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Americas New CIO Wants To Disrupt Government and Make It a Startup

An anonymous reader writes "America's new CIO Steven VanRoekel wants to revamp the federal government and make it as agile as a startup. But first he has to get rid of bugs like the Department of Agriculture's 21 different e-mail systems. From the article: '“Too often, we have built closed, monolithic projects that are outdated or no longer needed by the time they launch,” he said. As an example, he mentioned the Defense Department’s human resources management system. Dubbed the “Defense Integrated Military Human Resource System,” the project was meant to take seven years to develop. Instead, it took 10, cost $850 million and had to be scrapped after 10 years of development in 2010 because it ended up being useless.'"

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  1. New buzzword alert by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone today wants to be "disruptive". What will end up happening is this CIO will end up creating yet another useless system that is over budget and no one wants. But for 10 times the cost, because it's "disruptive".

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    1. Re:New buzzword alert by Jeng · · Score: 2

      Also, from what I can find 6 out of 10 start ups fail within 4 years.

      I'm sorry, but what does happen if they fail? It's not like a private business where you declare bankruptcy and move on.

      Although I would never want to see a business try to work like the government does, I also don't want to see it the other way around.

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    2. Re:New buzzword alert by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Well if he can find the right synergies and bring out of the box thinking into play this could work.

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    3. Re:New buzzword alert by poetmatt · · Score: 0

      Please. I think he's just trying to visualize 24/7 architectures, or maybe deploy intuitive partnerships to leverage bleeding-edge applications.

    4. Re:New buzzword alert by adamchou · · Score: 1

      I like your optimistic enthusiasm for someone who sees the failings of the government and wants to fix it by reaching out to the tech community and gathering input. Or perhaps we should just continue operating the way we have been.

    5. Re:New buzzword alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone today wants to be "disruptive". What will end up happening is this CIO will end up creating yet another useless system that is over budget and no one wants. But for 10 times the cost, because it's "disruptive".

      Per TFA and the actual quotes, Steven VanRoekel never uses the word "disruptive", thats all marketing lingo to draw people to the blog article... not to the actual quote.

    6. Re:New buzzword alert by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      The problem is that you do not see this as a continuation of the status quo.

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    7. Re:New buzzword alert by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Coming in and 'disrupting' things every so often is what lead to the multitude of redundant and useless systems in the first place. This very much is continuing to operate as they have been.

      The guy gets to be loud, say he's going to do all these things, get started on the new systems and move on to a more lucrative job in the private sector. In his wake, another redundant system is deployed with no clear goal. Ten years from now we do the whole dance over again.

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    8. Re:New buzzword alert by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      You could have just written:

      10 A BOOT STOMPING
      20 A HUMAN FACE
      30 GOTO 10

    9. Re:New buzzword alert by adamchou · · Score: 1

      Well, I was being sarcastic in my last post so I was in fact insinuating that you were being pessimistic, which is exactly what your view is. I see your view but I don't agree with it. I'd rather take the optimistic point of view that something is going to get fixed.

    10. Re:New buzzword alert by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      If I hear any more CxO bubblespeak out of anyone today I warn you, I will not responsible for my actions.

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    11. Re:New buzzword alert by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      OK. This time it will be different. Ignore the 21 (according to the summary) other times.

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    12. Re:New buzzword alert by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Now if he can leverage a Six Sigma management strategy and achieve a nine nines reliability while migrating to a cloud based infrastructure we could have a real paradigms shift.

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    13. Re:New buzzword alert by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Well if he can find the right synergies and bring out of the box thinking into play this could work.

      That would be quite a paradigm shift!

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    14. Re:New buzzword alert by nschubach · · Score: 1

      ...I will not responsible for my actions.

      So you are the CEO?

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    15. Re:New buzzword alert by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yep just another bullshit buzzword bingo master like the last idiot...

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    16. Re:New buzzword alert by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      I will not be responsible for my actions.

      Your actionable items should be visualized on a real-time social platform in order to attain target penetration levels by utilizing the crowd-sourcing paradigm.

      Translation:
      Get a bunch of strangers to do it for you.

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    17. Re:New buzzword alert by McGuirk · · Score: 1

      ...Does anyone prevent natural disasters?

      "Today in California, another earthquake was starting, when Hulk Hogan gave it an Atomic Leg-Drop, called it 'Brother' and pointed at it menacingly until it ran away crying".

    18. Re:New buzzword alert by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. The government is too big to fail.

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    19. Re:New buzzword alert by Raenex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The government doesn't give a shit about you.

      If they didn't care at all then things could be much worse.

      Do governments prevent natural disasters? No.

      Sure they do, to some extent. They build dykes, enforce building codes for earthquakes, have fire departments. Can they prevent every single disaster? Of course not, but lots are.

      Can government stop revolutions? Look at the middle east.

      Sure, go ahead and look. It's a mixed bag. Remember the Iranian revolution in 2009? Crushed. Egypt, for all its gains, still has a military junta in charge. The Libyan revolution only succeeded because of NATO intervention. Syria and Yemen haven't toppled yet. Look at history. There have been countless rebellions put down.

      But it can't give you what you don't already have.

      You mean things like roads, bridges, highways, power, sewer, and the Internet?

    20. Re:New buzzword alert by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Government ever done for us?

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    21. Re:New buzzword alert by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      ..Does anyone prevent natural disasters?

      God could, if He existed.

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    22. Re:New buzzword alert by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      Or: In related news, America's new CIO has been determined to be an idiot.

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    23. Re:New buzzword alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be a new paradigm!

  2. And will be bribed in 3..2..1 by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 2

    That or a lobbyist group behind a specific software group will "donate" money to anyone that can nullify his plans. And since companies are allowed to donate unlimited funds, there is little hope for his plan.

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    1. Re:And will be bribed in 3..2..1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can't donate unlimited funds. the Citizens United case was about paying for commercials that would be considered political advertising.

    2. Re:And will be bribed in 3..2..1 by nschubach · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you probably could... wasn't it Colbert that was talking about Anonymous PAC funds about a month ago?

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    3. Re:And will be bribed in 3..2..1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Canada.. they are not.

    4. Re:And will be bribed in 3..2..1 by PhrstBrn · · Score: 1

      Sure you can. You create a bunch of shell corporations and funnel all the money through them, because they're all separate entities now.

    5. Re:And will be bribed in 3..2..1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, indeed sir. This AssHat needs to get the US Federal government on a single WAN and single email system. Toss in some security and IDS. Then maybe move them over to a single phone system. Then he can start talking about stupid shit he read about in CIO magazine.

  3. Good luck with the politics by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of things in the Federal government seem wasteful until you realize the politics behind how they came to be that way. "Why do you have this facility way out here, when it would be cheaper to move it closer?" often doesn't elicit a "Because we're wasteful and stupid" response so much as a "Because we need the support of powerful Senator X and so we built it in his state" response. NASA is notorious for that sort of thing. Almost all of their contracts go to very politically connected contractors with powerful Congressional backing.

    That “Defense Integrated Military Human Resource System” was a Northrop Grumman project. If the name Northrop Grumman doesn't mean anything to you, you don't know jackshit about federal politics, or how things REALLY work. Northrop Grumman owns Congress.Tthey have facilities in virtually every state.

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    1. Re:Good luck with the politics by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      Ah. So the waste and stupidity is intentional. I feel better now.

    2. Re:Good luck with the politics by AnonGCB · · Score: 1

      Basically, politicians aren't accountable because they're spending other people's money. So they can afford to be wasteful.

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    3. Re:Good luck with the politics by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      No, politicians are the ultimate in accountability because they need to do the will of the people in order to get re-elected every few years.

      *snerk* Oops, couldn't quite keep a straight face while saying that...

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    4. Re:Good luck with the politics by bberens · · Score: 1

      The whole military industrial complex works this way. Those lobbyists are so powerful they get things made that the Pentagon as firmly stated they don't even want.

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    5. Re:Good luck with the politics by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, saying "NASA is notorious for that sort of thing" implies that they are somehow responsible for it. It would be more accurate to say that congress is notorious for doing this with the NASA budget. NASA's money is already spent before it even gets to them.

    6. Re:Good luck with the politics by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      Yeah, accountable to the people who vote for them. Who, incidentally, all just got jobs in the nice new factory built in the middle of their nowhere electoral district.

      What, you thought politicians were responsible to some greater purpose?

    7. Re:Good luck with the politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Northrop Grumman is getting all the money, then Northrop Grumman is getting all the money. Fine.

      But would they object to building something useful for their money, instead of building something craptacular?

    8. Re:Good luck with the politics by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      To paraphrase Ronny Cox in Robocop: "The ED 2009 would have given us maintenance and parts contracts for years! Who CARES if it works?"

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    9. Re:Good luck with the politics by Certhas · · Score: 1

      More over, any large cooperation is subject to the same type of politics. Relative to the size of the government these failed projects are not that huge.

    10. Re:Good luck with the politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, ALL big companies have revolving doors with the government.
      Exxon, Monsanto, Haliburton, Eli Lily, Boeing, Northrop, Microsoft, the MAFIAA

      It's also easy to find: Look at what everyone in congress and senate did, before he went into politics. Good luck finding anyone who did NOT work at a big industrial conglomerate.

    11. Re:Good luck with the politics by HotBBQ · · Score: 1

      Northrop Grumman is only the third largest defense contractor. Lockheed Martin and Boeing are even bigger spenders.

    12. Re:Good luck with the politics by HotBBQ · · Score: 1

      Actually, since our politicians have power only by consent of the the governed, we really only have ourselves to blame. Decades of apathy, ignorance, and greed (among other factors) have created the abomination that is now the government in the United States. If we really wanted to we could replace every elected official in the federal government within 18 years, but we won't.

    13. Re:Good luck with the politics by ideonexus · · Score: 1

      Had a great example of this at the Coast Guard base where I used to work. USCG needed its fleet of H65 helicopters upgraded. Our base could upgrade each helicopter engine for less than $100k; however, some Senator in Mississippi tied up the funding until the USCG base in his state got some helicopters to upgrade too. We upgraded 30 helicopters at $100k each, the base in Mississippi upgraded 3 helicopters at $1 Million each.

      My understanding is that this sort of thing can't happen anymore and, in fact, one of the reasons for the recent deficit limit showdown was because there was no way to bribe any of the Congress members with pork to convince them to switch sides... the cynic in me has trouble believing this.

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    14. Re:Good luck with the politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a politician got all the people jobs in a nice new factory in my electoral district, I would vote for him.

    15. Re:Good luck with the politics by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      Basically, politicians aren't accountable because they're spending other people's money. So they can afford to be wasteful.

      You do realize, don't you, that more or less the same thing applies to corporate executives. Principal-agent problems aren't limited to the public sector.

    16. Re:Good luck with the politics by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      That âoeDefense Integrated Military Human Resource Systemâ was a Northrop Grumman

      Actually...that was only the development portion of it. There were research, requirements gathering and other steps before that...run by Lockheed Martin amongst other large contractors...years before it hit Northrop.

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    17. Re:Good luck with the politics by k6mfw · · Score: 1
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      To paraphrase Ronny Cox in Robocop: "The ED 2009 would have given us maintenance and parts contracts for years! Who CARES if it works?"

      How come Ronny Cox plays bad guy roles, i.e. disruptive senator in Star Gate One? Other day I watched Tom Hanks' "From Earth to the Moon" series that was on HBO in 1998, kind of surprising to see him playing a role not of a bad guy. I think he portrayed North American executive saying to others they should not withhold any information in regards to the Apollo One fire. Ronny Cox also played one of the guys in "Deliverance" (the one that played the guitar and later killed by the hillbillies).

