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Cloned Drug-Sniffing Dogs Prove Successful In South Korea

Rexdude writes "A prized drug-sniffing dog at Incheon Airport in South Korea was cloned four years ago, and now the clones have proven to be much more successful at becoming sniffer dogs themselves compared to regular dogs. Not as controversial as human cloning, but are we going to see genetic copyrights on prized animal breeds in the future?"

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  1. Dogs are old hat! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2
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    1. Re:Dogs are old hat! by fedos · · Score: 1

      Especially since a recent study indicates that drug sniffing dogs are susceptible to the Clever Hans problem.

    2. Re:Dogs are old hat! by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 1

      Since it's Korea, I guess this is attributable to narcotics enforcement officers all being old people.

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  2. Re:drug sniffing? by Antarius · · Score: 1

    Nah, they only sniff the drugs for leisure - recreational use. They have the Charlie Sheen gene in there somewhere.

  3. Power by Tsingi · · Score: 2

    They should use their powers for good. Give every child a clone of Lassie.

    1. Re:Power by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      Depends... is it Natalie as she appeared in V for Vendetta or as she appeared in Black Swan? Just asking...

    2. Re:Power by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      What is it with geeks and the thin 12 year old boy look?

    3. Re:Power by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      Clone Natalie Portman so every slashdotter can have one!

      I'd buy one of those.

    4. Re:Power by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I've probably eaten less than one McDonald's meal per year over my lifetime. I rarely eat fast food. I do eat a high proportion of various bachelor foods (TV dinner, ramen noodles, etc) but not much of it.

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    5. Re:Power by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      They all like Twiggy - Damn skin and bones are easier to hide (under bed/in closet). Sorry guys but I prefer some cusion for pushing, otherwise you risk bruising your nads.

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    6. Re:Power by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      As long as six packs of beer exist, I will never need a six pack on my abdomen to get women. Plus beer tastes better than exercise.

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    7. Re:Power by brianosaurus · · Score: 1

      Its math. If calories expended are greater than what you eat, you will lose weight. Track your calories and start exercising. I'll accept that there are probably some people who are genetically challenged at losing weight, just like there are people with crazy metabolisms that can't gain weight no matter how much they eat. But even if you don't get all the way to a 6-pack, you'll still feel good, have more energy, and (most importantly) be healthier.

      Difficult weight loss is still weight loss. It will just take longer to achieve the same results. Go to a gym and talk to a nutritionist. Develop a weight loss plan (you should be able to come up with a plan based on your starting weight and you goal in 1 session), then count your calories, and do moderate exercise a few times a week. Replace ramen and TV dinners with better quality food so you're getting the most out of those calories.

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    8. Re:Power by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      Marilyn Monroe was not fat.

      I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume English isn't your first language or you have some mild developmental problem.

      Monroe is hourglass but thin whereas Natalie Portman looks like a boy. Neither are fat.

      There are thin women considered attractive who are not anywhere near boyish - Naomi Campbell would be a fairly long-running example - and there are fat women who are attractive - I offer Sophie Dahl. The size is a minor issue: it's just typical geekery to take some ideal, in this case "not being fat", and take it to the extreme.

      But the major issue is looking like a 12 year old boy.

      You, like so many geeks, prefer the 12 year old boy look.

      I'm not asking you to deny it. It's just the way you are. I'm wondering why.

    9. Re:Power by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      The phrase you are looking for is Waist to Hip Ratio.

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    10. Re:Power by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      1) Barely shaped hips except perhaps in the second pic (but that could just be from her stance); small training-bra breasts. Sorry, dude, you're in some serious denial;

      2) There's a decent chance that Hazel Bergeron is a skinny male who adopts the name of a character from the usually misinterpreted book Harrison Bergeron because she epitomises the average human which hilariously angry geeks adopt the prejudice that they must be superior to;

      3) Can't disagree there.

