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OpenSUSE 12.1 Released
MasterPatricko writes "The openSUSE project is proud to present the release of openSUSE 12.1! This release represents more than eight months of work by our international community and brings you the best Free Software has to offer. Improvements include the latest GNOME 3.2 desktop as well as the newest from KDE, XFCE and LXDE; your ownCloud made easy with mirall; Snapper-shots of your file system on btrfs; and much, much more. Other notable changes include moving from sysvinit to systemd, improving the boot process, and being built on GCC 4.6.2 including link-time optimization. More packages than ever are available from the openSUSE instance of the Open Build Service, and soon you'll be able to create customized respins on SUSE Studio."
Woot! All 3 users are jizzing in unison over this announcement!
Plus, the last time I used JAD 1.0 (based on Suse) it was rock solid. Anybody know the specifics of what's installed besides desktop environs? That seems to be all they've listed at their site.
Baby with the bathwater much?
Hey KID! Yeah you, get the fuck off my lawn!
You are maybe right. But that does not change my perception. Do you know - image is important. I see now Novell and Microsoft as a couple of conspirators together for whatever reason. Maybe I am 100% wrong, it doesn't matter. It's impossible to get rid of the taint.
You can't handle the truth.
Suse once had great font rendering on LCD screens due to their version of XOrg implementing proper font rendering and hinting.
Cleartype fonts semi existence thanks to the MS deal. They are crippled intentionally and butt ugly on purpose because MS wants you to use Windows instead. I refuse to use SuSE and yes the deal harmed Suse and crippled their own product.
http://saveie6.com/
Is it me or has Gnome 3x neutered the desktop? When I first used Gnome 3 with F15 I really liked the clean and cutting edge look. But 15 minutes later I choked on the fact that Gnome 3 had me bent over and handcuffed... doing things the way they wanted.
I looked at the screenshot and couldn't really tell if I was looking at Fedora or openSUSE, save the open browser content.
I LOVE what Linux Mint has done. They've incorporated the best of Gnome 3 and greatly improve the experience.
Oh, and YEAH for openSUSE, high-five!
yes, and it is just one reason. But it is deeper than that. It's about Novell working with MS in principle. I am sure many don't see it that way and they will point fingers here and say: you are biased, a zealot, blah blah.
Well, it's perception, and that is near as important as reality (and in this case it is even more important.)
Once a company is tainted by working with the likes of Microsoft or say Oracle, that's it. Sure, at work many people have to use products from these companies, but that's not what I am talking about.
The question of-course is: IS perception really that important (never mind the actual problems with the deal itself)? Is it important and how important, in terms of how many people refuse to deal with Novell for this reason alone.
You can't handle the truth.
I am curious about the btrfs filesystem and the Snapper (file snapshots and backup/restoration) usage, but I have been a bit afraid to use it as my main fs since I do not believe I have seen an official stable btrfs and tools release. Does anyone have experience with btrfs, is it production ready? (not necessarily for a server, but you know, would hate to lose any of my personal data - sure I can make backups but I prefer reliable things)
It's not a religion, people.
Right? ...you guys?
RIGHT?
I've been a suse user since 8.1, and have tried many distros (ubuntu, debian, gentoo, mandriva, fedora, etc). I prefer suse. So yes I use openSuSe on my laptop and desktop.
To offset political mods, replace Flamebait with Insightful.
Whether mono the disease or mono the toolkit, I dare say I enjoyed both. When I had mono I was in elementary school and got to miss 3 months. Mono is a neat toy to play with as well.
To offset political mods, replace Flamebait with Insightful.
the anl, tds mirrors the and direct link downloads all truncate at ~325MB of 4.3G
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
It doesn't have to be a religion to be disgusted enough with something. I don't have a problem with quite a number of companies (even though I am probably wearing rose colored glasses there as well), but MS and Oracle are two examples of companies that I can't stand in terms of their basic behavior.
I would not deal with them on voluntary basis, why is that a religion? If not dealing with them includes not dealing with large companies who have agreements with those particular businesses, then I don't want to deal with them by proxy either. How is that a religion?
There is a practical matter here as well - I don't want any part of my time or money going towards those companies, even if by proxy in any way shape or form. It's a choice.
