Doritos Creator Art West Dead at 97

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Doritos Creator Art West Dead at 97

Posted by samzenpus on Monday September 26, 2011 @08:20AM from the cool-ranch-in-the-sky dept.

The creator of Doritos has died in Dallas at age 97. Despite being the bane of keyboards and mouse wheels, Art West's famous snacks have become a staple in the geek diet. Doritos officially arrived in the U.S. in 1964 and has since expanded to 23 flavors. Art's Daughter Jana Hacker told The Dallas Morning News that the family plans on "tossing Doritos chips in before they put the dirt over the urn."

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Thanks by djdanlib · 2011-09-26 08:21 · Score: 3, Funny

Well, I guess he had to cash in his chips eventually.
Thanks for the flavors, sir!
1. Re:Thanks by tripleevenfall · 2011-09-26 08:39 · Score: 2
  
  Time to Frito-lay him to rest.
2. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:49 · Score: 0
  
  That's a pretty cheesy joke...
3. Re:Thanks by Samantha+Wright · 2011-09-26 08:50 · Score: 2
  
  I dunno. I think it may have been more corny than cheesy.
  
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4. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:56 · Score: 0
  
  That's so punny!
5. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:06 · Score: 1
  
  You're just jealous because it's nacho joke.
6. Re:Thanks by sconeu · 2011-09-26 10:11 · Score: 1
  
  I guess we can't eat all we want... They won't make more.
  
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7. Re:Thanks by cvtan · 2011-09-26 10:44 · Score: 1
  
  According to Fark.com he died of nachoral causes. Sorry.
  
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8. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 11:24 · Score: 0
  
  Well, I guess he had to cash in his chips eventually.
  Thanks for the flavors, sir!
  Yes, it would be fitting if they use Cool Ranch embalming fluid on him.
  With extra MSG!
9. Re:Thanks by EdIII · 2011-09-26 15:13 · Score: 1
  
  I think he would have preferred to have been Frito-laid to death.
10. Re:Thanks by djdanlib · 2011-09-28 06:24 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe both. Well, if anyone thinks they can come up with one cheddar, I'm all ears. :)
Jana Hacker? by chaboud · 2011-09-26 08:21 · Score: 1

Dude.. I want that name, especially if my family is responsible for such a hacker friendly snack.
today is a day that will live in infamy by jsepeta · 2011-09-26 08:24 · Score: 1

so long, and thanks for the chips!

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1. Re:today is a day that will live in infamy by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:37 · Score: 0
  
  Infamy, infamy... They've all got it in for me!
Do you? by akedia43 · 2011-09-26 08:25 · Score: 2

Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants!
1. Re:Do you? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:27 · Score: 0
  
  I do experiments on ants you insensitive clod!
2. Re:Do you? by MagikSlinger · 2011-09-26 08:30 · Score: 1
  
  Archer, FTW!
  
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3. Re:Do you? by tripleevenfall · 2011-09-26 08:49 · Score: 1
  
  I am an ant you insensitive clod!
4. Re:Do you? by Homr+Zodyssey · 2011-09-26 09:08 · Score: 1
  
  Danger Zone!
5. Re:Do you? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 15:39 · Score: 0
  
  This guy might be interested.
Must be a case of the late-day munchies... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:27 · Score: 0

...because I was oddly touched when I read this:

Art's Daughter Jana Hacker told The Dallas Morning News that the family plans on "tossing Doritos chips in before they put the dirt over the urn."
1. Re:Must be a case of the late-day munchies... by elrous0 · 2011-09-26 09:04 · Score: 1
  
  They should toss in the Cool Ranch flavored ones. At least then they would be good for SOME purpose.
  
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2. Re:Must be a case of the late-day munchies... by bigstrat2003 · 2011-09-26 10:07 · Score: 1
  
  I'm not a huge fan of Cool Ranch myself, but there are people who swear by them. So they're good for keeping those people away from our (superior) flavors.
  
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3. Re:Must be a case of the late-day munchies... by Quiet_Desperation · 2011-09-26 10:11 · Score: 1
  
  I'm one of the Cool Ranch fans. :-) I eat other flavors, though, sorry.
  I think I was the only one who liked the Pizza ones.
4. Re:Must be a case of the late-day munchies... by flimflammer · 2011-09-26 13:12 · Score: 1
  
  Just give them to me. I love cool ranch.
Ambivalent feelings... by cayenne8 · 2011-09-26 08:27 · Score: 3, Interesting

You know....kinda sad, but also kinda angry.
I mean, as a kid...I used to like doritos. Heck...I remember when they had plain doritos....not sure when they stopped those and only started the flavored ones.
But I'm a bit mad now...this guy contributed to the crap food we in the US eat on a regular basis. Highly processed foods, with no nutrition....contributing to the high obesity rate we see out there today.
But then again...I guess I can't put the blame on this guy....hey, they taste good. Trouble is, people abuse fast food today. A bag of doritos in my house when growing up, was a rare occurance....maybe for a special weekend if we were going to grill out burgers or the like. It cerainly wasn't day-to-day food.
Ok..so, goodbye Mr. Doritos Inventor Guy....thanks for a fun treat.
It is just too bad, that somewhere in the past couple generations, we've lost parents that actually care about what their kids eat....than actually had at least ONE parent that knew how to cook and prepare a nutritious meal, and knew the importance of that, and at least the insistence of at least sporadic family sit down meals.
It isn't your fault that a 'treat' is now viewed as a regular daily fucking food by so many Americans that are so fat, that if they drop the bag on the floor at their feet, they can no longer easily see the fucker sitting there.....nor can their 2nd grade kids...

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1. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Riceballsan · 2011-09-26 08:41 · Score: 1
  
  I have to agree with you, food dosn't make people fat, people make themselves fat, parents deserve the full blame for childhood obiesity, not McDonnalds, not Doritos or Count Chocula. Stupid genX parent "OMG that darn cartoon mascott is making my kid want unhealthy food, my kids are asking for unhealthy food and getting fat on it because of these evil marketers". No it isn't the marketers, it's your dumb ass who buys your kid everything they ask for, they are kids you are a parent, it's your flipping job to teach them moderation. Back to cave man times parents had to teach their kids not to eat poisonous berries frogs etc.. we have to teach our kids when they've had enough.
2. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by vlm · 2011-09-26 08:42 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  But I'm a bit mad now...this guy contributed to the crap food we in the US eat on a regular basis. Highly processed foods, with no nutrition....contributing to the high obesity rate we see out there today.
  Please reread the original article
  
  age 97
  Yeah I know, anecdote is not data, etc. But your rant is not gonna sit well about a dead nearly centurian. Sure, no corn and he might have lived to 110, but I think 97 is pretty good... If I "only" make it to 97 I'll be pretty happy. Pissed that I didn't make it to 98, but still pretty happy.
  Also your rant is nonsense, regardless if corn and its byproducts are healthy, if it were not nutritious it would not make farm animals and people fat.
  The final nonsense of your rant is the dorito was invented in 1964, about 40 years before widebodies started beaching themselves at the local walmart. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think it's the doritos.
  non-nutritious would be stuff like sawdust, non-digestible fiber, cellulose plants in general...
  I think you're confusing nutritious with good, just like some clowns confuse "natural" or "organic" with good.
  In summary, I agree with you that corn and corn byproducts are not good for anything but fattening up cows and pigs before slaughter, so I try to eat as little corn and corn byproducts as possible. But your arguments are incredibly counter productive.
  
