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Ask Slashdot: Advice For Using a Cell Phone In China?

First time accepted submitter Oyjord writes "I am going to China in March, and I was curious what kind of cell phone hardware and plans American travelers use while there. I honestly don't like cell phones (and I currently use the Drug Dealer Throwaway Special Du Jour) but I thought I'd look into one with a good data plan, so I could perhaps take pics and upload them on the spot, and perhaps use the phone's internal GPS as opposed to taking my Garmin along, etc." (Note: it would be great if you include in your answers some idea about their currency — if you're in China right now, say, or if you were there more than a year ago.)

149 comments

  1. More details, please by dtmos · · Score: 2

    How long are you staying? Where in China will you be? Differences matter.

    1. Re:More details, please by optimism · · Score: 1

      Also: How much do you care about the quality of your photos? And how do you want to use your GPS?

      I agree with the posts below that suggest a cheap pre-pay phone for calls. Last phone I bought in Asia was an indestructible little Nokia, cost about $20 plus another $20 for more minutes than I could use in a month. It was also a good flashlight...double-click the asterisk button to turn on a high-power LED at the top of the phone.

      If you are traveling in both urban and rural areas, wi-fi hotspots will be faster, more flexible, and more reliable than cell data coverage.

      The question is really, what should you bring for your camera, photo editing, and GPS needs.

      Personally I bring a dedicated camera, a very small laptop, and an iphone. The iphone by itself (or another high-end smartphone with the right apps) can serve as your camera, gps logger, gps navigator, photo editor, and wi-fi emailer/uploader.

      A laptop is more flexible and IMO easier for photo editing, typing, and emailing. But it depends on how much you want to carry, and how much editing you want to do. If you're just sending some occasional low-res, low-quality pix to stay connected with people, a wifi smartphone will do just fine.

    2. Re:More details, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't say things like Mao was a homo, or was a fucking tyrant with a small dick, or that the entire communist party central committee are a bunch of murders and scumbags while you are talking on your cell phone. Well at least not until you clear China's airspace on the way home.

    3. Re:More details, please by mikeraz · · Score: 1

      I have the same question as the OP, but I'm going to Beijing for a week in late October

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  2. Asia by tech4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the same like everywhere in Asia. You walk to mall, nearest street store or market and buy a sim card. Usually they also offer cheap unlimited plans for internet. If you need more time, you just buy refill card. If you need a phone, those can be bought from malls and markets really cheaply too.

    1. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its ironic that there is far more competition in China for cellular service than here in the USA. The FCC has been reduced to a bully of the oligopolies.

    2. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What he said. Seriously. SIMs and phones are so cheap in Asia that they're practically disposable. China Mobile with unlimited data and more minutes than you can shake a stick at will run you about $8/month and the SIM's thrown in for free.

    3. Re:Asia by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 1

      It's the same like everywhere in Asia. You walk to mall, nearest street store or market and buy a sim card. Usually they also offer cheap unlimited plans for internet. If you need more time, you just buy refill card. If you need a phone, those can be bought from malls and markets really cheaply too.

      I wouldn't advise to do that, just get your own phone with you and it will probably work ok (90%). cheap phones bought there on the markets are usually rip-offs from original phones, avoid their dual sim card versions. it will make your phone battery dry in a moment. Also watch for roaming fees when travelling from one province to another.

    4. Re:Asia by tech4 · · Score: 2

      Own phone if it works, of course. That's why I said if he needs one. They're so cheap at the markets that I usually buy one to take with me if I plan to get really drunk. That way I don't lose my actual phone :-)

    5. Re:Asia by galaad2 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't advise to do that, just get your own phone with you and it will probably work ok (90%).

      huh?

      why wouldn't you advise buying a simple sim card? roaming access is usually expensive as hell, and bank-breaking if used for long lengths of time.

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    6. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. This right here is genius personified.

    7. Re:Asia by Joshua+Fan · · Score: 1

      Many of those stores also offer a cheap unlocking service for your own phone. As long as you have a SIM-based world phone, you will have no problem.

    8. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't advise to do that, just get your own phone with you and it will probably work ok (90%).

      huh?

      why wouldn't you advise buying a simple sim card? roaming access is usually expensive as hell, and bank-breaking if used for long lengths of time.

      It is extremely difficult to talk to the cell towers using a simple sim card without inserting it into a communications device.

      Very few people are able to speak in modulated radio frequencies.

    9. Re:Asia by SloWave · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Just buy a SIM card from one of the small shops located almost anywhere. Don't buy it from the malls directly across from the border crossings however. You will get ripped off if you do so. Phones are pretty cheap also if bought from the shops selling SIM cards.

    10. Re:Asia by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      if I plan to get really drunk. That way I don't lose my actual phone :-)

      Yeah, but that's not what your marketing department expects you to do... they actually want you to lose your actual phone. Or how else would the papers be able to write about it?

    11. Re:Asia by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      It's the same like everywhere in Asia. You walk to mall, nearest street store or market and buy a sim card.

      Not so easy in India. Legally, you can only buy a SIM card if you can prove residence. Some carriers have even de-activated SIM cards of people who have moved and not updated the records. Not all stores are so picky about the law, but it may take some legwork to find such a store.

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    12. Re:Asia by moonbender · · Score: 3

      How much competition is there? I thought China Mobila is dominating the market, and according to Wikipedia, there are just three mobile phone operators, all of them state-owned.

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    13. Re:Asia by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      This person is right. I have family members that spend a quarter of the year in china, and that is what they do. Buy a sim card, put in in their preferred phone, and carry on with life. If you are worried about people in the states being able to call you, I can't say much for international phone cards and whatnot, they are pretty unreliable as far as I've seen. We've taken to using skype to call into china, which works far better, and is not particularly expensive.

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    14. Re:Asia by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      bit thats India. OP is asking about China.

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    15. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk about cheap ripoffs as though that's a bad thing. wtf? Phone hardware is one place where the market really does need a "race to the bottom" for the users to ever win.

    16. Re:Asia by tgd · · Score: 1

      Can you provide the companies in China that do so?

      I'm there all the time, and neither me nor any of my coworkers in China have ever found any providers in the country that do prepaid SIM cards with any data plans, much less unlimited.

      (Unlimited plans, as far as I can tell, don't exist in China -- so if you could name the company that is doing that, that'd be great, too!)

    17. Re:Asia by mellon · · Score: 1

      Of course, once your phone has been unlocked in this way, you probably don't want to type any passwords into it. Better to arrive with a phone that wasn't locked to begin with. Or buy an iPhone at the Apple Store (they sell them unlocked).

    18. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least in Hong Kong China Mobile is offering unlimited data plans with prepaid (relatively cheap).

      this is not China mobile but one of the other carriers:
      http://one2free.hkcsl.com/jsp/prepaid_sim_card/mobile_broadband_prepaid_sim/card_features/card_features.jsp

      or another one:
      http://www.three.com.hk/website/appmanager/three/home?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=P200470391219567710594&lang=eng&pageid=615001

      On topic:
      As advised earlier: just buy a phone (if you don't care about quality you can even buy a fake brand phone) and sim card while you are in China. If you go for a smart phone you can use Voip to call the US.

      Please note that in Mainland China you have the great firewall of china which prevents you from accessing ie youtube, twitter and facebook.

      According to these sites does China Mobile offer unlimited prepaid plans:
      http://www.86callchina.com/gprs-cdma-data-cards.htm & http://www.3gsolutions.com.cn/page/simcard/
      I would not buy it from those site but wait until you are in China and buy it there.

    19. Re:Asia by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      I rented one in Japan for a 2 week trip, but in China obviously simpler and cheaper to buy. Here's an idea - buy a knockoff iphone, use it, then bring it back and post pics.

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    20. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really ironic that USA celluar service is really behind other part of the world like Japan, Korea, Singapore, and so on...
      and when talking about competition USA is really behind most europe country and asia country.

      for example, in Indonesia
      on-net call (same celular services) were as cheap as US$ 0.005 / minute (half us cents). and this on prepaid with no minimum top-up per months, so you can spend only US$ 1 / month and talk around 200 minutes.
      SMS is as cheap as 5 cents / 10,000 sms (just send 1 SMS for 5 cents, and the next 9,999 sms is free)
      and data package as cheap as US$ 1.4/month for 120MB, US$ 3/month for 500MB, US$ 10/month for 5GB.
      (btw, 70% of Indonesian spend less than US$ 3/month on montly phone bill)
      So,
      competition....
      america is really behind...