You can't handle the truth.
I am happy for the new release- but will it be hard to install with the nice GNOME 2 or do I have to switch exclusively to XFCE?
distros are so 90's
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
I've been using it on x86 and x86-64 systems for a month or so and it is working quite well.
The announcement above neglected to mention that its running the 3.1.0 kernel and that plus the new compiler/libraries will make life interesting for those of us that live and work in the IT world. Other updates like systemd will also have interesting consequences. Most apps seem fairly happy living and playing on 12.1 however those using CommVault may expect some real pain.
For those that use RHEL and SLES/SLED in their enterprise this is a good introduction of things to come. For some of us that will be sooner rather than later. SLES/SLED 11 SP2, slated to show up in the first quarter of 2012, will be running the 3.0.7 kernel so playing with 12.1 now will give you a taste of things to come.
You do know Suse is no longer owned by Novell, right? That it's been spun off as a separate company again by Attachmate?
Once a company is tainted by working with the likes of Microsoft or say Oracle, that's it.
Oracle isn't even in the same ballpark as MS. MS has actively been trying to harm Linux and OSS with its patent extortion and racketeering, and only now has someone (Barnes & Noble) finally stood up to them and release the info on the patents in question (which of course have turned out to be totally bogus with tons of prior art not to mention total lack of non-obviousness). MS has been actively hostile to Linux and OSS ever since these became popular, and is only getting worse. What has Oracle done to OSS? Nothing I can think of. They even bought Sun and kept OpenOffice.org as an OSS product; of course, they handled it in a totally incompetent manner causing a fork, and are now throwing in the towel, but this doesn't come close to being a malicious action like those of MS. Oracle hasn't been much of a friend to OSS, but they haven't been much of an enemy of it either. They even have their own Linux distro that they try to push with their proprietary database software. They also bought MySQL and haven't killed that or taken it proprietary either. Honestly, I don't know what's with all the Oracle hatred. They have a few OSS products that they semi-competently (or incompetently for OO.o) handle, they haven't been suing Linux users over bogus patents, what's the problem?
What's the problem with Oracle? It's not like they're running around trying to extort money from Linux-based device makers using bogus patents they refuse to reveal. The only thing to be mad at them about is how incompetently they handled OO.o, but it doesn't matter anyway since LO is doing just fine.
They never promised you a rose garden.
Given the general negative reception of GNOME 3 (and Unity and to a lesser extend still also KDE 4), it surprises me that I haven't seen it much mentioned on the net that KDE 3 is back as a DE choice. Now if only the MATE (GNOME 2 continuation) was also included...
That's silly. When Novell bought SuSE, they gave away kits at nearly every consumer electronics show, including those in america, that's how I got mine. They also offered to mail them out free if you couldn't find one in your local area. That was for SuSE 9. I've still got mine. Prior to that, a friend had been paying for SuSE since 7 (I'm not sure what the deal was, apparently it was hard to obtain free because of YaST, or update services, or something?). At the time though, I was getting into Fedora and had a much easier time with it. I didn't want to use SuSE because you did everything through their proprietary configuration interface (YaST), and I wanted to learn a more "standard" way of doing things that would apply to all distros. Since I was just testing the waters at that point, I didn't want to have to learn something I couldn't use elsewhere. Not only that, but many how-tos would refer to editing .conf files, and YaST would throw up errors and try to replace my manually configured file every time I wanted to do something like this. It also seemed much easier to find .rpms for RedHat, or .debs for Debian.
Ultimately I ended up using Ubuntu, because at one point there was a controversy over Fedora with regards to versions not being supported very long or at all, or being bleeding-edge-only, and I wanted something a little more stable. I also got bogged down in RPM hell because I did want to try certain packages that were not officially supported, and repositories that packaged them didn't have common dependencies, and although I tried compiling the software myself, there were compile issues I had trouble resolving for certain software.
Now I'm trying out Debian, to gain experience and progress in my knowledge of the GNU/Linux platform on something that's not too far off from what I'm using now.
Twinstiq, game news
You don't have to be religious to have an irrational hatred of everything Microsoft. Being an idiot is perfectly sufficient.
