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Minor Quakes In the UK Likely Caused By Fracking

Stirling Newberry writes "Non-conventional extraction of hydrocarbons is the next wave of production, including natural gas and oil – at least according to its advocates. One of the most controversial of the technologies being used is hydraulic fracture drilling, or 'fracking.' Energy companies have been gobbling up Google ad words to push the view that the technology is 'proven' and 'safe,' while stories about the damage continue to surface. Adding to the debate are two small tremors in the UK — below 3.0, so very small – that were quite likely the result of fracking there. Because the drilling cracks were shallow, this raises concerns that deeper cracks near more geologically active areas might lead to quakes that could cause serious damage."

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  1. Groundwater by vossman77 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not to mention its potential impact on local groundwater:

    http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwater/uic/class2/hydraulicfracturing/index.cfm

    1. Re:Groundwater by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 3, Interesting

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZ4LQSonXA This isn't what I had in mind when I asked for 'firewater'

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    2. Re:Groundwater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/09/fracking-methane-flammable-drinking-water-study_n_859677.html

    3. Re:Groundwater by Azghoul · · Score: 2

      And you believe it's all because of natural gas drilling. Sucker.

    4. Re:Groundwater by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My brother in law works on a rig. Last month his crew got a hammerbit stuck in the hole. They pumped hundreds of barrels of "soap" and water into the hole to try to free it. This well was communicating with others which started to leak this fluid. So now you have gas wells that are 50 years old pumping lubricating fluid instead of gas. Since that is another company, they will likely get sued. Had it been a water well they homeowner might not have the resources to do that. They ended up using explosives to free the pipe but they lost the bit and a few collars. The rig started to sink due to the vast amount of fluid pumped into the ground. How much environmental study was involved in all that?

    5. Re:Groundwater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course, there are parts of the world where people routinely fire automatic weapons into the sky in celebration. Those bullets all have to land somewhere and there's a potential for that somewhere to be a kid's head. Does it actually happen often? I'll be honest, I don't know, it's not relevant to my point. The point I'm making is that, until one of those bullets falls into one of their own kids' skulls, the guys firing the guns don't care about the potential for it to happen, just like you don't seem to care about the potential damage we're doing to a required resource.

      Oh sure, they can angle their guns away from occupied areas, but that doesn't stop the winds hundreds of feet above from carrying the bullets back into the crowd. Likewise, a series of environmental studies can indicate that there is enough soft earth between the rock being fracked and the rock surrounding the water supply, but that doesn't stop the shockwave from fracking one rock from traveling through that soft earth, right to a weak spot or crack in those rocks acting as a barrier/container for the water supply. What happens then?

      Yes, everything can look solid from the surface; shallow digging can only show us the outer surface of the rock, sonogram, and x-ray can only give us a top-down view. There may be faults below the surface that can only be noticed from other angles, from which we can not observe; in fact, it is much more likely that we would miss a fault and it is that we would notice it, simply given the fact that there are many more angles from which we can NOT examine the subject than there are angles from which we can.

      If you still don't care about the potential damage, I've got a bridge to sell you. Don't worry, I'm only potentially scamming you, it hasn't been proven yet.

    6. Re:Groundwater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZ4LQSonXA

      This isn't what I had in mind when I asked for 'firewater'

      The movie Gas Land has been discredited and this particular water source had Nat gas in it BEFORE fracking began. They are called hissing wells; water wells that are also souces of nat gas. If anything Fracking will improve the water source since it is removing the nat gas. Peddle your propaganda elsewhere.

    7. Re:Groundwater by microbox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah right. Google for affirming gasland. I read through some of the arguments from each side, and it looks like a canonical example of astroturffing by well funding public relations firms.

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    8. Re:Groundwater by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The movie Gas Land has been discredited

      Kinda like how people arguing for the existence of climate change, evolution, and the link between tobacco and cancer have been "discredited?"

    9. Re:Groundwater by operagost · · Score: 2

      No, kinda like people arguing that we could never fly faster than sound were discredited.

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  2. Even with a major earthquake by koan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even with a major earthquake occurring because of "fracking" it's a non-issue compared to the damage done to the water table by the chemicals used in the process, toxic for centuries afterwards.

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    1. Re:Even with a major earthquake by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gas reserves are far below water tables in complete different strata...five thousand to 20,000 feet, far , far deeper than any aquifer.

      But you keep drinking that Kool Aid.

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    2. Re:Even with a major earthquake by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yea, 'cause you don't have to drill through that first, and there's no chance that raising the pressure below could force things just under the water table up into it.

      It might not be as bad as 'the sky is falling' folks claim, but it isn't good either.

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    3. Re:Even with a major earthquake by sycodon · · Score: 2

      All wells are sleeved.

      Think about it, you spend all this money drilling a well thousands and thousands of feet to reach whatever you are after and you'd just let seep away into sand formations on the way up?

      Then there's the pesky thing about the hold collapsing on itself when you withdraw the drilling pipe.

      ALL wells use casing.

