forming the back wall of a dresser. People might give IKEA shit for producing what seems to be cheap crap, but it is of much higher quality in materials, durability, and design than the majority of "some assembly required" furniture pushed by big box stores.

    5. Re:Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem with preassembled furniture is that you can't get furniture that has a clean look to it. All the major store chains assume you want your house to look like you live in:
      A. The Caribbean
      B. Versailles
      C. Your parents' house twenty years ago

      The only reason I like Ikea is because of the minimalist design. Of course there isn't one near where I live so I shop at ScanDesign instead, which is the Apple of furniture in terms of minimalism, design, and price :)

    6. Re:Ikea Customers by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 1

      This is exactly it. There are two kind of shelves the design of which does not make me angry: the IKEA Billy, and those minimalist designer shelves, custom-built to order for 20 000 bucks.

      I tend to go for the Billy (it is vastly cheaper), but long for the other type. Everything in between looks like it was designed by someone who has no sense of style, or is stuck in some weird clichéd version of the middle-class 1940s. With little ornaments and wiggle stuck on their products.

    7. Re:Ikea Customers by crashmph · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am gonna wave a really big bull shit flag here. Have you ever taken any of IKEA's furniture/shelves apart to adjust them to fit in a different size location? I recently bought a wooden (so i thought) table from there to use as a work surface. I needed to cut the table down by a foot or so as it was to wide. Once it was cut... the table top was 2 1/2" thick with an 1/8" worth of veneer on the top and bottom with CARDBOARD honeycomb through the center of the entire table. Only the 2-3" of edges had "actual" wood in it. This has not been an isolated incident with my experiences with IKEA furniture. Sure lots of their furniture is real wood, unless you get something that is painted white or other full solid color. Those painted items are completely made of MDF except for the feet, they were actually made of wood. So don't get them wet! Learn from my mistakes. This is just my experience and your mileage may vary...

    8. Re:Ikea Customers by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You might be well served then to learn some basic carpentry. You don't even need to own the tools, you can rent or borrow if need be.

      Can't find some shelves you like matching your wallet? Go buy some materials, get a couple photos and/or measures of what you're after, draft it up, and get cuttin'

      I haven't done anything like this in a long time, but if you're the hands-on type at all it can be fun.

      And even if you hate it and you suck at it, there must be someone in your area who'd do the work for you, and still be a hell of a lot cheaper than you'd get from a vendor.

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    9. Re:Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly haven't built a BILLY bookshelf in a while. I did, a couple of months ago, and apart from the flimsy MDF back panel and the metal and plastic fasteners, the ENTIRE THING is plastic-faced chipboard. And it's one of IKEA's top-selling products, if not THE top-selling product.

      You fail, but thanks for trying.

    10. Re:Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sir are retarded, IKEA is worthless. laminated woods over chipboard.

    11. Re:Ikea Customers by milbournosphere · · Score: 1
      Mod up. Sorry, but there's plenty of Ikea stuff made out of particle board. I present the piece of crap Lack table and my recent purchases of Billy bookcases as evidence:

      Billy Bookcase Product Description:
      Main parts: Particleboard, Birch veneer, Clear acrylic lacquer
      Bottom panel/ Plinth front: Particleboard, Birch veneer, Foil, Clear acrylic lacquer
      Back panel: Particleboard, Foil
      Back: Printed fiberboard

      That's a lot of particleboard. Bottom line: there's lots of good stuff at Ikea, but there's also lots of crap. Not that that's bad. The cheap shit subsidizes the good stuff.

    12. Re:Ikea Customers by pluther · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Real wood? Since when?

      I have plenty of IKEA furniture. It's perfect for my lifestyle - I take 3-6 month contracts and follow them around the country. When I move more than a couple of states away, I have found it's cheaper for me to completely furnish my house from Ikea than it is to rent a truck and move all my stuff. (Not to mention also easier and more fun).

      But, for the most part, it isn't "real wood" - most of the parts are laminate with folded cardboard on the inside.

      I don't buy it for its high quality, though - it's cheap, basically disposable, and not really meant to last. And, at the end of a contract, it's easy to post to Craigslist and can be disassembled to fit into most cars so people can come haul it off for me.

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    13. Re:Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is absolutely ridiculous. most likely, they ARE oblivious, and just price EACH item they develop at the price that maximizes profit.

    14. Re:Ikea Customers by sjames · · Score: 1

      You should see the crappy ragged scrap wood that goes into more pricy upholstered chairs.

    15. Re:Ikea Customers by SkimTony · · Score: 1

      Another poster has suggested learning carpentry, but you (like me) are probably better served by checking out an unfinished-furniture store. Their products are typically priced about the same as the Ikea junk, but made of real wood. As an upside, you pick exactly which colour you want when you stain or paint them. If you can't/don't want to stain or paint them yourself, most of the stores I've seen will do the finishing for a little bit extra, but it's still cheaper than designer shelves or even the common stuff from "real" furniture stores.

    16. Re:Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...in other words, what I'm saying is that if the whole line of furniture costs a flat $50 each to supply (and therefore, since it doesn't cost different amounts have the same supply curve), then demand determines the price. maybe the REASON the cheap stuff is cheap is because people aren't willing to pay as much; so the price that maximizes profit is lower. supply and demand. wins again.

    17. Re:Ikea Customers by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      My experiance with ikea furniture is that they like to use cardboard. Specifically instead of using the normal melamine coated chipboard. they use a construction that has a melamine surface, then a thin hardboard layer. Then a cardboard honeycomb core. It's almost certainly lighter and cheaper than chipboard but it also poses a major headache if you want to modify the furniture in any way.

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    18. Re:Ikea Customers by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      Whatever happened to cinder blocks and wolmanized deck boards? Where is the class?

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    19. Re:Ikea Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ikea may be better than other "Some assembly required" stuff, but almost all "Some assembly required" stuff is crap. That's like winning the special Olympics.

      Also, there's a ton of particle board in ikea stuff. It's really not all that durable. The one thing from ikea I like is my desk. But it's just a plain table. It's clearly particle board with a laminant on it though.

  6. True by dvh.tosomja · · Score: 1

    I recently created this piece of css myself:

    section#a2footer.grid_24 {
        display: none;
    }

    And I love it! Bye bye slashdot tweet/fb/+1 buttons

    1. Re:True by djsmiley · · Score: 1

      I created this: its my ~/.bashrc

      alias firefox="/usr/bin/links2"

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      And I love it! Bye bye any kind of graphical respresentation of non-charaset entities applied via a digital media interface.

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    2. Re:True by jbov · · Score: 0

      Exactly the same reason why I use Mutt for e-mail. Bye bye font families, colors, variants, and sizes. Bye bye embedded images, iframes, etc..

      Now, if I can only get people to copy and paste text from application error messages. My customers prefer to take a screen shot, paste it into a Word document, save it, then attach the word doc within an e-mail. Then I have to save the attachment and open with libreoffice, just so I can finally read a one line error message like, "rsync connection reset by peer".

    3. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      just have a script that converts the screenshot to ascii art

    4. Re:True by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Linux, but on Windows it is usually impossible to select and copy the text inside an error message. And I guess your users are too lazy to type it to the email.

    5. Re:True by Shoe+Puppet · · Score: 1

      Try pressing CTRL-C. Sometimes it works.

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    6. Re:True by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I have been using Windows for a long time, but did not know that. The text cannot be selected, so I though that it could not be copied also.

    7. Re:True by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      You would have to ensure the script maintains the "golden ratio" for the displayed art or you lose the visual impact of rightness provided by the screenshot. The script would need a lookup table for variable fonts to ensure proper ratios to keep that golden ratio. Oh, now this is no longer a script but now a small app with a database; sounds like an open source project. Need to setup some space on github to keep track of the project.....what were we doing in the first place?

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  7. Around since the dawn of time - NOT IKEA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A person who has fashioned an item from the start will implicity trust it in operation until proved otherwise, because they saw it's construction. This is true of any tool in any era. That trust is extended to "experts" generally because those are individuals whom other people you trust (that have tools provided by said expert) have recommended for that same "the tool works for me" reason.

    Quite why we need to ascribe a brand name to this offends my sensibilities. Not everything requires a brand.

    1. Re:Around since the dawn of time - NOT IKEA! by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Open Source is "bespoke", while IKEA is not.

    2. Re:Around since the dawn of time - NOT IKEA! by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      It's also a cognitive distortion -- the more time a person has invested in something, the less likely he/she is to see flaws in it. It's an evolutionary "stay-the-course" mechanism that operates until sufficiently disruptive information is presented.

      This is probably the same mechanism on overdrive that we often see in partisan politics.

    3. Re:Around since the dawn of time - NOT IKEA! by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      It's not even necessarily something they built. A lot of ignorant programmers fixate on one thing and use it to the exclusion of everything else. Like hash tables. Ever see a programmer put all his variables in a hash table and then pass that table around to every function in his program? Because I have... They trust the hash table. They don't trust (or know about) arrays or lists or... PARAMETERS... but by god they know their hash table! That programmer didn't build the hash table himself. He probably wouldn't be capable of it. But he'll use the hell out of it.

      I wonder how many of our ancestors used the wheel for everything, even though the lever may have been a better tool for the job...

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    4. Re:Around since the dawn of time - NOT IKEA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because two words describe the idea as well as your entire post.

  8. So let me get this straight... by turing_m · · Score: 1

    ...the most outspoken OSS proponents are in fact the developers of OSS, to the extent that other users are just background noise? If regular users are so silent, then this must mean that the exponential spread of OSS must be due in fact to the developers. Ergo, developers are in fact brilliant marketers. A prime example of this would be the GNU Image Manipulation Program, which succeeds because of its sexy acronym.