    21. Re:Asia by Cyberblah · · Score: 1

      Also, you pick your phone number out of a list, to make sure you don't get an unlucky one.

    22. Re:Asia by Jaster82 · · Score: 1

      I was just in Beijing for a month in July and my China Mobile SIM cost about 30 RMB (about $5 USD). I loaded it with 100 RMB initially (about $16 USD) which essentially lasted my entire month. Minutes are ridiculously cheap. Contrary to what people are saying here, data plans are actually fairly expensive with 1GB costing around $10 USD... I opted out of a data plan while I was there because it really was exorbitantly priced.

    23. Re:Asia by icebraining · · Score: 1

      But parent was replying to a post which said "it's the same like everywhere in Asia".

    24. Re:Asia by JonySuede · · Score: 2

      Communist !

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    25. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because it is well known that if you leave your cell phone alone for even a minute in china you might as well throw it out as it ha likely been tampered with and will be a walking wiretap.

    26. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In America Asia means 'the place where the people look chinese to me'.

      In the UK Asia means 'the place where the people look indian to me'

    27. Re:Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I moved from NY to Shanghai 6 months ago. There are two companies, China Unicom and China Mobile. China Unicom has the fastest 3g, if you're going to be using any significant amounts of bandwidth, go with Unicom. The parent is right, just make sure you have a GSM phone (which one is a separate topic), then go to any newspaper stand and say 'kaaaa' which means card, and they'll sell you a sim card with money on it.

    28. Re:Asia by tapspace · · Score: 1

      What he said. Seriously. SIMs and phones are so cheap in Asia that they're practically disposable. China Mobile with unlimited data and more minutes than you can shake a stick at will run you about $8/month and the SIM's thrown in for free.

      Really? My China Mobile data only covers the first 100MB (mind you it costs $2.50 for the month with 100 free SMS messages thrown in) and I couldn't figure out how to get a more unlimited plan than that (however, my Chinese is extremely rudimentary).

  3. Same info for Zambia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i can ditto the same questions for Zambia, where I'll be going in March. I doubt that my CDMA phone will be of much use.

    1. Re:Same info for Zambia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Africa is much more expensive than Asia. Still, the principle is the same. We had a local SIM for calls. Make sure to check the area coverage of each provider before going to Zambia - there are quite some differences. For data it might be cheaper overall to pay the roaming fees, depending on your bandwidth usage.
      Concerning WIFI, it really depends where you stay. If you go standard or upper class hotels good luck with that. If you spend your nights in backpacker hostels, you will have at least a connection, however a rather slow one. Even if you dont stay there you can always just walk into the bar of a hostel, have some beers and ask nicely for the internet. There is no use in war-walking the streets, at least there was not in Livingstone last year.
      Check the coast to coast guide book for addresses and information on southern Africa, there might also be some information on mobiles phones (but do not follow their 'you can drink the tab water' advice).

    2. Re:Same info for Zambia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry to reply on own - we had standard 800/1900 MHz dual band GSM phones, no idea about CDMA (wikipedia FTW)

  4. Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by wiggles · · Score: 1

    I thought I heard somewhere that the Chinese have been using exploits in foreign cell phones that install espionage applications (wire tapping) on cell phones when those phones are connected to Chinese towers. Does anyone know anything about this?

    1. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by chronoglass · · Score: 0

      for the most part as long as you keep in mind that nothing given is ever free.. you should be fine.
      if rooted, change that default password
      if jailbroken.. change that password
      if you see an app you like, pay for it with money, or personal information.. your choice.

    2. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The situation is absolutely real, and eerily common. It's not only about what they do to their own people within PRC borders, but it's far, far from unheard of with designed-and-produced-in-PRC telecom equipment that are sold abroad. I would personally never, ever buy or use a telecom or networking product stemming from a PRC-based company.

    3. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by Zedrick · · Score: 2

      I've heard that the Dutch wear clogs, the French eat snails, the Iris are drunk all the time, Swedish girls sleep with everyone, the Japanese likes schoolgirls and the Americans are very fat. Does anyone know anything about this?

      (sorry, your question is kind of interesting, I just couldn't resist. "The Chinese" are not the same as some individuals or some organisation based in China who might or might not have done something at some point.)

    4. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by gaelfx · · Score: 1

      I know that it's a total conspiracy theory and totally not worth believing. If they were going to install rootkits, they would do it at the factories where they make all the phones that everyone everywhere uses already, that way they can spy on all the people who don't come to China because they don't want the rootkits from the Chinese cell towers too.

    5. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      I've heard that the Dutch wear clogs

      Some of them still do. Mostly farmers these days though.

      the French eat snails

      With garlic butter, yep.

      the Iris are drunk all the time

      Isn't that a part of your eye?

      Swedish girls sleep with everyone

      No idea.

      the Japanese likes schoolgirls

      No idea.

      Americans are very fat.

      What most of the world considers 'fat' americans consider normal. I've seen a lot of crazy fat Americans.

    6. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by sousoux · · Score: 1

      They don't need any exploits. The calls are not encrypted inside their networks.

    7. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by wiggles · · Score: 1

      I almost wish that were true, so someone could shut him up in PMITA prison.

    8. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by wiggles · · Score: 1

      I should probably amend my post to 'Chinese government' or PLA.

    9. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      I would personally never, ever buy or use a telecom or networking product stemming from a PRC-based company.

      You mean like Foxconn?

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    10. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foxconn manufacture parts of, and assemble f.e. Apple's products, they don't design/create them. There is a distinct difference here: a smartphone by f.e. the chinese company ZTE is a genuinely chinese telecom product - designed and produced by a chinese company - whereas a smartphone designed and produced by f.e. Apple or LG, but manufactured and assembled by Foxconn, is not a chinese telecom product in that sense. So, no, I would not have problems buying an iPhone or any other smartphone created by a non-chinese company, regardless if it was assembled in china or not.

    11. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by Saphati · · Score: 1

      The Dutch do wear clogs!!!

    12. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The Japanese sure do like schoolgirls! I don't know if Swedish girls sleep with anyone, but I would advise against having sex with Swedish women, could land you in a lot of legal trouble...

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    13. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I've heard that the Dutch wear clogs, the French eat snails, the Iris are drunk all the time, Swedish girls sleep with everyone, the Japanese likes schoolgirls and the Americans are very fat. Does anyone know anything about this?

      (sorry, your question is kind of interesting, I just couldn't resist. "The Chinese" are not the same as some individuals or some organisation based in China who might or might not have done something at some point.)

      Presumably, if you see a post saying something like "the Americans have the death penalty", you'll produce a similar response?

      Yes, the context of the OP was very clearly the Chinese government (though it's true he didn't bother to identify which bureau in the Chinese government he was talking about).

      That said, some Dutch do wear clogs, the French do eat snails, the Iris[h] are drunk all the time (except when they're fighting - they're only drunk some of the time when they fight), etc, etc, etc...

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    14. Re:Chinese rootkits on cell phones? by Zedrick · · Score: 1

      > Presumably, if you see a post saying something like
      > "the Americans have the death penalty", you'll produce
      > a similar response?

      Yes? That would be just as silly, since the USA consists of several very diffent states. Some civilized, some controlled by the Taliban. Most people know this, those who don't should be mocked.

      > Yes, the context of the OP was very clearly the
      > Chinese government

      No it wasn't. That's the point. But I know what you're saying, [perhaps] from your perspective perhaps the PRC is the Origin of All Evil, and then it would be natural to assume that the OP was talking about the PRC government, and not the Chinese. However, not everybody thinks that the PRC are responsible for everything that's bad in the world (just a significant percentage of it).

      > the Iris[h] are drunk all the time

      They are. I lived in Dublin for 3 very long years, I know.

  5. Advice for using a cell phone in China by MrSavage · · Score: 1

    Don't text dirty jokes in China or send any "Weinergate" type of photos. They tend to frown on that. RANG RANG on the WANG WANG! Hey, the question asked for advice on "using" a cell phone in China, not buying one.