    11. Re:Power by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      "Barely shaped hips" is meaningless drivel.

      Paper search for "waist to hip ratio". The phrase isn't only meaningful but is the subject of multiple studies on health and attractiveness. And guess what? It's visibly below 1.0 on average for healthy men but even further below that for women.

      you are likely to be slapped with a lawsuit.

      Though there's a risk of enjoying a lawsuit (lol, America) for publicly making any accusation, "in real life" simply giving someone your conclusion - that it's true in this case is irrelevant - gives no ground for legal action.

      But congratulations on showing your cards. Such a stupid remark makes it clear that you're a troll and that not even you can honestly say Natalie Portman doesn't look like a boy. Your tenacity betrays your true desires. So, back to my first question: why? What is it with geeks like you?

    12. Re:Power by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      Ah, the sound of furious backpedalling. Now it's meaningless drivel in context, which is another way of saying perfectly meaningful remark but the measurements I obtained during my wet denial dreams do not support your conclusion. But at least you're no longer stumbling on a matter of law - that a well-built human of either gender past six years of age has a WHR<<1.0 with WHR(female)<WHR(male) - and getting down to the matter of fact. Progress be praised.

      Though, Christ, I'm beginning to lose count of the number of times you've told me that you're not a pedo. At least you've perhaps finally taken the time to read my posts to see that I've not accused you once of being a pedo, nor even lusting after 12 year old boys. Is it that you've been accused of being pedo so many times that you just assume that this is what's being said? If so, would you perhaps review the evidence which causes people to jump to this conclusion?

    13. Re:Power by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      You reloaded.

      Good day, Sir.

    14. Re:Power by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      i'd prefer a Liu wen clone, this would open up a nice business niche in aqcuired superior genetic material i suppose, should we start watermarking our dna in case someone accidentaly happens to acquire it and uses it for commercial purposes ?

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  4. Not much difference by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pure-bred dogs are bred in such a small population that they were getting pretty close to being clones anyway.

    1. Re:Not much difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between inbred and cloned.

      Pure-bred dogs are inbred to the point of causing severe genetic deformities.

      We don't look at the same inbreeding in humans and say "My, that's an interesting advancement in human cloning, isn't it?"

    2. Re:Not much difference by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      We don't look at the same inbreeding in humans and say "My, that's an interesting advancement in human cloning, isn't it?"

      Why do we find foreign and mixed race women (/men) exotic?

      We are naturally attracted because we can make excellent children with them. Shake up the gene pool.

    3. Re:Not much difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      [Same 'Anonymous Coward' as before so at this point I may have to create a full account!]

      I meant 'inbreeding' as 'coming from the same family line'.
      If i had a cat and it had kittens I wouldn't think that breeding a sister and brother from that litter with eachother would produce a 'clone' of the parent cat/ brother/ sister. That would be inbreeding, no matter what the species.

      'Selective breeding' would be more in-line with what you're thinking and it a practice that works quite well. Just look at the Clydesdale horse, a testament to selective breeding.
      Strong, reliable, immediately recognizable, and purpose bred- all of them can be traced back to Scotland in the 1800s (originating in an area called Clydesdale)
      Now that really is an interesting advancement in horse breeding. But not in horse cloning.

  5. Have racehorses been cloned? by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    They are the most expensive non-Human animals right? Other than perhaps extinct animals that people want to bring back like the Saber-tooth tiger, the wooly mammoth and the Dodo (not). What about truffle finding pigs?

    Actually maybe certain transgenic animals that have had their DNA altered to express useful drugs (like goats with insulin laced milk) might be more expensive.

    Anyway, is it illegal race a cloned racehorse? Will they be requiring genetic tests on all winning racehorses? What about race horses that have already died (Seabiscuit?).

