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Fedora 16 Released
Karrde712 writes "Fedora 16 has just been released, bringing with it Gnome 3.2, KDE 4.7, GRUB2 and more!" Here are the full release notes; most users will probably want to jump to the list of changes for desktop users.
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... because it's just UNPOSSIBLE to put whatever desktop environment you want on it. I'm waiting for Beefy Miracle just for the sake of the name.
i thought fedora releasenames are quite cool. but beefy miracle is just silly. All versions before had a nice sounding codename, and now something that silly. i wonder what they put up next, they need to have a similiarity with the previous one (the beefy miracle) there.
on the rest ... yeah, kde on fedora is pretty much okay. other (more minimalistic) WMs of course, too.
It should be noted in the article.
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Perhaps the problem with GNOME 3 is that GNOME 2 will no longer have the support of the GNOME Foundation behind its continued development, and it might take too long to build up the financial wherewithal to establish a Fork-of-GNOME-2 Foundation.
... because it's just UNPOSSIBLE to put whatever desktop environment you want on it.
Given a choice between installing Random Distro X and having to build and install a completely new desktop environment or installing Random Distro Y which is sane out of the box, why would anyone pick the former?
They're actually listing grub2 as an UPGRADE?
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Ok, if you insist.
Fedora has nearly always been extremely quick (sometimes too much so) to adopt new software and features. It would be shocking if they didn't have Gnome 3. Most of the time, this means Fedora is the most technically advanced major Linux distro. It also makes it one of the buggiest. Don't use it if you don't want to play around with cutting edge new Linux software (versions). Simple as that.
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
sudo yum groupinstall XFCE
sudo yum groupinstall LXDE
Or just use Gnome 3 - I've never heard so much irrational complaining over what is a pretty solid (and very customizable) desktop etc....
yum groupinstall Xfce
or KDE, or LXDE, or...
really now... so hard...
Fedora torrents are located here.
I've got a fever and the only prescription is more COBOL.
Or just use Gnome 3 - I've never heard so much irrational complaining over what is a pretty solid (and very customizable) desktop
etc....
Can you put a system monitor on that bar that runs across the top to display processor usage per core, temperature per core, processor frequency per core and ram in use?
If you can, without adding some third party repo, let me know how. I'm running XFCE4 and Trinity, but neither seems as complete or polished as Gnome2.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
XFCE and LXDE don't have all the administration tools that Gnome3 has. No utility to configure fingerprint readers (my laptop has one) for example.
sudo yum install gnome-shell-extension-cpu-temperature
Not sure that takes care of all your requirements, but it gets you at least somewhat there.
Fedora packages a lot of extensions for gnome-shell - I expect that the number and quality of them will only get better and better.
,,, were it not for Gnome by default. But I've yet to see anything (and it would take a lot, so I'm not expecting it) to overcome their overly short support cycles. I need something better to use this at work, for either the desktops (we only use Windows where there is absolutely no other choice, which makes a grand total of 2) or the servers (0). But even Ubuntu's slow (in some cases) security updates are starting to bother me (over an issue they haven't yet updated in my one-version-behind system even though Slackware fixed the same one over a month ago in versions all the way back to 2007).
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
GNOME 3, systemd, autokey, just to name a few. Now they're saying that everything belongs in /usr/bin.
Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to re-invent it, badly. Evidently, as Fedora.
Maybe I'm just getting too old for this, but I'd rather have improvements in the tools that work than to have to learn a completely new tool every year because somebody decided that the old way is wrong because they didn't invent it. I guess Vim will be on the block next.
Are we, as a community, absolutely certain that "release early, release often" is always the best way to go?
I want all of the power and none of the responsibility.
for those upgrading via preupgrade, make sure to have at least 70% free space in boot or it will fail with an out of space error on the reboot.
Good people go to bed earlier.
so forget it.
So just install KDE already. KDE 4.x has been usable for years.
In any case, this is reason enough for me to start performing Fedora installs:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Sysadmin.html#id1439594
That means seamless user sharing between F16 and Debian-based distros.
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
I don't see anything in the release notes, I thought buterfase was supposed to be the default file system in F16?
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Beefy miracle is F17.
F16 is called Verne (hence the underwater wallpaper)
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That's what I've done - stayed on F14. I'm planning on checking out 16, but, I don't like a lot of the changes they've been making (systemctl can DIAF).
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
Applefication (The doctrine that designers know better than users, and that users should not worry their tiny little minds about how to configure something to be useful for them) of desktops and applications may be fine for Sheeple, but not for people who want to get the most out of their desktops.
GNOME 3 is a total disaster, it is simply unworkable for people who actually want to do serious work - unless your use of a computer is somewhat trivial and you're happy with what appears to be something that seems to be based on a mobile phone interface for large screens.
GNOME 3 is a triumph of fashion over functionality.