      On subject of this forum, so what if a federal agency has several email systems. Not such a bad thing, diversity in ways provides survivability such as certain virus can take down an entire email system if a large agency has just ***one*** system. Besides Dept of Ag is in the business of Ag. I remember years ago when NASA rolled out their ODIN system and with lots of hoopla, even had their own "mission patch" like this was a new spacecraft. Who gives a s***? It's all just desktop office tools.

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    18. Re:Good luck with the politics by Bob_Geldof · · Score: 1

      By my calculations we could replace every elected member of the federal government within 6 years. Where does 18 come from?

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    19. Re:Good luck with the politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is really a reason to get rid of the direct election of the senate as per the 18th amendment. If the Senate received it's members from the state government as it was supposed they could actually act against this job "creates" despite it being unpopular. Also the Senate would be less willing to give the Federal Government more power. I think we would see less of the you won't get your school funding if you don't build our highway system type power grabs.

    20. Re:Good luck with the politics by jon3k · · Score: 1

      More specifically the waste is a function of human greed and thus cannot be "fixed" anymore than one can fix human nature.

    21. Re:Good luck with the politics by hedwards · · Score: 1

      The problem is that I want my Senators bringing home the bacon, but don't particularly want Senators from other states doing the same. The problem there is basically that there's a few ways in which this can work its way out, one that nobody gets to because everybody is blocking everybody else, and the second being that pork gets distributed at home.

      One of the downsides to elected officials is that they have to convince people to vote for them whenever they're up for re-election which means that you find pork coming home. Consequently the previously mentioned options tend to settle on pork.

    22. Re:Good luck with the politics by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      The problem is that I want my Senators bringing home the bacon, but don't particularly want Senators from other states doing the same.

      Interesting. I want all of them to realize it's MY bacon and to keep their damn hands off it.

    23. Re:Good luck with the politics by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Personally, I like having roads, a social safety net and a military to prevent invaders from taking over. All of which benefit regularly from pork barrel politics. It's pretty much the only reason why the infrastructure has yet to completely collapse.

    24. Re:Good luck with the politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm legally considered a white male.

      While I love the roads I can drive my not-so-brand-new-any-more car on, and it's pretty neat that my draft card hasn't been used (although if necessary I'd show up, who knows whether they'd have use for someone who would need a sports bra and estrogen delivered per doctor orders despite that not being very normal for people who are legally male. I'd try my best, but who the hell knows. At least I like guys.), but social safety net?

      lololololololololol

      That's pretty funny. Chase Bank has been more of a safety net to me than any government program ever will. I've avoided late fees by careful usage of my credit line.

      The social safety net only applies if you've had children before you were ready for the responsibilities and expenses associated with them.

      It really makes you wonder why, if straight people can't be responsible with their reproductive systems, just why should my taxes have to pay for it.

    25. Re:Good luck with the politics by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      That “Defense Integrated Military Human Resource System” was a Northrop Grumman [wikipedia.org] project. If the name Northrop Grumman doesn't mean anything to you, you don't know jackshit about federal politics, or how things REALLY work. Northrop Grumman owns Congress.Tthey have facilities in virtually every state.

      Eh.....not really. Or at least not them specifically. More like they are a partner with Lockheed, General Dynamics, Boeing, SAIC and Raytheon who can all say the same. And each of whom have similar failures on their resumes. And Congresscritters in their pockets.

      That's why when people start talking about the Dems killing defense spending... Sure, they may say that in the whitehouse. But when it trickles down to the House level in particular, guess where all those high-tech defense jobs are? A whole lot of them in fairly blue areas including the Bay area, LA, Boston, and the DC area, among others.

    26. Re:Good luck with the politics by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Hey don't forget his good guy roles in Deliverance and Beverly Hills Cop.

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    27. Re:Good luck with the politics by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Nice trolling. The reason why your tax dollars should pay for it is that children don't have any control over whom their parents are. You were lucky enough not to be born to somebody that couldn't afford to have children and in civilized parts of the world there's a safety net for that.

      And your Chase example is really poor, if you pay the IRS on time you also can avoid paying any extra fees. The IRS doesn't make money without people paying taxes, Chase OTOH gets a percentage cut out of every single transaction you make. So, in other words you end up essentially paying 3% or something like that on top of each and every purchase in order to use the card.

      As for the social safety net, you've paid into social security and if you're unable to work due to disability you're not going to starve to death like you would in many parts of the world, it's not a very good safety net, but thanks to the Democrats it still exists.

    28. Re:Good luck with the politics by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because they won't have any aspirations to elected office, like governor or president. Politicians will not act against public opinion, this is good. The problem is the manipulation of public opinion.

  4. Department of Agriculture by Kohath · · Score: 2

    Here's an idea, why don't we just shut down 20 of the 21 sections of the Department of Agriculture so they only have one email system?

    We can keep food safety inspections, at least until an adequate private inspection regime is in place (like the one that inspects food and facilities for Kosher and Halal dietary requirements).

    1. Re:Department of Agriculture by RazzleFrog · · Score: 3

      Yeah that's what we need. 30 competing private "inspection regimes" (29 owned by the food manufacturers) all with their own standards that will be incomprehensible to the average person. Perfect! I definitely think it makes sense to give control to the very respectable food industry that has never done anything shady.

      What purpose do you tea party guys think the government serves if not to protect its citizens?

    2. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Private food inspection will happen like this:

      Companies pay private food inspectors.
      Food inspectors inspect, and give report.
      A company wants a good report and will do one of two of the following to achieve that goal:

      1. Bring up their standards and practices to meet inspection requirements
      2. Higher another inspector that gives them a favorable report.

      The problem is, as an inspector I have incentive give better reports rather than provide accurate results.

      Here is the kicker.

      IN A FREE MARKET INCENTIVE IS THE EQUIVALENT TO TRUTH. ANYTHING WITH INCENTIVE WILL HAPPEN.

      *Premptive fuck you to libertarians - I know you're already /dying/ to point out how the free market is going to fix competition between our supposed private inspection firms.. No. In reality any business process that's more than 1 layer of abstraction separated from the public is practically invisible. Your informed buyers are a myth because INCENTIVE EXISTS TO KEEP BUYERS IN THE DARK.

    3. Re:Department of Agriculture by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      What purpose do you tea party guys think the government serves if not to protect its citizens?

      To oppress it's citizens (not saying I believe this myself, but I imagine a lot of tea party members think so).

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    4. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here is an idea, because government is not as accountable as we, like due to complexity and politics, let us instead throw it all away and replace it with a system which is not accountable to us at all.

    5. Re:Department of Agriculture by mhouseco · · Score: 1

      Private inspection - like Jensen Farms had before they started killing people with listeria on the cantaloupes?

    6. Re:Department of Agriculture by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that both Kosher and Halal inspections are fueled by strong demand to maintain dietary restrictions that date back centuries. The majority of Americans do not actually demand food safety inspections, and a private system would probably fail. Food safety inspections are necessary for public health and welfare, but I would not expect most people to understand that or the need for it. I would also be concerned about cheaper food not having been inspected, and people not checking for certification.

      If we lived in a country that was not filled with clueless, distracted citizens, a private food inspection system would work great.

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    7. Re:Department of Agriculture by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Government enriches and empowers its owners, usually not the people (e.g. USA), while manufacturing a facade of acting in the people's interest. It strives to preserve that order.

      No, I'm not a tea party member, they only see the tip of the iceberg

    8. Re:Department of Agriculture by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

      We can keep food safety inspections, at least until an adequate private inspection regime is in place (like the one that inspects food and facilities for Kosher and Halal dietary requirements).

      If someone has food that isn't kosher they are unlikely to ever know about it (well unless it turns out that their deity is real). If food poisoning occurs people can die. Not the same thing. Moreover, as a former Orthodox Jew with a lot of experinece with the way the kashrut inspection groups work, I can assure you that they are a good model of exactly what can go wrong with for-profit entities running inspections. They use almost anything as an excuse to simply raises the amount they are charging often in a way complely unrelated to whether or not it risks an actual violation of kashrut rules.

    9. Re:Department of Agriculture by guyfawkes-11-5 · · Score: 2

      Here's an idea, why don't we just shut down 20 of the 21 sections of the Department of Agriculture so they only have one email system?

      We can keep food safety inspections, at least until an adequate private inspection regime is in place (like the one that inspects food and facilities for Kosher and Halal dietary requirements).

      The last time "food safety inspections", was privatized, the outcome was detailed in "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. A rollicking read, but not something that I would like to return to.

    10. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may be surprised to learn that there are far more than 20 competing Kosher and Halal inspection organizations.

    11. Re:Department of Agriculture by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      So I assume you never use anything provided/maintained by the government?

    12. Re:Department of Agriculture by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I think an argument could be made that this has already happened.

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    13. Re:Department of Agriculture by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      What purpose do you tea party guys think the government serves if not to protect its fund-raisers?

      I very rarely "FTFY" someone, but...FTFY.

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    14. Re:Department of Agriculture by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      what relevance it that, if 66% of its actions and costs are illegitimate?

    15. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What purpose do you tea party guys think the government serves if not to protect its citizens?

      To oppress it's citizens (not saying I believe this myself, but I imagine a lot of tea party members think so).

      Congrats! You've just drawn a parallel between the Tea Party and the Slashdot hivemind! I'm certain they (the hivemind) have a series of contingencies on-hand to ignore inconvenient-but-true comparisons like that, but nice job anyway!

    16. Re:Department of Agriculture by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      How do you measure that exactly? Which 66% would that be? I agree that there is a ton of government waste but I don't see how regulating our food is one of them.

    17. Re:Department of Agriculture by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      If we lived in a country that was not filled with clueless, distracted citizens, a democracy would work great.

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    18. Re:Department of Agriculture by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      We measure by the list of duties explicitly stated in the Constitution.

    19. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my country we recently had our water supply privatized, and our municipalities are now forced to pay private companies to inspect the water supply. The result was that the private companies were terribly vulnerable to corruption and they offered lab results a la carte.

      This moronic idea that privatization fixes everything doesn't have any bearing in the real world and is completely devoid of any rational thought.

    20. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that works remarkably well for the field of clinical laboratories. The government run operation, CLIA (clinical laboratory improvement act) is massively more expensive and incomprehensible than the private one.

    21. Re:Department of Agriculture by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Who is we and can you give specifics? Dept of Agriculture falls under " To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;" so what other criteria do you use to reject it?

    22. Re:Department of Agriculture by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Indeed, and it is worth mentioning that capitalism is a democratic system of determining what will be produced -- popular items are produced in greater quantities and unpopular items are produced in lesser quantities. As with democracy, if the participants in a capitalist system are uneducated and oblivious to what is happening the system tends to produce less-than-optimal results. Those who are in power now know this, and I suspect that one reason why education always seems to be on the back burner in America is that becoming more democratic is not a priority for the people in charge.

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    23. Re:Department of Agriculture by Genda · · Score: 2

      The problem is that current industrial agricultural practices virtually guarantee our food will be contaminated. Huge chicken processing plants split chickens in a water bath, effectively dipping everything chicken in a soup of chicken feces. Cows are fattened in massive pens, on grain, standing in their feces. The grain diet causes an explosion of e-coli leading to common beef contamination. Worse, these "Farms" are often located near other farms, so either by irrigation or simple transference, bacteria contamination ends up on vegetables that will be eaten raw, resulting in outbreaks of disease. The indiscriminate use of antibiotics has created a plague of disease resistant bacteria

      These are simple problems we understand completely. You could fatten cows on a grass only diet for the last 20 days, and e-coli would virtually disappear from the markets. The problem is that the FDA has no teeth, and can't make huge agro-businesses do anything.that might hurt their bottom line no matter how beneficial that might be to society as a whole.

      The cost of food in America is no excuse. Because the major food producers are heavily subsidized with our tax dollars and you have no ideas what the food actually costs anyway. A growing number of people are moving to organic or "Clean and Green" farm produce (look at the explosion of Farmer's Markets across the nation.) Americans are more than willing to pay a few pennies per item more, to be assured those products won't kill or disable them.