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3. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:42 · Score: 0
  
  A bag of doritos in my house when growing up, was a rare occurance....maybe for a special weekend if we were going to grill out burgers or the like. It cerainly wasn't day-to-day food.
  Everyone I personally know still treats them the same way today. Maybe I'm out of touch, or maybe you're imagining the problem is bigger than it really is.
4. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:48 · Score: 0
  
  I think it is more than a little sad that I have impressed others with my 'cooking skills' by doing little more than opening the package, adding water, and sticking it in the microwave.
  They should be impressed if I present them a home-made Quiche with a wonderfully flaky hand-made crust, not when I cook flavored rice in the microwave and add a layer of cheese on top... That is just bachelor food.
5. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by tripleevenfall · 2011-09-26 08:50 · Score: 1
  
  You should emote at Coca-Cola and Pepsico, as well as the fast food chains. Then after doing that for a couple of hundred years, worry about processed snack foods.
6. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by vlm · 2011-09-26 08:53 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  A bag of doritos in my house when growing up, was a rare occurance....maybe for a special weekend if we were going to grill out burgers or the like. It cerainly wasn't day-to-day food.
  Everyone I personally know still treats them the same way today. Maybe I'm out of touch, or maybe you're imagining the problem is bigger than it really is.
  I checked the wikipedia and they typically sell around half a billion bucks worth of doritos per year in the USA. The vending machine in the basement sells a little lunch size snack for about a buck. There are about half a billion americans, plus or minus a heck of a lot of illegals. So the average american eats about one snack sized bag per year, or with an order of magnitude anyway. Supposedly that one annual bag is why one third of us are "fat" now. I'm thinking, no. Even assuming that only the fatties eat them and the skinnies never eat them, thats still only 3 snack bags per fatty per year.
  I think this much like the widely quoted claim that the average american watches 8 hours of TV per day. Yeah, OK, whatever, its a gullibility test, nothing more.
  
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7. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Hatta · 2011-09-26 08:54 · Score: 1
  
  I think it is more than a little sad that I have impressed others with my 'cooking skills' by doing little more than opening the package, adding water, and sticking it in the microwave.
  I'd be really impressed with your cooking skills if that got you anything other than a steaming bag of soggy corn chips and maybe a damaged microwave.
  
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8. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:55 · Score: 0
  
  Hi. I'm one of those people you'd probably think prefers to eat fast food and mcDs.
  It's not so much that I prefer it, though sometimes I do, but I live alone. I'm also fairly busy most of the time. So my options are either:
  Stop at 5-guys burger and fries on the way home, get a burger and fries, and eat them for dinner. Added time: Maybe 10 minutes of of my way at most.
  Or: make sure I have all the ingrediants needed for a meal, prepare it, wait for it to finish, eat it, then have to do a bunch of dishes, and then have to deal with leftovers of the same food for the next 3-4 days because its downright hard to cook for one person. Total time expense: a lot.
  Now, if someone was willing to cook a home cooked meal for me, and take care of all of the shopping, prep work, and cleaning? Thats different. But even then..I've had a lot of bad homecooked meals. I've never had a bad baconator..
9. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by MrTester · 2011-09-26 08:56 · Score: 1
  
  I cant disagree with anything you say, but where the hell did the corn come in? I reread the article looking for what I missed, but the OP didnt mention corn once, and yet you disagree with his stance on corn. Do you know something I dont?
  
  Surely your not assuming corn is the most harmful ingredient in Doritos, because my permanently orange stained fingers would argue otherwise.
10. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by jazman_777 · 2011-09-26 08:57 · Score: 1
  
  It is just too bad, that somewhere in the past couple generations, we've lost parents that actually care about what their kids eat....than actually had at least ONE parent that knew how to cook and prepare a nutritious meal, and knew the importance of that, and at least the insistence of at least sporadic family sit down meals.
  Not just caring about what we eat, but teaching us some self-control. My mother wouldn't stop me from scarfing those Nacho Cheese Doritos when we got a bag. She was just too soft on me, bless her heart.
  
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11. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by atrain728 · 2011-09-26 09:00 · Score: 1
  
  I live alone.
  Sounds like a catch-22.
12. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by vlm · 2011-09-26 09:03 · Score: 1
  
  I'd be really impressed with your cooking skills if that got you anything other than a steaming bag of soggy corn chips and maybe a damaged microwave.
  You know what makes an absolutely killer topping on top of mac n cheese? Like blow you away amazing flavor? Smashed nacho cheese Doritos, that's what. The key to eating fattening unhealthy stuff like pasta / cheese / doritos is its a special slow cooked winter snack, eaten in reasonable small portions, maybe as a side dish, not every freaking day at lunch, not eat more and more until you feel like you need the vomitorium.
  They also make a weirdly tasty replacement for cornmeal for breaded fish. Plenty of seasoning in there, after all. Again, unless you wanna die, deep fried fish is a special snack, not a weekly bacchanalian feast.
  Also crumbled up and tossed on a salad, they bring some serious flavor. More than most croutons, anyway.
  People would think you're a lunatic if you drank ketchup like it was beer. I look at doritos the same way... yummy flavored cornmeal goodness as a condiment or flavoring, not as the primary source of calories in a meal.
  
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13. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Homr+Zodyssey · 2011-09-26 09:14 · Score: 2
  
  People would think you're a lunatic if you drank ketchup like it was beer.
  But...Ronald Reagan told me it was a vegetable....
14. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by newcastlejon · 2011-09-26 09:23 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  I've got two words for you, just two words: slow cooker. Yes, I realise that they're only good for casseroles, soups and the like, but you can also come home to braised beef that melts in the mouth and if you like curry you'll love one of these gizmos (lamb works particularly well). A timer comes in very handy for things that need less cooking.
  I'm also single and have little trouble cooking, subsisting as I do on slow-cooked fare, salads, stir-fry and other quickly-prepared meals. Another piece of advice I'd like to share is that you will probably find a lot of good recipes in so-called student cook books: they're packed full of meal ideas meant for people who have little time to cook. In fact, my book was the most useful thing I bought in my university years, next to a jug type water filter, which dramatically improves the quality of cheap vodka.
  
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15. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Homr+Zodyssey · 2011-09-26 09:24 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry, but I and all of my Gen-X neighbors cook decent meals and sit down to supper every evening with our families. We police our children's diets, and we only scarf down a bag of Doritos once a month or so -- as a cool treat.
  If anything, we're stricter on our kids than our parents were. My mom never purposefully bought "organic" food -- there was no such products in the 80s. Sometimes, they gave us cupcakes or cookies at school! (gasp!) I was allowed Kool-aid whenever I wanted it. Heaven forbid I let my kid take a peanut-butter sandwich to school, but they actually used to serve that to us in the cafeteria! And they cut the peanut butter with honey!
16. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Johnny+Mnemonic · 2011-09-26 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  But your rant is not gonna sit well about a dead nearly centurian.
  
  You don't have any idea if he ate his own product. He may have lived to 97 because he knew what was in Doritos, and so chose not to.
  
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17. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:42 · Score: 0
  
  Any smart dealer knows not to use, or in the worst case to only consume any at all when necessitated by your clients. Mr. West was probably the same. When Doritos were first made isn't germane to their discussion -- it'd be much more appropriate to ask both when did they become popular, and when did they get addicting food additives put in to them (i.e., MSG, and MSG precursors)?
18. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:46 · Score: 0
  
  The final nonsense of your rant is the dorito was invented in 1964, about 40 years before widebodies started beaching themselves at the local walmart. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think it's the doritos.
  I still don't think it's the doritos, but it was commonly acknowledged in Britain that the USA had an obesity problem as far back as when I was at (the equivalent of) high school - early 1990s. Less than 30 years after doritos appeared.
  Me? I think it's pervasive advertising, together with weak parenting. We're seeing a similar trend in the UK maybe a decade later, so I suspect increases in the effectiveness of TV advertising are a key cause, combined with reduced effectiveness of parental guidance owing to longer working hours, greater requirement for both parents to be breadwinners {and} single parent families.
19. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by PaulBu · 2011-09-26 09:47 · Score: 1
  
  Back to cave man times parents had to teach their kids not to eat ... frogs -- I guess their lesson was lost on ancestors of French people! ;-)
  Just had to, because I went through that sentence several times to parse it, in absence of punctuation it was not easy...
  But you and GP are right! And I feel ambivalent as well, but they sure do taste good!
  (Damn, did I actually make a grammar nazi comment? :( English is not even my first language, sorry, man!).
  Paul B.
20. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by SleazyRidr · 2011-09-26 09:48 · Score: 2
  
  Doritos are made out of corn.
  