  6. Free wifi by lammy · · Score: 1

    In case you don't end up with a decent data plan, free open wifi is available in branches of the Chinese fast food chain Dico's (http://www.dicos.com.cn/) - there are over 1000 of them across China. Also, think about what service you're planning to upload photos to and check it's not listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China

  7. Xiaomi Phone by manekineko2 · · Score: 2

    So it sounds like you're looking to buy a smartphone.

    In that case, arguably one of the best smartphones on the market, and also one of the cheapest without a contract, is the Xiaomi phone, released by a Chinese startup. It's only sold in China, but it is pretty much the geekiest Android phone around. Given that it's hard to get outside of China, I wouldn't be surprised if you could re-sell it and recoup most or all of its cost when you get back to America.
    http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/xiaomi-phone-review/

    1. Re:Xiaomi Phone by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      If you are using a smartphone get a blackberry with a bis account so you don't get rootkitted, android and ios are insecure against a determined attacker and webos is unproven and I don't know if you can get a webos phone with the right radios

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    2. Re:Xiaomi Phone by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      Sorry BES not BIS

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    3. Re:Xiaomi Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well his stated purpose was primarily just to upload photos, and unless he's worried about getting in trouble for the content it's going to draw less attention to NOT try and use secured communication.

      With that in mind, I would strongly advise the OP to setup some fresh, temporary accounts with unique passwords for use while in China. For example, setup a new gmail (or other provider) address, don't log into your normal facebook account, stay off your banking website, etc. Try to keep as much personal information offline as possible, and when you get back change ALL your passwords.
      For photo uploading, find a hosting service or something similar which you can upload to and then transfer the images away from later, or attach them via email to an account that auto-forwards them to your "real" email.

      It's best to assume that your traffic will be sniffed, and that your passwords and login info will be compromised, and that the phone will be rooted.. even if they aren't. It's just good to practice a little bit of healthy paranoia.

  8. China Unicom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bring your iPhone or Android. If you can't get it unlocked before arriving they should be able to insert a chip between the sim and your phone that tricks the phone in to believing it is with the right carrier. This chip cost around 200RMB, and the asking price is probably 300RMB

    If you are there for a long time, you can look into getting a proper subscription, but for anything less than 6 month get China Unicom 3G prepaid (it is an orange envelope that says China Unicom and 3G)

    They have a special plan where they deduct 46RMB every month from your prepaid account (remember to keep enough money in there!) and give you 150mb as well as 50 minutes of talk. So no, you won't exactly be youtubing on the go, but it is plenty for checking maps and email and the occasional search. You can upgrade the plan, but the bigger packages mostly add minutes.

    I use my phone fairly freely for about 100RMB a month this way.

  9. Buy a 4-band GSM phone. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Buy a 4-band GSM phone. That kind of phone has the most flexibility and can be used in 219 countries. References:

    GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications)
    GSM World

    The GSM system uses different 4 bands. A phone that can use any of them is the most flexible.

    When you get where you're going, go to a marketplace and buy a SIM card. That gives you a local number. If you meet someone you want to communicate with later, you will have a local number to give him or her. If you plan to communicate with the person after you leave, don't forget to exchange email addresses, because you will use a different SIM card in a different city, usually, and have a different number.

    SIM, Subscriber Identity Module

    1. Re:Buy a 4-band GSM phone. by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Or, if you're a Sprint customer due for an upgrade, buy a Motorola Photon. It does both GSM and CDMA. Just make sure you get the SIM unlock code from Sprint before you leave, and be aware that the SIM is used ONLY for GSM identity (in theory, Sprint could have used it with a USIM card capable of operating as a CDMA R-UIM... but they didn't), so you won't be able to casually use it on any CDMA network in China (except as an expensively-roaming Sprint phone).

  10. Getting a cell phone by x6060 · · Score: 5, Informative

    DO NOT TAKE YOUR OWN AMERICAN CELL PHONE. I've had 3 colleagues have theirs either confiscated or taken to be "searched" (If it was being "searched" they got it back on their way out of the country, if it was confiscated it was gone for good.) Cellphones are dirt cheap there and so are sims with unlimited data plans and a crap ton of minutes. For 30 bucks you can usually have a decent flip phone and a month of service. Service for me was 7$ a month after that. Be careful what you browse on the internet and what you say on the phone.

    1. Re:Getting a cell phone by BenJury · · Score: 2

      Funny, exactly the same thing can be said when entering the USA.

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    2. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 3, Informative

      DO NOT TAKE YOUR OWN AMERICAN CELL PHONE. I've had 3 colleagues have theirs either confiscated or taken to be "searched" (If it was being "searched" they got it back on their way out of the country, if it was confiscated it was gone for good.)

      Cellphones are dirt cheap there and so are sims with unlimited data plans and a crap ton of minutes. For 30 bucks you can usually have a decent flip phone and a month of service. Service for me was 7$ a month after that.

      Be careful what you browse on the internet and what you say on the phone.

      I've had no problems bringing multiple cell phones in and out of China on multiple occasions (and I echo the advice of bringing an unlocked GSM phone and buying a SIM card locally). What the hell are your colleagues doing to get their phones confiscated? Just like us, _everyone_ traveling in China is carrying a phone.

      One thing you will not be able to do is hit Facebook or the Apple app store. I used a PPTP connection to work around this issue.

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    3. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. I doubt the US will ever give a device back.

    4. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are your colleagues doing to get their phones confiscated?

      Maybe fidget with their oooh sooo shiny expensive high-end geek phones in front of people who earn what you make in a day in a year and whose relatives work in sweat shops in China to make this very model they can't even dream of?

      Don't be a dick. Don't let it all hang out or be loud and obnoxious. Also, voluntary bribing (donâ(TM)t get caught and check the local practices for what's appropriate and how to approach) together with some friendliness can go a long way in not getting treated like a dick. (On the last day, I always leave a large (to them) bill of money and a thank you note in my hotel room for the cleaning person to take or give it to the person who I think is the most underpaid and under-appreciated.)

    5. Re:Getting a cell phone by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Unless you've got something to claim when going through customs, I don't know how they're getting searched. Usually my phone is turned off laying at the bottom of my carry-on bag when going through Pudong airport. I only take it for when I'm leaving the US and returning home. You never know when you need to call a cab or resolve connecting flight issues.

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    6. Re:Getting a cell phone by number17 · · Score: 1

      DO NOT TAKE YOUR OWN AMERICAN CELL PHONE. I've had 3 colleagues have theirs either confiscated or taken to be "searched"

      What the hell are your colleagues doing to get their phones confiscated?

      He didn't say who or when it was confiscated. It may have been on the way back into the US by the friendly TSA employees??

    7. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. My company has offices in several cities in China and we have a lot of employee travel to/from China and in my 4 years here, we've never had a phone confiscated, a laptop confiscated, or anything else confiscated.
      We've never had laptops taken to the secret room and copied by the Chinese authorities either.

    8. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least in Shanghai, I would not be concerned about getting hustled for your phone at airport customs.

    9. Re:Getting a cell phone by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      You can tip the cleaning lady and have it affect your customs experience?

      That's AWESOME! Why is bribery illegal?!

    10. Re:Getting a cell phone by jarkun · · Score: 1

      DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON. I am living in Shanghai, I am from america. My company has sent over 200 people from the US & the UK to Shanghai. Nobody has ever had a phone confiscated. Heck, nobody has even come close to having anything confiscated.I suspect there are some details missing from this story as to who they were, where they were going or what they were doing.

    11. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lived in China for 3 years and now I regularly travel back and forth (up to 8-10 times a year) over the last 6 years. This does not happen on any regular basis - in fact off all the people i know who travel back and forth and live here this has NEVER happened. What the hell are you friends doing?

    12. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was this by US customs or Chinese?