This one looks good, maybe I will try it... push me away from Ubuntu is kind of hard... http://www.montuori.net/
That would be SLES not OpenSuSE.
Right, MS Zealot here, love their stuff and earn a living from it, but always want to keep my options open, just in case (as well as increasing my nerd rating, of course!). After flirting with linux multiple times since slackware '96, last weekend I've given it yet another go and I'm posting right now from the previous version of SUSE. It's the first distro I've ever installed and EVERYTHING seems to work. I've tried Linux about 20 times, but had given up after a few hours of mucking around because my mouse, or my graphics card, or my sound or my network or SOMETHING wouldn't work. Finally I've found one where everything works! I've been on it a week, and apart from not knowing how to do anything, the only problem is my fans sound like they're about to take off.
So, I'm struggling with the basics, but learning a little every day. Does anyone know a decent Windows-Linux Conversion guide which explains the parallels between the two - such as how to install drivers, where the hell is 'Program Files', what do I do if I want to install software but it's not an rpm or whatever it is suse uses. (Damn, I miss MSIs & EXEs!)
Also, is there any mail client I can use to connect to my exchange server for work email? (using MAPI \ RPC over HTTPS)
This is quite a lot of fun, and I've noticed that it seems to render flash video nicer than windows, BBC iPlayer HD is a bit stuttery on windows, but is smooth as silk over here.
Any hints and tips gratefully received!
If medicine were ever perfected, we'd all be the same.
What's the problem with Oracle? It's not like they're running around trying to extort money from Linux-based device makers using bogus patents they refuse to reveal.
It looks very like that to me, except that Oracle went after Google directly. They still want their piece of Android though.
Well, there's this repository ("Tumbleweed" they call it) that basically turns OpenSUSE into a rolling release distro.
It's optional, though, and not enabled by default.
Bump this up :-)
Sawfish was one of my absolute favorite window managers of all time! I fought with the gnome desktop env to get sawfish back in place on my box for years after they made the metacity switch, and only recently gave up (was just starting up a gnome-panel on login, and considering that my desktop env - no desktop icon manager thing either). Now with gnome 3 sprouting up everywhere, it's looking like LXDE, XFCE, or going back to sawfish.
If you haven't mucked with customizing sawfish (which is super easy to do via the gui), I'd suggest giving it a try. My favorite thing was being able to change the window decorations based on numerous window attribute matches - like all xterms get one style/color of border, and other stuff gets something else, etc... made it very easy to visually spot classes of apps, and allowed me to put thicker window borders on stuff I'd regularly resize (ex. gimp windows; easier to mouse grab) and minimal borders on things I don't need to muck with (ex. IM windows).
Keybindings and configurable actions were very sweet too, and could be set to specific scenarios (when mouse is over desktop, do this thing, but when mouse is over window, do something else, etc, including basing that on window classes so shortcuts could be app-specific).
Looks like it's still actively developed too. If interested: http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
"I stopped reading here."
You should have kept going to the less-painful "sharp stick in the eye" and "hot deep fryer emptied onto crotch".
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
too bad, the rest mentioned other finer desktops such as XFCE and LXDE. Of course, to be fair, to get to that great part you'd also have to stomach your way past the filthy K-desktop-word
...and not a single fsck was given on that day.
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
Novell got Microsoft to pay them a big wad of cash and also got Microsoft to encourage companies to install Linux.
Don't you wish every distro could pull off that sort of deal?
Or is it only okay if it's Canonical trying to pull the same sort of deal "give us money and encourage people to use our distro" with Ubuntu and hardware manufacturers?
B-b-but but but Google is good, and Oracle sued them, so Oracle is bad. (I agree on that software patents are really bad.)
Linus Torvalds has said he has no problems working with MS or any other company. As he put it, "Microsoft hatred is a disease".
"extremists" - in other words, freetards like RMS, and, evidently, you. Sad, really.
And further, here:
So, since Linus cooperates with Microsoft (even the SAMBA team is now taking patches from Microsoft), what OS are you going to switch to? OSX? They've cooperated with Microsoft in the past. Plan9? Won't you be running that on Intel? Intel cooperates with Microsoft. And Microsoft is now working with ARM ...
