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OpenSUSE 12.1 Released
MasterPatricko writes "The openSUSE project is proud to present the release of openSUSE 12.1! This release represents more than eight months of work by our international community and brings you the best Free Software has to offer. Improvements include the latest GNOME 3.2 desktop as well as the newest from KDE, XFCE and LXDE; your ownCloud made easy with mirall; Snapper-shots of your file system on btrfs; and much, much more. Other notable changes include moving from sysvinit to systemd, improving the boot process, and being built on GCC 4.6.2 including link-time optimization. More packages than ever are available from the openSUSE instance of the Open Build Service, and soon you'll be able to create customized respins on SUSE Studio."
Plus, the last time I used JAD 1.0 (based on Suse) it was rock solid. Anybody know the specifics of what's installed besides desktop environs? That seems to be all they've listed at their site.
Actually, only 2. I switched to Debian this year.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Suse once had great font rendering on LCD screens due to their version of XOrg implementing proper font rendering and hinting.
Cleartype fonts semi existence thanks to the MS deal. They are crippled intentionally and butt ugly on purpose because MS wants you to use Windows instead. I refuse to use SuSE and yes the deal harmed Suse and crippled their own product.
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Is it me or has Gnome 3x neutered the desktop? When I first used Gnome 3 with F15 I really liked the clean and cutting edge look. But 15 minutes later I choked on the fact that Gnome 3 had me bent over and handcuffed... doing things the way they wanted.
I looked at the screenshot and couldn't really tell if I was looking at Fedora or openSUSE, save the open browser content.
I LOVE what Linux Mint has done. They've incorporated the best of Gnome 3 and greatly improve the experience.
Oh, and YEAH for openSUSE, high-five!
yes, and it is just one reason. But it is deeper than that. It's about Novell working with MS in principle. I am sure many don't see it that way and they will point fingers here and say: you are biased, a zealot, blah blah.
Well, it's perception, and that is near as important as reality (and in this case it is even more important.)
Once a company is tainted by working with the likes of Microsoft or say Oracle, that's it. Sure, at work many people have to use products from these companies, but that's not what I am talking about.
The question of-course is: IS perception really that important (never mind the actual problems with the deal itself)? Is it important and how important, in terms of how many people refuse to deal with Novell for this reason alone.
You can't handle the truth.
it is definitely not production ready.
It doesn't have a fsck tool yet, which means any kind of inconsistency will make your fs unusable.
there is a btfs fsck out already, but it only detects corruption, and doesn't fix it (the major problem).
It doesn't have to be a religion to be disgusted enough with something. I don't have a problem with quite a number of companies (even though I am probably wearing rose colored glasses there as well), but MS and Oracle are two examples of companies that I can't stand in terms of their basic behavior.
I would not deal with them on voluntary basis, why is that a religion? If not dealing with them includes not dealing with large companies who have agreements with those particular businesses, then I don't want to deal with them by proxy either. How is that a religion?
There is a practical matter here as well - I don't want any part of my time or money going towards those companies, even if by proxy in any way shape or form. It's a choice.
You can't handle the truth.
Use the metalink though a download manager, aria2c worked last time.
I've been using it on x86 and x86-64 systems for a month or so and it is working quite well.
The announcement above neglected to mention that its running the 3.1.0 kernel and that plus the new compiler/libraries will make life interesting for those of us that live and work in the IT world. Other updates like systemd will also have interesting consequences. Most apps seem fairly happy living and playing on 12.1 however those using CommVault may expect some real pain.
For those that use RHEL and SLES/SLED in their enterprise this is a good introduction of things to come. For some of us that will be sooner rather than later. SLES/SLED 11 SP2, slated to show up in the first quarter of 2012, will be running the 3.0.7 kernel so playing with 12.1 now will give you a taste of things to come.
You do know Suse is no longer owned by Novell, right? That it's been spun off as a separate company again by Attachmate?
Once a company is tainted by working with the likes of Microsoft or say Oracle, that's it.