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    1. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel like i made linux from scratch every time i have a working installation that is 100% working with harddisks, dvd, colors, high res, 3d, sounds, and working keyboard + mouse!

    2. Re:So let me get this straight... by jpapon · · Score: 1

      Even more so if it was a laptop!

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    3. Re:So let me get this straight... by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      I feel like i made linux from scratch every time i have a working installation that is 100% working with harddisks, dvd, colors, high res, 3d, sounds, and working keyboard + mouse!

      I'm afraid that's what you get when you install Linux from here. Try getting it from here or here instead!

    4. Re:So let me get this straight... by Inconexo · · Score: 1

      Well, IKEA customers aren't carpenters either. They don't make the library. They assemble it following the precise steps they are told to.

      Installing a Debian distro and selecting which packages you want to install is even more close to "build yourself".

    5. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i usually just insert the cd/usb and press yes a few times and usually everything will work (this depends on the distro), unlike windows where i have to spend hours chasing drivers for various crap and maybe not find any if i god forbid where to upgrade windows without buying a new pc

      bsd is a bit more tricky to get working as a desktop machine

      only os that actually works 100% after installation is os x (on mac hardware ;) ) but its no fun so i avoid using it

    6. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel like i made linux from scratch every time i have a working installation that is 100% working with harddisks, dvd, colors, high res, 3d, sounds, and working keyboard + mouse!

      Ewe must make Canonical feel very proud - the way you hit that Enter key is just magic.

    7. Re:So let me get this straight... by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      Even more so if it was a laptop!

      You must be installing it on some pretty weird laptops then!

    8. Re:So let me get this straight... by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      unlike windows where i have to spend hours chasing drivers

      You must remember windows 95 and windows ME and take it as a reference...

      I have had the EXACT same sentiments about Linux with this process:

      • List all your hardware
      • Partition your drives
      • Start installation, guess on some hardware settings (guess wrong, you don't know where to change it later and spend hours online and in manuals)
      • Be happy, you have an XFree desktop.
      • Tweak the config file to recognize your 3D card so you can have a higher resolution
      • XFree doesn't boot up anymore

      Ubuntu etc has been a step up

      • Insert CD
      • Install
      • See desktop, be happy. Have high resolutions
      • Install program...
      • sudo... compile failed, library not found
      • Hunt down references and libraries
      • Obscure fora, no support
      • Have library, library version not supported
      • Try to watch video..
      • 2 hours trying to get codecs installed.
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    9. Re:So let me get this straight... by jpapon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, getting the NVIDIA card, CUDA, the trackpad, the usb ports, sound, wireless, ethernet, the screen, and the onboard graphics working on my new Dell XPS 15Z was a fricking nightmare. Each one of those required a custom solution.

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    10. Re:So let me get this straight... by MurukeshM · · Score: 1

      So simply doing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras or sudo apt-get install smplayer didn't work? I think you might have had the 'missing dependencies of vlc' problem. But even a cursory search for media players on Linux would show mplayer as one of the best around, at par with vlc, and it has plenty of frontends. In my case the steps would be: Plug in USB Install Install wifi drivers Install vlc/smplayer + flash done. (I use ATI Radeon, so I skip those drivers.)

    11. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even Windows 95 and Windows ME were complete once the drivers were located. Had to reboot the system, but no kernel recompilation nonsense.

      Linux (and also FreeBSD) still isn't complete. Even with drivers available, often have to edit config files. Oops this software won't run because the default install didn't install a dependency, so now go back to the installer and add the dependency and then try again. Broken or non-existent symbolic links, so now have to waste time adding symbolic links. Linux apps don't have the same polished UI as on the Windows side. Now go to a forum for help, arrogant a$$holes simply respond RTFM or fix it yourself. Sorry, I just want to use an OS and applications, I don't want to have to be a software developer to fix incomplete features and bugs.

      Sorry, free still isn't worth it to me. I'll stick with Windows thank you very much. If I want to use a Unix-like OS that is actually professionally developed, I'll buy a Mac and use MacOS X whatever the latest version is at the time I buy a Mac.

    12. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GIMP "succeeds" only because of the userbase that doesn't want to pay for Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. The actual userbase, however, is more or less an insignificant small niche.

    13. Re:So let me get this straight... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Your post sums up my problem with this article. I am not a developer, but I am a proponent of Open Source Software. I am not religiously a proponent of OSS, I use proprietary software for many things.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    14. Re:So let me get this straight... by Larryish · · Score: 1

      And don't forget "Gigolo".

    15. Re:So let me get this straight... by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      Which distribution?

    16. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gentoo. It was gentoo.

  9. what's your question again? by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this the reason that open source software developers are so 'enthusiastic' about their products while the general market resists them – because those proponents had a hand in developing them?

    And note the general market is coming around, yo.

  10. Over simplified? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For me at least the economic element of building something myself is the driver in the first place. I put in place my kitchen because I was capable and I'd rather have spent the money a fitter would have cost on something else. If I'd been offered the same kitchen same price, fully professionally fitted I'd have taken it.

    I could build certain electronic items, however the cost of the components vs the premade version makes it uneconomic. Even at the higher level of this, I used to be able to put together a PC from parts, these days I wouldn't bother.

    I'm not sure the open source stuff works, the vast majority of open source users don't have an involvement in writing the software, and the software is largely written by experts anyway. Perhaps there is something in the idea of user customisation, tweaking it to make it just so, but I suspect a large amount of users go for an out of the box configuration of and just add additional software they are interested in. That's no real different to a windows user.

  11. No. by kayumi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The main reasons for me and people I know are
    1) cost effectiveness
    2) the option to modify software as needed
    3) no fear of lock-in
    Also many 'enthusiastic' open source software proponents have never even looked at the code. In academic environments people write/use open source programs without giving much thought to who wrote something. The main points are usability and time requirements. If something is usable and can be used quickly then we use it no matter who wrote it.

    1. Re:No. by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      4) No fear of the software being bought and gimped by a big corporation. Imagine if Hollywood could buy all Bittorrent software for example.

    2. Re:No. by arbulus · · Score: 1

      My reasons for using OSS are mostly along these lines. It's great to be able to modify the software if I wanted to, but as only a mediocre coder, I rarely would, but it's nice to know that I can if I wanted. However, the lock-in and control factor is my main reason. I like to know that the software I use is mine and that I'm the one in control of my digital life. I can use whatever software I need and not worry about licensing issues, or being locked to a platform or piece of software. I can roll my own solutions for whatever problem I need to solve. And since the code and development cycle are open, there's no mystery as to what is going on with the software.

      So I guess, in a way, my thoughts do sort of mirror the "value the things I create myself" theory of TFA.

    3. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of user adoption of open source also comes from developer interaction with the user base. If a developer does a lot of participation on the discussion lists with users, many users tend to be more confident that their needs are being addressed. Particularly when problems are fixed or new features are implemented in a timely manner. Thus the users will feel more confident in a project and even go promoting it themselves.

      Now if developers go on a communications hiatus, or never go about fixing things that have been complained about for months on end... Usually that's when you see people abandoning a project. Either users will leave for a fork of the project, or end up finding software that fits their needs better.

      Users may not even program software or understand its code, but to dismiss them as part of development cycle neglects the role of the feedback process. When the feedback process isn't broken, the user-base is just as important in the development process as the programmers are. Those of us in "user-land" may not take pride in actually making the software, but we do take pride in the fact that we have programmers that listen and that we can take steps to make the software we use better. (We may not fix bugs, but we can still hunt for them.)

      Also keep in mind that in open source, users are much more likely to have direct communication with lead programmers on a project. Commercial software typically has tons of roadblocks between a complaint or compliment and it getting to the people who need to know. So yes, users can get more attached to the open source software than commercial equivalents because they have opportunity to know the people making the software.

  12. Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I usually like Open Source software but the reason has very little to do with the source being available.
    What I really like is projects that are made on hobby basis without an economic driving force behind them.
    This is because those things are usually made to solve a problem and do it well.
    Once a project goes commercial marketing enters the picture and suddenly the application gets a splash-screen for no apparant reason. Then the buttons grow and become bulky. The interfac will be reworked to be "userfriendly" which is marketing speak for "easy to demonstrate a simple function but if you actually are going to use it you will no longer be able to find the functions you are looking for" or possibly "friendly for beginner but not for users"

    I am probably not representative for open source proponents since I don't mind closed source on an ideological basis.

    1. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone likes/dislikes OSS for their own reasons.

      I like it because it tends to be more secure, AND I can use it legally on all my computers, AND give it away to all my friends. I'm not a programmer, so I don't modify it, or contribute to the source. But I do encourage the use of OSS. I also like that it tends to contribute to the state of the art, generally advancing the ability of computers to help the world. I consider that to be a good citizen. (and in my case, doing good for my fellow man, which my God encourages. "What you do for the least of your fellow man, you do for me...")

    2. Re:Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a splash-screen for no apparant reason. Then the buttons grow and become bulky. The interfac[e] will be reworked to be "userfriendly" which is marketing speak for "easy to demonstrate a simple function but if you actually are going to use it you will no longer be able to find the functions you are looking for" or possibly "friendly for beginner but not for users"

      Sounds like KDE.

  13. Yes and not quite... by djsmiley · · Score: 1

    If you build an open source project, you make sure it works for you....

    Its all about egos, I've discussed this many times with devs who can't "see" what I'm trying to point out - but who'd build something which they couldn't use / understand / like?

    They think its brilliant because it does exactly what THEY expect - however their expections are wildly different to what the outside world expects.