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    4. Re:Even with a major earthquake by Shompol · · Score: 2
      The study you linked refers to drilling, not fracking specifically. It only covers 180 houses in a very narrow area, and does nothing to explain known incidents, nor does it even acknowledge them. Here's a "short" list of some known pollution issues:

      There are, however, documented incidents of contamination. In 2006 drilling fluids and methane were detected leaking from the ground near a gas well in Clark, Wyoming; 8 million cubic feet of methane were eventually released, and shallow groundwater was found to be contaminated.[22] In the town of Dimock, Pennsylvania, 13 water wells were contaminated with methane (one of them blew up), and the gas company, Cabot Oil & Gas, had to financially compensate residents and construct a pipeline to bring in clean water; the company continued to deny, however, that any "of the issues in Dimock have anything to do with hydraulic fracturing".[25][21] A Duke University study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2011 examined methane in groundwater in Pennsylvania and New York states overlying the Marcellus Shale and the Utica Shale. It determined that groundwater tended to contain much higher concentrations of methane near fracking wells, with potential explosion hazard; the methane's isotopic signatures and other geochemical indicators were consistent with it originating in the fracked deep shale formations, rather than any other source.[26] Complaints from a few residents on water quality in a developed natural gas field prompted an EPA groundwater investigation in Wyoming. The EPA reported detections of methane and other chemicals such as phthalates in private water wells.[27] In Pavillion, Wyoming, the EPA discovered traces of methane and foaming agents in several water wells near a gas rig, though it suggested these chemicals might have come from cleaning products.[25] In DISH, Texas, elevated levels of disulphides, benzene, xylenes and naphthalene have been detected in the air, alongside numerous local complaints of headaches, diarrhoea, nosebleeds, dizziness, muscle spasms and other problems. Epidemiological studies that might confirm or rule out any connection between these complaints and fracking are virtually non-existent. Individuals "smell things that don't make them feel well, but we know nothing about cause-and-effect relationships in these cases."[28] In Garfield County, Colorado, another area with a high concentration of drilling rigs, volatile organic compound emissions increased 30% between 2004 and 2006; during the same period there was a rash of health complaints from local residents. The health effects of VOCs are largely unquantified, so any causal relationship is difficult to ascertain; however, some of these chemicals are suspected carcinogens and neurotoxins.[22] Investigators from the Colorado School of Public Health performed a study in Garfield regarding potential adverse health effects, and concluded that residents near gas wells might suffer chemical exposures, accidents from industry operations, and psychological impacts such as depression, anxiety and stress. This study (the only one of its kind to date) was never published, owing to disagreements between community members and the drilling company over the study's methods.[28] In 2010 the film Gasland premiered at the Sundance Film Festival. The filmmaker claims that chemicals including toxins, known carcinogens, and heavy metals polluted the ground water near well sites in Pennsylvania, Wyoming, and Colorado.[29]

    5. Re:Even with a major earthquake by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      interesting to hear from the other side...

      the key word here is "responsibly" though.

      responsibly run nuke plants are safer than any other form of power (as the stats thrown around this and many other threads appear to show).

      only problem is when large amounts of money are involved, human error seems to increase.

  3. Not Even Peer Reviewed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Really Slashdot? You could not wait until at least peer review?

    "The report is now entering peer review. "We want it to subjected to maximum scrutiny; it's not in Cuadrilla's interest to discover a problem down the road," Smith says."

  4. Ignorance out in full force again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oy. Both the EPA and GWPC have said that there is no proven link between fracking and contaminated groundwater. 99% of what is sent into the earth is plain, non-potable water. The other 1% is made up of various chemicals of varying toxicity, the most toxic two chemicals making up about 0.1% of the hundreds of thousands of gallons of liquid sent down.

    The case correlating fracking to groundwater contamination is as strong as Jenny McCarthy's claims correlating vaccines to autism. /Geologist who works for a major oil company.

    1. Re:Ignorance out in full force again... by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      /Geologist who works for a major oil company.

      So you're obviously a non-biased source.

    2. Re:Ignorance out in full force again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OP here. So the Environmental Protection Agency and Ground Water Protection Council are biased in favor of big oil? My comments are based on THEIR studies, not my own, not my employer's.

      Please, explain your brilliant reasoning or is it just a big government conspiracy?

      Amazing that the most ignorant comments get modded up. Group-think at its finest.

    3. Re:Ignorance out in full force again... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      No conspiracy, but normal regulatory capture. Happens with near every other government regulatory agency/

    4. Re:Ignorance out in full force again... by toastar · · Score: 2

      /Geologist who works for a major oil company.
      So you're obviously a non-biased source.</quote>

      So who am I to believe, The guy who spent 10 years getting his masters, or the guy who just spent 2 hours watching a movie?

      It really is basic Geology, Ask someone from the USGS if you really want an unbias source. Seriously give them a call.

      For example, The Marcellus Shale, ranges from a depth of 3000-7000 feet. The thing is Freshwater usually only goes down a few hundred feet. According to the DNCR the brine freshwater contact ranges from 200-1000 feet. http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/topogeo/education/es3.pdf.

      So You would at the very least need a 2000ft fault, But in more realistic cases you'd have to have a migration path of about 4000-5000ft.