I guess it's time for you to stop being a hypocrite and go on eBay to look for an old Atari800, since ALL Linux, and all current hardware, is "contaminated" by Microsoft. Let us know how that works out for you with your 8k of ram (48k max)... oops - Atari BASIC by Microsoft. Sorry. Guess you'll have to stop using computers entirely now.
The reason why Windows fonts look ugly on FreeTypeis because they have embedded hints that are hand-tuned to look pixel-perfect on Windows font rasterizer (with or without ClearType). Unless your font renderer works exactly the same as ClearType, you won't have them looking as good.
I am disgusted with Oracle almost as much as I am with MS. It's because of their business practices, I worked in too many places where I saw people working as 'technical consultants', being in reality Oracle sales personnel, pushing their products, be it BEA or Aqualogic or whatever flavor of the month. It didn't matter what the question was, the answer was always the same - Oracle, oracle, oracle. And I don't have a problem with their database for large stuff, but I can't stand their guts because of all the BRIBERY that I saw. Is that a good enough reason? Bribes. Bribes to management, not directly as in money, but all the things, the 'seminars' done at some resorts, the tickets to games, all the 'golf playing' - that's how the decisions are being done and I vomit from their name.
You can't handle the truth.
You can preach your vomit inducing 'enterprise' level bribery if you like. I am not interested, go sell Oracle licenses to somebody over at resorts.
You can't handle the truth.
They are a patent whore.
They are a whore in general, whoring themselves out in any large company with so called 'technical consultants', who are in reality sales whores, just pushing Oracle for everything, and apparently the management was always happy to buy yet another piece of shit Oracle product (Aqualogic, as a great example of real real fecal matter, the kind that makes goatse and tubgirl look and feel like those who OCD over microbes on their hands).
It's disgusting from start to finish, what can I say. I always recommend something else.
What I did do was point out that even Linus thinks freetards need to grow up, take a bath, and stop hating on the competition.
Well, at least this time you remembered to check the "post anonymously" box.
Still, your zealotry still makes you a freetard ... you can go back to sucking RMS's ...um ... cheesy toes or something. The rest of us will continue to live in the real world.
That alone should make you a happy panda.
Oracle is just a metaphor, same as MS, it doesn't matter which one it is.
Why should one STOP hating on the competition even? There is no rational reason NOT to hate 'competition', but it's not about competition.
In fact Windows XP or 2000 are pretty decent systems, and so what? The hate is not about their products, it's about them as entities. The companies, their behavior, their entitlement. They have the money and so they are 'entitled' to waltz into anything with their bribes, and that's what they do.
Bribes and politics, that's what these guys are involved in. Products? Products don't matter. It's the companies and their behavior.
This is not even about free source or open source, it's about these particular entities - companies.
MS, Oracle - those are just two. I don't need to start a list here, it will not be too short unfortunately. Whatever you have to say, keep it.
Well, at least this time you remembered to check the "post anonymously" box.
I post anonymous because my limit of 10 posts a day is reached. While you, I am sure, are only posting the kinds of messages that are well received by the /crowd, the groupthink shit, mine are generally voted up and down many times over and over and over, and generally those who don't like the message have more moderation points, however this is done, and thus I can either post as an AC or I can post from my second account.
Are you satisfied with the explanation, enterprise boy?
Still, your zealotry still makes you a freetard ... you can go back to sucking RMS's ...um ... cheesy toes or something. The rest of us will continue to live in the real world.
As to accusing me on 'sucking RMS' whatever, why don't you go fuck yourself.
I am quite anti-RMS on the issue of proprietary software and I have comments to prove it, you prick.
You can add one more user to that list - or did you already count me?
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I am more interested about this snappy feature. Does this work like Solaris beadm? If so, combining their Xen 4.1 system and the btrfs capabilities I might be tempted to think about implementing some OpenSuSE domain0 test servers. I am highly disappointed with the state of Xen 4 on Debian Squeeze.
Here's a suggestion ... prove the bribes. Lockheed was fined for bribery. It's a criminal activity. So, either prove the bribes or move on.