    24. Re:Department of Agriculture by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Good thing we have people like you to be our Mommy then. Thanks Mom.

    25. Re:Department of Agriculture by Kohath · · Score: 1

      This is a ridiculous argument: if I get $1 in value from government, I must consent to pay $1000, or $1 million in taxes (and more in lost freedom) in return for it.

      Government is good: it protects freedom. Big government is bad: it threatens freedom. It's the amount of government that matters. We have far, far, far, far too much.

    26. Re:Department of Agriculture by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      If you are paying $1M in taxes then you most likely are part of the problem and not the solution.

      Where do you get that ratio of $1 to $1000, though? How do you even measure how much of a value you get from government? Most people don't even know what the government (both national and local) do that benefits them. They drive on their highways without thinking about how they are maintained.

    27. Re:Department of Agriculture by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      We can keep food safety inspections, at least until an adequate private inspection regime is in place (like the one that inspects food and facilities for Kosher and Halal dietary requirements).

      The difference is that if someone lies about whether or not a particular food is Kosher/Halal or not, the outcome is nothing more than begging another forgiveness from an imaginary friend, whereas if someone lies about whether or not a food might have peanuts in it, the outcome will (eventually) be fatal.

      Self-regulation works tolerably well when the differences between outcomes are relatively unimportant. It's a disaster waiting to happen (at best) if they're important.

    28. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if we did not have a food inspection system, would that not rid us of at least some of the clueless, distracted citizens?

      The survivors would then pay attention to what they were eating, and the system would work great!

    29. Re:Department of Agriculture by pnewhook · · Score: 1

      Food safety inspections are necessary for public health and welfare, but I would not expect most people to understand that or the need for it.

      Exactly. Which is why people think government regulations are a bad thing until companies are caught doing stuff like adding Melamine to baby milk and dog food so it looks like it has higher protein content. Only when pets or babies die do people get up in arms and demand that their government do something.

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    30. Re:Department of Agriculture by Kohath · · Score: 1

      They use almost anything as an excuse to simply raises the amount they are charging often in a way complely unrelated to whether or not it risks an actual violation of kashrut rules.

      That sounds exactly like how government regulations are implemented.

    31. Re:Department of Agriculture by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Where do you get that ratio of $1 to $1000, though?

      From your argument. If I ever got any benefit from government, I can never criticize it or want less of any of it. No one should point out that government primarily serves government, not the people. That's what you were arguing with "so I assume you never use anything provided/maintained by the government".

      I use government. I like government. It's not even remotely worth the amount it costs. Most of it should be shut down. Not all. Most.

      How do you even measure how much of a value you get from government?

      My preferred way? Cut it massively and see what happens. Then bring it back a tiny bit at a time only if it's absolutely necessary.

      Most people don't even know what the government (both national and local) do that benefits them. They drive on their highways without thinking about how they are maintained.

      Driver's gas taxes pay for highways. The people who use the roads pay for them. I'm not complaining about that. Highways are a tiny fraction of government spending. It's borderline disingenuous to bring them up as "the thing government does".

      Besides food safety inspections, what does the Department of Agriculture do that helps me?

    32. Re:Department of Agriculture by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Cows are fattened in massive pens, on grain, standing in their feces.

      What you just described is a field pasture. ;)

      Seriously though, if a cow standing in it's own feces bothers you, I don't know what to tell you. I grew up in a rural area and I can tell you that many farm animals walk around in their own waste. Local farm markets and "natural" food shopping will not change that. There was a chicken coop that we tore down and the floor was chicken waste 3 inches deep over concrete for "free range" chickens. This was a 40 acre farm used for a few local houses with excess going to a co-op. Not huge by any standards.

      I do love how you argue that the cost of food is no excuse and use subsidization as the reason. You know subsidies come from taxes, potential other spending, or potential tax reduction? All it does is hide the cost of the food and distribute it to everyone in the country.

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    33. Re:Department of Agriculture by geekoid · · Score: 1

      He uses two criteria:
      1) It's something to complex to understand for him.
      2) His lack of understanding of the constitution.

      In short, the poster is an ignorant douche nozzle.

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    34. Re:Department of Agriculture by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      The poster I was responding to wanted to eliminate government completely. That was my point.

    35. Re:Department of Agriculture by Kohath · · Score: 1

      No. He didn't. He did not say that in the post your were responding to. In a followup post, he supported limited government.

      Almost no one wants to "eliminate government completely". The majority wants government to be smaller and less expensive and less intrusive though.

    36. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you consume food that is labeled Kosher but it is not- it'll not harm you.
      If you consume food that is labeled safe but it's contaminated- you might die.

      See the difference?

    37. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, 30 percent yearly increases of inspection prices. Why? Because we .. inflation.

    38. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a distinct possibility that a private food inspection system might quickly solve the problem of clueless, distracted citizens (not necessarily in a very pleasant way).

    39. Re:Department of Agriculture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That 66% number is like Microsoft Excel features...everyone agrees that Excel has too many features and that it would be better if you removed ~70% of them...but everyone's list of unnecessary features is different.

    40. Re:Department of Agriculture by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      Here's an idea, why don't we just shut down 20 of the 21 sections of the Department of Agriculture so they only have one email system?

      Actually, I'd like to fire every single CIO who things which email systems division A or B is running is even important. This is why standards exist. You speak SMTP, I speak SMTP, we all (mostly) get along. I have NEVER seen an email consolidation that wasn't a giant clusterfsck. Often the cost of getting everybody on to the same thing is about what it would have cost to leave them alone for the next decade.

    41. Re:Department of Agriculture by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      'We the People' do own the government! Too many of us have been absentee owners for too long. The lawn needs to be mowed and we need to slap down a new coat of paint. Unfortunately, the vocal minority who have grown fat on the teats of poor unloved Uncle Sam are doing anything in their power to prevent us from reclaiming our citizen ownership.

  5. Sounds like it already is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the project was meant to take seven years to develop. Instead, it took 10, cost $850 million and had to be scrapped after 10 years of development in 2010 because it ended up being useless.

    It even sounds like it is a successful start up not running out of money for 10 years.

    1. Re:Sounds like it already is by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Someone got $850 million in 10 years. Sounds like a good definition of success to me.

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  6. Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Forget trying to make a several-million person organization act like a startup.. I'm not even sure what that would mean in this context. Honestly, sounds like BS. Let's talk about this:

    “Defense Integrated Military Human Resource System,” the project was meant to take seven years to develop. Instead, it took 10, cost $850 million and had to be scrapped after 10 years of development in 2010 because it ended up being useless.

    Let's say I go to Procter&Gamble, and offer them an HR system. I say to them, it will cost $30 million and 3 years. Then after 3 years, I try to bill them $40 million and say it will take another 2 years to deliver.

    I'm pretty sure that's when either:

    1) PG sues me for breach of contract, and refuses to pay anything

    OR

    2) the person at PG in charge of this project gets fired for improperly managing the project (changing requirements, etc).

    WHY is that gov contracts never do 1 OR 2. They do just pay it?! Seriously, WTF

    That's not something any company would do. Startup or otherwise.

    1. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by bberens · · Score: 1

      What you just stated is patently false. There's constant delivery date and cost over-runs in private business. Not as dramatic as in government, but it's there nonetheless. And it doesn't usually result in lawsuits or even a loss of business.

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    2. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Governments do not have the same incentive to sue. P&G would sue because their investors hold their accountable for their actions, and if P&G failed to show that they exercised their due diligence they would be in a lot of trouble. In theory, a democratic government is similarly accountable to its citizens, but in practice most people are oblivious to what their government is doing.

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    3. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by hawguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's say I go to Procter&Gamble, and offer them an HR system. I say to them, it will cost $30 million and 3 years. Then after 3 years, I try to bill them $40 million and say it will take another 2 years to deliver.

      I'm pretty sure that's when either:

      1) PG sues me for breach of contract, and refuses to pay anything

      You've obviously never managed a large implementation - cost overruns always happen. Vendors oversell the capabilities of the project and companies underestimate their needs. It's not until the project gets underway that the business realizes that the HR plan they spec'ed out at the beginning won't work anymore because it can't accommodate the needs of their new Asian division. So, the project drags on and the vendor keeps billing (justified by the change orders that the company initiated).

      It's not all the fault of the software vendor, it's just that large, complex software deployments are large and complex and it's impossible to spec everything out at the beginning... and even if you could, the needs of the business can change in the 3 years it takes to implement the project.

    4. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! I don't like how you poked holes in my fantasy that was firmly grounded in my lack of real world experience. I demand an apology!

    5. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, you are sorry.

    6. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never managed a large implementation - cost overruns always happen. Vendors oversell the capabilities of the project and companies underestimate their needs.

      Well fucking hold them accountable when that happens. If they sign a contract, hold them to it. If what's in the contract turns out to be insufficient for your needs, don't just bend the contract. Negotiate a new one.

      it's impossible to spec everything out at the beginning

      That's no reason you shouldn't get what you specced for the price it was promised.

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    7. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Simple because government project would be so high risk otherwise nobody would accept them. When was the last time a major government IT project was on time, on budget, and met requirements?

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    8. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by hawguy · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never managed a large implementation - cost overruns always happen. Vendors oversell the capabilities of the project and companies underestimate their needs.

      Well fucking hold them accountable when that happens. If they sign a contract, hold them to it. If what's in the contract turns out to be insufficient for your needs, don't just bend the contract. Negotiate a new one.

      How is negotiating a new contact better than signing a change order and paying more money?

      How do you envision this working? Do you think the vendor will say "Ok, that will cost $50K to implement, but if you make me stop work and go through another contract negotiation, I'll cut it to $13.50 since I love contract negotiations". I think what he'll say is "Ok,what you asked for will cost $50K in labor to implement, I'll just send my 37 people home while we spend a couple months renegotiating the entire contract which will end up with you paying an extra $50K and then we'll get both of our legal teams to sign off on it. Then in another 6 months or so after I can reschedule the resources, we'll start work again. Sound good? Oh, and I'll need you to pay an extra $75K for the costs of delaying the project and rescheduling the resources". Wouldn't it be easier for him to say "Ok, what you asked for will cost $50K, sign this change order approving the spec change and price and I can get another 3 guys here in 2 weeks to start working on implementing it." (that's not to say that there is no negotiation in a large change order, but it's not the same as renegotiating the entire contract)

      it's impossible to spec everything out at the beginning

      That's no reason you shouldn't get what you specced for the price it was promised.

      I haven't worked on an implementation yet where the client has been able to fully spec out what they want. The vendor is always willing to provide what's in the contract and then fix it up later, but usually the client wants a system that does what they need. Sometimes they just didn't know what they wanted when they wrote the specs because they didn't realize how this poduct would change the way they do business. Sometimes their business changed due to external factors. Sometimes they assumed the product would work one way because that's how it worked at some other company, but they found out that that company wrote a custom module to get it to work that way. Sometimes the client sees a new feature that we're rolling out that they want integrated into their implementation. We can either fit in a change order during implementation or deliver the product as spec'ed, then make the changes afterwards. It's usually cheaper to do the former.

      There are enough lawyers on both sides to (usually) make a breach of contract lawsuit unattractive - the vendor will show exactly why the solution he provided meets the letter of the contract, and the client will show exactly why it doesn't meet the contract and they'll spend the next year in court debating technicalities.

    9. Re:Gov doesn't know how to manage contracts by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      Well fucking hold them accountable when that happens.

      Who? If you mean the government who writes the RFPs that are unclear, imprecise, and sometimes just wrong, I agree. You should really read a government RFP sometime. A lot of them are public, and you'll find that they don't spec things to anything like the degree of detail you might think. We actually DO get what we specified for the price it was promised most of the time. Sometimes we just fail to spec what we really want, so we get something else.