    For example I was discussing how to eject a CD on OSX the other day with someone - he couldn't understand the problem with the idea that dragging the CD to the recycle bin isn't something I (A realitively pro computer user) would concider for trying to eject the disk. For him it seemed so simple, so "normal". In open source you find the same, developers make decisions which work for them, but when a user can't understand why, because they haven't gone through the whole process the developer went with the attitude is "well it doesn't work for me".

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    1. Re:Yes and not quite... by jpapon · · Score: 1

      dragging the CD to the recycle bin isn't something I (A realitively pro computer user) would concider for trying to eject the disk

      I've had a Macbook for like 3 years now, and even though it is the best laptop I've ever owned, this still still bothers me.

      How is it "natural" to drag storage you don't want to delete to the "trash"?? It actually took me a while (ie until I googled it) to figure out that's how you were supposed to eject things... fortunately there's also an eject button on the keyboard.

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    2. Re:Yes and not quite... by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      Its all about egos [......]

      Sort of, maybe. But i don't think it's really ego in the most commonly understood sense of the word.

      [......] I've discussed this many times with devs who can't "see" what I'm trying to point out - but who'd build something which they couldn't use / understand / like?

      That goes for everything in life. Everybody only ever does anything for themselves. For example, if you help someone, you do it because it helps build the sort of society you want to live in and because it makes you feel good about yourself. On a fundamental level, nobody ever does anything for any reason other than that it benefits themself in some way.

      For example I was discussing how to eject a CD on OSX the other day with someone - he couldn't understand the problem with the idea that dragging the CD to the recycle bin isn't something I (A realitively pro computer user) would concider for trying to eject the disk. For him it seemed so simple, so "normal".

      It is normal if you're a Mac user. It's been part of MacOS forever. But, i agree, it's totally fucking stupid!

    3. Re:Yes and not quite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got a 3 year old iMac, and I've always ejected CDs by right-clicking and choosing "eject" when not using the keyboard button.

      Never have I needed to drag the CD icon to the trash.

    4. Re:Yes and not quite... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      I've had a Macbook for like 3 years now, and even though it is the best laptop I've ever owned, this still still bothers me.

      What version of MacOS X are you running? When I start dragging a volume, the "Trash" icon changes to an "Eject" icon.

    5. Re:Yes and not quite... by node+3 · · Score: 0

      That goes for everything in life. Everybody only ever does anything for themselves. For example, if you help someone, you do it because it helps build the sort of society you want to live in and because it makes you feel good about yourself. On a fundamental level, nobody ever does anything for any reason other than that it benefits themself in some way.

      That is absolutely false. I (and I'm pretty sure, just about everyone who ever existed) have helped people for no reason other than that they needed help. There was no overarching intention to create a better society or anything like that.

    6. Re:Yes and not quite... by BigDogCH · · Score: 1

      Did it make you feel good to help the person? Would you have done it if it had made you feel guilty? An interesting conversation point. Does altruism actually exist?

    7. Re:Yes and not quite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an eject button on the keyboard.

    8. Re:Yes and not quite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the 'drag to the trash' short-cut bothers you so much then right click on the icon on the desktop and select the action that is named "Eject".

      Or in a Finder window click on the eject icon beside the name of the device you want to eject in the sidebar.

      If you have a finder window open for that device just right click somewhere in the main part of the window and select the menu item that is named "Eject".

      Not exactly sure why people have this need to find the most obscure method to do a task, ignoring the common methods - then complain about it :-)

      Cheers, Liam

    9. Re:Yes and not quite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he couldn't understand the problem with the idea that dragging the CD to the recycle bin isn't something I (A realitively pro computer user) would concider for trying to eject the disk.

      That's why I read /. Up to now I had to reboot into Linux to eject the CD. Thanks!

    10. Re:Yes and not quite... by Andreas+Mayer · · Score: 1

      How is it "natural" to drag storage you don't want to delete to the "trash"?

      It's not. It is just a way to initiate that action using drag and drop.
      And while it might not be intuitive, it's easy to remember. Since nobody seemed to be able to come up with a better idea, that's how it works up until today. (Though current versions of the OS at least change the trash can into an eject icon so that the user knows that nothing is really 'trashed'.)

      If you don't know about it, you can find the 'Eject' command in the Finder's File menu. Note that there's also a keyboard shortcut associated with it. And of course there's the contextual menu and the eject key.

      Oh, and you can put an eject menu into the right hand side of the menu bar. It's in /System/Library/CoreServices/Menu Extras/Eject.menu. Don't know if there's a UI element somewhere to enable it. But you can get it into the menu bar by simply double clicking it from the finder.

    11. Re:Yes and not quite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it didn't exist, we wouldn't have a word for it.

  14. A combination of several human psychies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curiosity, egotism/arrogance, self righteousness, self-importance, some form of altruism, hope, boredom come quickly to my mind.

  15. The real IKEA effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Training customers to accept cheap shoddy goods

    1. Re:The real IKEA effect by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      In the computing world I'd call that the Microsoft effect.

    2. Re:The real IKEA effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the computing world I'd call that the Microsoft effect.

      Apart from the cheap part.

    3. Re:The real IKEA effect by olau · · Score: 1

      Why are they shoddy?

      Most IKEA buyers I've heard from seem to think it's quite durable (lasting 10 - 20 - 30 years). As I understand it, this is part of their success, selling okay stuff cheaply.

      Maybe it's the other way around, you been trained by expensive furniture shops (that pay the same for their goods as IKEA but take a profit of 500-1000%) to think that cheap = shoddy?

      I'm not an IKEA apologetic, don't like the style nor own any IKEA stuff, I just think this was a cheap shoddy shot. :)

    4. Re:The real IKEA effect by dasunt · · Score: 2

      Training customers to accept cheap shoddy goods

      I'm not sure what you're buying at Ikea, but the stuff I buy seems to hold up pretty well. Yes, the cost is low, but quality wise, I'm pretty happy. I usually assemble any furniture with a dab of glue on the screws though.

      It's Walmart that I stopped buying most Ikea-ish items from, after I needed a bunch of cheap bookshelves and went to Walmart. The shelves slowly deform under the weight of the books.

  16. The same item ... by gutnor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you can't tell the difference between something built by somebody that has more skill than you do, so there is no reason not to be proud of yourself. For entry to moderate level DIY or craft, the main difference between an amateur and a professional is the productivity: i.e. how much time it takes the professional and his consistency in result.

    For high level stuff, that is another matter. I can only talk personally, but since I have started metal smithing as a hobby, I value a lot less the average piece you can buy all assembled (not even talking about the mass produced shit). However, I began to be amazed by what master craftman can do. ( and as collateral damage, I have paid price for piece that I would not have considered reasonable before )

    1. Re:The same item ... by Riggity · · Score: 1

      Completely Off topic (mod me down), but I've been looking into getting into metal smithing and forging, and would love to pick your brain about it. There is a forge near me, outside of Boston that offers a bunch of intro classes. Replying because I can't find a way to PM you.

    2. Re:The same item ... by gutnor · · Score: 1

      Ouch, I said metal smithing, but actually that is silversmithing ( privacy by obscurity fail ) - not exactly the same skill set, but more practical in a flat ...

      Other than that, the best start is to take introduction classes. Here in the UK, a cheap and good way to start is starting a guild type degree (an evening or afternoon class for several weeks) That will give you tons of contact about where to buy the tool and raw material in your area. You will also be introduced to the industry behind it and with that chose what you want to do. If it is anything like silversmithing, you can either do everything by hand from raw silver bar or use to various degree existing part (findings), use traditional tool or modern ones, ... Since it is the US, you should not have any problem to find resources.

      Be ready to be humbled by how little you knew about a whole industry and branch of science and reflect upon that when you blame people for not understanding IT.

    3. Re:The same item ... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      I suggest just jump right in. Take what ever little you know and apply it as much as possible. I did and created this for fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZuyYBgI2Qg
      search my nick on photobucket and you can find some more on the build process.

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    4. Re:The same item ... by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      For entry to moderate level DIY or craft, the main difference between an amateur and a professional is the productivity: i.e. how much time it takes the professional and his consistency in result.

      Most people would say that is a measure of quality.

    5. Re:The same item ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means the amateur will have to redo or start over a few times until he achieves the same quality result where the professional consistently gets it right the first time.

  17. The general market? by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 2

    Of course we love what we make even if it sucks, but interesting choice of words. "Market" refers to people buying stuff, but OSS isn't necessarily for sale. Nor do people advertise or "sell" as do those who cater towards "markets". Red Hat sells service, not OSS.

    So, "resist" is not the reason why OSS isn't selling. The problem is more about the lack of sales and marketing. People need to be told what to buy as with Apple with great ads, or get cornered into it as with Windows pre-installed in everything.

    The ecosystem of OSS is what is resisting OSS becoming a market.

    1. Re:The general market? by node+3 · · Score: 0

      So, "resist" is not the reason why OSS isn't selling. The problem is more about the lack of sales and marketing.

      The lack of success of Open Source software has nothing to do with marketing. It has to do with the software not meeting people's needs and preferences.

      OSS does often meet the needs and preferences of nerds, which is why it's so popular with the Slashdot crowd, but most people have different preferences. For the market that OSS is a good match for, it does rather well. But that market is not the general consumer market, and that has nothing to do with lack of getting the "message" out there, or branding, or anything like that whatsoever. It's entirely down to the fact that the general consumer market has different preferences.

    2. Re:The general market? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Of course we love what we make even if it sucks, but interesting choice of words. "Market" refers to people buying stuff, but OSS isn't necessarily for sale. Nor do people advertise or "sell" as do those who cater towards "markets".