Oracle isn't even in the same ballpark as MS. MS has actively been trying to harm Linux and OSS with its patent extortion and racketeering, and only now has someone (Barnes & Noble) finally stood up to them and release the info on the patents in question (which of course have turned out to be totally bogus with tons of prior art not to mention total lack of non-obviousness). MS has been actively hostile to Linux and OSS ever since these became popular, and is only getting worse. What has Oracle done to OSS? Nothing I can think of. They even bought Sun and kept OpenOffice.org as an OSS product; of course, they handled it in a totally incompetent manner causing a fork, and are now throwing in the towel, but this doesn't come close to being a malicious action like those of MS. Oracle hasn't been much of a friend to OSS, but they haven't been much of an enemy of it either. They even have their own Linux distro that they try to push with their proprietary database software. They also bought MySQL and haven't killed that or taken it proprietary either. Honestly, I don't know what's with all the Oracle hatred. They have a few OSS products that they semi-competently (or incompetently for OO.o) handle, they haven't been suing Linux users over bogus patents, what's the problem?
I assume you have never actually used openSUSE.
Its a European distro so is never on the American "list" of distos that are recommend to try. Novel going with microsoft never helped though that's the excuse to troll it now rather than having any current justification that MS has effected openSUSE.
They never promised you a rose garden.
Given the general negative reception of GNOME 3 (and Unity and to a lesser extend still also KDE 4), it surprises me that I haven't seen it much mentioned on the net that KDE 3 is back as a DE choice. Now if only the MATE (GNOME 2 continuation) was also included...
Hmm, I use to use Mandriva (Mandrake before that) and am on kubuntu now. It's been well over ten years since I tried SUSE, iirc the only probelm I had with it was a flaky video driver, and from what I've seen since I'm pretty sure they've patched that one up. I'll have to give it another try.
Wouldn't you know it, I just upgraded my kubuntu box over the weekend. Oh, well.
I was happy to find that the latest kubuntu has Samba turned on by default, and was able to see shares from my win 7 notebook, and then at lunch today was chagrined that it stopped working. How is Samba support in Suse?
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That's silly. When Novell bought SuSE, they gave away kits at nearly every consumer electronics show, including those in america, that's how I got mine. They also offered to mail them out free if you couldn't find one in your local area. That was for SuSE 9. I've still got mine. Prior to that, a friend had been paying for SuSE since 7 (I'm not sure what the deal was, apparently it was hard to obtain free because of YaST, or update services, or something?). At the time though, I was getting into Fedora and had a much easier time with it. I didn't want to use SuSE because you did everything through their proprietary configuration interface (YaST), and I wanted to learn a more "standard" way of doing things that would apply to all distros. Since I was just testing the waters at that point, I didn't want to have to learn something I couldn't use elsewhere. Not only that, but many how-tos would refer to editing .conf files, and YaST would throw up errors and try to replace my manually configured file every time I wanted to do something like this. It also seemed much easier to find .rpms for RedHat, or .debs for Debian.
Ultimately I ended up using Ubuntu, because at one point there was a controversy over Fedora with regards to versions not being supported very long or at all, or being bleeding-edge-only, and I wanted something a little more stable. I also got bogged down in RPM hell because I did want to try certain packages that were not officially supported, and repositories that packaged them didn't have common dependencies, and although I tried compiling the software myself, there were compile issues I had trouble resolving for certain software.
Now I'm trying out Debian, to gain experience and progress in my knowledge of the GNU/Linux platform on something that's not too far off from what I'm using now.
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You don't have to be religious to have an irrational hatred of everything Microsoft. Being an idiot is perfectly sufficient.
Right, MS Zealot here, love their stuff and earn a living from it, but always want to keep my options open, just in case (as well as increasing my nerd rating, of course!). After flirting with linux multiple times since slackware '96, last weekend I've given it yet another go and I'm posting right now from the previous version of SUSE. It's the first distro I've ever installed and EVERYTHING seems to work. I've tried Linux about 20 times, but had given up after a few hours of mucking around because my mouse, or my graphics card, or my sound or my network or SOMETHING wouldn't work. Finally I've found one where everything works! I've been on it a week, and apart from not knowing how to do anything, the only problem is my fans sound like they're about to take off.