  7. Re-inventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meet the new boss. He wants to do everything differently. Same as the old boss.

  8. Hmmmm... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    Hmmmm... Most start ups fail and end up collapsing completely within a few years!

    Just thought it worth pointing out! ;)

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    1. Re:Hmmmm... by jaypifer · · Score: 1

      And in the case of a startup they have a limited amount of their own money with which to fail. Whereas America's CIO has an unlimited amount of someone else's money. What could go wrong?

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    2. Re:Hmmmm... by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, the ones that are successful are often times bought out by others...

    3. Re:Hmmmm... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Good point.

      USA a division of the Republic of China International

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    4. Re:Hmmmm... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      So you're suggesting that if this guy's plan is successful the U.S. is likely to end up as a wholly-owned subsidiary of China.

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    5. Re:Hmmmm... by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm... Most start ups fail and end up collapsing completely within a few years!

      But in the meantime, there are a ton of perks, including free beer on Fridays. If VanRoekel is going to do that, he has my vote.

    6. Re:Hmmmm... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Unlike the current situation?

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    7. Re:Hmmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm happy to say the US govt. wouldn't have that problem. They were bought out a long time ago!

    8. Re:Hmmmm... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      We're pretty much heading that direction anyway. He's just acknowledging reality and doesn't want to waste time beating around the bush getting there.

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    9. Re:Hmmmm... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant.

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  9. The real solution is to stop being nice. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Stop letting timelines slip and costs rise. Bring some of the work in house instead of letting contractors rape you. I can get rid of those 21 email systems right quick. Build the new system, migrate folks to it. No user input, no predetermined time table, just a phone call telling them their mail has moved.

    1. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I can get rid of those 21 email systems right quick. Build the new system,

      Congratulations. You now have *22* competing email systems.

      migrate folks to it. No user input, no predetermined time table, just a phone call telling them their mail has moved.

      And when you try to pull that on Mister More-Important-Than-You, well, it's government, so you won't be fired. But you won't be migrating any more users, either.

    2. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      No user input, no predetermined time table, just a phone call telling them their mail has moved.

      Wow, I thought you were experienced... I was wrong. Have you ever provided IT services at all? Users are a riot away of making your job useless and painful. They'll start using an alternative system (e.g. paper) and defeat you. I saw that happen a few times.

      Unless you have the full support from your users, or at least their bosses, you won't accomplish anything. And that means pretending they have some measure of control with user inputs and time tables. Nobody likes uncertainty or authoritarianism!

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    3. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Nope, I killed the others, pulled the power cables out.

      Then he has no mail, not my problem.

    4. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Actually I have lots of experience. Users love it, if you are moving them from something that does not work to something that does. People do not want choice, they want things done for them.

    5. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      a phone call telling them their mail has moved.

      You're new here in IT, I can tell. We normally just send them an email with the new POP/SMTP addresses.

    6. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by Sir+Homer · · Score: 1

      "Migrate folks to it" with what authority?

      I assure you the system administrator teams running those 21 other e-mail systems will not let you touch it with a 500 foot poll, and no strong leadership compels them otherwise.

      The problem is this is exactly how those 21 e-mail systems came to be. I bet they all had the idea of becoming the "one corporate e-mail system", but got mired in politics and insanity along the way.

    7. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      He is the CIO, tell them to get with the program or they can get out.

    8. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by Vancorps · · Score: 1

      I think you'll find that the 21 email systems do currently work for the people that use them. They will see no benefit in a minor reconfiguration. You'll also have to work with the people that currently run the 21 other email systems who may not be receptive to losing their jobs.

    9. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If it does work for them, you leave that in place until other problems are dealt with. Either they can help and get a severance or they can be fired sooner and not get one.

    10. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by Aero · · Score: 1

      It's a hierarchy, and one in which things (usually) happen the way they're supposed to in a hierarchy.

      The top CIO can indeed give an order, say "consolidate these email systems". This order is given to the next level of CIO's (it's government, you have CxO's down to the branch level sometimes) who are ultimately responsible for those 21 systems.

      Once the order is given, the top CIO has relatively little say in how those orders are carried out, other than letting the guys below him know that their performance reviews are on the line and occasionally stepping in when things get too nasty. Now you have 21 people fighting each other over how the email systems are to be consolidated. And how many people report to those 21 CIO's? The top CIO has no authority to give direct orders anyone who does not directly report to him. So the people responsible for actually implementing the consolidation are two, three, four, maybe more levels down on the org chart.

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    11. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Nope, I killed the others, pulled the power cables out.

      Then he has no mail, not my problem.

      Your replacement will plug them back in.

    12. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop letting the customer change the requirements and the timelines won't slip (at least not as much).

    13. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      There is your failure. Anytime an org chart gets that deep and wide this is what happens.

    14. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by lennier · · Score: 1

      Then he has no mail, not my problem.

      Well, it's not immediately your problem. And it's the Department of Agriculture, so there might not be Gillian Anderson types turning up on your doorstep in serious suits within five minutes, but they probably do know a few guys with a lot of tractors and access to several cubic miles of liquified cow manure.

      Your decision.

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    15. Re:The real solution is to stop being nice. by lennier · · Score: 1

      with a 500 foot poll

      If the users don't like it, they can vote with their feet!

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  10. Agile like a startup? by netwarerip · · Score: 1

    But aren't most startups woefully underfunded and don't 97% of them fail? Oh, wait.....

  11. Government .. Logic? by tesdalld · · Score: 1

    He does not belong in the government... to much logic with this one.

    1. Re:Government .. Logic? by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

      He doesn't belong in the government because he isn't willing to work with what he has. Wants to just throw everything out and start over. Sorry, we've invested billions and trillions of dollars into what we have. And, contrary to most declarations by people with an axe to grind or an idea to sell, it generally works. Anyone going in there to work needs to start where we are and improve it and do so in a fiscally responsible fashion. I realize that this means this guy won't be able to dish out lucrative contracts to his buddies and the lobbyists that get him laid, but tough shit. The party days are over and we need to get our shit together and the asshats in government (both elected, appointed, and hired) need to figure out that they are not kings or celebrities. They do not deserve and are not entitled to the high life.

  12. Years of acculmulated failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Instead, it took 10, cost $850 million and had to be scrapped after 10 years of development in 2010 because it ended up being useless."

    And Ibet that outfit still got paid to produce utter shit for the D.O.D. ... And they're probably working on current projects to boot.

    As for the D. of Ag. email problem, that sorta thing doesn't happen over night. Try over a decades worth of Congress hamstringing budgets for IT needs, and giving them just enough money not to hang themselves.

    If you take a good look at the Federal Government under a microscope, something we SHOULD BE DOING anyways, you'll see that real necessities are pushed to the end and line-itemed, and trough contracts for 'friend of a friend of a friends companies' are made sure to get the unnecessary necessary project that ends up back at the drawing board. (see example 1 above).

    The Federal Government is a self fullfilling system that is utterly broken. What's WORSE, is the State Governments. If THAT doesn't scare you, nothing will.

    The system, our US system of Government, is broken. Anyone who denys that has never been invovled with it at the microscopic level, or is pandering to a political p.o.v.

  13. completely missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The entire purpose of Government IT Projects is distribution of huge contracts to certain well-connected corporations.

    These projects are, in fact, incredibly successful...

    1. Re:completely missing the point by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      sure, but we're angry they're not pissing money our way

  14. Is that really a bug? by superslacker87 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if I'd call having twenty-one different email systems a bug, but it is definitely inefficient. A bug is something that is an error in a program, not an error in the implementation of a program.

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    1. Re:Is that really a bug? by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if I'd call having twenty-one different email systems a bug, but it is definitely inefficient. A bug is something that is an error in a program, not an error in the implementation of a program.

      I wouldn't necessarily call it inefficient either. Perhaps they have survivability in mind, and these email system numbers were counted as well. One down side of having everything the same platform is it will only take one bug/outage/patch fail to crush the whole system instead of only one part of it.

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    2. Re:Is that really a bug? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

      It may be less efficient than it could be, but as it's not all in one place, it doesn't mean that everyone's email breaks because their centralization efforts didn't include redundancy, so a hurricane takes out all e-mail for every person, no matter where they're located.

      I'd personally be happy if someone could get this *@#!# exchange server that the agency I work for to put appropriate timestamps on messages. If someone down the hall e-mails me, it should use *his* timezone or *my* timezone ... not the one where the server's based.

      (and being able to send e-mail to all his staff ... I wish fewer people had access to that ... or that they'd at least mention which building they're in when they send the 'someone found a pair of glasses in the parking lot').

      But even with consolidation, our group still runs our own mail server, because we have operational stuff running through it, and we can't let some remote outage or a misbehaving spam filter result in something detrimental, like the loss of millions of dollars of hardware. We all have 'official' accounts on the main system that we're required to use on business cards and such, but it's not the only system in use at our agency.

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    3. Re:Is that really a bug? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Having 21 systems could well harm survivability by needlessly increasing complexity. A far smaller number would make more sense. If survivability was a goal then I reckon they screwed up. I'm guessing though it's more likely due to a lack of management across the department. I se the same thing happening in the corporate world when a department decides to reinvent the wheel.

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    4. Re:Is that really a bug? by epine · · Score: 1

      Having a history is inefficient. Startups are gloriously efficient because they are unencumbered by legacy. Legacy is what they strive to achieve, if they survive long enough to get there.

      I think what we really need is a kind of ombudsman who sounds off whenever a project or corporate linkage spreads its tentacles into "too big to fail" territory. The lesson from the private sector is to make failure quick and merciful. The tactics of awarding these big government contracts often contains a sly dose of "pot commitment" following the timeless adage that if you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem. The ruse is to bring this about at a slow simmer and not to get your program busted for corking the bat in the first inning.

      In the private sector this role is handled to some degree by the insurance industry. Certain kinds of overreaching stupidity are impossible to insure. If you're in the private sector and you dream big but you're short on innovation, the government is your only hope. There would be rivers of tears shed in the private sector the morning after the libertarian fairy waves her wand.

    5. Re:Is that really a bug? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You probably just described one of the big reasons USDA has 21 e-mail systems: In a big organization, it's often cheaper and easier to run a parallel system to the "official" system that is broken or useless (as "official" systems tend to be) than to actually use it. Eventually, some of these ad hoc systems might become more "official" because everyone uses them and eliminating them would cause great harm.

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    6. Re:Is that really a bug? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      He's a CxO they're allowed to let buzzwords and technical jargon fly without understanding what they're saying nor scrutiny by those that do. Their jobs are to keep the Microsoft SharePoint team employed and make ignorant folk comfortable while everyone else gets the real work done and occasionally implement the miracles the CxO unwittingly promised.

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  15. changing status quo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is never easy. There will always be people fighting against it, especially the fat cats who profit from these 'closed, monolithic' multi-million dollar projects that end up being useless. Mark my words, this Steven dude is going to have problems overhauling the Federal Government (more so with the Defense Department).

    Besides, there has been endless arguments about Google gradually becoming less 'startupy' as they grow bigger, for lack of a better word. What makes you think an organization as big as the Federal Government will have it any easier?

    Still, I wish Steven good luck though.

  16. Even worse in TFA. by khasim · · Score: 1, Interesting

    From TFA:

    He called on the technologists in the audience to submit their ideas on what those rules should be, and he intends to further crowd source the project for ideas at CIO.gov.

    So ... "disruptive" and "crowd source". Any others?

    âoeGoing forward, we need to embrace modular development, build on open standards, and run our projects in lean startup mode,â he said.

    So the crowd sourced plan will be based on open standards to achieve maximum disruption.