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21. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by lexsird · 2011-09-26 09:52 · Score: 1
  
  Sweet Jesus man, find a cross and we will nail you to it, you miserable bastard. Seriously, we need your diatribe about junk food; it's not like we haven't heard it all of our fucking lives. How about we find you, capture you and fuck with you. We put you in a cage and starve the shit out of you and when you are about to die, we toss you a bag of Doritos and see if a. you eat it. b. if you do, does it save your life? Too much? Not enough? Not enough, ok, then we give them to you a chip at a time, and play "Simon Says". Quick a play on "Silence of the Lambs"; "It eats the Doritos from the floor, or it gets no Doritos any more." Overboard? Ok. But it would give you a righteous reason to bitch about Doritos, no? You wouldn't be wallowing in this state of flux between "he was great, no, he was a cunt" concerning the inventor.
  The point is, it's Doritos inventor, he's dead. It's a sad day. Now fuck off.
  Just kidding. Too bad they didn't find a way to insert vitamins in them or something, like Total Cereals. Total Doritos, what a fucking concept, huh? If you are going to be fat, be healthy. Or is that an oxymoron? Who the fuck knows, I am hungry now.
  
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22. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Jonner · 2011-09-26 09:55 · Score: 1
  
  In summary, I agree with you that corn and corn byproducts are not good for anything but fattening up cows and pigs before slaughter, so I try to eat as little corn and corn byproducts as possible. But your arguments are incredibly counter productive.
  You've obviously never eaten fresh, good tortillas as opposed to the crap in a bag which is the subject of TFA. It's fine if you don't personally like things made from corn, but to dismiss a grain which has been a staple for many cultures throughout history as only good for "fattening up cows and pigs before slaughter" seems ignorant and short-sighted at best. Which grains are fit for human consumption, oh great fount of wisdom?
23. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Hatta · 2011-09-26 09:58 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  If you actually put some thought into it it's a lot easier and cheaper to cook for yourself. Throw a hunk of meat into the oven, and simmer some rice. Walk away, come back 20 minutes later. You're done. Less than 10 minutes actually cooking, and far far cheaper than 5 guys.
  Or like the other poster suggested, get a slow cooker. Once or twice a week make up some large batch of food, and freeze it in aliquots. I've got curry, baked beans, spaghetti sauce, and gumbo in my freezer right now. All I have to do is toss it in the microwave and prepare a starch to go with it. About 20 minutes actual work, but you eat 6-8 meals off of it.
  Or on the weekend, cook yourself a big roast. Maybe a turkey. This is actually very easy. Just stick it in a bag, stick the bag in the overn, and walk away for a couple hours. The left overs will last most of the week, and you can do lots of things with them. Sandwiches of course. Or throw it in a salad.
  You know what's really easy too? Quiche. Just get a pie crust from the store. Toss anything you have in to it, and fill with an egg/milk mixture. Bake it about 45 minutes. Less than 10 minutes actual work.
  A lot of vegetables are really easy to make for yourself too. Try doing squash sometime. Just cut it open, remove the seeds, and bake it for an hour. Or microwave it for 10 minutes. Ridiculously easy, and do you have any idea how good squash is? It's really fucking good!
  Or Broccoli. Boil water, blanch broccoli for 2 minutes, strain. You're done! You can even just rinse the pot out and put it back on the shelf. Honestly, the idea of paying someone to do something so simple, and get worse results than I could at home is repugnant to me.
  As for dishes, there's a lot of good food that can be made in one pot. You don't need to be serving 4 course meals to yourself just to eat well. One pot, a plate and bowl, and your silverware. Is that really going to take you more than 10 minutes to clean? Unless you let your dishes pile up, there should never be that many in a single person household.
  Your only barrier to feeding yourself well, cheaply and conveniently, is your own knowledge. If you're constantly looking up recipes and trying to figure out what to do, that can be stressful. But once you have a routine down, and work out of a well stocked kitchen it's all pretty trivial.
  
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24. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by roman_mir · 2011-09-26 10:05 · Score: 1
  
  This is what you need to watch.
  
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25. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by guises · 2011-09-26 10:10 · Score: 1
  
  They're also made out of fat. Tons of fat - more than half a gram per chip. I agree with GP, the corn stuff and the pedantic use of the word nutrition came out of left field.
26. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by lexsird · 2011-09-26 10:17 · Score: 0
  
  Are you saying your a fat lazy fuck? It happens to the best of us, so don't worry. Let me help if I may.
  Buy a cook book. They are wrote for women. That translates into; You can be a completely clueless fucking idiot and cook stuff with their instructions. Get the Better Homes and Garden One, or something of it's ilk. It needs to be HUGE, and have ring binders so the pages don't flip while you are busy/greasy/covered in something etc.
  Go buy some Tupperware, or be a Jew and save "butter" containers and stuff like that to freeze leftovers in. The best thing would be the multi-compartment containers that look like a food dish sort of, that way you can put the whole meal in the microwave when you get home and in 15 minutes or so be burning you fingers on it.
  Next, look for shit you want to cook. Figure out what ingredients you will need. Place them on something called a "shopping list". You get off of work and go to something called a Super Market. Get a cart and find all the shit on your list and buy it. Take it home, put it away.
  Find time, and cook up a meal. Dole out the portions into your containers and don't set and eat it out of the pans like a pig. Freeze the shit. Eat a decent meal, lose some fucking weight and save a LOT OF MONEY. When you lose some weight, you MIGHT meet someone, like a woman. You can invite her over to cook for her. She might take pity on you and decide you are a "project". She marries your dumb ass. She cooks, cleans, shops, and possibly fucks you as well.
  You get fat again. You start to suck, she leaves. You get depressed and blow out your brains.
  Fuck it, just keep eating out.
  
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27. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by SeanBlader · 2011-09-26 10:47 · Score: 2
  
  a jug type water filter, which dramatically improves the quality of cheap vodka.
  Mythbusters tested, and busted. Sorry.
28. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by DerekLyons · 2011-09-26 10:48 · Score: 1
  
  It is just too bad, that somewhere in the past couple generations, we've lost parents that actually care about what their kids eat....than actually had at least ONE parent that knew how to cook and prepare a nutritious meal, and knew the importance of that, and at least the insistence of at least sporadic family sit down meals.
  I think you've mistaken Ozzie and Harriet for a documentary - it's not. It's fiction. Seriously, as with so much else, there never was such a golden age except in rose tinted and selective memory.
29. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by DeathElk · 2011-09-26 10:59 · Score: 1
  
  Obviously you haven't tried. Sure there may be a tiny inconvenience, but compared to the alternative of an unhealthy diet, it's a given.
30. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by DeathElk · 2011-09-26 11:05 · Score: 1
  
  Uh, you obviously don't have children. Stick some bright, colourful melodic thing in front of them and they will want it, no matter what the parents say. Back in caveman days they didn't have target markets and children oriented programming. Sure, parents should be stronger, more discipline etc etc BULL FUCKING SHIT. Stop showing this SHIT to my kids.
31. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Pi+Is+A+Rational · 2011-09-26 11:07 · Score: 0
  
  Thanks for this! It's really opening things up for me.
32. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by DeathElk · 2011-09-26 11:10 · Score: 1
  
  I call you on your highly selective research and analysis. Doritos are but one item in a mountainous tidal wave of unhealthy options that too many people are too weak to ignore.
33. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by newcastlejon · 2011-09-26 11:16 · Score: 1
  
  Worked for me, and apparently the Mythbusters' judges could tell the difference*. Perhaps you underestimate how truly bad some cheap vodkas are.
  *But then again, while at least one ranked them correctly the MB team couldn't find any chemical differences, so either judges or MBs are full of it. Or both.
  
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34. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · 2011-09-26 11:39 · Score: 1
  
  Uh, I'd hate to interrupt your diatribe on nutrition, but, the reality is, Doritos have a *lot* of nutrients. Highly processed foods are also highly nutritious. The science just doesn't add up for you.
  The problem isn't corn or fast fast food, it's over consumption of food married with low activity rates.
  Please stop your nonsense ranting. You look like an idiot.
  
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35. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by belg4mit · 2011-09-26 12:14 · Score: 1
  
  Also look into O'Reilly's "Cooking for Geeks," especially if it's a matter of culinary accumen.
  There are also some good shows that can give you ideas: America's Test Kitchen, Good Eats,
  Iron Chef America, and Chopped. The last two in particular, whille emphasizing creativity,
  are also about *speed* and taste.
  