      Because if we call it evangelize then it's not market, or do you claim there are no evangelists?

      Red Hat sells service, not OSS.

      "We give you a crap product, but the service is cheap"? I'm pretty sure they market their product quite well too.

      The problem OSS has is not a lack of marketing, it's that there's one bunch of people doing the evangelizing and there's one group who is all "not my problem, fix it yourself, you got what you paid for" etc. It's like you got convinced into buying a Mac and Apple's development/support team told you to get lost, in a company everyone is a little bit interested in selling and serving the customers. Or at least give lip service to it. In the OSS world you are very likely to run into someone that makes you go "Well, excuuuuuuuuuuse me why did you put the product in my distro, why did people suggest I use this if clearly they don't want users?" Of course you haven't lost any physical cash, but you feel you've been tricked into wasting a ton of time trying to make something work that in the end never will.

      And unlike OSS tinkerers most people don't think this is fun or interesting. It's annoying, frustrating and something you just want fixed with as little hassle as possible. And a seemingly lack of understanding of "Yes, I heard what for some reason it's not your fault but it works in Windows/OS X and I need a system that works." To everyone else it sounds like deceptive marketing when you say it's ready for mainstream desktop use and people discover that what they do and consider mainstream doesn't work. Or when someone offers you a replacement application that's not nearly as good but insists that it has everything you need, even when he means it has everything he needs. There's quite a few that like to tell me what I want, and if I don't like that I can go back to playing with my Wintendo box (actual response recieved).

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    3. Re:The general market? by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 1

      OSS is a big success, and it produces great product. But the resistance is not in it's failures, but rather, in everything it lacks.

      Since when was Stallman selling anything? Evangelists have little to do with marketing. Stallman is selling an idea if anything, and that idea sold, ergo the huge success of OSS. That success is not in the market, but in mind share and in utility. That was the goal I presume. And it has been a huge success.

      OSS software does not suck. Or else Red Hat wouldn't have a business. But they sell service, and they cater to a market. They understand that market, and know how to sell to it, and they have the people hired full time who go out selling to that market. They have customer support (they sell it actually), and they know their customer.

  18. Karl Marx anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    So I suppose the twit who dubbed this "the Ikea effect" never heard of this neckbeard from the 19th century and his theory of alienation?

    1. Re:Karl Marx anyone? by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      Probably not. I don't know about you, but I was brought up with the impression that Marx's books were unmitigated evil. Shortly after finishing college, I decided to investigate the taboo and found the writing difficult, as I had not been exposed to any philosophy before. Surely these factors repel those with a shallow curiosity who might have otherwise given it a try.

      There's a free online undergrad class available online that can get you well acquainted so you don't stay lost in the wilderness too long. http://davidharvey.org/reading-capital/

      Let us suppose that we had carried out production as human beings. Each of us would have in two ways affirmed himself and the other person. 1) In my production I would have objectified my individuality, its specific character, and therefore enjoyed not only an individual manifestation of my life during the activity, but also when looking at the object I would have the individual pleasure of knowing my personality to be objective, visible to the senses and hence a power beyond all doubt. 2) In your enjoyment or use of my product I would have the direct enjoyment both of being conscious of having satisfied a human need by my work, that is, of having objectified man’s essential nature, and of having thus created an object corresponding to the need of another man's essential nature. ... Our products would be so many mirrors in which we saw reflected our essential nature.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation

  19. Didn't they call that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why We Love Things We Build Ourselves

    Didn't they call that the Oppenheimer syndrome?

  20. nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't place much value on my IKEA type furniture that I assembled myself. Also, I don't think I could call that "creating" something. However, I do highly value all the open source software I use, which to be honest, I didn't lift a finger to help create, maintain, or improve.

  21. Yes and no by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course I'm enthusiastic about using software I've contributed to, but remember that the reason I spend time contributing to them is because I was using them in the first place. There's other free software I have nothing to do with, which I'm still very fond of, mostly because they're constantly improving for free (with a few arguable exceptions in Ubuntu's case).

  22. Compare pre-built alterable to non-alterable? by jbov · · Score: 0

    They touched a bit on whether or not the creations could be customized. The article stated that the build value was higher regardless of whether or not customization was possible. This is why they used Ikea products, non-alterable, and lego structures, alterable.

    For an comparison to open source software projects, it would be interesting to see the perceived values of the two pre-built items, one which as configurable, and one which is not. For example, a pre-built piece of furniture made from pieces which could be reconfigured to produce a modified structure, versus a pre-built structure with pieces that were permanently joined together.

    This is something that is considered by people choosing to rent or buy something. Like an apartment in which you are not allowed to paint the walls. Even if an end user of a software product does not contribute to the build, there is value in knowing the end user may hire someone to make alterations on his or her behalf.

    That being said, this study is spot on. Putting your own blood, sweat, and tears into any project increases its value, at least to you.

  23. Two important caveats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) Most OSS enthusiasts cannot code. It's unfortunate, but true.
    2) The study cited is not publicly available. Psychology studies are often very flawed in various ways and until it becomes freely available and we can be sure that many more eyes, also (or should I say especially) outside the field, have had a look at it.
    There is also something asinine about citing a closed paper in an OSS-related article.

  24. Easier to move by Hentes · · Score: 2

    I hate assembling IKEA stuff but it's is still much easier than trying to move a prebuilt furniture to the room. First you have to pay extra for delivery as it doesn't fit into a car. Then you need to rearrange your home to make way for it. After that you need two people, who, in perfect unison, try to move it through the house without hitting any lamps or mirrors, painfully forcing it through every door. And if one of your doors is too small, when then you are out of luck.

    1. Re:Easier to move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and moving cross country is even easier. You just give everything away on Freecycle or Kijiji and get new furniture at your destination, since that is cheaper than the transport cost.

    2. Re:Easier to move by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      and if you are really unlucky, the soda gets stuck on a curved flight of stairs in a seemingly impossible way with no apparent way of getting it out.

    3. Re:Easier to move by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      gah, make that sofa... early morning + no coffee (or soda for that matter).

    4. Re:Easier to move by Larryish · · Score: 1

      No, you're not out of luck mate; you simply get a builder in to stretch the door to the proper size.

      Easy peasy, lemon sqeezy.

  25. Independence by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2

    As far as I can tell, we're hard-wired to derive pleasure from independence and self-reliance, probably because it's an advantageous trait in evolutionary terms.

    Many years ago, I was into vintage Volkswagens for a while. As anyone who has owned one of these beasts can tell you, they're extremely unreliable and require more or less constant maintenance to keep running, and unless you're prepared to do it yourself, you'd better have a lot of money to hand to the dwindling number of mechanics who know how to work on the damn things. I had never worked on cars before or been particular interested in doing so, but I adapted to necessity, and after a while, I got good enough at it to keep my ancient VW running most of the time.

    On one hand, it was annoying to have the thing break down by the side of the road, but on the other, there was a really quite profound sense of satisfaction in being able to open the engine compartment, figure out what was wrong, fix it, and pull back into traffic. In practical terms, this was pointless, of course -- my time and money would have been better spent on buying something more reliable, which I eventually did -- but the emotional payoff surprised me with its intensity. I've heard similar sentiments come from hobbyists of all kinds, farmers, craftsmen, etc.

    All that said, I'm not sure it's the main factor in OSS evangelism. The type of person who programs for fun is generally attracted to exploring complexity and mastering it, and the parallel seems to be more like what puzzle fans of all kinds get out of their hobby. When someone tries to convince someone else to use a complex (if powerful) tool over the droolproof commercial product they're currently satisfied with, it has a lot more in common with trying to turn them on to a favorite hobby than with an expression of self-reliance.

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    1. Re:Independence by Taibhsear · · Score: 2

      As far as I can tell, we're hard-wired to derive pleasure from independence and self-reliance, probably because it's an advantageous trait in evolutionary terms.

      Although this is exactly how I feel about myself, I've mostly found the complete opposite of most people. It probably depends on the person and the situation though. My parents are super DIY'ers for home repairs/improvements but when it comes to technology they just flat out refuse to learn how to do things themselves. They'd rather rely on me to "just fix it."

    2. Re:Independence by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      But do you feel that way about EVERY topic?

      What if the toilet breaks? What if a pipe breaks and starts spewing water all over?

      What if the catalytic converter in your car goes bad?

      If your roof needs fixing, you don't put on a new roof yourself, do you?

      I think *everybody* is like your parents -- they like (derive pleasure from independence and self-reliance ) fixing some things, but not others. Even if you had infinite time on your hands, there are probably subjects you don't really want to learn enough about to fix yourself.

    3. Re:Independence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I do. Done all of the above except the cat, rebuilt a chainsaw instead though. I pay a mechanic when the job needs an unreasonable cost of tools.

  26. Same with smells as well by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

    Every man loves the whiff of his own farts.

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  27. OSS != DIY for most people by melonman · · Score: 1

    The overwhelming proportion of OSS users, and even OSS enthusiasts, never contribute to OSS, so the whole premise of the claim seems flawed to me.

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    1. Re:OSS != DIY for most people by HopefulIntern · · Score: 1

      Exactly, a more apt analogy is something like a Caterham car.

      Supplied in parts, so you can build it yourself, or you can buy it from a company that assembles them for you.

  28. Wish I had mod points by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    Quite right. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard a damn good song reduced to crap by some muppet "DJ" who should have stuck to spinning the disks rather than trying to make them.

  29. I made this! by 6Yankee · · Score: 2

    I hand-crafted this comment all by myself and it's worth more than any other on the page. Of course, all the other commenters will disagree...