No - I get lots of posts that are modded down to oblivion. I was one of the first to rag on Ubuntu and Canonical when everyone else thought they were the next "great Linux hope", for example. Just like I'm one of the more vocal voices against RMS and his stupidity (and the damage he does to open source).
However, unlike you, many of my posts are seen as offering more than your silly rants - I back up mine with facts rather than your schizoid fantasies.
Yeah, I just glanced at your "well reasoned" posts. I don't know what you are, a tom boy or a barbie girl, but your 'well reasoned' posts are shit.
Oh looky looky, someone is really angry that when they make an accusation and they're told to back it up or STFU.
You didn't "see anything" in terms of criminal behavior by any such corporation - if you did, and you didn't report it, you're an enabler. Instead, you're just another freetard who can't accept that people like Linus Torvalds have no problem with cooperating with companies like Microsoft to advance technology.
Grow up. Do you actually eat food with that mouth?
Don't like it that most of the people who believe in open source software think that RMS is doing more harm than good with his public demeanor, his lack of personal hygiene, his attitude towards women, children, and families? Too bad, so sad, SUX 2B U.
Don't like it that the people who are actually producing stuff, like Linus Torvalds, said that freetards should grow up and stop the Microsoft-hating? Again, who cares except other freetards.
...(for desktop use) and am using OpenSUSE not out of preference, but just to get myself familiar with other systems. Alsa worked flawlessly (as opposed to Alsa having minor issues in my previous distro, Debian Testing/Wheezy). I haven't gotten the hang of YaST for package management just yet, but zypper... the command line front-end to YaST, is very powerful. You add a switch and a URL to the zypper command to add repositories, and there are a multitude of command shortcuts available for software installation. I've been using zypper a lot since installation, and as a Debian user for three years i can say it's certainly giving APT a run for it's money. The software available for OpenSUSE is great, but the whole PORTAL documentation way of organizing it has been a little difficult to get used to at times. Again, i've just been using this for a week so that may not be the most educated judgement. Anyway, default repositories are - SUSE Updates, debug, source, OSS Software, and non-OSS Software (OSS = Open Source Software). Additionally, the Packman repository for OpenSUSE makes available pre-built RPM's for another large assortment of software. They currently don't have a US mirror, but being in New York and using the UK mirror... the speeds are fine. What's interesting to me is OpenSUSE is using systemd (by Lennart Poettering who also did Pulseaudio and avahi). Anyway, have a lot of fun. Hope i don't sound like too much of a salesman here.
Oh, so you are well reasoned
and my comments are 'silly rants'.
This comes from somebody making arguments like these:
Q. Why does RMS hate Oracle's Java?
A. He thinks the garbage collector has it in for him.
Q. Why doesn't RMS use Gold Bond medicated foot powder?
A. Because it's finger-lickin' good!
Q. Why doesn't RMS use toilet paper? ... ask Colonel Sanders ...
A. Because he *likes* to raise a big stink!
A2. It's part of the infrastucture for his own personal "cloud".
A3.
Q. Why do hotels ban him from the pool?
A. The Coast Guard won't send an oil skimmer afterward.
Q. Why did RMS make the tasteless Steve Jobs remarks in the first place?
A. Because when you don't have enough enemies to feed your paranoia, crowd-source it!
Q. Why does RMS hate the iPhone?
A. When he enters "5318008" and turns it upside-down, it rights itself.
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My position - Oracle and MS are corrupt thieves, who use bribery in day to day activities.
My position is that RMS doesn't understand economics and I have clearly shown it.
Your positions is that RMS has a nasty beard or whatever, while Oracle and Microsoft being respectable businesses (and at least one of them is a convicted monopolistic abuser - proven in court).
How about you go fuck yourself.
openSUSE isn't Novell anymore... it's its own thing now that is community run, not managed/directed by Novell/Attachmate.
Grow up.
(Not the GP or any previous poster in this thread)
I usually find your posts quite reasonable and informative, but telling someone to grow up because of *their* childish abuse when you've just used the word 'freetard' twice and mentioned 'having a bath' shows you've got some growing up to do yourself.
Hey, thanks for the input, Ubuntu users. What a bright young community you have there.