    Instead of having to go to an office to fill out piles of paper, or waiting for months in an inscrutable process for permits to build projects for example, VanRoekel wants to build mobile apps and web sites that let citizens and businesses interact with the government remotely and conveniently during the flow of their daily lives.

    Yes, mobile apps that are crowd sourced should be built on open standards to achieve maximum disruptionability.

    Seriously, if you think that people WANT government to be so involved in their lives that they NEED an app to handle their DAILY interaction with it ... fuck you.

    He's a CIO that's spouting buzz words.

    1. Re:Even worse in TFA. by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Funny

      That is what CIOs do.
      They play golf with the other CxOs and spout shit they do not understand.

    2. Re:Even worse in TFA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to synergize backward overflow.

      I just can't take *anyone* seriously that uses the word "synergy."

    3. Re:Even worse in TFA. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      "disruptive" and "crowd source"...open standards...mobile apps

      Bingo!

    4. Re:Even worse in TFA. by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, if you think that people WANT government to be so involved in their lives that they NEED an app to handle their DAILY interaction with it ... fuck you.

      He never said they need daily interactions with the government. He said he wants to change the process so that the interactions one does need can be done online in a few minutes instead of needing to haul off to some government office, stand in line for an hour and ultimately make a day of it. And people don't have to want it, government is that involved in their daily lives. That is well beyond his control.

      Quite frankly even your cherry-picked quotes are far more valuable than the rest of your post. There is literally not a thing you quoted that is a bad idea or shouldn't be done, you just wanted to try to earn some Slashdot Clever Points by screaming "BUZZWORD! BUZZWORD!" as often as you can, making most of them up as you go and repeating them over and over so it sounds like it's more dense than it is. (Hint: If "open standards" is a buzzword in government to you, you're fucking doing it wrong -- it is EXACTLY what should be happening with our tax dollars.)

    5. Re:Even worse in TFA. by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      "Yes, mobile apps that are crowd sourced should be built on open standards to achieve maximum disruptionability."

      This made me LOL.

      I think you just coined a new word.

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    6. Re:Even worse in TFA. by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't wait for the new TSA app that lets you upload pictures of your junk.

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    7. Re:Even worse in TFA. by idontgno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (Hint: If "open standards" is a buzzword in government to you, you're fucking doing it wrong -- it is EXACTLY what should be happening with our tax dollars.)

      Protip: if a brainless parrot is saying "open standards", and you believe that actually means something, YOU are doing it wrong.

      Acta, non verba.

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    8. Re:Even worse in TFA. by chill · · Score: 2

      So...Rep. Anthony Weiner was just a beta tester? Talk about being harsh on noobs!

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    9. Re:Even worse in TFA. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to synergize backward overflow.

      Isn't that what a compressor bypass valve on a turbocharged car does?

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    10. Re:Even worse in TFA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      TADA! You sir have nailed it on the head.

      I recently had to deal with one of these CIO idiots.. he went off on a building lighting system that it was not LEEDS complaint. and kept spouting terms that keyd me instantly that the idiot went out and search the internet for buzzwords but did not learn what they meant.

      I calmly pointed out in the meeting that he was the one that cut the project budget to remove 90% of the occupancy sensors and removed all dimming loads and replaced them with switched loads to further cut costs. He stood up saying we were incompetent because the executive suites were not turning off automatically at night.

      I calmly pointed out that to save money someone instructed the engineer to remove those suites from the lighting system and instead requested they use normal light switches.... and if he could look at the signature at the bottom that is the person that is responsible for the system not working the way he wanted it to.

      He grabbed the change order from me and looked.... It was his signature.

      This is typical from my experience, not the exception.

    11. Re:Even worse in TFA. by ArundelCastle · · Score: 1

      I just can't take *anyone* seriously that uses the word "synergy."

      Try to be synpathetic about it.

    12. Re:Even worse in TFA. by ArundelCastle · · Score: 1

      I'm cribbing this paragraph from TFA for my resume bullet points. It's glorious.

      On Tuesday, VanRoekel said that he wants to overhaul the federal bureaucracy to become more agile in an age of services delivered via mobile apps, and where information is atomized so that it can be mashed up by anyone to provide deeper insights. He also wants to break down massive multi-year information technology projects into smaller, more modular projects in the hopes of saving the government from getting mired in multi-million dollar failures.

    13. Re:Even worse in TFA. by The+Askylist · · Score: 1
      Compressor bypass valve?

      Waste gate, that's what they were called in my day...

    14. Re:Even worse in TFA. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Nuh uh. A wastegate bypasses the exhaust turbine and controls the boost level. The CBV is on the compressor side and prevents overpressure on throttle lift. A BOV is used in place of a CBV when the application calls for a sweet noise and police attention.

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    15. Re:Even worse in TFA. by nbauman · · Score: 1
    16. Re:Even worse in TFA. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, it needs to be contracted and privatised upon a no bid basis to ensure maximum profitability and minimised usability, with all costs offset in futures and debts subprimed in secondary markets, all set for the next emergency gouge the 99% and enrich the 1% economic stabilisation package.

      They simple rewrite all government accounting software to directly deposit all the tax paid by the 99% directly into the back accounts of the 1%, afterall was everything has be privatised you'll have to pay a toll to take a breath of copyrighted and patented air.

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    17. Re:Even worse in TFA. by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      You forgot their other duty. Their job is to establish partnerships with other technology companies, mandate the use of those company's products internally, regardless of need or suitability, and then grant themselves large bonuses for achieving 'synergies'

    18. Re:Even worse in TFA. by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      It's already in beta, project code name "chat roulette"

  17. Government is not a business. by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Often we see people who failed in business try to get into politics. It's time to stop this -- government is not a business.

    Let's find people who understand government to run ours.

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    1. Re:Government is not a business. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be better if it was run like a business. Nothing the government does is subject to market factors, which means you have WASTE everywhere. Everything the government does is arbitrary based on some person/people's wishes. And if something doesn't work (runs out of money), they just get more money because it is a pet project. They don't need to prove the project useful or show a ROI, they just steal our money at gunpoint and use it however they want.

    2. Re:Government is not a business. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Let's find people who understand government to run ours.

      I for one wish you good luck on your search. Don't forget to write!

    3. Re:Government is not a business. by asylumx · · Score: 1

      I want to mod you insightful but I've already posted. Gov't is not a profit-making endeavor and therefore should not be treated as one. This is why I'm not all about electing an "outsider!"

    4. Re:Government is not a business. by Certhas · · Score: 2

      Where's the evidence for anything you say? It's just ideology. It's the opposite of a pragmatic "what works" approach for the sake of an ideological vendetta that irrationaly glorifies one particular way of organising things.

    5. Re:Government is not a business. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0
      Wait - are you actually advocating the government to be run by insiders? They're the problem, moron. I vote for outsiders whenever I can.

      PS they didn't fail in business - they're usually wildly successful and want a new challenge. My cousin failed in business and is nowhere near any political machine - although being an incompetent, maybe he should apply.

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    6. Re:Government is not a business. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, government is not a business. It has no incentive to be profitable, it is run on ideals rather than results, almost all of its income (taxes) come from its shareholders (voters) yet most of the salary of its board members (congressmen) is paid by external entities with their own agendas (campaign contributions), and since it controls the money supply, it can mask its incompetence with a debt that would have put any other company out of business decades ago.

      If that's what it means to understand government, maybe we should get some people who understand business to run it instead.

    7. Re:Government is not a business. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      I'd settle for someone who simply makes decisions based on logic and reason.

    8. Re:Government is not a business. by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      the problem is gov't thinks it is business, after all, it passes all these regulations, creates all these unelected offices that create more regulations, taxes business and individual income and talks about 'creating jobs'.

      In reality it can only destroy jobs, and here is another example (middle of this audio is a business lady talking her experience having her business disrupted by gov't.)

      How about gov't gets out of business and then business will get out of government?

    9. Re:Government is not a business. by Nemo137 · · Score: 1

      Carly Fiorina and G.W. Bush would both argue against the "wildly successful and looking for a new challenge" theory.

    10. Re:Government is not a business. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key difference is the mandate of government is to serve the people, not to make money.

      That's why government can't be run like a business. Businesses exist to make money. That's their purpose, and that's what all the business knowledge in the world is about. You can't just take that knowledge and throw out the central idea.

    11. Re:Government is not a business. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Oh, so that's it. I had forgotten about BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome. Yes, that means all political leaders are failures - except those who went to university to become politicians. Support the establishment!

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    12. Re:Government is not a business. by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      Wait... so GW Bush wasn't the "establishment"?

      Guess coming from a wealthy family and having your dad as a president doesn't cut it anymore to get into the club, huh?

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    13. Re:Government is not a business. by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      We already have way too many people who understand government running it. That's the problem, in a nutshell.

    14. Re:Government is not a business. by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Nothing the government does is subject to market factors..."

      Not a bug, that's by design -- the free market works great for an economy, and terrible for a government. If you don't believe me, take a trip to Mexico and see how the free market police handle peacekeeping.

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    15. Re:Government is not a business. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh they understand allright. It's all a game of who can get the fattest lobby kickback

    16. Re:Government is not a business. by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      In reality it can only destroy jobs...

      Not sure what reality you're talking about, but in the US the government employs hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.

      The only people out to destroy those jobs are the anti-tax crowd who are squeezing money out of schools, police departments, etc.

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    17. Re:Government is not a business. by Syberz · · Score: 1

      I believe that government SHOULD be a business. It should be run like a not-for-profit organization actually.

      Think about it, those organizations can do a hell of a lot per dollar and contrary to the government, when they have a budget of x$, they spend x$, not x+gazillion$. On top of that, these organizations have the people at heart, not corporations.

      It'll never happen, I know.

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  18. Apostrophes now optional, apparently by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 1

    I didn't realise the Americas were so in sync that they shared a single CIO for both continents.

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    1. Re:Apostrophes now optional, apparently by Mexifries · · Score: 1

      Yes well it's a brave, new New World.

    2. Re:Apostrophes now optional, apparently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  19. election year ramblings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it an election year already?

  20. Truly scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stories like this come out of the government nearly every day. The truly scary thing is that half the people in this country seem to want everything to be run this way.

    And sorry Steve but the government is not a business. If it was we'd have had the pleasure of seeing it go under long ago.

  21. Consolidation vs disruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm all for disrupting inefficiency; but there are some things that we absolutely need to know will continue to have their purpose maintained. Like that branch of the government that is currently responsible for dismantling the nuclear warheads and monitoring what happens with the material afterwards.

    Just saying, "gee, we're not sure what this department is doing anymore" throwing up your arms and eliminating it could be very dangerous down the road when you realize that was an essential part of a process that no one wants to see broken even though very few people are aware it exists!
    g=

  22. Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    So, what he proposes doing is taking 21 systems that currently work, and replacing them with something that, based on history, won't work?

    Good rule of thumb - even if it looks inefficient, if it works, LEAVE IT ALONE!

    After you've fixed everything that does NOT work, then you can start streamlining the things that work but aren't as efficient as you might like.

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    1. Re:Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by robot256 · · Score: 1

      Hey, guess what, NASA is in the process of doing something like this, and it appears to be working. In the last 12 months I've gone from having like 10 different passwords to only 3 or 4, and I love it. Everybody's email addresses went from @blah.derp.nasa.gov to just @nasa.gov. Sure, I have to call the consolidated help line in Mississippi for tech support half the time, but they are well-trained and at least I can actually get some work done instead of constantly resetting passwords and resending emails. The old systems got the job done, but they were far from convenient, and too often I was tempted to work around the system and open security holes. I have no doubt that the 21 Ag department systems don't "just work"--there are 21 different sets of bugs that the users have to remember, and when they switch from one system to another they have to relearn, causing admins headaches every time.

      Henry Ford must have got the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" response to his "horseless carriages" for a long time, right up until people realized just how much of a pain horses really are.