    1. Re:I made this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to purchase your comment. Unlike the people in the made-up article, I prefer my stuff to be made by others with better tools and training than myself.

    2. Re:I made this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit, how do we vote "-1: insightful"?

  30. A better way to look at it by techsoldaten · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with the IKEA affect, at some level, but believe people are wrong about what it means. Just because someone has worked on an open source project does not mean they have rose colored glasses and expect it will solve every problem more efficiently than another alternative. In my view, it means that they have a more sophisticated view of what the project actually can do, in part because it is open, and are ready to share that information.

    I own an open source company that deals with Drupal and CiviCRM. It is not uncommon to be in a conversation where someone is telling me of course I think Drupal is the greatest thing out there, and assumes I am not well versed in anything else. I can go on about the virtues of Drupal all day long, but that is besides the point. I have an in-depth understanding of Drupal, Wordpress, Joomla (and it's predecessor Mambo), Plone, Xoops, and a number of other open source tools.

    I have contributed to each of these platforms at one time or another and understand the way they work in great detail. Compared to Sharepoint, where I don't understand the internals, I am not going to have a lot to say. If you come to me asking what you should be using, I am going to talk about Drupal, but am also going to ask what you currently use.

    There are parallels with the automotive industry that can help explain what is going on there.

    My mechanic actually makes cars. He purchases transmissions, chassis, all the component parts you need to assemble them. He has a large lot, looks almost like a junkyard on the outside, and he keeps a fleet of jumkers around to restore them and sell them off. On the inside, his shop is a paradise of tools, diagnostic machines and the like.

    His obsession with cars extends to his personal life. His house is filled with cardboard boxes that contain custom parts he picked up because he knows what he can do with them. He can explain them in terms of torque, output and a lot of other factors that go beyond my ability to appreciate a car and what it does.

    My neighbor is also someone I would call a car guy and drives a german supercar. It was top of the line when he bought it. I mention the car to the mechanic, and he can tell me about every part in it and why it is good or bad. He has strong opinions about the car and why it is poorly designed, with several prognostications about parts that will die prematurely due to flaws.

    When I speak to my neighbor about it, all he knows is he has an expensive car. that impresses people. He can talk about all the luxury lines and his knowledge of the component parts extends to the makeup of the interior, the warmth of the seats, the placement of cup holders, and the like. What he really cares about is not under the hood, it's how the car looks to other people.

    If you put the question to both of these kind of people about what kind of car to drive, you are going to get very different answers because one understands how cars are built, the other understands what the car means to other people who see it. There is a qualitiative difference there people don't always appreciate between different types of afficinados.

    That said, there are ideological zealots out there who will always tell you to use a platform for it's own sake. I don't always get the sense these people always know what they are talking about, and generally get the feeling they cling to one platform due to their ignorance of the benefits of others. They have a tendency to become very defensive when confronted and make very bold assertions in the absence of facts.

    This later class of people generally don't have much to do with how the platform is built. They tend to be the ones who are proponents of the platform and have strong opinions based on their participation in the community. While they can be fun to spend time with, there are situations where you get sick of being around them. To be candid, there are a lot of people in open source communities who are like this, and I think that's where the confusion comes from.

    But don't mistake them for the people who actually love open source and understand it's benefits and drawbacks in comparion to other platforms.

    1. Re:A better way to look at it by w_dragon · · Score: 1

      Wish I had a mod point for you, this is the bast comment here so far :)

    2. Re:A better way to look at it by Hatta · · Score: 2

      If you put the question to both of these kind of people about what kind of car to drive, you are going to get very different answers because one understands how cars are built, the other understands what the car means to other people who see it. There is a qualitiative difference there people don't always appreciate between different types of afficinados.

      You get two different answers because one is well-informed and correct, the other is ignorant and wrong. One cares about things that matter, the other cares about things that don't.

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    3. Re:A better way to look at it by MrMickS · · Score: 2

      If you put the question to both of these kind of people about what kind of car to drive, you are going to get very different answers because one understands how cars are built, the other understands what the car means to other people who see it. There is a qualitiative difference there people don't always appreciate between different types of afficinados.

      You get two different answers because one is well-informed and correct, the other is ignorant and wrong. One cares about things that matter, the other cares about things that don't.

      No. You get two different answered because their selection criteria are different.

      My mother loves her iPad 2. It does everything that she wants from a computer. It's no good for me because I want to do things that it can't do. Does this make one of us right and the other wrong? Its not a zero-sum game. We can both be right.

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    4. Re:A better way to look at it by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The fact that someone likes a low quality device doesn't change the fact that it's low quality.

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    5. Re:A better way to look at it by gknoy · · Score: 1

      And yet, sometimes paper plates are the best answer, rather than the expensive china, even though they are "lower quality" by nearly every measure. Recognize the proper tool for the situation and use it.

    6. Re:A better way to look at it by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      One cares about things that matter, the other cares about things that don't.

      Just because someone has a different set of values than you do does not make them, "wrong."

      Try being a bit mroe open-minded, you might just learn how to talk to girls at parties.

    7. Re:A better way to look at it by Hatta · · Score: 1

      True, but if you're paying more for your paper plates than I am for my stoneware plates, and trying to use the fact that you're overpaying for crap as a status symbol, then it's unequivocally clear that you're an ignorant fool.

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    8. Re:A better way to look at it by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Been hitting the haterade today?

    9. Re:A better way to look at it by techsoldaten · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot, that's not going to happen

    10. Re:A better way to look at it by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Doesn't have to be that way. I've built myself a bicycle a few days ago. The frame was old and of shitty quality, many parts are new, some parts are even older than the frame, but were top quality 20 years ago. Oh, it cost me way more than a new and better bicycle would cost (I've invested about EUR 600 in that pile of shit), and the front derailer still doesn't work very well under load, but it was fun building it and it is something I've built with my own hands, so I value it.

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  31. Man is not a woman by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Women make children and give them birth.
    Men cannot, but they find various ways to indirectly compensate for that gap.

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    1. Re:Man is not a woman by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Women make children and give them birth.

      They seem to have trouble doing this without men.

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    2. Re:Man is not a woman by SemperUbi · · Score: 1

      Both genders raise children, and that's the relevant learning curve for this argument.

    3. Re:Man is not a woman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, men and women together make children, but only women birth them.

  32. Endemic by biodata · · Score: 1

    Computers only do a very few things that are really different from each other. During the past 30 years I've seen the same things developed over and over and over again. The IKEA effect is strong in every organisation I've ever worked in, at least as much in commercial software as in FOSS, and is the reason for 80% of software development in my estimation. Everyone thinks they can build things better than anyone else and everyone insists that their own solution is better than anything else 'out there'.

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    1. Re:Endemic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what I find people like. You telling them what your product does *not* do in contrast to what it does do. People actually like honesty (go figure). "You want it to do that? We can make that work but it is not in there yet." That sells more than anything competitor out there.

      Most of the time people have put a lot of work into it. They become attached to it. They think it is the best ever. When many times it is just like every other persons implementation who came up with the idea and made it work.

      Or as I tell my fellow co workers. Take pride in what you do but do not think it is the best ever. We can get steamrolled in no time. It only took us a few months to get this going. Think about someone else they could do the same thing...

  33. I do it because quality is shit nowadays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my experience few blue-collar workers take any pride in their work anymore so if I at least have a clue how to do something, the result will be much better if I (after extensive googling) do it myself instead of let somebody else do it - albeit it takes me so much longer that it's certainly not cost-efficient. One trick I try to use, though, when I take my bike for maintenance is that since I used to be a real cycling enthusiast is to exchange a few words about maintenance and especially say that whilst the guy is the professional that knows a lot more than I do, I have done enough maintenance myself to know a good job when I see it. So far, it has in my experience yielded better results. Ideally I'd know a lot more about all sorts of work so I could do the same every time I need something done.

  34. like others have said.. not ikea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been around forever. And yes, I value things I built myself more than stuff other built. I'm sure that also golds true to most people here.
    Why? Well you know example how much work went into it, blood, sweat, and tears... how many cuts, splinters smashed fingers etc.
    its one reason a lot of people do their own work on their cars.. yeah its a pain sometimes (timing belt in a pt cruiser = want to kill the engineers) but knowing you did it gives a sense of pride. Just like the deck I build, and later the wrap around deck extension. Putting in all that time and work under the summer sun wasn't easy but I did it and it turned out great. Had I hired a company or someone else to do it, the work of giving them a check or cash just isn't the same and in ways reduces it to a throw-away object (doesn't always hold true with the throw away part.. such as the larger, more expensive deck and extension, but for furniture and such that mostly use MDF or other "non-real" wood)

    Plus building it yourself gives it character.

  35. Riight keep telling yourself that by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 1

    It is funny how some people keep repeating that "the market resists open source" while open source software is taking over bigger and bigger chunks of the market. Currently open source absolutely dominates web server operating systems, and web server software. It mostly dominates web application databases and is invading in the territory of other databases. It is on the way of dominating embedded operating systems including cell phones. It dominates new programming languages.

    So yeah, we do not have desktop domination yet, but open source is doing quite well and it is constantly encroaching on new sectors.

    1. Re:Riight keep telling yourself that by Ahab's+compliments · · Score: 0

      And also, companies and programmers employed by companies make significant contributions to open source projects. Not all open source work is done by hobbyists. In fact not much at all.

  36. Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because without opensource, IE6 is all you would have. Love it, it is the only way.

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    1. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by robthebloke · · Score: 0

      That's not true. There's always the AOL browser! *ducks*

    2. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opera

    3. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by maxume · · Score: 1

      Or Opera...