What, really? Source, please?
No, nowhere in this thread have I even mentioned Oracle, you silly moron. However, YOU have made the claim that both companies are involved in bribing people. I pointed out that bribery is a criminal offense, and that if you have knowledge of such crimes (which you claimed to have) that you had a legal obligation to report it, or you yourself are aiding and abetting - so either you're a liar, or a crook. Your own words condemn you to this Hobson's choice.
So, which are you, a whiney lying freetard who makes things up, or a crook? Either way, you're just some fat loser.
The poster in question is doing the "look through the target's last posts" and posting, both under their nic, and because they are in karma hell and limited to only a few posts a day, also anonymously.
I've been through this sort of thing more than a few times, and the people who do it are uniformly immature, no matter what their ages. They really do need to realize that life is a lot more complex, but they can't - they're too psychologically invested in a black-and-white world, with no shades of grey and no nuances. Most of the time, they go away after a few days to a few months (it's possible to apply game theory to this sort of problem, which is what dictates the form of my responses ... basically, call them out on their lies - there are always lies - and treat them as you would a spoiled rotten brat).
Of course, there's always the exception. The one time that the police got involved (it was the stalkers' employer who called them in, not me) the person doing the harassment was fired. The police officer asked me if I wanted to pursue further action wrt the cyberstalking, and I said basically "They're an idiot, they've been punished sufficiently by being fired, they won't be doing it again, so it's all good."
Now, on the use of the term "freetard" - this is something that I thought about for a while before whole-heartedly adopting it after RMS did his uncouth dump the day after Jobs died. If we are going to make open software generally acceptable, we need to lose the freetards, and the only way that's going to happen is if we ourselves actively oppose them. This includes labeling them as such, so that people know we're not all "programmers don't deserve to make a living you should just write free code because otherwise you're evil and people should steal your code" like RMS publicly says (I've posted links to speeches on the FSFE web site where he actually says that people should pirate closed-source software because if you work on closed-source software, you're evil. That's more than just retarded - that's the essence of the freetard, and when stripped to those basics, it's obvious that it's retarded :-)
So we have three choices.
1. Publicly disavow the whole freetard philosophy, labeling people who adopt freetard stands and exposing the often-nasty tactics such as demonizing their opponents (as RMS continues to do) as freetards;
2. Be silent, because otherwise the freetards will attack you (and we all have our vulnerabilities, and many will quite naturally figure it's not worth the risk or hassle);
3. Try to "bargain" with them, which, while reasonable, doesn't work with zealots. Their hierarchy of needs is not the same as a non-zealot, which is why being reasonable just doesn't work. "With reasonable people, try reason. With unreasonable people, try something else." They see it as a zero-sum game, with no "win-win" scenarios possible. You can't convince them, you can't reason with them, you can't bargain with them - but you CAN outlast them. If it happens often enough, then sometimes a lightbulb will go on and they'll chance a win-win. But if you don't challenge them, that will never happen, and we all end up a bit poorer.
Of course, I'm willing to hear counter-arguments or other thoughts ... like anything else, YMMV, and it's not black or white.
--I really liked sawfish as well. If you like minimalist WMs, I can recommend trying Fluxbox.
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Yeah, those are bad practices. Unfortunately, they seem to be pretty common in most large corporations; they're always going to want to sell you their most expensive crap, and sales reps giving customers game tickets, taking them out for golf, etc. is nothing new.
I had forgotten about the Oracle suit against Google, but still when I look at which company affects me personally the most, it's easily MS because of their constant anti-OSS patent trolling (exfat, android patents, etc.).
silly moron
liar, or a crook
whiney lying freetard
crook
just some fat loser
- that's about as useful a conversation as can be had with you.
You can't handle the truth.
Just remember - you started it. Don't start what you can't finish. BTW - we're still waiting for you to produce any evidence for your claims that Oracle or Microsoft have bribed people.
You made the claims, but you're doing everything you can to avoid backing them up. Typical big-mouthed zealot - long on rhetoric, short on facts.
You said you knew of incidents where Oracle or Microsoft had bribed people ... so put up or shut up.
Or you can keep on providing me with opportunities to show how much of a stupid liar you are ... because a smart liar would at least pick an easier target.