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36. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by PeanutButterBreath · 2011-09-26 12:24 · Score: 1
  
  My work provides snack sized bags of chips (inc. Doritos, which are my favorite). Between that and chips I buy myself, I probably eat 100 snack-sized bags worth per year, mostly during my 8 hours of sitting at work.
  Yet I am not fat. Of course, this proves nothing.
  I'm not even sure what point that you are making. That high fat, high salt foods like Doritos are not unhealthy? Perhaps not, in the same way that inhaling a little water vapor is not unhealthy, but that does not mean that drowning is a made-up phenomenon.
  Doritos are but one item of junk food in the stores. What if you appleed your dubious calculation to every junk food? What would the average American's intake be? You'd probably end up wondering how anyone lives past age 35!
37. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by NevarMore · 2011-09-26 12:46 · Score: 1
  
  Stop letting your kids watch TV you don't approve of.
38. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 12:46 · Score: 0
  
  Whilst I agree with your point, your reasoning is terrible.
  There are 307M Americans, according to the US census bureau. I could rant about this being a typically American overestimation of America, but I'm going to assume that your education system is so bad that you (a presumably above intellectually average individual) are so far out when guestimating something so important.
  Although I doubt that the average American watches 8 hours TV per day, there are probably a lot of kids and geriatrics propped up in front of the screen in lieu of actual human care for much of the day that are pulling the average up. When you hear an average figure and think "that's not like me", it doesn't mean that the average is wrong, only that you are not average. Who has produced a statistic and how they have measured it are very important to how it's interpreted. For example, "better parenting" organisations (and TV networks) want to inflate that figure, so they probably count stock traders who have Bloomberg on a screen in the office and sports bar tenders (and patrons) as "watching" TV whilst there as well as all the couch time, whereas you could equally only count active, 100% focused "watching" of programmed content (i.e. not adverts) as the "amount" of TV watched per day. The two figures might be drastically different, but neither is "wrong", they are simply measurements of different things. You're doing a disservice to statisticians and pollsters who usually try to produce meaningful, useful results, and your "I don't trust "statistics" if they say I'm not average" argument is less than enlightened and actually self-denigration if you stop to think about it.
39. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by NevarMore · 2011-09-26 12:47 · Score: 1
  
  Oh and keep them off my lawn.
40. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by PCM2 · 2011-09-26 13:31 · Score: 1
  
  Or: make sure I have all the ingrediants needed for a meal, prepare it, wait for it to finish, eat it, then have to do a bunch of dishes, and then have to deal with leftovers of the same food for the next 3-4 days because its downright hard to cook for one person. Total time expense: a lot.
  I hear ya on a lot of this. I still cook because I just like to do it; it makes me feel like a human being compared to what seems like 80 percent of the rest of what I do, which involves staring at a computer screen.
  One thing that Changed My Life: I got an apartment with a dishwasher. Seriously, those things are little miracles these days, quiet and highly water/energy efficient. You waste more water doing dishes by hand, almost certainly, and it definitely takes more effort. Imagine being able to cook Thanksgiving dinner for a few friends, clear everything off the counter and tables into the dishwasher and be done with 90 percent of your clean-up in two loads, over a few bottles of wine, and your friends don't have to do anything. Everything really does come out of the dishwasher looking squeaky clean, too, way better than if you washed and dried by hand. I breathe a sigh of thanks every time I run it.
  Another thing I acquired more recently is a food processor. These aren't really the God's gift to cooks they pretend to be, but they really can be handy for stuff like chopping up onions, slicing vegetables, making hash browns, grating cheese, etc. It's not that you couldn't do all that by hand, but once you get the hang of the food processor each step is done in like 20 seconds. (It's especially good for the onions, too -- no more tears.) They're also handy for making any kind of sauces or purees, including stuff like salsa and guacamole. And a food processor is also --- and I'm being serious now -- a gadget, which if you're anything like a lot of guys I know, will encourage you to cook more often, just to play with it.
  The real hard one to overcome, though, is the waste. Many recipes can be cut in half, but even then you tend to end up with 3-4 servings. Few people I know really enjoy eating the same meal every day, and not everything freezes or even keeps well, so you end up throwing away food. And buying ingredients at the grocery store really isn't all that cheap when you're not thinking in terms of volume. Which is really more cost effective -- a $9 enchilada dinner you get at a restaurant, or the enchiladas you make at home that cost $18 and you end up throwing away a third of it? You might save a few bucks but you might not, especially if you like side dishes. I haven't really found a satisfactory way to solve this problem, unfortunately, other than to find someone to come over for dinner (which, conveniently, can have other benefits -- efficiency!).
  
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41. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by drinkypoo · 2011-09-26 15:16 · Score: 1
  
  The real hard one to overcome, though, is the waste. [...] I haven't really found a satisfactory way to solve this problem, unfortunately,
  Ziploc and Freezer. Then you can reheat stuff later. If this is really a big problem for you then you could even think about a vacuum sealer, then you can just boil food in the bag to reheat it. But if you design meals to be reused that helps too. For example, a bag of chicken breast strips. Dump in some spices and pour in a beer. BBQ 'em -- I have a gas Q so it's super quick and easy to get going. Eat them with dip or something, that's one meal. Now I make a sandwich with chicken in on day two. And maybe day three the last of it gets cut up and put on a salad, or it goes in a quesadilla.
  My waffle iron lets me flip over the plates to get a griddle on the other side that I use for quesadillas and panini (way better than those stupid sandwich machines for making grilled cheese. you could probably use a george foreman grill too, but the slope of it is a liability.) I think I'm supposed to be able to do pancakes on it but I just do them in a pan like anyone else. It's still a really fun tool to cook with, and I see them at flea markets and such pretty often.
  
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42. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by EdIII · 2011-09-26 15:25 · Score: 2
  
  Well I don't know if it is a rumor or urban legend, but old man Hormel was said to have condemned SPAM as the worst offense against humanity, second only to World War II (SPAM was invented in 1937). He wholly regretted his part in its creation.
  He said it was so bad, vile, and nasty that sending it to our troops was a mistake. We should have air dropped it on the enemy.
  If true, I highly doubt he was eating it either.
  Of course, I don't even know if that is true or not, but SPAM is some nasty looking crap in a can. Farking Hawaiians though act like it fell from Heaven. Although, I must admit that they can prepare some pretty tasty dishes with it. You just have to "suspend disbelief" as they say and forget what you are eating.
43. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Potor · 2011-09-26 16:25 · Score: 1
  
  That's complete bullshit. Everyone has time to cook.
  You just don't want to.
  And I note that every meal you mention is extremely unhealthy.
  You may not be so happy in the long run with all the time you saved.
  And you're doing it wrong if you really think cooking is more expensive.
44. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by KingTank · 2011-09-26 18:14 · Score: 1
  
  Plain Doritos? I thought those were called "corn chips".
45. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by TangoMargarine · 2011-09-26 18:31 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah I know, anecdote is not data, etc. But your rant is not gonna sit well about a dead nearly centurian.
  He commanded 100 men? I think the word you're looking for is "centenarian" :-)
  
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46. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Mindcontrolled · 2011-09-26 18:43 · Score: 1
  
  I dunno, I find that most of the things I am cooking for myself can be made for one serving without problems. As long as you can get your groceries not prepackaged, that is - at my greengrocer's and butcher's shop, I get exactly as much as I want, instead of 500g prepackaged stuff that goes to waste. Sure, there is stuff you can't just prepare for one person, like roasts, but there is enough to get you through the week with great diversity. Pasta, Thai curries, salads, any roasted or grilled meat that can be prepared by the single slice or piece - I rarely throw stuff away and I rarely eat the same dish two days in a row. And I am definitely saving money.
  