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    4. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by terjeber · · Score: 2

      You need to get out more. Go to the Opera.

    5. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, you forgot Opera...Closed source, but definitely one awesome browser.

    6. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by binkzz · · Score: 2

      Opera was never a threat to IE 4/5/6. Despite being a great browser/suite it gains very little market share. If open source hadn't stepped in the browser market, Opera wouldn't have changed anything.

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    7. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We begged to get upgraded away from IE6 at my office, and they gave us IE7 :(

    8. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Netscape was closed source until 2003. [I was also going to say that IE was based on the open source mosaic code but mosaic wasn't exactly open source and IE was actually based on spyglass mosaic, which didn't even use ncsa mosaic code].

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    9. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to get out more. Go to the Opera.

      I've tried Opera. It's bad enough that I'd rather use IE.

      A long time ago, their mobile options weren't bad, but even at that front they've fallen behind by quite a lot.

    10. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That... or Safari.

    11. Re:Then use IE6 for the rest of your life by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      Yes! I used opera on windows a long time ago. I gave it a try on Mac recently. It's actually unbearably bad. It's like using a badly unfinished alpha release of firefox.

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  37. People value what they spend time doing more than what they don't? Social scientists have been saying that for a long time before IKEA existed. It's why organizations ask you to do something small for them - such as tell your friends about a fundraiser - because you will value the org more because you did something yourself (and probably do more in the future.)

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  38. IKEA not really geeky by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    I love building my own stuff, more than most /.ers. Anything electronic in the house is done my yours truly. As is most cooking. Bicycles I build myself. I even build by own car and I even persuade the dealer to allow me do so.

    Building your own stuff is great when your labour results in having stuff finished as it's supposed to be. And here's where IKEA just isn't worth the effort. After huge amounts of labour you almost always wind up with particle board stuff. Ugly, without any personality whatsoever to it and heavy as lead. Ever tried rearranging average IKEA furniture? Ever moved house with IKEA furniture?

    A couple of years ago I wanted a sideboard and went through all the alternatives. I decided for Italian design furniture that was double the price of similar IKEA stuff. But altogether I got a much better deal. The sideboard looks stunning, it is made of real wood, it was delivered to my home and was installed by competent people.

    An acquaintance of mine with a very comfortable job -he earns shit loads of money- thinks he's a bit of a geek because he buys his furniture at IKEA's. His wife absolutely loathes the protestant furniture, which one way or another is never finished perfectly -unaligned panels and doors, the works. How are you going to die happily when your bank account is full to the brim and you own IKEA furniture?

    To me IKEA furniture does not make any sense and certainly does not make you a geek. It shows you generally have no taste and that you are quickly beguiled into buying apparently cheep stuff without considering the bigger picture.

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    1. Re:IKEA not really geeky by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      IKEA is fine for a piece of furniture that you know is going to be beat to crap anyway. They also offer high end/commercial stuff too (with a long warranty to back it).

    2. Re:IKEA not really geeky by RR · · Score: 1

      I love building my own stuff, more than most /.ers. Anything electronic in the house is done my yours truly. As is most cooking. Bicycles I build myself. I even build by own car and I even persuade the dealer to allow me do so.

      The more I know how it's assembled, the less I have the ability to build myself. When you build your own electronics, are you actually making masks and lithographing the chips? Or even soldering the components together on the motherboard? Life is just too short, and budget too small.

      Building your own stuff is great when your labour results in having stuff finished as it's supposed to be. And here's where IKEA just isn't worth the effort. After huge amounts of labour you almost always wind up with particle board stuff. Ugly, without any personality whatsoever to it and heavy as lead. Ever tried rearranging average IKEA furniture? Ever moved house with IKEA furniture?

      [Ikea furniture] is never finished perfectly -unaligned panels and doors, the works. How are you going to die happily when your bank account is full to the brim and you own IKEA furniture?

      Ugh, don't remind me. Someone gave me an Ikea thing. I spent a little time assembling it, trying to align it. And then I put stuff inside it, and it warped. Ikea indicates bad taste, if nothing else.

      But I don't think it's my place to judge someone else's values. Maybe your acquaintance will be laid off, and then he'll need that full bank account. Even if he'll be fine, there are other uses for money.

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  39. And this is better how? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Exactly what are you smoking that makes you think only showing an action once the user has already started it is intuitive?

    To help you to understand: If I instruct you to hit the red button and there is only a green button but the green button turns red when you hit it, you are going to complain about that button and me a lot.

    UI design mistakes are pretty common, as a designer you try to be original but forget that other people might not have the same mindset as you. It is very sad but either you are pushing things and upsetting people, or keeping people comfortable but always staying the same.

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  40. Less TV, more books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read about the philosophy behind the free software movement, you'll see that the motivation is not IKEA effect: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/

  41. More of a Training Barrier by masternerdguy · · Score: 1

    I think a major barrier to the uptake of OSS in general is training. Most high schools teach MS Office, Flash, and Visual Studio instead of their open counterparts. People like to use what they're familiar with. They may not even know that an OSS alternative is available, let alone that OSS even exists.

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  42. So true by Dahlgil · · Score: 1

    Interesting. I'm building an arcade cabinet right now. I have some limited skills working with wood, but by no means am I carpenter. I debated buying a kit, but could not find one that I was happy with. So I'm building from scratch.

    I have been proceeding very slowly and teaching myself new skills everytime there is something I want to do, but have not done before. I am *very* happy with the results, and there is absolutely no question that I value this piece of work far more than if I had just purchased it. In fact, I've estimated that considering the time and labor I've put into it, I would need to sell it at at least $10,000 to break even. This is far more than I think anyone would be willing to spend; but it is what I think it is "worth".

    On the other hand, this cabinet is highly customized. And perhaps this is the the more practical reason why I value it so highly. It's true that I wouldn't pay $10,000 for a "stock" arcade cabinet like the one I built. But if I had gone to a master woodworker and stood over his shoulder directing him to do all of the major and minor tweaks that I did, ask him--mid stream--to throw away assemblies he had done and re-do them in a different way (because I changed my mind after seeing what it looked like), and to have him overbuild and overfinish it in ways users would never see or appreciate; yeah, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if he charged me at least $10,000.

    So yes, I think we tend to value things we produce ourselves more highly than those built by others. However, for me in particular, when I really think about it, the reason is less about self-love than it is about customization--and even small customization can have tremendous value if that's the thing that you *need* to make the thing "perfect" for you. The thing I like so much about Open Source is that I can go into it and make those little tweaks that make the software do exactly what I want. A good example of this is Atari800, one of the emulators that I use in the cabinet. I really like this emulator, but it had some annoying (to me) minor issues that made it less than perfect for my application of it. So I contributed fixes for these things to the project. So now my project is perfect. And I value that a lot.

  43. Not that much by Junta · · Score: 1

    Sure, probably a little bit. You build a shoddy little app and you might have an irrational affinity for it even in the face of substantially more functional stuff. Though when you 'build' something (not assemble, as I would characterize IKEA stuff I've seen), you naturally tailor it precisely to your needs, so it generally isn't quite so irrational. The presumption that the market 'resists open source' is FUD/flamebait.

    The question is how do the popular open source projects get there. The answer is that generally commercial products are built using a certain model involving marketing, project managers,testers who frequently don't understand the life of the customer, customers with little to no ability to influence the program, architects who rearely, if ever, touch code, and coders "just doing their job". In some cases this works well or at *least* won't be any better in open source land due to various factors. However, a successful open source project includes has the line blurred between intended endusers, test, and development. This means the users get *precisely* what they wanted when things are done. Even if they are not doing a lot of development, they'll participate in discussions on their favorite feature and steer the conversation correctly whenever they see someone misunderstanding. It's the same basic principle as a designed by-and-for-yourself project, but on a larger scale in a healthy community.

    In commercial projects, there is a lot of signal loss as their requirements are taken down by someone not really understanding their needs, being distilled further into a short bullet point list of product requirements that ditches any semblance of the subtleties inherent in the requests, which is in turn interpreted and tested by a group who never uses the product for production and never talks to the customer, and then released to a customer who thinks "what the hell is this and what did it have to do with my requests?".

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  44. On the other hand by mrjb · · Score: 1

    Just because you made it yourself doesn't mean it's worse than the proprietary alternative. I'm using the Volti volume control applet in my task bar. Yes, I contributed to it. I'm using it not because of the pride of having contributed to it, but because now that it's patched, it does what I need it to. I've also written HD24tools, of which I *am* proud. That has little to do with me having written it, and more with what I've actually accomplished by doing so: I've got about 3500 users in 70 countries, running a mix of Windows/Mac/Linux, and the owners of the proprietary solution recommend my software over their own. I'd hardly call that being resisted by the market. It just so happens that my software solves a few problems that the proprietary software does not.

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  45. Confusing cause and effect by macieklen · · Score: 1

    To me it has always gone the other way - I only bother contributing to the projects I'm already enthusiastic enough about to invest my time into.

  46. Time to close slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All questions seem to be answered here already.

  47. Cost. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    For me personally, I make things myself when I cut costs by doing so.
    I couldn't care less if some other person did it for me if it was cheaper and of the same quality, however this is rarely the case.

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    1. Re:Cost. by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      I usually have to factor in about twice the cost of materials, and it's still cheaper.
      Unless you think you need to be paid for your time.

  48. The IKEA effect? Are you serious? by jidar · · Score: 1

    The IKEA effect? Are you serious?