    13. Re:Getting a cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can Facebook/G+ with a VPN, you can also setup a china or hong kong apple app store account if you want to use app store in china, the app store doesn't require VPN and works fine, albeit anything in china is a bit slower, and typically, don't bother with 3G in China, it's absolute crap around the Jiangnan region (Shanghai, south Jiangsu province, north Zhejiang province)

  11. Crapshoot by gaelfx · · Score: 1

    To be really honest with you, it's kind of a crapshoot no matter what you choose. There are three "choices" as far as carriers here: China Mobile, China Unicom, and China Telecom. China Mobile will be a bit more expensive for things like 3G, and supposedly isn't as fast as China Unicom. China Telecom is as cheap as they come, but doesn't seem to have much in the way of extras as far as services are concerned. My suggestion is to go with China Unicom, however, if you want to be uploading pics on the spot, you better have a VPN ready, or be prepared to use a Chinese website to upload the pics to since Picasa and other foreign picture hosting services are generally blocked here. As for phones, I personally use a Huawei U8150 (which is known in the US as the T-Mobile Comet), since it is about the cheapest smartphone you can get right now (I got mine for about 700 yuan, and it came with 2 batteries). It's got Android 2.2, bluetooth and wifi, but the camera is about as crappy as they come. Other than that, it's a pretty decent phone. I will tell you that GPS doesn't really do you much good in China though, since everything is changing so constantly here that many places appear on GPS where they are no longer present in the real world. You might consider getting the cheapest possible basic phone (I found a wonderful nokia with a built-in flashlight for 189 yuan on the Chinese version of Newegg) and just get a 3g USB dongle for whatever computer I assume you will take with you. Good luck.

  12. Get a UMTS phone to use with China Unicom by King+InuYasha · · Score: 1

    There are two major operators that support using your own phone on their network: China Unicom and China Mobile. China Mobile operates a GSM network that covers the entire country, but their 3G network is TD-SCDMA, so no American phones will operate on 3G on China Mobile. However, China Unicom operates a 3G UMTS network, and all T-Mobile USA phones will work on it, and many AT&T phones will too.

    You'll want to bring with you an unlocked T-Mobile USA phone for use in China. While there are many on AT&T that do also technically support China Unicom's infrastructure, it is hit-or-miss to get them unlocked. Talking to AT&T reps to get unlock codes is like pulling teeth sometimes... Purchase a good smartphone from T-Mobile USA off contract and call them up and request the unlock code. Tell them you purchased the phone for its full price at a store to use for international travel and go from there.

    Personally, I'd recommend the T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II or the HTC Amaze 4G. Both of them support UMTS 850/AWS/1900/2100. China Unicom on the mainland uses UMTS 2100 last I checked, but they may have launched service on UMTS 850, since China Unicom in Hong Kong uses UMTS 850/2100. If that's a bit too high end for you, then the T-Mobile Motorola DEFY, T-Mobile Motorola CLIQ 2, or the T-Mobile MyTouch by LG all support UMTS 850/2100.

    1. Re:Get a UMTS phone to use with China Unicom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you can route through Hong Kong, you might want to pick up an iPhone there - they're all sold unlocked there, and there's fairly good odds you can sell it back in the US (there's demand for iPhones with no need to jailbreak after every patch).

  13. Cheap disposable by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    Unless you are there for months just get a cheap disposible prepaid one there. Multinationals have been known to bin company cell phones that have been taken to China out of paranoia that they have been altered in some way.

  14. Cheap SIMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all buy-as-you-go. When I was there purchasing 300-odd minutes was 100 yuan if memory serves. Each text counted as one. I didn't use my phone much, so maybe you would need more, but I was able to use my american phone with the Chinese SIM. However, if you actually speak any Chinese, you must get a phone while there, as your American phone (depending on how good it is) may or may not have Mandarin characters installed, and you won't be able to see any texts people send you. My phone was pretty crappy so maybe you won't have this problem. If you are going on business they may search you, but I was a student and had zero problems with my phone.

  15. Four years ago, for five days as a tourist. by Neil_Brown · · Score: 1

    I took my own smartphone - an XDA IIs - and was just very careful with my usage; I was predominantly reliant on Wi-Fi, which, I was pleasantly surprised to find, was easily available where I was visiting.

    My only quandry was whether I was required to declare the phone coming into the custom, on the form which asks about radios and cryptography. I decided not to declare it, on the grounds that, if they had wanted to include cell phones, they would have said so, since the average traveller is not going to decide that the phone fell within the description. A risk, of course, but one I felt comfortable taking.

  16. Chinese Currency by seyyah · · Score: 1

    Note: it would be great if you include in your answers some idea about their currency â" if you're in China right now, say, or if you were there more than a year ago.

    I can do this.

    I was in China more than a year ago, seven years ago to be exact. Their currency was the Chinese Yuan.

    You're welcome.

    1. Re:Chinese Currency by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      Note: it would be great if you include in your answers some idea about their currency â" if you're in China right now, say, or if you were there more than a year ago.

      I can do this.

      I was in China more than a year ago, seven years ago to be exact. Their currency was the Chinese Yuan.

      You're welcome.

      Except in Hong Kong, where it is the Hong Kong Dollar (HKD), and Macau, where it is the Macau Pataca (MOP). The Yuan, used everywhere on the mainland, is referred to as RMB on the exchanges.

      --

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    2. Re:Chinese Currency by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      I know you were being snarky, but the real answer is actually somewhat similar, since the Yuan is pegged to the dollar. The exchange rate will be the same when you go as it is now.

  17. Simple, yet different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, first.

    All cell phones sold in China are unlocked. So if you buy one there, you can use it here. If you have an unlocked cell phone from the US, it will work on the network in China, make sure you buy the right type of SIM card.

    There are a few things to keep in mind:

    1) The cell phone market in China is highly fractured. Buying phone/sim card rules vary from city to city. Generally easier to get a SIM card in a high tourist area, as they've done this before. Generally keep in mind you will need a passport to get a SIM card. The only place I didn't need one was when a 'friend' new a 'friend' who had could get me a SIM card. Also keep in mind they KEEP this information. I got a SIM card years ago, when I went back to get another one, they had my passport on file and told me I owed them 200 yuan (~ $40), cause I had not used the phone and had not kept on fees for non-use. Until I get a new passport, I probably can't get a SIM card in China anymore...

    2) Again the market is highly fractured, so a SIM card purchased in one City works in that city cheaply. However, once you leave the city, they have roaming fees, think US market circa 90s. Calling outside the city is long distance. There are a few 'plans' out there that allow you to roam China and make domestic long distance, sometimes they make sense, sometimes, they don't. Get some one who speaks the language and help you figure it out.

    GL

    1. Re:Simple, yet different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      identification is needed for prepaid SIMs almost everywhere around the world now - or, at least everywhere they have any concerns about cell-phone detonated explosives. this isn't something "abnormal".

    2. Re:Simple, yet different by Pi1grim · · Score: 1

      It is abnormal. Heck, in most European countries you can buy prepaid cards and don't have to show anything. Not like requiring a passport will protect you from a dedicated bomber.

  18. China is CDMA by grnrckt94 · · Score: 1

    China uses the same tech as Verizon, CDMA. That being said, taking a VZ phone will put a MAJOR dent in your wallet for data. Last I checked, Verizon was charging $20.00 per MEGABYTE for overseas data and $65/mo global voice package. Yes, you read that right. Pretty much all the electronics are dirt cheap over there. I'd recommend buying a throwaway phone when you get there. Since you don't have a "permanent" number now, getting an in country phone number doesn't seem like it'd be an issue.

    1. Re:China is CDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is incorrect.

    2. Re:China is CDMA by grnrckt94 · · Score: 1

      Given that I was there last week, and it is, I would know.

    3. Re:China is CDMA by danlip · · Score: 1

      A little Googling would seem to indicate that China has both CDMA and GSM. "China Telecom expects 100 million CDMA users by 2011" is the second link on a search for "cdma china". GSM coverage map shows China, but on a different frequency form the US, so you would want a 4-band phone if you are using it for both.

    4. Re:China is CDMA by dalias · · Score: 1

      This is blatantly wrong. Maybe one crappy carrier uses CDMA, but the decent carriers, especially China Mobile, use GSM.

    5. Re:China is CDMA by grnrckt94 · · Score: 1

      Like I said before, given that I was there last week, and last year, and the year before that, and I used my CDMA VZ phone, I think I would know. How can you tell me I'm wrong? JFGIA

    6. Re:China is CDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only place in asia that is completely CDMA without GSM is South Korea.