      What's scary is more along the lines of the drilling company fucking up and not casing the well right or something and the gas traveling up the well bore and into the water table. Of course this would be a major fuck up(Think Macondo).

  5. Re:Releasing pent up energy by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    I never thought of England as an earthquake zone. Also my understanding is that fracking causes earthquakes by collapse of underground layers whereas normal earthquakes as caused by sudden movements of tectonic plates. Not exactly the same thing.

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  6. Re:Quake in DC by Azghoul · · Score: 2

    Your guess is based on ignorance and fear. Thanks for remaining anonymous so no one would goof on your unscientific beliefs.

  7. Just the First Confession by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2

    It's surprising that this petrofuel corp is admitting anything at all. The truth will turn out to be even worse, as these energy corps always hide and lie as long as physically possible. They use the same PR corps that kept tobacco's death and destruction officially secret and off the liability lists for generations.

    Soon enough we'll hear about even more damage the drill babies know they're doing. And then eventually, if we don't stop this destructive profit extraction, we'll hear about all the other damage they insisted on ignoring. But of course then it will be too late to matter. Which is always the drill babies' main strategy.

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    1. Re:Just the First Confession by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2

      You're a liar, as the other posts citing research showing fracking damage amply demonstrate. Here you're using the weasel words "no unexpected effects" from fracking. So now it's safe to assume that oil corps expected the damage.

      I'm certainly not going to base my views on your 44 word Anonymous Coward Slashdot shallow denial. Except my view that you're a liar.

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  8. RTFA? Not unless you pay by tepples · · Score: 2

    Really Slashdot? You could not wait until at least peer review?

    By the time an article gets peer-reviewed, it's often put under a paywall.

  9. Re:Releasing pent up energy by 0123456 · · Score: 2

    Why wouldn't you want to do it the careful less damaging way (excluding other factors like contamination, which is outside the bounds of the analogy)?

    Because it makes money for EVIL OIL COMPANIES!

  10. Re:Quake in DC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    First off, it wasn't a DC quake, it was a Mineral, VA quake that was felt in DC. Second, there is a history of earthquakes in the area dating back to colonial times. Third, there was no fracking going on in the area.

  11. Re:Releasing pent up energy by trout007 · · Score: 2

    You are right. The headline should say it triggered an earthquake not caused.

    I've suggested lubricating fault lines as a means to eliminate earthquakes. I am a mechanical engineer and earthquakes are a variation of a type of movement known as stick slip. It happens where you have seals like pistons. You have a static coefficient of friction much higher than the dynamic. So force and energy is stored up in your system trying to overcome the static friction. Once it starts moving the system lurches rapidly releasing the energy. They key to getting rid of it is reducing the friction. Better seals like Teflon can help as can lubrication in some applications.

    If you pumped a slurry mixture into a fault line and keep pressure on it it will cause it to slip. We can't prevent the stress from building but we can control the release. The only trouble is the first time you release the energy you have no idea how it will behave. This should be studied in remote places like Alaska where there are plenty of fault lines and not much population that would be affected.

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  12. Re:Interesting idea: by X0563511 · · Score: 2

    Well, yes it does. For the quake to occur naturally, more energy will need to be applied in order to overcome the static friction. If you lower the static friction threshold, the plates act without adding the additional energy that more time and tectonic activity would build on behind it.

    The problem is that the energy already there to be released might already be bad news. It's still better news than waiting, though.

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  13. I bet... by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 2

    Millions of BSG fans are laughing at this headline :D

  14. Re:I hope UK Regulates better than TX and USA by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 2, Informative

    News flash, the Senate Republictards decided that the filibuster would be a great way to subvert democracy.

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  15. Re:Releasing pent up energy by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2

    This is in England, not an earthquake zone, not a volcanic zone, we have one of the most stable tectonic areas on the planet ...

    the area in question has now had 2 quakes in a month, the UK as a whole gets only 30 a year in total, and all lower in magnitude then these ...

    The earthquakes were caused by fracking and nothing else ..

       

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  16. Re:I hope UK Regulates better than TX and USA by EasyTarget · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've never understood why we are so damn eager to extract more substances from the Earth.

    It's because capitalism is a one way process; it's not a system.(*)

    It takes a finite resource (such as oil reserves, or coal, or iron) which belongs to all of us (we all share one planet) and assigns it to an owner (generally via opaque means rooted in corruption, even in the US). This owner then exploits it to produce a profit. Some of which might come back to us but most of which is shared out amongst an elite as part of their ongoing petty powergames. This is the same elite who have shaped our society for several hundred years now to believe that making profit is an unquestionable good and that growth is something that can happen infinitely.

    The damn eagerness is just the effect of long-term greed; and while profit is king this process will continue until all the natural resources are depleted, and the human population falls or otherwise adapts to the level which renewable supplies can accommodate.

    But I doubt if many come here for a lecture on Marxism.

    (*) Economics, on the other hand, IS a system.
    - Capitalism is the dominant processes that currently operates in the economic system. Without a counterprocess to resupply it, however, it will inevitably run down as it's resources run out.

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