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47. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 18:57 · Score: 0
  
  When I was a kid I wanted fatty burgers because the building was bright colors too, my parents told me no. We still had them now and then, but it wasn't a staple in our diet based solely on a child's whims.
48. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 21:33 · Score: 0
  
  SPAM is nothing compared to tinned corned beef, that stuff is truly repellant. I made the mistake of thinking it was something like the corned silverside you boil yourself, but boy was I wrong. It's very popular in the pacific islands though, and I don't doubt that's part of the reason why they have very high rates of obesity.
49. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 22:09 · Score: 0
  
  Test it yourself. I have. It makes a huge difference. Sad to say, they don't know everything in the world.
  If mythbusters told you to jump off a cliff, would you?
50. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 23:04 · Score: 0
  
  I am hungry now.
  How surprising.
51. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 23:29 · Score: 0
  
  They are wrote [sic] for women. That translates into; You can be a completely clueless fucking idiot and cook stuff with their instructions.
  
  or be a Jew
  Your post is incomplete, as it lacks offending remarks about Negroes, Hispanics, Italians, and homosexuals.
52. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by vlm · 2011-09-26 23:35 · Score: 1
  
  Which grains are fit for human consumption, oh great fount of wisdom?
  Absolutely none. Its a paleo-diet fundamentalist position. That doesn't mean you should never eat them, just avoid them as much as possible. A special treat is OK, as long as you don't have "special treats" every day...
  My ancestors did not eat genetically engineered factory farmed grains for 4.5 billion years, and were pretty darn successful.
  Then, depending on the grain and famines, etc, they "recently" started shoveling down grains like water and now they all die of diabetes and liver cancer and heart disease.
  Depending on what games you wanna play, like looking at reproductive ability vs stomach anatomy vs digestive chemistry, assuming you believe in evolution instead of fundamentalist christian theology, at least 99.99% of my ancestors ate mostly fruits and veg with a modest quantity of meat (dental changes show cooking is required now, which conveniently prevents numerous digestive diseases, so I cook). I am not going to argue with tradition, probably 6 out of 7 meals I eat is something like a big salad, a modest chunk of cooked meat, and some fruit for desert. Note theres about a million ways to prepare this general class of food, from formal steakhouse dinner (minus the garlic bread) to stir fry to sunday roast to stews to last night I had a spinach salad with an ounce or two of roasted chicken with some pecans tossed on top and an assortment of veg mixed in, and about half an orange for desert (and it was a really tasty meal) ...
  The fundamentalist christian types try to tell me I must eat wheat because the bible told them to, and the farmers etc have paid the government, to tell me to eat wheat, corn, etc. Um, thanks, but no thanks.
  
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53. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by slim · 2011-09-26 23:58 · Score: 1
  
  I'm more ambivalent - no, angry - about the "staple of the geek diet" statement in the summary.
  What the hell has "geek" come to mean? Some awful stereotype of pallid fat socially inept outcasts sat in the glow of a computer screen stuffing junk food in our mouths?
  Bollocks to that.
  A geek is meant to be intelligent. Intelligence looks at the evidence and sees that eating properly makes you happier and more effective.
  Like the parent says - Doritos shouldn't be anyone's "staple".
54. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by jdavidb · 2011-09-27 01:43 · Score: 1
  
  You sound upset. I really think that maybe you would be happier if you'd turn off the news a bit more and get out and exercise or something. Take your kids.
  
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55. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by cayenne8 · 2011-09-27 02:01 · Score: 1
  
  Uh, you obviously don't have children. Stick some bright, colourful melodic thing in front of them and they will want it, no matter what the parents say. Back in caveman days they didn't have target markets and children oriented programming. Sure, parents should be stronger, more discipline etc etc BULL FUCKING SHIT. Stop showing this SHIT to my kids
  They had PLENTY of flashy, shiny ads for food and toys when I was a kid too.
  More often than not, when I saw something on tv that I wanted, my parents used this magic phrase..."No".
  Amazingly enough....that seemed to work. If I started to whine or act up...other words and actions came following that if I didn't accept the fact that they said no many times.
  Sure...you're right, if you "Stick some bright, colourful melodic thing in front of them and they will want it, no matter what the parents say"....they WILL want it.
  But that does NOT mean you have to let them have it...again, YOU are the parent...put your fucking foot down and show them who is in charge....
  
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56. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by cayenne8 · 2011-09-27 02:08 · Score: 1
  
  You should emote at Coca-Cola and Pepsico, as well as the fast food chains. Then after doing that for a couple of hundred years, worry about processed snack foods.
  My rant was targeted at 'crap' food in general. All overly processed foods and drinks that parents (for some reason) keep throwing down the throats of their offspring.
  
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57. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by cayenne8 · 2011-09-27 02:10 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry, but I and all of my Gen-X neighbors cook decent meals and sit down to supper every evening with our families. We police our children's diets, and we only scarf down a bag of Doritos once a month or so -- as a cool treat.
  From what I've observed from families I know...and the huge swath of obese kids (even elementary grades), I'd have to say you and your family are in the minority...and that is truly sad.
  Keep up the good work....!!
  
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58. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by cayenne8 · 2011-09-27 02:13 · Score: 1
  
  I think you've mistaken Ozzie and Harriet for a documentary - it's not. It's fiction. Seriously, as with so much else, there never was such a golden age except in rose tinted and selective memory.
  Funny...I remember growing up exactly the way I described. Mom cooked...when I was old enough, I learned to cook and contributed to evening meals. And yes....BOTH of my parents worked.
  This was basically how most all of my friends were raised.
  So, no, it isn't impossible.....it is quite simple to do.
  
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59. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by cayenne8 · 2011-09-27 02:15 · Score: 1
  
  Plain Doritos? I thought those were called "corn chips".
  Well, tortilla chips...Fritos are more 'corn chips'.
  But yes...when Doritos came out, they were plain corn chips...no flavors at all.
  I remember noticing sometime as a kid that they started doing flavored ones...maybe it was BBQ that was first?
  But yes...they started out as plain old tortilla chips.
  
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60. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by vlm · 2011-09-27 02:31 · Score: 1
  
  To eat junk food "day to day" as quoted, Doritos takes care of exactly one day out of the year. You still need somewhere around 300 brands for the rest of the year. There are probably less than a tenth of that, at least with any appreciable market share...
  
  (inc. Doritos, which are my favorite)
  As a fellow doritos fan, I would argue they are the most popular of "bagged junk foods" with lower market share for everything else I'm thinking you'll need more like 400 other brands to explain widespread obesity.
  
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61. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by DerekLyons · 2011-09-27 03:26 · Score: 1
  
  I think you've mistaken Ozzie and Harriet for a documentary - it's not. It's fiction. Seriously, as with so much else, there never was such a golden age except in rose tinted and selective memory.
  Funny...I remember growing up exactly the way I described. Mom cooked...when I was old enough, I learned to cook and contributed to evening meals. And yes....BOTH of my parents worked.
  Funny. That's not only not the world you described in your original post, it has nothing to do with that world.
  
  This was basically how most all of my friends were raised.
  You seem not to understand that you and your friends don't represent a significant number.
  
  So, no, it isn't impossible.....it is quite simple to do.
  Had I claimed it was impossible, you'd have a point. Since I didn't, you're just blowing more smoke. As to simplicity, the adult world always seems simple to children. Eventually you'll grow up and realize differently. (Hopefully.)
62. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by rcuhljr · 2011-09-27 03:29 · Score: 2
  
  Mythbusters tested it and found it DID improve the quality, the myth that was busted was that it would become equivalent to truly top shelf vodka, which it failed to meet. However it still had marked improvements each pass through.
63. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by AdamThor · 2011-09-27 03:34 · Score: 1
  
  I remember when doritos were closer to tortilla chips than they are now. They always had that flavor dust on them, as far as I know, but these days I'd say they're closer to cheetos (flavorless crunch substance + flavor dust) than they are to tortilla chips.
  They had nacho cheese and then they introduced the ranch flavor ones. Everyone loved the ranch ones. Jay Lenno used to sell them, before he got rich enough that he didn't have to bother.
  Then they became "Nacho Cheesier" and "Cooler Ranch". I don't pay any attention to them any more because they are gross. It probably lowered their costs somehow to make cheaper chips and obliterate their flavor signature with the dust.
  I used to wish that they still sold the old flavor intensity version, but it's probably better for me that they don't.
  