    2. Re:Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      It's freaken email. I've got tens of million emails accounts sitting on a stack of servers that would fit in a single rack and is three way redundant (local mirroring and async over the wan to the DR site). Is it that hard to setup clustered email? We have been dealing with email for over 20 years it's easy to scale out. LDAP for users, config etc. Inbound and outbound AV/SPAM filters IMAP/POP/Webmail/Sync frontends and back end message storage. What are they running exchange? Even that can deal with spreading out the load (it's realy not a bad email platform after you remove the silly gui stuff).

      I would bet they did silly things like used email for inter systems message passing (oracle and the like only supporting email and ftp for so many years as a built in).

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    3. Re:Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by afabbro · · Score: 1

      It's freaken email

      It's probably not "just" email. It's people who have created apps in Lotus Notes, Microsoft Exchange-integrated stuff, mail server X that has special requirement Y because of public law 123.45 which has some privacy rule, mail server Z that has to be audited three times a year, some old Burroughs mainframe that only speaks SMTP and can't authenticate with SASL so it has to have a mail server, and then Betty in Baltimore found out about that server and it was easier to configure ccMail to use it and she spread the word so now there's a galaxy of users all over sending mail through it, and...

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    4. Re:Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by Anguirel · · Score: 1

      Just curious here -- did they maintain legacy address redirects (so if someone does send e-mail to name@blah.derp.nasa.gov, it automatically recognizes that as uniqueified_name@nasa.gov)? From my understanding of most such systems, that shouldn't be hard to manage, I'm just curious if it was done.

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    5. Re:Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Having 21 systems doesn't work. It's solving the same problem 21 times by 21 different teams. It's 21 different anti-virus vendors and 21 different spam filters and 21 different system failures is resolved 21 different ways. That's not even remotely close to "working" that's "barely treading water and costing us billions of dollars unnecessarily every year".

    6. Re:Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      As a current worker at a government installation I can say that we used to have a great email system supported by an excellent local staff. Now we have a 400 MB [*] mail account at some faceless remote service location that could care less about what we do. And I also understand that they spend huge amounts of money on Microsoft Exchange licenses whereas our previous local system was 100% open source.

      [*] 400 Megabytes! What is this, 1998?

    7. Re:Bugs like the 21 email systems in Ag? by robot256 · · Score: 1

      I believe it was. Actually, there a couple other addresses (nicknames) that redirect to my mailbox that I never set up myself, so they apparently got that right too. The only downside is it turns out there are two "John A. Smith"s who work for NASA, one down the hall and one in another state, and because the middle initial is the same it won't autocomplete to the right one. That's a problem we didn't used to have. *sigh*

  23. Congress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you be agile when you have limits on what you can and can't do without direct approval which takes months if not years on end? It's not like a company where a CEO can come in and implement major changes as the board approves the person, not the plan where as in government it's the opposite.

  24. Re:Go for it. by stanlyb · · Score: 2

    And having working at a startup, do you know what is the next step? You are correct, outsourcing to China.

  25. Oh boy by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    So... as agile as say a Google? Which Google? Google the brainstorm of a handful of guys or Google the mega corp with offices all over the world? The agile startup might have been more sexy but it only was capable of things in potentia. It had potential, that was realized as it grew. The snow flake that falls is not an avalanche. Neither can it become one. It can cause one but the moment the snowflake has started on the path to an avalanche it has seized to be a simple snowflake.

    I can whip up a fairly complex website for say a job site but the moment it needs to scale I will need more then myself, the more it needs to scale up, the less flexible it will become. Even if the code itself will remain flexible, the support structure around it will become by its growth less flexible. A oak sprout can easily bent but it can only become a great oak by sacrificing its flexibility for sheer size. Then it doesn't have to be flexible anymore to survive being stepped on. Few things can step on a 1000 year old oak.

    Also, how agile do you want government to be? Agile means fast, do you WANT government to do its requisition process fast? With no procedures to investigate, file complaints? Nobody told early Google how to buy its hardware but experience has shown that when big orders are involved, oversight is desperately needed and oversight is low.

    Government is slow and inefficient because it involves a lot of different interests.

    And what is the alternative anyway? For every Google there are a hundred FAILED startups. Good luck explaining that to the voter, the government funding a 100 different projects and getting commercial results of 99 of them failing. See recent fallout over funding for electric cars and solar panels.

    And big business? Lets see, the American car industry failed miserable and needed the state to help them out... but no doubt republicans will say that came because of all the regulation. This is proven because regulations were removed from the finance industry and they... oh wait... they failed even more massively didn't they. Gosh... private industry small startups fail left and right... big business fails left and right... compared to that, the state ain't doing so badly.

    Anyway, think very carefully what you wish for when you wish for an efficient state. The most efficient form of law and order is to simply kill any offender for any offence. No lengthy trials, no costly jails, no rehabilitation with a near perfect failure rate.

    There were efficient governments in the past. People fought tooth and nail to get rid of them.

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    1. Re:Oh boy by tepples · · Score: 1

      So... as agile as say a Google? Which Google? Google the brainstorm of a handful of guys or Google the mega corp with offices all over the world?

      Agile as an Apple, the world's biggest startup.

      The most efficient form of law and order is to simply kill any offender for any offence.

      The law of Moses didn't use imprisonment. It used the death penalty for the most serious offenses and fines and restitution for less serious ones: the value of an eye for an eye, the value of a tooth for a tooth, etc.

    2. Re:Oh boy by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Agile as an Apple, the world's biggest startup

      Why not, everyone like walled gardens...

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  26. Re:Go for it. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    And having working at a startup, do you know what is the next step? You are correct, outsourcing to China.

    Come on, not all go to China.


    You forgot India.

  27. obxkcd by oGMo · · Score: 1

    Standards.

    And assuming he wants to make it "like a startup" that means small unbureaucratic groups, shoestring budget, and likely to fail. Good luck.

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    1. Re:obxkcd by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Well, you have to admit that it's better than large, bureaucratic groups, a 13-figure budget and almost certain to fail.

       

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  28. The Apple Way by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    This is the Apple way, and there is some merit to it. If you let people have whatever they want, you'll find you have a lot of incompatible requirements. If you give them something that works, they will find ways to do what they need to do, and in the end they'll spend less time futzing with the little known features they originally wanted. It will also significantly reduce the cost to support.

    I scoffed at this way for many years, but now that my hair is a bit grayer I've learned that often the simple tools are the best. Having one system that does everything is very cool, but often it's not practical to build it or economical to maintain it.

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    1. Re:The Apple Way by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You've got a good point except that the thing people in this situation end up getting is usually something that is neither simple nor good.

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    2. Re:The Apple Way by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      You mean like all those Excel spreadsheets being used as databases?

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    3. Re:The Apple Way by citylivin · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Apple doesn't make "simple" tools. They make locked in proprietary unintuitive un-interoperable "solutions" which are wrapped in gobs of marketing so that they stick in peoples brains. That they are simpler to use is purely a marketing invention. There is a learning curve which is the same as any other OS.

      These poorly designed tools, manufactured in china by the lowest bidder will barely last their projected 1-3 year lifetimes. Apple then forces you to buy their crap hardware with little to no other options. Enforced with litigation as a defence for anyone who dares to try and make a hackintosh, or other hack to use decent hardware in them. On top of all that, you are paying a premium for all this!

      A good tool is versatile, durable and dependable. Apple meets NONE of these requirements. You are locked in, on crap quality hardware with forced upgrades and cant even be guaranteed your software from 5 years ago will run on current machines.

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    4. Re:The Apple Way by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      "A good tool is versatile, durable and dependable. Apple meets NONE of these requirements."

      You are conflating good with things that are not necessarily so. A good tool is one that gets the job done. Sometime versatile is a hindrance. A hammer is not particularly versatile, but is a good tool. The iPhone, for it's flaws, is dependable, durable, and moderately versatile.

      You seem to be concerned that the "package" you bought can't be modified, and yet most of the best phones on the market are such, including nearly all land line phones and nearly every non-smart-phone that existed/exists. They are perfectly good appliances. If I wanted to carry around a general purpose computer in my pocket, the iPhone wouldn't make the grade, but as a phone and PDA, it is a reliable (if somewhat limited) tool.

      As for learning curve, it is not the same. Us geeks know the difference, and to do really, really low level stuff it's the same (harder in some cases since you have to jailbreak). For 90% of the phone users out there, the iPhone is simple enough that you can use it immediately, and feel like you're leveraging the technology. The droid series is not quite as intuitive though you might blame that on Verizon's GUI skin.

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  29. Sounds great by werepants · · Score: 1

    More power to him, if he can make it happen. That's a big if, though. It's easy to throw around words about how the government should be, but making that actually happen is a different story.

  30. Only "wasteful" to other constituencies. by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the constituents of Senator X benefit from his demanding that it be built in his district before he'll vote for it ... then he's doing a good job for his constituents.

    This is only "waste" when people outside of his constituency look at it. And only then because it does not directly benefit them.

    Which is why people are pissed at "Congress" but the re-election rate for Representatives and Senators is so high.

    Get rid of the "bad" people in Congress who are grabbing pork for themselves and their districts ... but keep our "good" Congress Critters who are looking out for the best interests of our district.

    1. Re:Only "wasteful" to other constituencies. by AnonGCB · · Score: 1

      You hit the nail on the head.

      The problem is, the congressmen do these things without thinking of where the money will come from, so taxes will need to be raised in some form or another in the future.

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    2. Re:Only "wasteful" to other constituencies. by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      To a certain extent I am not that concerned with the make-work pork found in legislation since it does employ those who would certainly otherwise not be employed. Lets face it, there just aren't enough entrepreneurs to absorb (read employ) all these workers. However, I am concerned that said employment is being squandered on worthless pursuits. Blowing holes in the sand and destroying the infrastructure of other countries comes to mind. So too worthless near $1B software projects such as those being discussed. The US government is one of if not the largest employers of scientists from all disciplines on this planet yet the large majority of which are spending their time figuring out more efficient ways to destroy ourselves. If we're going to "make-work" really we should also "make-productive" and "make-beneficial."

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    3. Re:Only "wasteful" to other constituencies. by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Get rid of the "bad" people in Congress who are grabbing pork for themselves and their districts ... but keep our "good" Congress Critters who are looking out for the best interests of our district.

      How may would that leave, approximately? I'm guessing single digits in Congress, and about three in the Senate.

      As the saying goes: a statesman is a dead politician, and the nation needs more statesmen.

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    4. Re:Only "wasteful" to other constituencies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the constituents of Senator X benefit from his demanding that it be built in his district before he'll vote for it ... then he's doing a good job for his constituents.

      In other words, the best strategy for Prisoner's Dilemma is to unilaterally "Defect"...

  31. Screw the government. by hemna · · Score: 0

    The best way to reform those massive government agencies, is to eliminate them. The Constitution was a limit on government, we should adhere to that ideal.

    1. Re:Screw the government. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Have to eliminate the government's owners and operators along with those massive agencies, otherwise they'll just buy and corrupt what's left.

  32. Too big to succeed by ebunga · · Score: 1

    Government IT projects usually end up too big to succeed. The other issue is that computers make processes too efficient, and government departments never eliminate jobs.

    1. Re:Too big to succeed by vlm · · Score: 1

      The other issue is that computers make processes too efficien

      The other issue is that computers make processes too hard to change, which is how you end up with your "real" corporate standard database being Excel and relational SQL table merges being performed by an intern looking up values and typing them into MS-word. Been there seen it too many times...

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  33. Re:Go for it. by wealthychef · · Score: 2

    Sorry, the next step, statistically, is that you fail. Most startups are failures. It's a risky venture. I think this is the wrong approach. It's just political theatre anyhow.