    1. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In most places they don't even allow racehorses to be bred by artificial insemination, they insist on live cover only.(*) That stops a few issues, swapping a whole stallion is harder than swapping a test-tube of semen, so it cuts down on fraud. Also, semen can be thinned and used to breed more mares, so the already rather inbred population would get even worse if everybody was breeding their mares to just a handful of top stallions. Natural breeding puts an upper limit on the number of foals you can get from one stallion. You could clone your horse if you wanted, but there's no way that horse would be allowed to be registered in the stud books, so you could never race it or breed other racehorses from it.

      What I have seen proposed is allowing a gelding to be cloned, once, so that you have a genetically identical stallion which can be used to breed from in place of the gelding. Currently racehorse owners just see dollar signs hanging between their stallions legs, even though it takes years to find out if your stallion is one of the few that will actually make any money at stud after retiring from racing. Since stallions can be violently unpredictable animals, it would make racing safer if they could all be gelded at the start, and just the few that are worthwhile cloned for breeding.

      Cloning famous past horses might be a disappointment anyway. Some of the record times those horses put in back then are routine these days. Although it would answer some questions about how much of that is improved training vs genetics.

      * - There are exceptions. The local racing board here allows an exemption for stallions who've been injured in a manner that prevents breeding naturally. The exemptions are granted on a case by case basis, and the stallion has to be excited by the mare he's going to be bred to, with the semen is transferred to the mare within 5 minutes.

    2. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by kzanol · · Score: 1

      Yes. Been done. Austrian showjumper Hugo Simon had a very successfull horse, E.T. Problem: it was a gelding which certainly made breeding the horse a challenge. Entry "E.T. Stallion", a clone of E.T wich was not used in competition, but was used for breeding. a couple of offspring of E.T. Stallion are said to be active at the moment. See http://www.cryozootech.com/index.php?m=the_horses&d=et_stallion_en&l=en

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    3. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You would prefer to see humans classified as fungus perhaps? Or maybe as a type of metamorphic rock?

    4. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      I wonder then why my fur and claws never stop growing, even when I don't use them, and why do I feel aroused when some girls passes around with a high pheromone level... Or why do I get hungry and have to take a shit every day.

      Fact is, we are animals. And much more than most care to admit. The only difference, really, is that most animals are more selective about what they eat than us.

    5. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      If that much, for some of them.

    6. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by crossmr · · Score: 1

      so you could never race it or breed other racehorses from it.

      Because what? The police would arrest you? The racing overlords would have you killed?
      What would stop anyone from setting up a competing race with their own rules?

    7. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by Inda · · Score: 1

      Pigs aren't used for finding truffles any more, they tend to eat them.

      Dogs are better at the job, and they can be trained not to eat the goods.

      And truffles can be farmed.

      Just saying :)

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    8. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yeah you could set up some kind of unlimited league where anything goes, then start setting limits when too many jockeys get killed in high-speed doped-up genetically modified horse crashes. The Formula One of the horse world.

      Meh, still boring...

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    9. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I don't know that that would be the "Formula One" of the horse world. Formula One has been sanitized and sterilized so much over the last two decades that I suspect such a horse could almost out-run a Formula One car! ;)

      F1 is about entertainment now- not the cutting edge technology and speed.

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    10. Re:Have racehorses been cloned? by Dabido · · Score: 1

      More expensive than humans in many cases.

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  6. Yes by aliquis · · Score: 1

    Stupid question. If it can be done it/allowed will be done.

  7. Labrador retriever by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 3, Informative

    No wonder, they are they smartest dogs on this planet. And really good friends. And really kids friendly.

    1. Re:Labrador retriever by NatasRevol · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And, since it is South Korea, tasty!

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    2. Re:Labrador retriever by Inda · · Score: 1

      We had a male Labrador.

      One day it decided to test its place on the ladder, and went for my mother.

      My father reasserted his authority as alpha male, by means of a neck grab and shake, and that was the end of the situation.

      Labradors are dogs; pack animals; and they play by their rules. Never underestimate a dog's potential, no matter what breed.