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64. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by inviolet · 2011-09-27 04:11 · Score: 1
  
  I have to agree with you, food dosn't make people fat, people make themselves fat, parents deserve the full blame for childhood obiesity, not McDonnalds, not Doritos or Count Chocula.
  When you can fully define the concept of 'choose', then you get the privilege of determining where blame lay for peoples' poor choices.
  Your final definition must take into account the internal and external incentives, self-image and cognitive dissonance, peer pressure, blood sugar levels and nutritional effects, the apparent conflict between conscious and subconscious, the apparent notion that conscious decision-making occurs AFTER the action impulses have begun, the role of the pleasure center, and the problem of living in a clockwork universe built out of quantum indeterminacy.
  Let us know when you've reached a conclusion, as it will shake the worlds of philosophy and religion right to their foundations.
  Until then, the rest of us will continue to criticize those who knowingly manufacture substances that are carefully and intentionally engineered to overwhelm the consumer's self-discipline. And this is not just Doritos... I'm looking at you, Call of Duty.
  
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65. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by inviolet · 2011-09-27 04:16 · Score: 1
  
  In summary, I agree with you that corn and corn byproducts are not good for anything but fattening up cows and pigs before slaughter, so I try to eat as little corn and corn byproducts as possible.
  And it is hardly even suitable for that. I assume you already know about the stomach acidosis that afflicts corn-fed cows; this is why they require the large and continuous doses of antibiotics. There is also an important difference in fat type between corn-fed versus grass-fed meat. Grass-fed meat is high in the kinds of fats that are (this week) considered healthy, whereas corn-fed meat, being obese, is full of saturated fat.
  
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66. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by cayenne8 · 2011-09-27 05:02 · Score: 1
  
  You know...everyone is giving 24 hours in a day.
  It is up to you to choose how you use them....and if a parent, up to you to choose how your child uses them.
  No, you can't do it all...so, you have to sacrifice to do what you think is important for yourself and your family. Is it worth it to work extra to earn more $$, or work a bit less, and spend quality time with kids and watch over them to make sure they eat correctly?
  We all have choices...
  
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67. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by mattack2 · 2011-09-27 07:02 · Score: 1
  
  Why don't *YOU* stop showing it to your kids? Hit the off button, change the channel... and/or if you mean in a store, distract their attention with a toy or, I don't know, talking to them?
68. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by PeanutButterBreath · 2011-09-27 07:25 · Score: 1
  
  If you recognize "junk foods" as most pre-packaged foods (snacks, frozen meals, canned meals) and almost all restaurant food its easy to account for caloric intake behind most obesity.
  Consider also that while a tiny bag of chips sells for a buck in a vending machine. A "Family Sized" (yeah, right) bag sells for less than 5 bucks at a convenience store or supermarket.
69. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by mattack2 · 2011-09-27 07:33 · Score: 1
  
  Half an orange?!
  (BTW, it's dessert -- two Ses for double-helpings.. heh heh.)
70. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-27 07:41 · Score: 0
  
  You know what's really easy too? Quiche.
  Now we know you're not a real man.. Cooking in general, now this??
71. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by mattack2 · 2011-09-27 07:45 · Score: 1
  
  Buy a cook book. They are wrote[sic] for women. That translates into;[sic] You can be a completely clueless fucking idiot and cook stuff with their instructions.
  Sexist much? Did you ever take an English class?
72. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by mattack2 · 2011-09-27 07:58 · Score: 1
  
  And you're doing it wrong if you really think cooking is more expensive.
  First of all, a disclaimer: Obviously most if not all of the following things I mention are bad food (way too many calories, fat, etc.).
  But come on.. Isn't macaroni and "cheese" like 89 cents/box on sale? I know things like Rice A Roni go under a buck apiece fairly frequently (since I get them once in a while).
  Also, soup. It VERY often is under $2/can (close to $1/can once in a while), even for the "fancy" soups. The ones I eat are under 400 calories, some about 300 calories per can (yes I realize a can supposedly has 2 servings in it). Actually, the light ones are like 160 calories/can (e.g. light chicken noodle). (Some of these soups, not even just the light ones, I think are vaguely healthful, at least in the calories department, compared to many of the others.)
  Even takeout food -- for dollar/value menu places, get a couple of things.. so under $4 for a pretty darn filling food. A footlong $5 subway is around $5.50 with tax... and a huge amount of food (and from the ones I pay attention to, ~800-~1200 calories.. So roughly half a day's calories.)
  Are you really beating ALL of those options in terms of price? Obviously you also have to cook too (you probably take more time doing careful shopping too).
73. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Potor · 2011-09-27 08:42 · Score: 1
  
  Don't forget the health-care costs associated with long-term processed-food eating. They more than outstrip the savings you realize in food purchases.
  Yes, depending how you source your food, obviously cooking can be more expensive. But it does not have to be - even fine cooking.
  You can make a batch of home-made tomato sauce that will last a week, and that will cost you under $2. At Whole Foods, you can buy very good meat; for instance, $8 will get you enough chicken to last (me) four meals. With a few vegetables and noodles or rice, you have a stir fry.Some tortillas, you have a burrito. Of course, all these things require pantry items, but they can be purchased in bulk and amortized over many meals. You can bake up a week's worth of cupcakes with ingredients you control, and that'll set you back - actually, I don't know how much, since they too are based on bulk ingredients you can use in many meals.
  We need to stop looking at fresh food as an expense, but rather as an investment, especially when we spend so much money on gadgets and subscriptions. Eating well - not extravagantly - is essential for health in the long run. Eating all the sodium and additives your proposed cheap diet offers strikes me as unwise.
74. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by lexsird · 2011-09-27 08:53 · Score: 1
  
  a. Only if I think it will be annoying.
  b. Many, but my mistakes give meaning to douchebags who need to feel superior.
  
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75. Re:Ambivalent feelings... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-10-05 14:44 · Score: 0
  
  Doritos is a very Healthy snacks. or not?
The architect of America's obesity epidemic by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:28 · Score: 0, Troll

This person did not do the United States any favors by creating a type of junk food. Think about how many billions of dollars in unnecessary medical costs are due directly or indirectly to his invention. You may as well give a medal to the guy that invented cigarettes.
1. Re:The architect of America's obesity epidemic by Moheeheeko · 2011-09-26 08:34 · Score: 0
  
  Sure AC, blame the food, not the lack of willpower/good parenting skills. Those damn chips just forced everyone to eat them at knifepoint.
2. Re:The architect of America's obesity epidemic by PessimysticRaven · 2011-09-26 08:38 · Score: 2
  
  This person did not do the United States any favors by creating a type of junk food. Think about how many billions of dollars in unnecessary medical costs are due directly or indirectly to his invention. You may as well give a medal to the guy that invented cigarettes.
  I'm sorry, I must have missed where it's become common place to blame the creator of something for the way it's misused by consumers who exist to, gee, I don't know, consume?
  
  Very glad I arrived late to to station so I didn't board that bandwagon before departing.
  
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3. Re:The architect of America's obesity epidemic by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:56 · Score: 0
  
  I'm sorry, I must have missed where it's become common place to blame the creator of something for the way it's misused by consumers who exist to, gee, I don't know, consume?
  I believe that started when Ms Liebeck led the charge against personal responsibility.
4. Re:The architect of America's obesity epidemic by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:11 · Score: 0
  
  Think of all the money we could save if we were to put down all the intellectually deficient children at adolescence. As an added bonus we'd not have to read posts like your in the internet.
5. Re:The architect of America's obesity epidemic by insertwackynamehere · 2011-09-26 16:36 · Score: 1
  
  Think of all the money we could save if we all lived in pods. ACTUALLY how about all the money we could save if we were dead. Plus, no more worrying about death! What's the point anyway, right? Let's bring everything back to the universal nihilistic conclusion that every single way we interact with the world is ultimately toxic but WHO CARES because we are doomed from birth to spend our entire lives slowly dying in an uncaring universe that will burn out after aeons of darkness leaving only absolute nothingness, or nothing but nothing and maybe not even that.
Really? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:30 · Score: 0

Posted at 4:20? Someone's got the munchies.
1. Re:Really? by Soilworker · 2011-09-26 08:34 · Score: 1
  
  hahah nice one, I actually laughed to this.
  Yes, I'm baked.
2. Re:Really? by ganjadude · 2011-09-26 08:40 · Score: 1
  
  damn... i missed 4 20!
  