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  34. Too many stovepipes of varying quality by Quila · · Score: 1

    I studied such as system in the IRS in school, and have worked with some DoD systems live. One problem is too many stovepipes, often dozens. All the data and business processes have to be integrated into the main system without an interruption of service.

    To make it harder, the business processes are often convoluted and the data isn't normalized or even clean. I have seen, literally, layman-made (as in "some dude in the office knew Access and put this together") Access databases holding important information for tens of thousands of people. If the data is about people, even a 1% error rate in conversion means thousands to millions of people complaining. Imagine your tax record is one of the problem records, how it could screw up your life.

    To make it even harder, add the political/contracting component, and often powerful users resistant to moving to a new system.

  35. He's the government's CIO, not the country's by DavidinAla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The headline for this item plays into something that's very dangerous in the long term. This guy isn't "America's new CIO." He is the CIO for a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy that runs the GOVERNMENT of this country. He has no power or influence over the country itself. People frequently indulge in the fiction that we elect a president to "run the country" -- and that leads to people having insane expectations and an insane willingness to turn power over to one man. Calling this guy the country's CIO is a small manifestation of the same mistake.

    1. Re:He's the government's CIO, not the country's by boxless · · Score: 1

      Here, here. If I hear one more time it's Obama's job to 'fix the economy' (or Bush's for that matter, I don't care) I think I'll puke.

      Guess I'll be puking a lot.

  36. Consolidation vs. Independence by Swanktastic · · Score: 2

    This is the see-saw private industry has been on for 50 years. Do you make each unit independent and agile with its own all-powerful General Manager? Do you consolidate similar support organizations (IT, finance) to HQ thereby giving up uniqueness in favor of standardization? Having spent a lot of time with Mgmt Consultants, I can assure you the current kick is towards consolidation. In 10 years, the consultants will be telling us each organization needs the customization which is only capable by rolling out 20 agile, independent installations. I imagine that this CIO is spending a lot of time with IBM guys with dollar signs in their eyes and pushing their make-work agenda.

    What's hilarious is that everyone pretty much understands you give up agility by consolidating back-office functions. The tradeoff is hopefully more cost savings and perhaps better quality/standardization. Saying it will be MORE agile is pretty much a bald-faced lie.

  37. Half way there all ready by erice · · Score: 1

    Most startups spend more then they take in and then finish by going bankrupt. Maybe the federal government is already a startup.

  38. Bribes vs. Extortion Payments by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    Lots of people believe this type of behavior and campaign contributions are bribes. I think they are more like extortion payments.

    Give us a cut or nothing gets done.

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  39. But but... by rthille · · Score: 1

    Most startups fail.

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  40. CIO speak by isotope23 · · Score: 1

    He needs to synergize the efficiencies of the current group dynamic to maximize ROI within a mobile framework
    of outsourced in-scope cloud computing over the coming disruptive quarterly strategic marketing blitz.

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    1. Re:CIO speak by Code+Yanker · · Score: 1

      Keep going I haven't got BINGO yet.

  41. Mod parent up. by khasim · · Score: 1

    Government is for handling the jobs that business is not efficient or effective enough to handle.

    Business is good for running things that can turn a profit in a competitive environment.

    Do not confuse the two.

    1. Re:Mod parent up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But all too often, they do things under the government umbrella that should be driven by private enterprise. Instead of trying to make government like private enterprise, why just let the private enterprise operate these facets of government. Running a mail server doesn't require government control ... despite what they tell you.

  42. 21 email systems isn't so uncommon by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

    I've seen this sort of problem before in bigger organizations before - many branch offices run like their own companies, have their own data center (a bunch of servers in a cube).

    Granted its a bigger problem in public institutions mainly because good technicians who know how to setup top level IT services like centralized email services and the authentication/directory systems tied to them are working at places that pay better.

    Having worked for the State of Oregon - its quite common here, but getting better (because there are a lot of really qualified IT people who can use work, and are willing to work at lower wages the State pays).

    Fixing this doesn't mean "disruptive, startup like development" - it demands someone centralize authentication and identity (that would be the hard part really), cleanup namespace collisions that are inevitable with merging 21 email servers, setting up aliases and mail routing so stuff doesn't get bounced from deprecated domains, and migrating all that mail to a new cluster of machines. There - I made a plan for some enterprising new project manager for the department of agriculture.

    1. Re:21 email systems isn't so uncommon by PPH · · Score: 1

      There - I made a plan for some enterprising new project manager for the department of agriculture.

      And if he/she could round up a group of IT people to execute the plan, all would be well.

      But this will have to go out to bid. If AG IT tries it in house, some IBM or EDS will lobby the legislature to cut the department budget until they don't have the people to do the work any longer. Then, they'll gladly step in to bid on the project. But it won't be per your (simple) plan. The legislators that cut that budget will tack their own requirements on to the system. And they'll be there with the winning bidder to smile and cut the ribbon on a new half billion dollar data center.

      I don't really have a grudge against the vendors for doing this. After all, that's their business. What I do have a problem with is the legislators who don't go to prison following such shenanigans. We've got the technology to track that one errant Lady Gaga download to your house. But we can't seem to track a senator to a vacation in Aruba to meet with industry contacts. Why is that?

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  43. Already a startup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Case in point:

    Social Security: still in beta
    IRS: Written too fast, too messy
    DoD: Too many features, poor user experience
    3 branches of congress: Bloatware

    Of course, if it were NOT a startup it would be like Apple:
    a. A bit too expensive/overrated
    b. great user experience
    c. Has a slew of fanboys.

  44. Retirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But where will all the retirees work after they are determined to be useless? Isn't a government job just suppose to be a part-time retirement home?

  45. 90% of startup-ness is people. by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    Worked in a start up for a brief while. It really was a whole other world compared to the average cubical farm IT office. It's a bit more than installing some retro arcade machines, designer couches and having a bar serving liqour all day. It's all about people. There was a certain kind of person in the work place and the work place was conducive to a certain kind of creative think-on-your-feet attitude. Without all the process and procedure of a corporate IT, there was a lot less paper pushing and a lot more getting stuff done for the client. The big boss even had a "making work is not making money" policy and encouraged sparing use of conventional administrative process. Everyone was motivated, stuff got done. It all was a bit of an ad hoc mess that would not scale well to a larger office with some adjustment, but it was bloody brilliant.

    If you want to have your large enterprise or government as agile and efficienct as a start up you need a complete overhaul of how people think and act in your organisational culture. It's not impossible but it's bloody difficult, as you have to throw out 90% of how everything is done right now.

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  46. Open Source Model and Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We worked with the government and industry partners to develop a federal secure messaging standard called Nationwide Health Information Network (NwHIN) Direct. For this initiative, which the Office of the National Coordinator for Health IT (ONC) announced in early 2010, we were able to go from inception to production in less than a year. For a federal IT standard, that has to be a record. The reason for the pace and success was an open source approach to the problem.

    I hope we continue to see more of this.

  47. They're called "lobbyists" by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

    Let's find people who understand government to run ours.

    Those people are called "lobbyists" and they already run the government, because ours is a system where corporate executives and government policy makers cooperate for mutual advantage. And so long as there is a financially rewarding level of political power out there to wield, this will continue to be the arrangement.

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  48. Not the contractors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop letting timelines slip and costs rise. Bring some of the work in house instead of letting contractors rape you. I can get rid of those 21 email systems right quick. Build the new system, migrate folks to it. No user input, no predetermined time table, just a phone call telling them their mail has moved.

    I'll post anonymously for obvious reasons.

    I work for a small company that landed a big government contract (well, big for us, I hear we're really small potatoes where they're concerned). Our project has a forever slipping timeline, and forever rising costs. Here's the kicker: we're not trying to rape the government for our benefit. We're small, we're trying to build a good reputation, and we'd very much like to deliver our product as cheaply as possible as quickly as possible.

    So, why haven't we? Well, here's the workflow. We meet with the clients and agree on software specs and a deadline for a demo, and a further deadline for the project. So we complete most of our objectives, and meet with them to demo the system. They look at it, they like the concept, but they have thirty new ideas, some related to the original project, some that are exactly opposite what was originally on the specs, some that are just completely new and wasn't in the horizon at all! So they ask us if we can do it. We say, 'sure, but that's not what we agreed on, we can't do it by the date we agreed, and it's going to cost more money.' They reply, "no problem, just file form blah for an extension." And that's only half the story. Here's the kicker: a lot of what they ask for are implementations of products that already exist and are out there in the market. We tell them that, but they want their own branded version that is very specific to what they do. What does "specific to what they do" mean in this context? Their own terminology used for names of things, and maybe slightly better integration (using one tool instead of two). Mostly, they just suffer from an extreme case of "not-invented-here" syndrome. They want to deal with something that was developed from the ground up for them, they don't want to adapt to existing products.

    Basically, it's not always the contractor's fault. We're dealing with a client that gives us ever-changing specs, but who don't seem to suffer any penalties from the resulting ever-increasing costs, so they don't think twice about changing the specs. It's not that we're trying to fleece them, it's that they're telling us, "here, take this money and build us this thing designed by a committee of people who can't agree on what it is that we want and therefore will never be happy with what you finally deliver."

    We complain that government agencies use proprietary software like Microsoft Word but, based on my experience, I'm surprised different agencies haven't commissioned their own word-processor software. A different one for each agency, each with their own file format. How would they communicate? Well, someone will commission for the creation of software that can translate between the different formats, of course.

    1. Re:Not the contractors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too am involved in a small company that gets big government contracts as well as large corporate clients, and this has been my experience as well. It's amazing how eager they are to just throw more money into the mix. This includes one organization in particular that was heavily bailed out. After being silent for months, the phones ring and they're throwing bucket loads of cash our way. Not only our way, but they were also spending money on many other projects as well. This is great for us, however it is certainly at the expense of the tax payer and the customers and shareholders of the large corporations.

      In short, the people who are in charge of negotiating these prices with the vendors are simply not shrewd enough! Who are these people that make these decisions? Until these people are held accountable, nothing is going to change.

  49. Try this on for size... by Genda · · Score: 1

    How about this for an idea, Create a Raft of Open Source Projects ultimately representing 99.99% of the operating software upon which the government will run. Implement it for each of the Governments many departments resources. Have them all sit on an Open Source Information Framework which efficiently allows the vast government bureaucracy to interact and interrelate with ease and simplicity. Have that resource designed to easily provide transparency, accessibility and communication with the Citizens of the United States.

    Close the 0.01% of the government's operating software to develop a security application which is proprietary and provides the government with the ability to protect national secrets and critical national infrastructure (it is a worthwhile endeavor to protect key pieces of national infrastructure from cyber-attack or malicious hacking.) Do this activity last (up to that point fire-walling and isolating classified material and resources from the rest of the system) and have the developers for that software come from the pool of "Best of Breed" proven developers from the Open Source first 99.99% projects. Then once implemented, create a small nonpartisan committee whose job is to make certain that national secrets are indeed national secrets and not just cover-ups for congressional and/or executive misconduct.

    Finally, pay the top 10% of the developers and managers with increasing tax incentives for their contribution.Then when US-GOV 1.0 is released, publish the names of the top managers and developers as national heroes, and hold a PBS televised gala at the Kennedy Center in their honor for their patriotism and contribution to all Americans.

    You'll save a couple hundred billion dollars, get the job done in one percent of the time, have true transparency in government and be able to endlessly improve the operating software (as it should be), as technology improves and new talent arrives to take up the challenge. Best of all you connect the government with the people, democratize the government's operation, allowing the people to fully participate in its function and performance at the level of infrastructure.

    I can hardly imagine a greater opportunity, or a better way to accomplish such a sweeping social project. Just as a side note, pick a ring master for this circus with a little experience, a man whose already accomplished something comparable. Perhaps someone whose first name is Linus?

  50. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DIMHRS?

    Isn't that pronounced Dimmers?