So, show us some proof of your claims.
This is my thread, bitch.
Your statements mean exactly nothing. I provide opinion.
You provide shit that belongs in kindergarten. (and all the other nonsense that comes out of your mouth).
You are not even a target, you aren't even playing the same game here.
You can't handle the truth.
So, either you're a crook yourself - after all, you claim to have seen criminal activity and not reported it - or you're just a lying freetard. Our you're both.
So again, back up your claims about bribes. Liar.
You'r so full of sj*t - you forgot to check the "post anonymously: when you wrote this
- you are a total ass. I never check 'AC' on purpose, only when my account reaches the limit and I have to post as AC or switch to my second account. So go fuck yourself, you ain't helping anybody here, that's for sure.
So, either you're a crook yourself - after all, you claim to have seen criminal activity and not reported it - or you're just a lying freetard. Our you're both.
- you are an IDIOT as well. Bribes are given left, right and center, not in the form of money even, but as gifts and expensive trips and tickets. It's done INSIDE PRIVATE COMPANIES, you moron.
This is not a government issue, there is nothing CRIMINAL about it, but there is the problem of ETHICS, which you clearly don't understand or know about. Again, go fuck yourself, you are not helping anybody here, you fucking moron.
You can't handle the truth.
So, now you want us all to believe that no government ever bought anything from Oracle or Microsoft? You're such an idiot. Keep back-pedaling ... it's fun to watch you drowning in your own BS.
So, now you want us all to believe that no government ever bought anything from Oracle or Microsoft? You're such an idiot. Keep back-pedaling ... it's fun to watch you drowning in your own BS.
- you are a fucking idiot of amazing degree. I have never worked for government. I worked for telcos, banks and insurance. I am talking about private companies, where Oracle and MS and some others as well come with 'gifts' to top management so that their products are selected not on merit but based on those gifts. You are a moron of unbelievable proportions. Also no logic. Are you a chick?
You can't handle the truth.
I see I touched a nerve. Well, this is a boys' club, honey.
You can't handle the truth.
Again trying to avoid proving what you claimed. You're such a liar, and SO easy to prove you're a liar. PROVE that Oracle or Microsoft bribed someone.
Name names, dates, and the type of gift. Both Microsoft and Oracle have policies about that.
Oracle's Code of Ethics and Business Conduct - see page 13 - Gifts
As an example, on page 14 they say that if a vendor sends them a gift certificate at their home "because it's the holidays", they have to return it to the vendor along with a note explaining that Oracle's policy forbids it.
Microsoft's Code of Business Conduct
So, again, since Microsoft prohibits all bribes or kickbacks, even in the private sector, or gifts totaling more than $200 per year under any circumstances, put up or shut up.
You keep trying to weasel out of proving what you said. Prove your claim that Oracle or Microsoft engage in bribes via inappropriate gifts, since both companies have policies against bribes, including gifts. Name ONE instance, since you (falsely) claim to have seen this when you (allegedly) "worked for telcos, banks, and insurance."
Riiiight, after all, women are not logical .... and yet, you're the one who keeps looking like an idiot, trying to lie his way out of things. Oh, and now we can add misogynist to the list of your character flaws.
Because we all know now that you're just a lying schmuck, out of your league, can't even get your story straight, every time you try to embellish it or patch a hole in it you just dig yourself in deeper. Amateur. But keep on - you're a good example of why we need to publicly put down freetards like mad dogs if open source is going to have any credibility with the masses.
So you are a chick. No surprise, with personal attacks all over the place, clearly a chick SOP.
As to specific cases - clearly I am not going to be provoked on the web to put myself into a situation where I actually start naming names, times, locations. But I do have a resume on line and obviously the cases are linked to the places where I have worked.
Again: this is none of your business. Oracle, MS and others, including HP, IBM, etc. ALL are participating bribing the officials.
As to an UNRELATED TO ME case of Microsoft giving out bribes, that's just TOO EASY,
LMGIFY
and nothing gets done in Russia with buttering the way
As to Oracle, why let's see more.
So you can yell till you are blue in the face. All you are good for is some 'smelly socks' jokes.