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3. Re:Really? by somaTh · 2011-09-26 08:45 · Score: 2
  
  It's September. Maybe you should consider cutting back a bit...
  
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Created what? by frovingslosh · 2011-09-26 08:36 · Score: 1

Just what did this guy "create"? Corn chips (no)? Adding absurd flavors to an otherwise perfectly good snack (that seem to be someone else's later invention)? Or just the marketing name for his corn chip?

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1. Re:Created what? by ari_j · 2011-09-26 09:15 · Score: 2
  
  According to Wikipedia, the original flavor in 1964, and only flavor available until 1972, was Taco. Perhaps flavoring was novel at the time, but Wikipedia also points out that Doritos was the first brand of tortilla chip to be launched nationally. So I'll go with your last option: He accomplished essentially a marketing coup.
2. Re:Created what? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 10:39 · Score: 0
  
  nothing, he just copied a popular mexican recipe, and he didn't even bother to find an english name for the dish and just used a spanish word. But he did manage to sell it better than anyone else.
  
  Just what did this guy "create"? Corn chips (no)? Adding absurd flavors to an otherwise perfectly good snack (that seem to be someone else's later invention)? Or just the marketing name for his corn chip?
Intolerance by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:37 · Score: 1

When I developed an MSG intolerance, it was Doritos for which I wept.
mmmm CORN by Thud457 · 2011-09-26 08:40 · Score: 1

I'm sure Archer Daniels Midland has greater culpability.

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1. Re:mmmm CORN by blair1q · 2011-09-26 09:37 · Score: 2
  
  It's not the corn, per se. Corn is pretty good for you.
  But this corn is fried, sugared, covered in salt and chemicals, then packaged in petroleum products.
  It's like putting a slice of tomato on a Ring Ding and calling it a salad.
2. Re:mmmm CORN by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 14:03 · Score: 0
  
  dude, I am so trying that next time I light up.
I will eat a bag of Tapatio flavor in his honor by mykos · 2011-09-26 08:43 · Score: 1

These things are delicious.
1. Re:I will eat a bag of Tapatio flavor in his honor by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 10:44 · Score: 0
  
  Wait, what? When did Tapatio flavor come out? Isn't that the sort of thing the national emergency broadcast system was created for? Dammit. How many stoned nights have I spent eating plain old taco flavor? Think of the children!
2. Re:I will eat a bag of Tapatio flavor in his honor by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 15:43 · Score: 1
  
  I'm eating a bag of nacho cheese ones with hot sauce right now - RIP oh great one.
Re:Dirt over the urn? by Megahard · 2011-09-26 08:44 · Score: 1

It's not uncommon, we did this with my mother. A couple of reasons -
- If the death and burial are some distance apart, transportation is a lot easier
- You can fit an urn into a family plot between full-size plots.

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Re:Dirt over the urn? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:50 · Score: 0

- If the death and burial are some distance apart, transportation is a lot easier
- You can fit an urn into a family plot between full-size plots.
And in this specific instance, after Art West's ashes have been scattered, you can fill the urn with dip and have some chips at the wake!
Re:This one didn't eat the crap it was selling you by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:51 · Score: 0

Interesting rant.
As this American hasnt had a bag in a year (and that was one of the small snack ones). What exactly was your point? Other than to be a racist bigot? Maybe to show off how cool you are? OH I KNOW I should do exactly what you do because you just know so much better.
Three words for you. Get over yourself...
Plain Doritos: exist anymore? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:52 · Score: 1

You can't find them anywhere. You can find all these un-natural flavors, but not just a plain freaking Dorito?
1. Re:Plain Doritos: exist anymore? by smbarbour · 2011-09-26 09:16 · Score: 1
  
  The original Doritos flavor was Taco. Right now, they appear in retro packaging. I see them all the time at the local convenience store in Podunk, USA. If you are looking for unflavored Doritos... They're sold by Frito-Lay under the trade name Tostitos.
2. Re:Plain Doritos: exist anymore? by Taibhsear · 2011-09-27 05:41 · Score: 1
  
  They're called "Tostitos."
3. Re:Plain Doritos: exist anymore? by mattack2 · 2011-09-27 08:03 · Score: 1
  
  I think that "unflavored Doritos" are a lot different than Tostitos. Tostitos are much thinner and crunchier than regular tortilla chips.
  So the closest I can think of would just be to get some other brand of plain tortilla chips. Especially if you're eating them with salsa, the chip is just a salsa delivery device, so the type of chip is _mostly_ irrelevant. The cheapo big bag you can get at Costco or Smart & Final is probably the best for salsa.
  Though even Doritos do seem to have slightly different texture than other tortilla chips. Maybe they're cooked hotter or something.
Re:This one didn't eat the crap it was selling you by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:52 · Score: 0

Obviously this guy stayed away from the transfat ([partially] hydrogenated fats) MSG/ Aspartame mix he's pushing down your throats. Expect to go a bit earlier as a result of your diet, Americans.
u mad euro-bro?
Re:This one didn't eat the crap it was selling you by _0xd0ad · 2011-09-26 08:53 · Score: 1

Maybe he, you know, ate them in moderation like you're supposed to.
And Aspartame? Since when is there Aspartame in Doritos?
Introducing ash-flavored chips... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 08:56 · Score: 0

Coming soon... Ashy Doritos!!! Now with more bone flavor...
Real cause of death by MoldySpore · 2011-09-26 08:58 · Score: 1

The real cause of death was that he found an old Dorito 3D chip behind his couch and, like all Dorito's 3D's, it cut the crap out of his mouth and throat and he bled to death.

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Mummification by Ukab+the+Great · 2011-09-26 09:01 · Score: 3, Funny

Are the Dorito's he's buried in merely symbolic, or do they also perform some sort of preservative function as well?
1. Re:Mummification by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 11:46 · Score: 0
  
  They're decoys for the worms. Unfortunately, the worms have seen it all before, and they'll go straight for the powdered meat anyway.
Re:This one didn't eat the crap it was selling you by gd23ka · 2011-09-26 09:09 · Score: 1

How does the racism card even apply here?
Re:This one didn't eat the crap it was selling you by gd23ka · 2011-09-26 09:10 · Score: 1

:-) it's nowadays even found in fertilizer, just so you know why those grapes taste so damm good
It's all about the Pentiums, what? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:10 · Score: 0

You've gotta be the dumbest newbie I've ever seen
You've got white-out all over your screen
You think your Commodore 64 is really neato
What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?
Bane of Keyboards by ari_j · 2011-09-26 09:11 · Score: 1

Let's just go ahead and blame a Doritos-brand chip being stuck in the submitter's keyboard (and the editor's spell-checker) that caused Mr. Arch West's name to be misspelled in the story.
1. Re:Bane of Keyboards by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 10:41 · Score: 0
  
  I was just about to point that out. A rudimentry check of wikipedia would have cleared this up... or even READING TF STORY. Hell, the URL for the story even has his name spelled correctly.
He must not have consumed... by capitaladot · 2011-09-26 09:12 · Score: 1

... much of his own creation.
Bigtime Supporter of Organic Food/Fresh Local Food by hackus · 2011-09-26 09:12 · Score: 1

However, when watching old Trek Reruns on You Tube, I lose all sense of pride and down a bag of the damn things.
Most unfortunate.
I also get the Doritos Angst sometimes while coding or looking at SVN bug report filings.
Good Heavens!
God help me.
-Hack
PS: On top of that, every Doritos bag is 100% GMO corn too, so I realy hate myself afterwards eating that crap.