  51. Re:Go for it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like the government, excepts its fails continuously, fuelled by tax money... or more accurately debt.

  52. 21 email systems within Ag Dept. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    "Monolithic." I don't think that word means what you think it means.

    1. Re:21 email systems within Ag Dept. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No, they do. In order to exchange email between these 21 systems, they inscribe it on a menhir which is passed back and forth between field offices until they run out of space, at which point it is seasoned with BBQ sauce and sent to Somalia as part of our foreign aid program.

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    2. Re:21 email systems within Ag Dept. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Forget Government Cheese. I want some of that sweet and tangy Government BBQ Limestone Communication Media!

  53. In the "new" new government web presence: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    I thought we already had Government 2.0.

    Is this a new release or just a bug fix?

  54. VCs take over, sell out, retire to private island? by vlm · · Score: 2

    Americas New CIO Wants To Disrupt Government and Make It a Startup

    In other words he wants the VCs to take over and run the place into the ground, cook the books, sell out, and finally retire to a private island.

    Rare to see such honesty from a man in government. Sounds paleo-conservative since thats how the govt has been run all my life...

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  55. BOHICA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What vendor selling what product is behind this?
    Want to see things that work and are cheap+agile? Tell us to do X with what we've got.
    Want to see a huge mess? Let the contractors go to lunch with the PHB and sell them things they don't understand and don't do the job. Of course they have consultants for some ungodly fee to try and "help"

    A government IT guy...........

  56. Lot's of big plces are loaded with outdated / diff by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and or many systems doing the same thing and Consolidation is hard to make it work right. When working with Big implementations it's very easy to hit road blocks / cut corners and fail to plan for all out comes.

    Also contractors / sub contractors add lot's of over head and buck passing that just slows stuff down even more.

    Look at comcast they are made of many other systems that over the years be came part of one big cable system and even then things are very differnt in each region so it's easy to say we can save by Consolidation but you can try and fail, Do it and then find out things worked better the old way, and end up just pushing it back when the first round of test roll outs fail.

  57. Re:Go for it. by alamandrax · · Score: 1

    Or you make a good product with a single killer feature, establish a decent customer base and get acquired by a larger monolithic company.

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  58. I want to see him... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

    I want to see him synergize the potentials of win-win scenarios to maximize ROI on buzzword ideation... just like a real CIO. Obligatory Dilbert, and excuse me while I vomit for a little while.

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  59. Better Title by cthlptlk · · Score: 2

    America's New CIO is a Buzzword-Slinging Douche

  60. Doesn't he know the majority of startups fail? by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    So, Steven VanRoekel wants to run the federal government's IT infrastructure more like a startup.

    Is he aware that the majority of startups fail?

    On top of that, Federal worker bees have been under a pay/hiring freeze for several years, and generally do not receive competitive pay even in good times. To make up for this, they do have stronger job security than their counterparts in the private sector. But this is antithetical to how startups work. With startups, everyone knows going in that it is a high-risk, high-reward proposition. Our federal government cannot and should not operate that way.

  61. Unfortunately, that is literally illegal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/procurement_fairact/
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a076_a76_incl_tech_correction/

    This goes back to the Eisenhower administration in 1966 (arguably, back to Harding in 1921, really). Anything not "inherently Governmental in nature" must be put out to private bid. To make matters even more fun, those private bids must be revisited every five years to ensure maximum "disruption." While this was merely administration policy for most of the last century, in 1998 under the FAIR act, it became law.

    It would literally take an act of Congress to allow even the most inconsequential dusty corner of the most useless department to bring damn near anything in-house. In fact, the more inconsequential and useless the department, the harder it is to do so.

  62. hmm by geekoid · · Score: 1

    the project was meant to take seven years to develop. Instead, it took 10, cost $850 million and had to be scrapped after 10 years of development in 2010 because it ended up being useless.'"

    soooo just like in corporations then?

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  63. Only ourselves to blame by del_diablo · · Score: 1

    Ok, then here is the simple and easy question: How you stop either of the 2 big parties from getting Ca 50% of the cotes?
    Most of the people in the goverment stays in the goverment because the amount of seats barely changes.
    Protip; Unless there is a political reform, you CAN'T change those seats, because nobody in poltics is accountable, and nobody of the people voting has a memory lasting longer than half a year.

    1. Re:Only ourselves to blame by lennier · · Score: 2

      Ok, then here is the simple and easy question: How you stop either of the 2 big parties from getting Ca 50% of the cotes?

      Simple and easy answer: Have either of them do something that 50% of the voting public don't like.

      But it appears that the voting US public don't actually dislike big-party politicians nearly as much as they pretend to, or they'd vote for minority parties - or do what the Tea Party did and create their own in-party wing. Thing is, when a minority does do what the Tea Party did and achieves power within a majority party, a lot of other mainstream voters complain loudly that the minority-view is evil, insane and the worst thing since sliced Hitler. Or, on the other political axis, if the Occupy Wall Street folks go outside the party system and make a ruckus in the street, mainstream liberal America tut-tuts them as nice but misguided kids who'll grow out of it.

      Ergo, it seems that the simplest answer is the best one: that the majority of US voters really don't share your opinion that the majority parties disenfranchise them, and in fact that R and D have near 50% popularity each precisely because middle-of-the-road politics is exactly what most of the public want right now.

      Maybe it's disappointing to hear that? Maybe you really think 99% of the country is actually a seething mass of revolution starving in front of their iPads and cable HDTVs and begging for a strong Tumblr voice to lead them to freedom? But what if it isn't, and Mrs & Mr Middle Mosteverytown really just aren't that into politics, because by and large, it leaves them alone, gets bills paid, delivers the mail, keeps gas prices down, and does most of the boots-stomping-on-human-faces in dusty foreign countries where they don't speak English?

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    2. Re:Only ourselves to blame by HotBBQ · · Score: 1

      The answer is quite straight forward...don't vote Republican or Democrat. Or, nominate Democrats or Republicans you actually have, you know, sound ideas to solve our problems. This of course requires the will of the governed.

  64. Oh, not again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I had a dime for every time some businessman-turned-politician says something like "government should be run like a business," I'd be in the 1%. It's usually code for gutting regulations, failing dramatically, and subcontracting it out until it really IS run by private for-profit businesses more interested in lining their pockets than meeting whatever mandated government function they've taken over.

    I shouldn't need to point out any of the dozens of reasons government is totally different from business. You can't fire your citizens, but your citizens can fire you. You can't pay the top brass millions. You can't dodge the regulations, and you're not supposed to make a profit. You can get a bunch of outside investment. You can't refused to pay back the loans when you fail. You can't claim the paperwork is a person and deflect all the blame from yourself.

  65. Re:Full of BS by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Disruptive would be telling the IP Lobby to GTFO. But that won't happen, so he's not really planning on being disruptive.

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  66. 21 email systems? by Pirulo · · Score: 1

    what's wrong in using dreamhost for email?

  67. Google the Government! by pro151 · · Score: 1

    Just put the whole Government on Google Apps. Problem solved.

  68. Extremely divorced from reality by dbIII · · Score: 1

    As population increases we need improvements in agriculture, in fact that's the only reason the "population bomb" situation didn't already happen becuase the Chinese and Indians got their agricultural act together. Private enterprise is not enough to improve that situation alone.

  69. All Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The falicy for the last 30 years is that "Government should be run like a business."

    All WRONG!

    I don't want the biggest asshole jerk for President like Barak Obama.

    A human being for President is what is needed.

    And All Government posts must be voted on ... at large election nation wide ... not appointed by the President.

    To reform the Government,
    1) take away Executive Orders from the President (if the President issues a "Secret" Executive Order, then the President has committed Treason and is subject to Death Sentence without appeal when found guilty by jury of peers)
    2) take away Appointment Power (even submitting Appoints to Congress for approval is banned)
    3) make the President of the USA legally bound to ALL Local, State, and Federal Law (the President can not us the Office to indulge in carnal acts and arts) like the current occupier.

    Then make an example of the President, by arrest and incarceration following a Legal Complaint, and then death by hanging, in public on the National Mall.

    ++++++++++++++++!

  70. Like a startup 'eh? by plurgid · · Score: 1

    Like a startup 'eh?

    So we'll be letting any 20-something with a roll of duct tape and an unreasonably high opinion of their "skillz" build our national infrastructure based essentially on ideas gleaned from blog postings and google search results? I guess we'll also be spending billions on smoke, mirrors and fast-talking slick executives in a bid to be acquired by China at all costs?

    hot damn! sign me up! I'm an expert at this shit!

  71. mod parent up by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Government contractors are public robbery... Not sure what to call what the banks do to us...

    These business MBA people are worse than the religious nuts-- unfortunately we never established a separation of business and state! All our big problems today in the world are business linked -- in the past religion was a huge problem for governments so people learned to separate them; I wonder if we'll learn this next lesson??

    A real CIO solution:

    Create the Computer Core (or some other name, obvious geek squad is taken) with a student worker program, all open source and all free.

    Hire the best and brightest at stable and HIGH pay - instead of the going rate with good benefits.

    A government non-profit similar to PBS or like the USPS was but funded by charging government offices for their services; it can also run at a loss (since it serves gov and is payed by gov it's at a loss anyhow.)

    It would be barred from being forced to pay pensions 50+ years in advance (which the GOP did to the US postal service to create a fake debt so they can try to break it up; the USPS is not in financial trouble, BTW.)

    A formal process would be devised for software specifications; because 1 of the big problems with soft dev and government is that the requirements are a moving target! Gov clients would be contractually locked in; no moving targets; in fact, most design work should also be removed from those lawyers too.

    Student lawyer group; gain experience suing gov offices for bad contracts and corruption. Tech scams are rampant and tech makes great cover for old fashioned corrupt contract deals.

    Since management is MOSTLY the problem in any organization public or private; it would be difficult to design a system by which to attract and keep good management-- one method that seems to work ok is to only promote from within. I also don't see why we can't have democratically run organizations; where the workers get to vote -- as opposed to a top-down authoritarian model we seem to love so much (more each year.)

    Your city, your state, your elementary schools--- all have the SAME website needs. Much of their other software as well. WHY do their office PCs need upgrades?? they don't.

  72. Government needs something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The IT costs of the federal government are absurd. The super committee wanted to consolidate federal data centers and SAVE 20$ billion per year. Think about that for a sec. 20 Billion is more than google, Microsoft, Facebook, twitter, amazon, and probably the entire fortune 500 spend on data centers every year, and thats just the savings. The problem here is that a military hr system isn't like building a corporate hr system. There are bazillions of laws, departmental regulations, policies, international treaties (yep) cover concerns, credential management, and other stuff that makes it a complicated proposition, and quite frankly, dod has crappy knowledge management as to what the requirements are and why.

  73. A 10 year project involving computers is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because by the time you get to year 3 all of the hardware, technologies, and operating systems are obsolete, and the coding probably hasn't even started. A project like that would be released today on Server 2000, SQL 2000, and Windows XP base edition and programmed in Delphi.

    If you want a big HR system, you probably would want to partner with someone like ADP and work with them to duplicate their system but internally for the government. They have a working solution that does what you need, don't reinvent the damned wheel.

    The problem is that the government puts out RFPs for their projects that are 200 pages long, have minority ownership requirements and a company spends 200 or more man hours responding to the RFP and someone else underbids them by $1, then they lose all of the effort they put into the project. Therefore they just pass on the project.

  74. I am USDA Fed by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

    I am a developer who has worked at several Agencies in USDA and been thru a variety of e-mail system changes. It's the same old same old. The folks at the top want standardization without wasting any time on requirements. I remember once when they took WordPerfect away because USDA was going completely to Word. Good idea, except legislators in State governments and in Congress demanded WordPerfect attachments, not Word attachments and the legislators didn't really care about some lame USDA memo from some lame USDA CIO wannabe.

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