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    3. Re:Labrador retriever by Rogerborg · · Score: 2

      Yes, yes, $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED) is a proud, noble dog. Alert, intelligent, sociable, $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED) is a loyal companion if correctly raised. Behavioural problems with $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED) are inevitably the fault of the owner.

      Save it for Wikipedia, where thanks to gushing starry eyed defensive owners, every other breed page reads exactly like $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED)'s page.

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    4. Re:Labrador retriever by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 2

      Yes, my dog is proud, inteligent, loyal and you don't have such friend and you will never have, unless you have Nintendo DS/DSi/3DS and will get yourself and play Nintendogs.

    5. Re:Labrador retriever by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Well, my dog is gentle but very dumb. Yells a lot at passing people but strangely if we aren't around anybody can come to the house while she hides in the back of the garden. Great with kids and cats though. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a dog.

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    6. Re:Labrador retriever by Kittenman · · Score: 1
      Reminds me of the person who crossed a labrador with a curly-coated retriever. He got a lab-coat retriever and was selling the puppies to scientists.

      (Thank you - I'm here 'til Thursday)

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    7. Re:Labrador retriever by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      My brother had one that tried that dominant bullshit. I walked over and very calmly punched him in the jaw. Never had a lick of trouble from him again. Just everybody setting out the pecking order.

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  8. Of course there will by msobkow · · Score: 2

    Monsanto has already patented their GMOs. Silly to ask if somethings goign to happen when it's already done.

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    1. Re:Of course there will by sosume · · Score: 2

      Impossible, the prior art is obvious! In the case of Monsanto one could argue that the seeds have been specifically engineered. However, in this case, it is a direct clone of a naturally bred dog. You cannot get a patent on a copy?

    2. Re:Of course there will by msobkow · · Score: 1

      It would be a debatable point if you're patenting a particular expression of genes, as every non-cloned individuals genome is unique and therefore has no "prior art." Genetics are a very specific expression of something compared most modern patents.

      However, I do believe there was some discussion in the UN about banning patents on genomes, but I don't know what ever came out of those discussions. I'm sure if they did the smart thing and decided to ban patenting natural genomes that the corporate world will appeal and fire a rather large team of lawyers at the issue rather than accept that they can't own something.

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    3. Re:Of course there will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or just de-naturalise the genome.

      1. Take prize-winning animal.

      2. Take sample cell.

      3. Make some small but patentable modification. Doesn't have to do much.

      4. Incinerate original animal, to make sure the competition can't get their hands on it.

      5. Start mass-cloneing your slightly modified and thus patent-protected genome.

  9. Re:Questionable at best. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    I mean, come on, folks. Korea is claiming performance in the cloned dogs that has never been proven in the original dogs. If they are correct, it would have to be some kind of magic.

  10. Copyright != Patent by TenDollarMan · · Score: 1

    Copyright is a different protection to patent.

    A patent could protect a novel method of cloning. Ie, the specific way the geneticist uses his or her test tubes etc in the lab to get the clone. Wouldn't stop anyone breeding a sniffer dog.

    A copyright cannot protect the clone. Unless the scientist actually wrote out the genome from his or her mind in some inspired supergenius way: GTTACCAATGCA....... Which is impossible.

    1. Re:Copyright != Patent by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 2

      I swear I read GATTACA

    2. Re:Copyright != Patent by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure that a particular clone set (clones of a particular dog) would be patentable, just as at present there are many patented varieties of roses and other plants, that result from selective breeding. (USPTO info on plant patents). In those cases they are effectively clones, having been created by making cuttings of the original plant. They are genetically identical. Patent would be stronger protection than copyright.

      However, from my reading of the USPTO info, those patents apply to plants, not animals. I'm too lazy to research further. It may be that animal clones would have be to added to this patent structure by legislation in order to be patentable. Whether that is a good idea is an exercise for the reader. But I expect it will happen.