    I'm from a poor background where we always had cheap crappy furniture we bought at [insert department store] and put together ourselves, this also continued for a bit into my adulthood until I had my career going, and at no point have I ever taken pride in that stuff, and I certainly never valued it more than good hand made furniture.

    Is this really happening? Are people really excited that they put pegs into side B and tightened down the lock nut?
    Man I think you have to have come from a well off background to think that way in the first place. Either that or this is an entirely made up thing.

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  49. Will to power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some people, DIY projects help satisfy their Neitzschean will to have power over themselves and their surroundings.

  50. Also by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1
    I think that love extends to ignoring its flaws. For example people raise kids, even if they have some crappy behaviors they still will spend all day bragging about how good they are at X (football, math etc). 'You're Tommy set the neighbors dog on fire', 'yeah but isn't he so cute'.

    Open source I'd say it is they ignore their flaws. It is getting better but Gnome, KDE etc used to be really flaky. The cool features they advertised on each version would be so unstable as to be unusable (at least in the sense of something you'd put infront of your non-technical boss and expect not to here "get this crap off my computer"), and also pretty typically a pretty ugly GUI (Ubuntu Brown anyone?). I can't count how many times I've talked to a open source guy and said this program is a real piece of crap, it is about half way from being useful I don't get why it is released etc. To get the reply 'Oh but it is free, what did you expect you didn't pay for it so don't complain, would you rather give $X to company Y etc'. Free doesn't excuse laziness. If it isn't good enough that someone would pay for it (the bar is pretty low if you look at some of the commercial software out there) it should still be Beta, not in a production distribution system etc.

    Lastly what really pisses me off is when something is say 75% good and 25% junk that is often when the developers decide to move on to something else. For commercial software there is an incentive to fix the problems because people come saying 'I'd by it but this needs to work first' not so with free software (I'm equating it with Open Source because the vast majority of Open Source is free). I'm guilty of it too, things I code on for fun I often work on until I prove I can do what my idea was and then stop. Programmed a chess game, programmed Battleship etc, I didn't care to polish it I just wanted to learn a new language/api and do a bit of fun logic. The problem is in the OS community often this crap gets published in the wild and any criticism becomes well if you don't like it you can fix it yourself. I have a life and can't be fixing everyone else's crappy code, my time is worth say $1 a minute to my employer why would I give up that $1 to work on somebodies fun project that might just be a program that would be useful to me but not a program that is interesting (in a development sense) to me?

  51. Commercial software developers too... by MikeUW · · Score: 1

    The same can be said about commercial software developers. Go ahead...find one company that doesn't say that the software they created is the best tool for the job it's designed for.

    The only difference is the general market doesn't 'resist' them. I'd say the general market doesn't 'resist' open source software either...most just don't know about it, or just don't want to put in the time/effort to use it. When any given open source software is appropriate for a particular task, is easy to setup and use, and someone is present to advocate for it, it probably would stand just as much of a chance as any commercial software. But that last ingredient is largely missing in most circumstances.

  52. Copying message boxes by MitchAmes · · Score: 1

    Alt-PrintScreen copies an image of the active window (ie the whole message box, including title and icons) to the clipboard. Then paste into e-mail, or WordPad or whatever. PrintScreen alone will copy the entire screen - which can sometimes be useful for context

  53. "Heathkit" effect or "Norm Abrams" effect by scharkalvin · · Score: 2

    How many out there remember Heathkits? I guess you could call it that theIKEA effect on steroids. Back in the 70's I built my own Heathkit TV. I thought it was the best performing TV set I'd ever seen, and we did look in the stores at sets before buying that one. Many people built their own stereo receivers, portable radios (me too), and television sets from kits by Heath.

    Then there was this guy on PBS with a show called the "New Yankee Workshop". Norm Abrams also wrote a few books on furniture construction and offered plans to all of the projects he built on the TV show. I bought some basic wood working power tools (table saw, drills, router, etc) and learned how to use them thanks to Norm's "instruction". I build a number of small furniture items including two chests of drawers that were based on a project from the NYWS. Those two chests are (IMHO) better constructed than anything I could buy (REAL WOOD instead of particle board or cardboard and limited use of plywood).

    If you don't want to make your own from scratch, or bolt it together from IKEA there is always "Wood You". Wood You stores sell assembled furniture that is un-finished. They provide you with the materials to fine sand, stain or paint, and finish the product. I've gotten several pieces of furniture from them, and they are quite nice. The money saved on not finishing them allows Wood You to use better materials in construction (REAL WOOD!).

    1. Re:"Heathkit" effect or "Norm Abrams" effect by rgviza · · Score: 1

      Heathkit is actually gearing up for new kits and has released some kits (fuel cell kit, solar panel kit, wind turbine kit)

      http://heathkit.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=225

      Not quite the same company now, mostly educational courses, but they are doing kits again.

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  54. Our systems maint guys say no by rebtun · · Score: 1

    My company can't use software that isn't maintained and supported by a "reliable" owner. By reliable I mean we must be able to sue them if it does not perform according to agreement. We do use some open source on stand alone systems, but we will never be able to get it through our system maintainers departments for any of our networks in production.

  55. Ikea Hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never got that, IKEA's stuff is cheap, and most designs are cool. IKEA is by far the most bang for your buck.

  56. Eggs by wytcld · · Score: 1

    The article mentions that cake mix didn't sell in the 50s until they changed it to require the cook to add an egg. The claim is the labor of adding the egg made the result more pleasing. But this ignores the plain fact that you can still get pancake mix with or without the need to add an egg - and the kind that requires a fresh egg tastes better, because a fresh egg tastes better. It's the same difference as between scrambling a fresh egg and reconstituted eggs.

    So this whole thing is premised on being insensible to quality. The assumption is that the all-in-one cake mix is just as good, which is an advertising claim, not the truth.

    When it comes to aesthetic appreciation of built objects, the experience of construction is itself a dimension of aesthetic appreciation, which conveys real knowledge of form beyond mere appreciation of a finished, static object. Having experienced that dimension, you can no more set it aside than you can the smell of food that's now in your mouth. To do a test where you pretend people can set that aside and claim the results are science is dumb.

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  57. "Furniture builder" by Leemeng · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of an ex-colleague who said his hobby is "building furniture". I thought "Wow! A real craftsman!" until I found out that his definition of building furniture is buying stuff from Ikea and assembling it.

    I didn't have the heard to tell him that his efforts would fall under the "cheap, low-skilled labor" category in third world countries. He seemed genuinely proud of the furniture he "built".

  58. Not Built Here by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    Well yeah, it's pretty much an extrapolation of the "not built here" mentality. In business, it's a anti-pattern. An excuse to have some home-brew encryption. But as far as aesthetics and appreciation, hell yeah I prefer the things I made myself. Even if it's uglier. Sometimes even if it doesn't work as well.

    If you have to ask why, you're getting into some fundamental psychology/sociology that's really eye-opening to professors and mind-blowingly obvious to everyone else.

  59. The main reason is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the things I make because I make 'em the way I like 'em.

  60. This beats the hell of of any IKEA furniture... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and I'm building one myself. One of these babies right here!

  61. Sense of accomplishment by kent_eh · · Score: 2

    People get a sense of accomplishment from making things. That provides a psychological boost.

    That's all there is to it.

    Of course making things isn't the only way to get a sense of accomplishment, but making things does create a physical object that re-enforces that good feeling whenever we see/use it.

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    1. Re:Sense of accomplishment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I (very recently) built three high gain television antennas, then ganged them together. Where I live, there are 7 local stations. 4 of them come in at 18 out of 18 bars. One of them comes in at 15 out of 18 bars, one at 12 out of 18 bars, and one 9 out of 18 bars. Because digital TV only needs about 4 of 18 bars to look perfect (forward error correction fixes any problems), everything looks perfect. Its odd that the channel that only gives 12 of 18 bars comes from the same tower as one of the channels that gives 18 of 18 bars. My antenna is made from 1 1/2" diameter black ABS plumbing pipe (which I painted white), with aluminum active elements and passive elements I screwed to it. The 3/8" aluminum wire for the passive and active elements started out as a roll of wire you use to hang drop ceilings (first I had to straighten the wire, then cut it to length, and then for the active elements bend it to the right shape. I have three antennas pointing in three different directions so I don't need a motor or rotor. I lose gain (2/3 of the signal from each station) by it being re-radiated through the other two antennas, and 2.5 dB for each signal combiner (and there are 2). There is still enough gain to make for killer signals (which I then split to three televisions). It works great. Oh, I use Free Software too. It usually works better than commercial software, doesn't have nasty license restrictions, is more configurable for my needs, and (least important) is either cheaper or at no cost (I don't want to say free because the real freedom is free market style free license. I am free to change it to fit my needs, and free from licenses restricting what I can do with it).

  62. NIH Effect Re:Endemic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone thinks they can build things better than anyone else and everyone insists that their own solution is better than anything else 'out there'.

    Yes! This is the 'Not Invented Here' effect. It's crippled the development team I'm currently on. Not only do they believe it's more efficient to develop an in house bug tracking system, but they don't even let it do bug tracking. Don't get me wrong, it's got a great interface for management (look at all these graphs and numbers), but the developer facing side is CRAP and makes it more work to keep track of issues/tasks/problems/ than a raffle box of scraps of paper.

    Even worse, because each project is only worked on by a single developer, none of us learn from each other and each application is done differently. The result of this is that when a developer moves on, all their apps get butchered by a variety of new developers until 'it's not maintainable' at which point it gets a rewrite by... another lone developer.

    Of course it also doesn't help that they have an insane love of javascript for operations which are normally performed statically. ie: they use javascript, not as an adjunct to improve the application's interface, but to replace the operation of existing html elements. Heaven forbid a user be able to open a link in a new window.