You can't handle the truth.
The case you pointed out were against company policy and the people involved were punished. Sort of messes up your lies that the companies do these things. Trying to hold a company responsible for a rogue employee who violates company policy, and fires them when its found out, that's like arguing the post office is responsible when an employee goes postal, or that a school is responsible when a shooter walks in and starts firing. You'll always have problems in any large enough organization.
And remember - YOU are the one who started with the insults. Not me. So, you might want to re-think your criticisms of my giving back as good is I get, lard-head.
BUT - you claimed to have witnessed these incidents personally, and you failed to report them, making you complicit. Remember that - you made the claim, then you tried to modify it, and now you STILL refuse to back it up. You complain that something is corrupt, when you by your own admission are a BIG part of the problem.
Then again, freetards are not noted for logic. It's one reason why Torvalds refuses to say that he does open source software any more - he doesn't want to be associated the extremists nutjobs who think it's some sort of quasi-religion.
Well that is not particularly true. OpenSuse has always been their own deal, they just get sponsorship dollars from from Novell, not to mention code. And if you go to the website, is still has Novell's logo on the bottom (c) 2008 and the words "Founded By Novell" I still login with my Novell credentials.
Hey KID! Yeah you, get the fuck off my lawn!
rogue employee who violates company policy,
- bullshit. This is no rogue employee, this is a systematic thing that I have seen happening in a number of companies as a contractor. This is normal operating procedure for large vendors like Oracle and MS and others, their official policy is like US official policy on negotiations between Israel and Palestine, but their real policy is like the real deal that US always pursues in that case. No difference.
And remember - YOU are the one who started with the insults. Not me. So, you might want to re-think your criticisms of my giving back as good is I get, lard-head.
BULLSHIT.
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in other words, freetards like RMS, and, evidently, you. Sad, really. ..... .....
I guess it's time for you to stop being a hypocrite
you are full of shit and that's the record.
BUT - you claimed to have witnessed these incidents personally, and you failed to report them, making you complicit
- I didn't start with insults, but I am going to finish with them - you are a MORON. You are a functional idiot.
The companies I worked for had this going on at the HIGHEST levels, so you can go complain about CEO and his top circle to himself, but that just would prove you to be a total retard.
You lose at every turn, you don't even need to understand it, but you are such a complete waste of my time.
You can't handle the truth.
AND it gets better (or worse) ... you STILL claim you've seen Microsoft and Oracle bribe, and you still refuse to give a single instance of where you've personally seen it, even though both companies have policies in place, including firing the people involved.
So it's simple - you're either part of the problem yourself, or you're a liar. Or both. I'd tell you to get lost, but you already are.
"What a maroon" -- Bugs Bunny.
The only good thing about openSUSE is YaST. The rest of it is so-so and lacking in functionality when compaed with other distros like Fedora, Ubuntu and even Debian.
It's only Suse, not all of Linux, that has this history, and that too, Suse has now been spun off. At any rate, if one decides to jettison Linux b'cos of Linux cooperating w/ Microsoft, there are still the choices of the *BSDs, and if one feels brave enough, Minix. As far as hardware goes, the old sparcstations were good, if one can get one any more, a lot of which happened before Oracle bought Sun, and which can be used w/ BSD. Then there are other non-x86 based computers as well - currently mostly legacy boxes, but if one wishes, and there's a big enough market, one could start something based on MIPS or PowerPC and put one of those boycott MS/Oracle/your select group of companies w/ it.
In case you missed it, Microsoft involvement with linux is not history ... the linux kernel team has accepted patches from Microsoft for the 3.0 kernel - so this certainly isn't "just something OLD Suse did". Microsoft made the most changes to the linux 3.0 kernel :-)
And of course FreeBSD (and by extension, the others, since they do tend to share) has a ton of code from Apple, as well as code the devs were paid to write by Apple.
Some zealots would say that such cooperation is anathema, but the kernel devs obviously take a more pragmatic approach. For them, there's gnu/hurd, "under development" for more than 25 years - which needs to use drivers from linux (from linux 2.0 as of this summer - talk about dead!), and run in a vm (usually atop linux), blah blah blah but not do any real work.