    7. Re:China is CDMA by grnrckt94 · · Score: 1

      Hey check this out from WIKI: China China announced in May 2008, that the telecoms sector was re-organized and three 3G networks would be allocated so that the largest mobile operator, China Mobile, would retain its GSM customer base. China Unicom would retain its GSM customer base but relinquish its CDMA2000 customer base, and launch 3G on the globally leading W-CDMA (UMTS) standard. The CDMA2000 customers of China Unicom would go to China Telecom, which would then launch 3G on the CDMA2000 1x EV-DO standard. This meant that China would have all three main cellular technology 3G standards in commercial use. Finally in January 2009, Ministry of industry and Information Technology of China awarded licenses of all three standards: TD-SCDMA to China Mobile, W-CDMA to China Unicom and CDMA2000 to China Telecom. The launch of 3G occurred on 1 October 2009, to coincide with the 60th Anniversary of the Founding of the People's Republic of China. By August 2011, China Telecom's 3G subscriber has exceeded 23 million [14].

    8. Re:China is CDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't use the CDMA while in China.
      The CDMA is used by China Telecom for the fix line replacement
      You need a CHINA ID card to use the CDMA

      use GSM instead
      GSM is the REAL mobile phone.

    9. Re:China is CDMA by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Not quite right. South Korea USED to be 100% CDMA, but a couple of years ago the carriers decided to skip EVDO and go with W-CDMA/UMTS instead. The result is that South Korea's cellular network is like Canada's and semi-rural Australia's -- CDMA2000 for legacy voice and 1xRTT data is available everywhere, 3G is strictly UMTS, and some new phones sold there can't do CDMA2000 at all.

    10. Re:China is CDMA by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      What happened to South Korea being high-tech? I thought only their grandparents would be using CDMA by now.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    11. Re:China is CDMA by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Actually, CDMA is 100% gone in Australia now, the carrier that used to operate it now operates UMTS and has just launched 3G.

    12. Re:China is CDMA by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Actually that should be "just launched LTE"

  19. China Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a China Mobile SIM in a train station in Guangzhou for maybe $10. I think it was $5 a month for unlimited data. Refill with cards purchased anywhere. I don't speak Chinese and it was easy to manage. I remember standing next to mud huts in rural Yunan province with a solid Edge connection on my iPhone (jailbroken and unlocked of course).

  20. iphone is different in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to use an iphone, I'm fairly sure the only company that offers 3G on the iPhone is ChinaUnicom. Normally, most people would do the standard, walk up and buy a sim card from some guy on the street for about Y100 (or Y200 for 3G) and that will probably be with China Mobile (the biggest mobile phone provider in China). But if you want the 3G to work on an iPhone, your best bet is going to an actual ChinaUnicom store and setting up a plan. You may need to show your passport. It may cost Y2-300 for the sim. Calls and data will be fairly cheap and you can usually do it prepaid, which is definitely the best option if you aren't going to be there too long.

    I'm not sure if Apple have changed this recently, to allow China Mobile to carry 3G, but if you can't find out before you get there assume they haven't. Definitely don't take the word of someone who's selling you a sim card.

    On the other hand, since you like cheap models, try waiting till you get there and getting a local Chinese brand. They've really come a long way and often offer different feature sets to what comes standard in the West. You probably want to bring a friend along who speaks the language, but I don't think there's much scope for bargaining anymore so there wont be too much to talk about.

  21. SIM cards and Data - from Ubicomp conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Ubicomp conference was recently in China, and there's a nice post about communication in general as well as specifics on SIM cards and data plans here: http://dubfuture.blogspot.com/2011/08/hints-for-travel-to-beijing-for-ubicomp.html

  22. Don't GPS's stop working in China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dunno if it applies to mobiles w/ GPS's, but I have heard that handheld GPS's are disabled (if legal at all) when in China...

    Anybody know for sure?

    1. Re:Don't GPS's stop working in China? by dcigary · · Score: 2

      According to this, it's in your best interest not to use your GPS while there...

      http://www.telecomasia.net/content/foreigners-using-gps-face-arrest-china-0

      --
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    2. Re:Don't GPS's stop working in China? by Guppy · · Score: 2

      Dunno if it applies to mobiles w/ GPS's, but I have heard that handheld GPS's are disabled (if legal at all) when in China...

      Due to a combination of paranoia and market-protectionism, uncensored maps are considered some sort of state secret and not allowed to be exported. Instead, if you buy any GPS sold outside the PRC with maps of that country, you're stuck with censored maps that have offsets and distortions introduced -- so while your unit might give you the right coordinates, you'll be looking at the wrong spot on the map.

      Supposedly there are "fixed" maps floating around for some GPS brands, but they're probably quite illegal to bring into China.

    3. Re:Don't GPS's stop working in China? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That's technically impossible unless the Chinese government is blanketing large areas with GPS jammers.

      Also it's impossible to detect the use of GPS. It's just a passive receiver like an FM radio.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    4. Re:Don't GPS's stop working in China? by rk · · Score: 1

      Also it's impossible to detect the use of GPS. It's just a passive receiver like an FM radio.

      Not true. A passive receiver still has an oscillator in it that can be detected, though it's only effective at fairly close range. Some Googling has revealed that, in the particular case of GPS receivers, a pseudorandom number generator that runs at 1.023 MHz is used and a regular AM radio might be able to detect that signal (1023 on your AM dial!). I can't personally vouch for that, but I'm intrigued enough by the prospect that I'm going to experiment with it.

  23. No plan, just wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was in China a couple weeks ago, and my approach was to take a smart phone which I kept in airplane mode the whole time and then ensure that my hotels had wifi internet access. I took pictures each day and uploaded them when I got back to the hotel. Using skype I was able to make cheap calls home as well. I didn't see any need to have cell phone connectivity while out and about, although it would have helped in one instance when meeting a local friend.

  24. Recommendations on buying phone, SIM cards, & by dalias · · Score: 2

    Really, just take any quad band GSM phone and buy a SIM card, and you should be set. If you need 3G speeds you'll probably need to check the specs of the phone and get one on the right 3G bands (US ones won't work but there are plenty of online sources for cheap Chinese phones). If you can get by in Chinese well enough to go shopping, and don't need the phone immediately on arrival, just buy one yourself once you get there. Same goes for the SIM card. I would recommend China Mobile as a carrier. They seem to have the best coverage and they're easy to recharge. China Unicom can get you better rates as of last time I was there, but they kinda suck in other ways.

    If you do want to buy your SIM before you go, I highly recommend this site: http://www.china-mobile-phones.com/ Please note I have no affiliation with them, but I have used them extensively in the past. You'll pay a good bit more than buying once you get there, but unlike the other online places to order Chinese phones/SIM cards, they don't charge you outrageous fees for airtime and make you go through them to purchase more air time at 10x markup. You simply get a normal prepaid China Mobile (or China Unicom) SIM card you can recharge yourself any way you like. They also offer online recharge for almost any China Mobile or China Unicom SIM, whether it was purchased through them or not, so you can recharge airtime for other people too. This comes in really handy when you're outside the country and the phone you need to call is "guanji".

    Finally, if you want easy call-out to call back home, http://www.didww.com/ (also no affiliation) offers Chinese DIDs (VOIP phone numbers) which you can connect to whatever SIP address you want. Otherwise, outgoing international calls can be expensive and you may (not sure if this still applies) have to register with the police to get international dialing enabled for your SIM.

  25. kiosk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've lived in China for 10 years now...

    As everyone already told you, get a cheap mobile, plugin sim card. If you would like to make international calls you'll have to apply for the right to do so, a service provider can help you with that, but it's easier to check into a hotel and use their phones or you could scout for a telephone kiosk, they can usually make international calls.

  26. TMobile and UMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In China a year ago and we used our TMobile phones over wi-fi with the UMA feature. It worked fantastic -- better call quality than we usually get from rural Texas where we live; much better quality than using UMA over wi-fi from Mexico and Costa Rica. Only real problem was remember what the time difference was. Oh and there was no additional charge from our monthly service.

  27. No big deal - unlocked GSM phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any unlocked GSM phone will do. You can pick up SIM cards literally from street vendors.

    I travel to China somewhat often and have never had trouble with border control.

    As for browsing - look up Bolt Browser. Gets past the "great firewall" (more like minor speed bump) without trouble.