So, I'm struggling with the basics, but learning a little every day. Does anyone know a decent Windows-Linux Conversion guide which explains the parallels between the two - such as how to install drivers, where the hell is 'Program Files', what do I do if I want to install software but it's not an rpm or whatever it is suse uses. (Damn, I miss MSIs & EXEs!)
Also, is there any mail client I can use to connect to my exchange server for work email? (using MAPI \ RPC over HTTPS)
This is quite a lot of fun, and I've noticed that it seems to render flash video nicer than windows, BBC iPlayer HD is a bit stuttery on windows, but is smooth as silk over here.
Any hints and tips gratefully received!
If medicine were ever perfected, we'd all be the same.
Well, there's this repository ("Tumbleweed" they call it) that basically turns OpenSUSE into a rolling release distro.
It's optional, though, and not enabled by default.
Bump this up :-)
Sawfish was one of my absolute favorite window managers of all time! I fought with the gnome desktop env to get sawfish back in place on my box for years after they made the metacity switch, and only recently gave up (was just starting up a gnome-panel on login, and considering that my desktop env - no desktop icon manager thing either). Now with gnome 3 sprouting up everywhere, it's looking like LXDE, XFCE, or going back to sawfish.
If you haven't mucked with customizing sawfish (which is super easy to do via the gui), I'd suggest giving it a try. My favorite thing was being able to change the window decorations based on numerous window attribute matches - like all xterms get one style/color of border, and other stuff gets something else, etc... made it very easy to visually spot classes of apps, and allowed me to put thicker window borders on stuff I'd regularly resize (ex. gimp windows; easier to mouse grab) and minimal borders on things I don't need to muck with (ex. IM windows).
Keybindings and configurable actions were very sweet too, and could be set to specific scenarios (when mouse is over desktop, do this thing, but when mouse is over window, do something else, etc, including basing that on window classes so shortcuts could be app-specific).
Looks like it's still actively developed too. If interested: http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
"I stopped reading here."
You should have kept going to the less-painful "sharp stick in the eye" and "hot deep fryer emptied onto crotch".
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Sorry, but you want the "Trolling Ubuntu" articles. Though with the damage Unity has done, no need to troll - it will disappear by itself.
Novell got Microsoft to pay them a big wad of cash and also got Microsoft to encourage companies to install Linux.
Don't you wish every distro could pull off that sort of deal?
Or is it only okay if it's Canonical trying to pull the same sort of deal "give us money and encourage people to use our distro" with Ubuntu and hardware manufacturers?
The reason why Windows fonts look ugly on FreeTypeis because they have embedded hints that are hand-tuned to look pixel-perfect on Windows font rasterizer (with or without ClearType). Unless your font renderer works exactly the same as ClearType, you won't have them looking as good.
...(for desktop use) and am using OpenSUSE not out of preference, but just to get myself familiar with other systems. Alsa worked flawlessly (as opposed to Alsa having minor issues in my previous distro, Debian Testing/Wheezy). I haven't gotten the hang of YaST for package management just yet, but zypper... the command line front-end to YaST, is very powerful. You add a switch and a URL to the zypper command to add repositories, and there are a multitude of command shortcuts available for software installation. I've been using zypper a lot since installation, and as a Debian user for three years i can say it's certainly giving APT a run for it's money. The software available for OpenSUSE is great, but the whole PORTAL documentation way of organizing it has been a little difficult to get used to at times. Again, i've just been using this for a week so that may not be the most educated judgement. Anyway, default repositories are - SUSE Updates, debug, source, OSS Software, and non-OSS Software (OSS = Open Source Software). Additionally, the Packman repository for OpenSUSE makes available pre-built RPM's for another large assortment of software. They currently don't have a US mirror, but being in New York and using the UK mirror... the speeds are fine. What's interesting to me is OpenSUSE is using systemd (by Lennart Poettering who also did Pulseaudio and avahi). Anyway, have a lot of fun. Hope i don't sound like too much of a salesman here.