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  11. Electronics aren't much better by msobkow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember the Toronto airport security testing out one of the electronic sniffers. It was supposed to be much more sensitive than dogs are.

    The problem is, it was too sensitive. It turns out that after a few decades of smuggling, pretty much every surface in the baggage handling are has been exposed to drugs or explosives at some time or other, so the electronic sniffer kept going off.

    When they turned down the sensitivity, it was no better than a dog.

    Case in point: 90 percent of U.S. bils carry traces of cocaine. The fact that a sniffer or a dog "goes off" only justifies further investigation; it's far from proof.

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  12. Do Cloned Drug-Sniffing Dogs Taste Better? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 2, Funny

    How do they prove successful? Do Cloned Drug-Sniffing Dogs simply taste better?

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    1. Re:Do Cloned Drug-Sniffing Dogs Taste Better? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      Only if seasoned with cloned salt and pepper..........

      Like in "Push it REAL Good"?

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  13. Re:Questionable at best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's why we should use cats instead: cats wouldn't respond to cues from the handler.

  14. Re:Slamhound by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Yeah but that was a robot, right? Like a cruise missile with legs.

  15. The New Evolution by ardeez · · Score: 1

    This is the new evolution

    If you're fit enough to serve humans' purpose, you get to survive to the next generation.

    Pity those animals that currently don't.

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  16. I'm going to guess they have the same issues by tlambert · · Score: 1

    I'm going to guess they have the same issues as other clones, to wit: shortened telomeres resulting in a shortened Hayflick limit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit and therefore a shortened lifespan. Subtract out the age of the dog at the time the samples used for cloning were taken.

    I made this same point (to NBC) as a possibility in early 1997 when Dolly the sheep was announced, and it turned out I was correct in my assertion; see this report: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/15204559950020003

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  17. Re:We've been doing that in plants for years by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

    And oxen. A lot.

  18. Re:Questionable at best. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    ...emitting useless cues about folks they dislike.

    The cues they 'emit' do not have to be intentional - a reaction to seeing a particularly ugly piece of luggage or one that screams "conspicuous consumption" might set the dog off. You allude to that in the next sentence with the word 'subconscious'.

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  19. Re:Pointless Retardation by DigiTechGuy · · Score: 1

    Agreed. Prohibition never works. It only breeds crime and violent criminal organizations which would never exist without prohibition. Legalize drugs and pull the rug out from under these violent gangs.

  20. Re:Questionable at best. by domatic · · Score: 1

    Yes but juggling them is something else altogether.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qbc2J0zZr8

  21. Sure they can sniff out drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But sniffing another clone's ass sends them into an existensial crisis.

  22. Age issue by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I read that cloned animals have the same age as their originals (right from the birth), thus cloning even middle aged animals becomes less attractive financially as clones have a substantially short(er) life span.

    Is this fact still valid?

  23. Korea cloning dogs by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    Anyone else see a secondary agenda here?

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  24. No factual difference if the genes are identical by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    How an embryo was formed is no longer significant, if inbreeds have 100% the same genes. Thats his point.

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  25. So if... by woboyle · · Score: 1

    So, if I commit a crime, can I have my clone do my time?

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  26. Re:drug sniffing? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    They have the Charlie Sheen gene in there somewhere.

    So... that guy really does like the bitches...
    I suppose there should be a furry joke tossed in now.

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  27. Re:No factual difference if the genes are identica by PwnzerDragoon · · Score: 1

    What if A and B are the same?

  28. Re:Sumilov Dogs by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and they're half jackals! And they're not cloned. The jackals and Siberian huskies were bred "naturally", which in Russia probably involves some romantic music and a dogbowl full of vodka. If this Korean dog really has such a great nose, they should breed it with the Sulimov dogs, which are probably even better at odor discrimination, but possibly less good at working with people (being half jackals). For now I pity the fool who flies into Moscow with a bag of cocaine in his underpants.