  28. Advice by Stupid+Crunt · · Score: 1

    Speak only in Navaho. It worked great in WWII.

    1. Re:Advice by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, China is one step ahead of that, there were reports of Chinese linguists visiting Navajo reservations not too long ago as a hedge against that sort of thing. My thinking: Find another language China hasn't catalogued yet, Ebonics, Jive, Klingon, etc... :-p

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  29. be careful with camera gps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some cameras have their gps modules disabled inside China!

  30. Google Maps doesn't work in China by Malc · · Score: 1

    It's really annoying, but Google maps doesn't work properly in China. It's offset, and the satellite maps have a different offset amount and direction to the street maps. Photos taken with my iPhone opened in Geosetter make it very clear. Google for this, and you will find that this a problem that goes beyond Google maps and even affects other GPS products. Only those from China work. Consider this when taking such a product with you, or whether you can read Chinese and buy a local one or use a local website from your phone.

    Incidentally, I noticed a couldn't even find addresses in Shanghai yesterday using maps.google.co.uk (it appears to be working again today). My usual hotel was booked and our company travel agent's website wasn't doing a very good job of offering alternatives either. Annoying, and so typical of every experience I've had in China over the years: nothing's reliable in the way we used to in the West.

  31. Just got back from China by Lordy2001 · · Score: 1

    I just got back from a business trip to China. I carry my personal android CDMA phone in airplane mode while there and connect it to wifi hotspots in the hotel and such to check mail and what have you. I then carry an unlocked blackberry perl I bummed off of a friend in the US. The nice thing is that the phone is all in english. As soon as I checked into my hotel, I handed the concierge 100RMB and asked him to get me a sim card for the town I would be in. My traveling guide then helped me activate the sim card in the phone.

    Some things to remember:
    - Make sure the GSM phone operates on China frequencies (GSM in china is different than GSM frequencies in US)
    - Calling plans in China are typically free inward calls so set up your friends on google voice / skype so they can call you
    - The sim card I got was local only so it only worked in the town I was in, I do not know about plans that take you elsewhere
    - When you activate you will get instructions to a Chinese voip tunnel which you can use to call US for cheap. This is a much cheaper way than dialing international from your new SIM.

    Also to note in my research China Telcom which operates the national CDMA network requires a local address to sign up so I did not try to get my CDMA phone registered there so if trying this route good luck.

    - best of luck and good travels

    Also good to know all the bartenders know american for BEER but unfortunately you should probly learn the mandrin for toilet :)

  32. You are wrong by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1

    Foreign nationals just have to show their passport and hotel address to get a sim card.
    Infact, you can get one right at the airport.
    As long as you are legally in the country, no issues, however, the OP is going to China

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  33. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a cheap cell phone. You can pick them up anywhere. But the service can be really wonky as you go from city to city.

  34. Unlocked GSM phone... by rdsingh · · Score: 2

    If you have an unlocked GSM, quad band phone, you can take that with you and get someone in China buy a 50 Yuan ($10) SIM card for you from China Mobile you are good to go. If you are with carriers such as T-mobile or AT&T here in the US (others are not GSM) you can get your carrier to unlock your phone so that you can use other SIM cards in it. T-mobile helps you unlock your phone when you simply call them and tell them your purpose, even when you are within the contract period. I don't know about AT&T. I guess they do it as well. 50Yuan card will last you for a very long time calling within China. If you want to call back the US, if you buy your SIM card from China mobile, you can use a prefix code to get very economical calls to the US. The prefix code is 12593. That is, if you want to call a US number, dial 12593-001-(Area code)(Tel#). Without this number prefix, your 50Yuan card will not last more than 10minutes, if you call US.

  35. Do you really need a phone? by Chiller · · Score: 1

    I was there about 10 months ago for adoption and never used my phone once. For calling back to the U.S. we just used Skype (via VPN). We stayed in 3 cities (all major cities) and each hotel we stayed in had 'net access in the rooms, either included as part of our package or for a fairly cheap rate. All photos were taken with our digital camera and just uploaded to our laptop at the end of each day. I didn't have any need for GPS data with the photos since I knew the towns we were in and places we were visiting thanks to an itinerary. You might not have that luxury.

    I did bring my AT&T iPhone with me but left it in airplane mode the entire time. I really only used it as a wake-up alarm. I think I locked it in the room safe whenever we went out. I left it in my carry-on when flying and never had any problems with security.

  36. Don't Get an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They cost thousands (of dollars) more than they should. I would recommend buying another drug dealer special as you so eloquently named it. As for the currency, the rate is 6.9 yuan to 1 dollar. In China, the yuan spends similarly to a dollar in America. Just don't try to buy an Apple product or any sort of camera.

  37. Get a Blackberry by NotesSensei · · Score: 1

    Get yourself a Blackberry and an unlimited international data plan. When I travel there the BB (albeit connected to a BES) can access any website, Facebook works, Twitter works since all traffic is routed through the BES. You need to check with your phone provider if that is true for BIS too. Beats fiddling with VPN and stuff by length. If access to all this doesn't matter: a cheap China Mobile prepaid SIM and a Xiaomi Android --- or a Huawei Ideos (a bit slow, so that's if calls is your main app).

  38. China work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have lived in China recently, and knew many expat friends in China as well.

    Short answer: get a GSM/WCDMA smartphone that accepts SIM cards, or just buy a phone in China

    Please note that I have never heard of anyone getting their cell phone getting confiscated among my friends.

    Long answer:
    If you just want to make calls, it's simple. Get a random cheap-phone once you're there. That's the safest bet, although GSM (normal SIM-compatible) networks are provided by China Unicom and China Mobile. China Unicom in particular uses WCDMA, which is what Verizon and AT&T use for their 3G services, so your smartphone's 3G would work on that. China Telecom does NOT have WCDMA, and instead uses a proprietary (and usually recognized as not-as-good) standard known TD-SCDMA.

    Please note that smartphones are not any cheaper than in the US, for the most part, although more low-end smartphone options (with resistive touch-screens for example) exist.

    I personally brought my Sprint HTC EVO 4G, which is a CDMA (EVDO) phone. China Telecom does have CDMA with EVDO service, but you have to go through a fairly complicated process and preferably have connections to get the phone working. Several codes (AA/AAA, ESN, etc.) have to be entered manually into their system and the PRL, among other thing,s have to be updated to match the locale.

    Basically, anything is possible, but follow the advice in the short section.

  39. are you fuckin crazy dood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you want to go to China? Didn't you listen to your government mouthpiece media tell you China is a despotic autocratic regime, with absolutely no regards for human rights, paying sweatshop wages, harboring unsafe working conditions, with simmering social unrest, and beggers swarming tourists outside of airports and hotels?

    You're better off going to a country like India, which is the world's largest democracy, with the world's second fastest growing economy (I'm not sure who's first), low crime rates, prosperous (no beggers here), with fantastic infrastructures.

  40. Rental Is The Way To Go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rent a phone from http://www.cellularabroad.com - low cost and ease of use.

  41. Get a phone number for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you get your sim card, as the person at the newspaper kiosk/whatever for a number that has as many fours as possible in it (it is an unlucky number to the Chinese). You shouldn't be paying more than 50 kuai for the card (ask a Chinese friend/coworker to do this if you hate bargaining like me). The price will be lower, and China Mobile will give you 10 kuai a month for free for the first few months. Might even make some money on it.

  42. Use SKYPE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just got back from 10 days in Shanghai and I used SKYPE and my Blackberry. Both worked great.

  43. Currency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The currency is the Chinese yuan = 0.1569 US dollars.

  44. Yuan=RMB=Renminbi=Quai by ausrob · · Score: 1

    It's somewhat easy enough to grab a sim at a China Mobile store (there are heaps in the major and minor cities). The 'Yuan' (Chinese currency on the mainland) is also referred to as 'RMB', 'Renminbi' and 'quai' (depending on where you go). The lesser (sub?) denomination is called a 'jiao' or 'mao' (the latter is slang). 1 yuan = 10 jiao. There's also a third tier 'fen' where 1 jiao = 10 fen, but you usually won't get given fen (due to rounding) only banks typically give out the lowest denomination for some reason. Yuan notes come in 100, 50, 20, 10, 5 and 1 (the 1 yuan also as a coin). Jiao comes in 5 and 1 (both notes and coin form). Fen comes in coin and note form (5 fen, 1 fen).