As Linus, and others have said, xfce is better than GNOME 3, but not as good as GNOME 2.
What are they smoking? Were they bought out by Apple or Microsoft???
you will have all manner of problems if you still have GNOME and its files around. the proper way would be to uninstall GNOME desktop and erase all the dot files that could fuck xfce up, and there are a few. I tried Fedora as one possibility to fleeing ubuntu, but quite frankly the alternative desktops either aren't as well stocked for serious admin of the machine, or have conflicts
That's not due until May 2012 so let's hope they change it - it's really dumb. But it might boost their popularity in Texas
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
It's undeniably getting there. It will take time, but it's getting there. Take a gander at what Linux Mint did with Gnome3 using extensions. Sure looks like it's gonna work as good as Gome2 to me. Never thought I would be saying this as early as this. I didn't have high expectations at all.
Uh, yeah, I tried it in other Fedora releases, and didn't happen to run into those problems. I could log into Xfce, Gnome, KDE, and LXDE in turn using a login selector without any problems.
Doesn't quite meet you requirements, but let's hope it does soon. You probably know about it but anyway : Try this
I find that it is a bit hit and miss on machines (not always works) but when it does, it works well.
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I can't imagine any case where this would happen.
Have you reported any bugs on it? Not against Fedora Xfce apparently, since I've never seen them (I'm one of the Fedora Xfce maintainers).
Fed16 smells a bit too Unity-ish for me. The desktop is being further relegated to nothing more than wallpaper and not a productive space (not storage space mind you!). I feel like at this point the Gnome 2 look and feel is gone with the larger distros. The king is dead; long live the king. I am giving Mint a try, but their 12.x plans to produce a hybrid Gnome 2 + 3 environment sounds like a clustersmack waiting to happen. Sigh. I think I miss right-clicking for Properties most of all.
How does that pick b/w kde 3.5 vs 4.7?
Since Kermit has been embroiled in some rather obscure licensing issues over the years, from the project's name to the open-source license, I was surprised to see ckermit included in Fedora at all. As it turns out, Columbia University shut down the Kermit project earlier this year. Kermit is now really open-source. http://www.kermitproject.org/
Kriston
If you use nvidia drivers with Fedora -- or at very least, do so with the aid of rpmfusion -- you may want to hold off on upgrading to F16.
To see if you should wait, run the following command:
nvidia-settings -q AccelerateTrapezoids
If you get nothing returned (or more accurately, two CRLFs), you will probably want to hold off on upgrading F15 -> F16. Looks like there is a bug in the nvidia drivers which can cause some pretty severe performance degradation.
Specifically, any card that can't handle trapezoid acceleration will suffer due to this regression. And to put it in perspective, my GT240, which is not ancient doesn't support this. So it's pretty bad.
More details: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166698
It /is/ apparently fixed in the 290.06 driver - but that's not in rpmfusion yet.
Because to install 3.5.x (as Trinity) you need to add a seperate repository, then yum install trinity-desktop.
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
I thought it was because of Ernest T Worrell! (Hey Vern!) Installing it now in a VM to test it out...
most developers don't read forums, as they're incredibly inefficient; just keeping up with Bugzilla is enough work. so if you want a dev to see your issue, file it as a bug, not a forum post.
Indeed. Although in this case, I do in fact read the forums. ;) ( if you are talking about fedoraforum?).
I don't recall seeing any such bug.
As Adam notes, filing an actual bug is much more likely to get folks attention, but if you note your forum post I'd be happy to reply to you there too.
rpm = really poor package management. Cloud computing services ? Are they nuts ? Cloud computing is a security nightmare and I shudder to think what bonehead corporations and individuals are willing to sacrifice the privacy of their data to faceless entities.
here is the quantification: fedora names
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The welcome screen is a big black blob of window, and the interface is no better than Fedora 15. The net benefit is the newer kernel. My first efforts with newer software versions, met with failed to launch, and bugzilla core dumps being forwarded.
Here is an interesting idea for an improvement. In the bottom right corner, allow the gnome 2 desktop switcher to appear. It allows us with one click to move from desktop to desktop with a single click, and allows Gnome3 to please the email/internet users.
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Now that there's a continuous repository for CentOS 6, it's a pretty obvious Linux desktop to use in a work environment. It means GNOME 2, Sys V init scripts (i.e. stuff that works!) and updates for 7 years. If you're like me, you'll maintain a handful of packages manually (I have scripts to create RPMs of the latest Firefox and Thunderbird, plus I install the latest LibreOffice too), but with useful repos like EPEL, RPMforge and ELrepo filling in the remaining gaps, it's a pretty stable setup and a much more sensible choice than Fedora for a work desktop.
Bonus point: You can run the exactly the same OS on your desktop and servers! Even Windows can't do that...
the forums have solution of removal of certain dot files, to cure the problem. thus it may not even constitute "bug" so much as "interference" between packages that use same configuration files.