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Price question by Tasha26 · 2011-09-26 09:15 · Score: 1

How much do you pay for those overpriced tortillas in the US? (in the UK it's about $3 for 250g. A multibuy deal price brings it down to $2.30)
1. Re:Price question by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:57 · Score: 0
  
  I wish I had a bag on hand to check the weight; whatever the standard size here (US) is typically costs $4 when not on sale, although it's not unusual to see them for effectively half of that if you wait for a good sale.
2. Re:Price question by Tasha26 · 2011-09-26 12:11 · Score: 1
  
  They say rise in comodity prices is why inflation is so high... they don't know how hard geeks are being hit, esp. those living on a steady diet of coke, pizza and crisps. Pringles (165g) cost $3.12 in the UK (or $1.50 on special deals). Shocking!! F.U. Procter & Gamble, I'm heading for the Pizza Hut salad bar.
3. Re:Price question by Your.Master · 2011-09-27 06:29 · Score: 1
  
  I looked at one website for the US, Safeway.
  It lists the 11.5oz bag (326 g) at $4.79, which works out to $3.67 for 250 g. This is before any sales tax that may be applicable. If it cost $4 that would workj out to $3.07 for 250g. I believe the 11.5oz bag is "standard" in the US.
4. Re:Price question by mattack2 · 2011-09-27 08:08 · Score: 1
  
  That may be the "regular" price, but the "regular" sized bag, which yeah, has shrunk to 11.5 oz I guess, is fairly frequently on sale for about $2/bag. (Usually buy 1 get 1 free.. Though I seem to remember locally the regular price is $4.29.) Sometimes they're even less than that in price.
5. Re:Price question by SkimTony · 2011-09-27 08:12 · Score: 1
  
  I'm heading for the Pizza Hut salad bar.
  There is something wrong with that statement. I can't quite say what it is, but there is definitely something wrong...
Re:Dirt over the urn? by pixelpusher220 · 2011-09-26 09:27 · Score: 1

golf-clap...kudos to you sir for going where only 1 man had gone before

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College lunch in 1976 by Rick+Richardson · 2011-09-26 09:35 · Score: 1

R.I.P. College lunch: Doritos and a quart of Miller beer.
tata by trb · 2011-09-26 09:35 · Score: 3, Insightful

Good-night, salty prince.
Get the natural version by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 09:44 · Score: 0

Just go to your local nature/health market and look for something that resembles doritos. I guarantee they will have something that will substitute, without a single artificial ingredient.
1. Re:Get the natural version by drinkypoo · 2011-09-26 15:09 · Score: 1
  
  Just go to your local nature/health market and look for something that resembles doritos. I guarantee they will have something that will substitute, without a single artificial ingredient.
  As a former Doritos addict (or maybe it's like alcoholism and I'll always be an addict, just not one that consumes Doritos) I can tell you that nothing will substitute.
  
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2. Re:Get the natural version by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-27 08:44 · Score: 0
  
  Just go to your local nature/health market and look for something that resembles doritos. I guarantee they will have something that will substitute, without a single artificial ingredient.
  ...and like 4 times as expensive.
Re:Dirt over the urn? by MarkGriz · 2011-09-26 09:53 · Score: 2

And in this specific instance, after Art West's ashes have been scattered, you can fill the urn with dip and have some chips at the wake!
Just don't double dip. That's disgusting

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Taco Flavor Forever by dosun88888 · 2011-09-26 09:57 · Score: 1

I just bought a couple bags of Taco Flavor (the original) in their original-design packaging (think Pepsi Throwback for Doritos if you haven't seen these).
Then I got back to my hotel and read this.
I'll dump a bag out on the floor in his honor.
1. Re:Taco Flavor Forever by DeathElk · 2011-09-26 11:47 · Score: 1
  
  I'll dump a bag out on the floor in his honor.
  Is that before or after you've eaten them?
Re:Bigtime Supporter of Organic Food/Fresh Local F by Jonner · 2011-09-26 09:58 · Score: 1

PS: On top of that, every Doritos bag is 100% GMO corn too, so I realy hate myself afterwards eating that crap.
Yeah, engineering is bad. People never should have modified food crops. Look how far cows have come eating unmodified grass!
Aw, man... by Quiet_Desperation · 2011-09-26 10:05 · Score: 1

I will observe a moment of silence and enjoy a "big grab" bag tonight in his honor.
You think I'm kidding.
So long... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 10:08 · Score: 0

and thanks for all the chips.
3D Doritos: charging for air. by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 10:41 · Score: 0

What an ingenious product. Create an air filled shell of air, and sell it. Genius!
Texas tang by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 11:37 · Score: 0

I so miss that flavour, I remember the day I was in the corner store and the delivery guy was removing all the texas tang from the shelf. Sad day :(
Hear that? by VJmes · 2011-09-26 12:01 · Score: 1

That's the sound of a million stoners, mourning the loss of the man who invented their favourite munchies.
What a downer by joebagodonuts · 2011-09-26 12:28 · Score: 1

Stoners everywhere are bummed.

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Disturbing Epitaph by Alien+Being · 2011-09-26 12:31 · Score: 1

It's people. Nacho Cheese is made out of people.
I remember them from the mid 60's by p51d007 · 2011-09-26 13:31 · Score: 1

I was around 6 or 7 when I first crunched on the taco flavored ones, 10 cents per bag.
RIP dude by mr_bigmouth_502 · 2011-09-26 13:53 · Score: 1

Doritos are one of the greatest snackfoods ever invented. The funny thing is, I was just eating some as I read this.
So long... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 14:59 · Score: 0

So long and thanks for all the chips.
23 flavors?! by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 15:01 · Score: 0

At first i was shocked, because I could only think of 4 flavors, tops. So i looked up what those flavors were, and they're way off. There's been 102!!
http://nowthatsnifty.blogspot.com/2011/04/102-doritos-flavors-from-around-world.html
our source for story by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-26 17:45 · Score: 0

I know the story is true, my concern is that International Business Times is essentially a phony news source. Their articles are like blog posts at times. they seem to have snuck into the google news aggregator very well. I believe sooner or later someone will notice they are a poor source and out them, in the meantime they keep on getting cited everywhere, thus creating a cycle of illusory reliability.
And venison by Quila · 2011-09-27 01:53 · Score: 1

Slow cooker makes the best venison, aside from deer jerky and grilled tenderloin steaks.
You can also make a pretty good facsimile of kalua pork in a slow cooker, and it's a lot easier than digging a pit in the back yard.
What makes them taste good is MSG, folks! by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-27 01:59 · Score: 0

> But then again...I guess I can't put the blame on this guy....hey, they taste good.
They have 23 varieties of Doritos chips.
22 of the 23 are rich in Monosodium Glutamate (MSG). That's what makes them taste so good.
MSG is tasty. I don't think MSG is evil, however just like artificial sweeteners that trick our taste buds to thinking we are getting calories, MSG kind of tricks our taste sensors and making our bodies go yeah this is real hearty healthy food with protein and nutrition. Why? Because protein-rich foods are high in Glutamic acid, which provides the Umami flavor. And umami is nice. and MSG is just glutamic acid but with no inherent nutrition or protein.
so, we taste MSG and then we think, mmmmmm, body wants to hoard this (faux) nutrition.... I think I will have 7 pounds of these and just keep eating more and more and more.
Only the special variety that I've NEVER bought --- the one that is Kosher and Milk/Casein free and additive free... --- doesn't have MSG. You can identify that one on this page as the one with the all the icons indicating its specialness.
If i'm gonna have doritos, i want MSG and weird orange color.
But it's important to watch how much consumed in one sitting, because the MSG makes us want to keep eating them, and high amounts of carbs, fat, and salt aren't great for ya. For me, it's the carbs reduction that is helping me lose weight.
According to this site, 49 grams of doritos is 13 grams fat and 28 grams non-fiber carbs. And a 14.5 oz bag of chips is 411 grams.
So multiply by 8 and the bag is 104 grams fat and 224 grams carbs!!!
Capitalistic spirit? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-27 03:57 · Score: 0

Why does the guy that steals someone else's idea and then mainstreams it considered "the inventor"?
Re:I'll dump a bag out on the floor by DocSavage64109 · 2011-09-27 06:22 · Score: 1

That somehow reminds me of this video (Feeding chips to a car's subwoofer).
Re:Bigtime Supporter of Organic Food/Fresh Local F by SkimTony · 2011-09-27 08:08 · Score: 1

Engineering isn't bad per se, it's just the unintended consequences of modifying food crops when we don't really understand the entire nutrition process.