  45. try Google.cn ! mini wireless router. bad batt's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the same problem with google maps in China... offset and very low detail for most areas.

    Then I considered switching to google china ( I think I just changed the domain from .com to .cn ? ) and the maps were aligned and had much much more detail. I was using maemo mapper on an n800 at the time which meant that I was accessing the map data directly but I would assume this would work for other methods. This was almost three years ago.

    There's also Google Hong Kong to try. Interestingly they follow the UK domain name tree: Google.com.hk

    NO WIRELESS
    One more thing... most (all?) or the hotels have wired internet.. no wireless. I assume this was to keep better track of who was on what connection? I'm sure they've solved the tracking problem and have more wireless in hotels now? ;)
    Take a mini wireless router?

    Dual Sim phone:
    Look for a dual sim capable phone - make sure it allows you to receive/make calls on both sims without manually switching over.
    Very handy when you are travelling!
    See next note about battery.

    Cheap Battery:
      If you cell phone fails to turn on after a week or so... get a real battery for it!
    They will supply you with a main and backup battery - both are crap! The phone will not be able to generate the various voltages required to run the display, radio etc without proper current - something the cheap batteries lose the capability to deliver fairly quickly and the phone will just refuse to turn on.

  46. I travel to China every year to visit family by misosoup7 · · Score: 1

    You have some options here:
    1. Get an unlocked Quad Band GSM phone. If you are on AT&T, well you're phone is probably locked. But if you had an unlocked phone, then iPhones and Blackberries definitely work everywhere in China. The vast majority of China is covered with GSM and UMTS so any phone that works on T-mobile will work in China. I have no idea why AT&T decided to use a frequency that no one else uses... The good thing about this is that the Phone is in English, and is easy to use if you are not fluent in Chinese. Once there, like so many other people have said, just by a sim card. If you have an unlocked iPhone 4 like I do, you'll also need a Sim Cutter tool (available on ebay and the likes for around 20 dollars).
    2. Buy a phone there. Some smart phones carry multiple languages in the system by default and all you have to do is get someone to help you change it to English.

    You want to note that in China, they don't have "nation-wide" calling. Calling a local number and a long-distance number makes a huge difference on the price. However, a text message to any cell phone in China is always the same price. And texting is very cheap compared to US standards, so most people will send lots of text messages.

    Also, I wanted to say that like any international traveling, you should consider using VOIP where possible. You certainly don't want to make an international call on your cell in China, it's absurdly expensive. Skype is accessible within China. The premier Instant Messaging Network in China is QQ, there is an English edition that you can get as well so chat with Family at home with. But I would recommend Skype over that since many people already have Skype in the US.

    I also want to dispel some of the rumors that people have and the fear mongering. Every time I've flown in, I've never seen anyone get their cell phones confiscated or searched. The only time this will happen is if the Chinese government has a record of you do something "disruptive of social harmony". (This means don't bad mouth the government and you'll be OK. Also "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is quite applicable here. However, it's not like there is a listen device in every room either. You should feel fairly save from unwanted invasions of privacy. As they say, the dog will bite you if you kick it.) The person saying that he had 3 colleagues who had their phones searched or confiscated probably works for a human rights organization, works for something else that China doesn't like, or did something suspicious during their entry. Most people will go through customs without any issues. (Oh there is additional scrutiny if you going to an area like Tibet or where there is currently social unrest. But for most of the big tourist spots (I'm assuming you're going for leisure since you are taking pictures and stuff) should be OK).

    Also, the rootkit issue. In order to install a rootkit, the attacker must either have physical access to your phone or get you visit a malicious link. Buying a new phone wouldn't mean there is a rootkit installed on the phone either, it's just to practical to install a rootkit on every phone. Of course if you some how managed to get the Chinese secret service to tail you, well then all bets are off ;)

  47. Why is this post modded 5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This year, I brought my Verizon cell phone, ipod, and IPad 2 into China and returned back. None of them were "searched" or confiscated. I wonder what did your colleagues do to get their stuff confiscated or "searched"?

    "DO NOT TAKE YOUR OWN AMERICAN CELL PHONE" seems to be an urban legend as none of US or China airports warn against carrying cell phones.

  48. PandaPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PandaPhone is a great service to rent a phone. Very cheap. Based in Texas. They mail you the phone or you can pick it up at your hotel and drop it off there or mail it back when you get home

  49. Tips from shangahi by jarkun · · Score: 1

    China cell phone basics:

    I recently accepted a long-term (2-year) assignment in Shanghai. As an american the basic approach to cell phone marketing is very different and could use some clarification. First of all all phones & cell plans are separate. You buy a an "unlocked" phone, then you buy a sim card. Put the card in the phone & it works. 90% of sim cards are pre-paid. Typically you put down $15 dollars (100 rmb) and you are good for a week to a month, depending on usage. The other 10% are monthly subscription plans that require a bank account in a chinese bank.

    I live in Shanghai and there are 3 major carriers:
    China Mobile: The biggest company in the world, overall very good coverage
    China Unicom: Second biggest presence in Shanghai
    China Telecom: I don't know very much about them

    If you want 3G you'll have to choose your phone/provider carefully. China Mobile uses TD-SCDMA, this is a technology developed in china and pretty much used only in china. You'll have to buy a Chinese phone to use it. China Unicom uses W-CDMA, which is widely available in the US. China telecom uses CDMA2000. My company provides China Mobile sim-cards and my iphone co-workers only get access to the edge network.

    I recommend buying an "unlocked" phone before you go to china and a sim card when you arrive. The primary reason is that unless you speak chinese you will have difficulty using the phone & any pre-installed apps. You can change the language of some (android) phones, but this doesn't cause all the app's to magically speak chinese....which can be very frustrating. I would go with an W-CDMA phone & china unicom so that you can use it when you return to the states. Both AT&T and T-Mobile off pre-paid sim-card plans for really low prices. I don't think the average american understands how much of their monthly fee goes toward the phone and how little goes to the service plan. I also recommend a smart phone. The ability to run google translate is a lifesaver.

    There is a lot of hype/talk on the net about phone prices. Don't believe it. Shanghai is a large, mature, market. the vendors sell things for a fair price. If you are getting a better price its because you aren't aware of everything you are (are not) buying. That being said taxes, import duties, etc... cause prices to be about 10-15% higher than the exact same product in the us. To shop prices try www.amazon.cn, use google-chrome for realtime translation and you can see what someone in china pays for the same product. Note chinese prices are the price, including all taxes and fee's.

    So what did I do:
    (I had a coworker that convinced me buying a phone in china was the right move....he of course spoke chinese)

    --for myself I purchased a GT-I9008L, galaxy S smart phone. I wanted data, I wanted the latest tech, my company provides me with a ChinaMobile sim card. So I went to www.amazon.cn and shopped for 3G phones. It doesn't run google market, it does run the amazon market, I'm adapting. The only complaint is the map software from the amazon market doesn't always sync to the GPS, and I have a bunch of apps I cannot use 'cause they are in chinese. As a side project I'm working on porting cyanogenmod to the phone. Unfortunately samsung locked the boot-loader. I have managed to root the phone but I have also near-bricked it 3 times trying to get the clockwork mod installed. (near-brick means I found rom's on the net and did a full factory-install of the phone 3 times to recover it)

    --for my wife: I purchased an "HTC desire", followed the FAQ on cyanogenmod to get an all-english platform, bought a sim-card with this plan and life is good.

    --what I would do if I where still in the states: I would buy the google nexus S and purchase a china unicom sim card when I arrived.

    1. Re:Tips from shangahi by jarkun · · Score: 1

      Whoops, meant to include a link to the sim-plan I purchased:

          http://www.sh.10086.cn/brand/m-zone/cost/0/6/322.html (basic voice+data)
          http://www.sh.10086.cn/whatsnew/event/qpp/0/5/50.html (unlimited calling to friends/family for $1/month, add-on)

  50. Currency and stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *Is in China now

    The yuan (CNY), also known as the Renminbi (RMB). It's all paper. Well, there are coins, but you rarely see them. They have bills for 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100 yuan, as well as 1 and 5 jiao, which are tenths of a yuan. Sometimes you see prices marked with two decimal places, but there are no hundredths of a yuan, so the second place should always be zero. So a price sticker that says 2.50 is 2 yuan 5 jiao.