  63. Applets by Ksisanth · · Score: 2

    IKEA is more comparable to desklets or plasmoids (or whatever the KDE applets are called these days), though. The basics are done already, so its appeal is accessibility and ease. The real DIY "open source" furniture is more like this stuff. Anyone can do it with simple tools and the right materials, but it still takes some effort. When it's easier to start a project, a steady increase in required effort builds a reluctance to let the initial investment go to waste. The trouble is biting off more than one can chew from the start. I think that is often the case with FOSS.

    1. Re:Applets by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      To really make furniture DIY you should be drawing the plans yourself, or at least adding a few modification to better suit you.

  64. Re:This is my program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program is my best friend.
    It is my life.
    I must master it as I must master my life.

  65. At last we know how to fight the epidemic. by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

    Congress must act now! I propose an immediate ban on some-assembly-required furniture. With fast action, the IKEA disease will only exist in history books.

  66. Re:to an extent.. by danlock4 · · Score: 1

    [Re: to an extent] this is most assuredly true.

    ...hence the inherent love a mother typically feels for her [self-built] child(ren).

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  67. are you kidding? by Chirs · · Score: 1

    Most of their bookshelves and cabinets and many of their dressers and drawers are particleboard. The extra-thick bookshelf components are actually cardboard honeycomb with laminate.

    Yes, there are a selection of products made of solid wood, mostly tables, chairs, and benches. (i.e. stuff that sees harder use) Most of the stained stuff is pine, which dents if you look at it funny. Some of it is birch/beech/oak, which can be decent.

    Let's be realistic. Ikea furniture is designed to be disposable. It's not going to be around two hundred years from now. I agree with you though that there is other stuff that is even worse.

    If you want to see high quality flat-pack furniture, check out http://www.greendesigns.com/ No, I don't own any of their stuff or work for them. Yes, you'll pay $2000 for a coffee table. But it's solid cherry, made in the USA, with no metal fasteners whatsoever. Everything is sliding dovetails.

  68. IKEA?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is following instructions to assemble a prefabricated kit comparable to creating/building something yourself? With Ikea furniture, there's no creativity involved at all. Unlike other furniture systems, you don't even have the slightest choice in how you assemble them. This is like pretending that you created something because you successfully opened the package.

  69. "Ikea effect"? I don't think so... by LibRT · · Score: 1

    Using a smurf-scale hex wrench to coax an incorrect number of bolt-like objects into ultra-cheap particle board certainly didn't make me value the finished product more. Instead, it filled me with rage and curiousity about how long the indentation of the smurf-scale hex wrench would last in my thumb and the crook of my index finger (spoiler: 2 days)...

  70. If you care about quality. . . by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

    . . .the real Ikea Effect is the feeling of shame for donating your time and efforts to such a crappy outcome. Perhaps this manifests itself in the form of "pride", but as a defense mechanism.

    1. Re:If you care about quality. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like open sores to me!

  71. Caterham and other kit cars in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Caterham (and other brands) are popular in the UK

    http://www.caterham.co.uk/

  72. Understanding! by unrtst · · Score: 1

    Not sure why I didn't see this mentioned...

    IMO, it's simply an understanding level. Explains Windows and iPod/iPad too.

    When you put something together yourself, you'll gain an understanding of said thing. If you understand it, you'll appreciate it more in comparison to a black box.

    Lots of people have used Windows enough to have a better understanding of its quirks and how stuff works in the Windows world than they do the unknown of Linux (or Macs, for that matter).

    Understanding something rather than just having something takes up a bigger chunk of the brain, so it seems natural that one would have a stronger connection to those things. Doesn't mean you have to build it to gain understanding, but that's one way that'd help.

  73. http://xkcd.com/198/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems again the xkcd joke http://xkcd.com/198/

  74. In Other News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Captain Obvious discovers that if he plants his head up his rectum, he can extract the turd lodged in it and use it for an article.

    Jesus on a pogostick, are you kidding me? Of course people value what they build for themselves. It's called emotional attachment!

  75. Well, except for the cheap part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats true.

  76. It's emotional investment in one's creation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The IKEA effect doesn't apply only to Open Source. I worked for a company that had a strictly internal program - in that sense it was not open source and wasn't intended to be open - and the owner, who was the first programmer, couldn't stand the idea of replacing any code. He never got angry with us for suggesting it, but it was literally too painful for him to consider deleting any part of his creation. So as the business grew and he had to spend more and more time in management and less and less in programming, he ended up having to hire five programmers to do what two should have done easily with well-managed software.

    You see the same emotional investment when a fork of a project is announced by someone who is not satisfied with some aspect of maintenance, development or support of an open source project. Much of the criticism of the fork by the original project developers is almost always emotional; it is painful to see someone take away their brain child.

    So be ruthless to your own code. Throw it out when a better way presents itself or the new specs don't need it. Don't hesitate; it's not like shooting your own sick dog who looks up at you through his pain with those sad eyes while you take aim. It really won't hurt as much as that. It's just code. Remember, it's not even the program; you don't get that until you translate from programming language to machine code. So be ruthless with your own code. Respect everyone else's as if you were dealing with their favorite and only child. There's a good chance they haven't learned that lesson yet.

  77. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did not build Linux, still I enjoy using it. One could argue that this is because it is build by my peers, however I also love my Mac Book Air and my little green Yoda puppet. Neither of these are build by my peers.

  78. The icon doesn't change until you drop the volume? by reiisi · · Score: 1

    Seriously. The icon changes when you push the mouse button to start a drag on any ejectable volume.

    Sure, it requires you to have faith that there might be someplace useful to drag it to. Or to be observant when you accicentally hold a click on an ejectable volume.

    I suppose you're too much of a purist to ever try dragging a volume. But if you had tried right-clicking on the volume, well, there you have another way.

    What you're really complaining about is the lack of that tiny, tiny, "Why should I do anything with that?" triangle about the some place in the MSWindows task bar where the trash icon in the stock dock on the Mac would be, the one you can click on to see and manipulate the status (I guess?) of certain attachable devices. Talk about having to have someone point that one out to me.

    But, then, right clicking worked well enough for me.

    (And many of my co-workers just pull the USB Flash drive and don't worry about it. Buy a new flash unit when it dies. It's gonna die anyway, as they perceive.)

    So, what's your complaint again?

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  79. in the real world, probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The majority of Open Source users are NOT developers. At most, the average user is somewhat more likely to "get under the hood" than the average Winblows user. Not to say that there aren't a great many people who have more of a "personal ownership" sense of their Open Source systems than the average Winblows user, I'd guess that the odds that an Open Source user built her own box are far greater than for Windows users, but I don't think the "Ikea effect" is sufficiently important to be considered "the explanation" for why people use Open Source.

    I use it because it's stable, reliable, and easily configurable, and it's maintenance requirements are lesser than keeping up with AV and malware protection in a Windows environment.

  80. Future-Proofing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just attempting to analyse my own creative urges, I think one of the reasons I like building things and/or using open source products is a sense that with commercial products I am beholden to someone who can, at any time, withdraw it or change it, disable it, or put up its price. If I build something myself I know that I can keep it just the way I like it, for ever.

  81. An IKEA furniture takes about 10 min. to assemble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a Swede, almost half of my furniture is from IKEA, almost half of it is bought second hand (some of them originally from IKEA, but assembled by previous owner).

    Whenever I move, I usually donate a lot of furniture to second hand shops (almost all second hand shops are owned by charity organisations here in Sweden) and then buy new ones where-ever I end up moving (usually from second hand and IKEA ;-). Do I prefer to keep IKEA furniture above other furniture, no. An IKEA bookshelf or cabinet takes about 5 minutes to assemble, some more complicated furniture may take up to half an hour, and it don't take much effort either, I don't feel any pride over the fact that I manage to assemble an IKEA furniture. What I keep is furniture with high functionality and good style that is hard to get, I do check if IKEA have stopped producing a furniture I like before I donate it, but usually the IKEA furniture is still in production and can be rebought at the new location, and I usually can find the same furniture second hand for a fraction of the original price at the new location (some of the IKEA series have been sold since the 1970's in Sweden, e.g. the Billy book shelf has been in production since 1978 and is the most popular product made by IKEA in Sweden, there are considerably more Billy book shelves in Sweden then there are people).

    I do tend to keep furniture longer that I have really made, or modified, myself, or that have sentimental value (inherited furniture, gifts from someone I value, or ...eh... with some more memorable moments linked to them). But at most half an hour spent assembling them don't produce a sentimental value to me (unless they where assembled together with someone and I want to remember that moment). The number of furnitures I take with me when moving around have grown slowly during the decades.

    It might be that I grew up with lego, building new things every minute and then "destroying" it, or it might be that I'm actually capable of making furniture if needed (but why, they are cheaper to buy), but it feels silly that people (I guess US-Americans, they are silly in general) place sentimental value in so small achievements from their part.

    Oh, and I have contributed some small bug fixes to open source projects, but honestly, I can't even recall which ones (but sometimes I see one of them in use or mentioned somewhere and is reminded), I only bother to help very small projects that seem to need all help they can get, larger projects usually have large corporations backing them, I don't think any of "my" projects are still alive (the faith of almost all small open source projects). I'm not an involved open source contributor, I don't stick with a project, I like to read new code just because it is fun (like reading a new good book) and sometimes it is easy enough to make an improvement.

  82. article offered me a yes/no question ;-) by fantomas · · Score: 1

    The article offered me a yes/no answerable question and I gave my opinion :-)