    I'm assuming you're aware that many websites like Facebook and Youtube are blocked here. I use a VPN service to get around the blocks, but it's possible that using a phone with an American SIM might also work (can't confirm that, just guessing). Google Maps sometimes works, sometimes has problems. You might be better off using the Chinese version (ditu.google.com). Yahoo tends to be more reliable.

    I've never used anything but a Chinese SIM here. Well, I did try with a Taiwanese SIM once a year ago, but couldn't get service. As for phones, they're everywhere. There are six stores selling phones in the alley beside my apartment complex. Some are crap, some are the same fancy stuff you'll find everywhere else (real iPhones, HTC, Motorola, etc).

    Apparently /. doesn't support Chinese characters.

  51. 2 Phones - cheaper data. by PiSkyHi · · Score: 1

    I am living in China, I have 2 phones, 1 for voice and 1 for data. The voice one is a cheap LG throw-away I got for less than 200 kuai. The data is an N900 with a 3G SIM - the SIM is completely anonymous and cost me around 60 kuai a month for a prepaid 11-month plan - I think you can buy 3 months for less than 80 kuai a month. Those plans include 1Gb a month of data, which is all I need since I have broadband at home. Skype over 3G is possible, even video Skype with the N900. I wouldn't recommend an N900 now, but there you go.

    1. Re:2 Phones - cheaper data. by PiSkyHi · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention, the 3G data is WCDMA with a brand called "Wo" which translates to "me" from China Unicom.

  52. The phone shops will have bad prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Shanghai presently...

    Most phone shops have bad prices listed, most phones start at a price listing of 1800RMB. These phones are just garbage that the sellers want to sell for too much money. It is less but it seems that about 60% of adults here have the iphone4. In most business settings you will want an iphone4 for social status.

    When buying, you have to know how much the phones are, and then find someone that will sell you the phone at that price.
    You can get a Nokia burner for 400RMB
    A Nokia blackberry style for 700RMB
    HTC WildfireS for 1100RMB
    HTC DesireS for 2500RMB
    Iphone 4 for 5000 RMB.

    If you want 3g you have to get China Unicom. You can buy a phone number and minutes for 100RMB. It costs 60RMB a month for a 300mb plan. You will have to have a Chinese speaking person to call and setup the data plan after you get the sim card.

    Google works in China at about 50% of the time, so the smart phone aspect is really limited to apps.

    I have unicom 3g because google maps and trip advisor help you travel. Without 3g the map wont work correctly on an iphone. There are also free apps for taxis and the subway.

  53. Re:try Google.cn ! mini wireless router. bad batt' by Malc · · Score: 1

    I've bought an Airport Express several years ago for this very reason. The desks in hotels aren't always that big, and so I needed it if I wanted to sit on the bed or use two laptops. And since work got me an iPhone, I've needed it for that too. I can then use Skype on my phone from the bed. Those Airport Expresses are pretty good form factor too.

    I still have my old Samsung flip phone that weighs 83g. I just buy foreign SIM cards for that if I'm going to be somewhere for any length of time. I'm old enough that I remember how to look things up before I go out, and read a map. Barring that, there's always the Lonely Planet for find my way when I'm on foot.

  54. Beware the GPS ! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    For certain, people (Americans even, if that's relevant to you) have done hard time in Russian jails for being in the wrong place, carrying espionage equipment, i.e. a GPS.

    (Note that there is no implication that they were using the GPS, or even performing espionage of any sort. The particular case I heard of in my fiancee's home area, the guy jailed was simply using it for navigation on a self-organised walking holiday. But in that region, possession is a crime with mandatory 5 years hard labour, and that's what he got sentenced to. Though he was released to the US jail system after only a couple of years, and didn't do much hard labour, I'm told. Very lenient.)

    Be very, very sure that the areas you are going to are safe to carry a GPS in. If you're not certain, the safest thing to do is not take it. At all. Map and compass can be dangerous enough but if they are available locally, then you're reasonably safe to get them locally and use them.

    Photos on a cell phone ? Meh. Get a decent camera, unless this is going to be a trip you'll be repeating every few months. Your memories will thank you.

    Uploading your photos ... well if you're anywhere where there is adequate wireless to actually use a phone, there is going to be faster land-line available through Internet cafes or hotels. Get out there, mix with the people, keep your hand on your wallet (which you mostly emptied into the safe in the hotel, anyway) and experience the place.

    Storage ? The last holiday with the wife, we clocked up around 10GB of photos (which we still haven't pruned the dross from), around 1Gb/day for 200-300 photos/day, or an average of a photo every couple of minutes. Look at the size and weight of 8 or 16GB SD cards ... maybe consider a netbook or tablet for transferring them to a USB hard drive as a backup.

    If you're going to go to places and do things that you think might get you searched by the authorities, then you've got bigger things to worry about than your photos. Like, lead poisoning for having a GPS. Think for a second about how many airports have "no photography" signs in place ... and then think about how they might take to meeting a dangerous foreigner (that's a tautology of course, everywhere) with a camera and a GPS. (Think also about how often you've seen your local police enforcing the "no photography" zones in your home area.)

    Well, my 0.02â worth. Your mileage may vary.

    --
    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  55. Drug Dealer Phone You Say? by tapspace · · Score: 1

    You'll be right at home in China. That's pretty much the easiest way to go and it's even cheaper than at home.

  56. never heard of any systematic confiscation/search! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an expat who very frequently travels into China, I have NEVER had phones of any type (smartphone, new models, old models) checked going into China.

    Going out of China, the closest thing to being 'checked' was being asked to (one time out of dozens of flights) take the phone out of my pocket and put it on the x-ray machine conveyor, so it could be x-rayed. I do NOT consider this to be anything out of the ordinary.

    Low-end mobile phones are dirt cheap, but for smartphones, the price point is high enough where I wouldn't go around telling people to just buy a new one in China when they already have one (I am going to assume the OP already has a phone).

    To the parent poster: what were you doing where you got 'searched'??? Or maybe you're confusing your customs experience in China with the one from Newark?

  57. I'm Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think u must in China now. And u may have got a cell phone alreadly. For 24 years living in China . I think buy a cell phone must be very careful in China - for u may buy a secondhand cell phone with the new price. But if u really need a cell phone . I think the HTC is the first choose. Welcome to China . Luckly to you .!








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  58. Iphone 2G =Yes, multiband Motorola = no by Blorgo · · Score: 1

    I went there two years ago in September. I took 2 phones there, a little Motorola that works in all the USA and Europe (but as it turns out, not China) an unlocked Iphone 2g. (I left my then-new Iphone 3g at home - not unlocked, higher theft value). I kept it on my person at all times, and Customs didn't ask about it when I entered the country; it was in my pocket.

    It worked fine; I bought a 300 MB data-enabled SIM which lasted me 10 days (remember, Edge speeds). As a phone it worked fine, and when I got text messages in Chinese they were either spam, or sent to my Chinese friends from their family. I didn't try to get texts in English but I heard they work too.

    With the data plan, I could pull up Google maps, check email, etc. Google maps helps a bit for finding your way, if you know about where you are and where you want to go, but without a GPS it's only partly useful.

    I had to find a bilingual person who knew what I was talking about to make sure to get the right SIM card (with data) - mine was China Telecom. And I had to set my DNS and Edge settings correctly, I had done my homework and knew the correct settings (but the cheerful girl at the corner mobile phone stand knew the settings too, and it was the one thing in English on the SIM packaging).

    My last day there, I tried to exhaust the data plan by emailing pictures from my high-speed train ride, but failed. I used 272 MB total in 10 days - mostly email and checking mainstream US sites for news, some map lookup, etc.

    Things may have changed since then, especially around GPS and the Great Firewall of China (thus access to some US sites). If you're paranoid, set up a new Gmail account and use only it on the Iphone - assume it's compromised from day one, and don't do anything on that account you wouldn't want a lumbering but occasionally paranoid foreign communist government to know about. Commercial or personal stuff is fine, just stay away from politics.

  59. Re:Recommendations on buying phone, SIM cards, &am by dalias · · Score: 1

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