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China Using Net Censorship As a Trade Weapon?
angry tapir writes "The Chinese government is using Internet censorship as a trade weapon against U.S. tech companies trying to do business there. China's ongoing censorship of the Internet is applied unevenly, with foreign companies often facing stricter rules than their Chinese counterparts, said Ed Black, president and CEO of the Computer and Communications Industry Association, to the U.S. Congressional-Executive Commission on China. (Of course, a lot of countries aren't thrilled by U.S. net censorship efforts.)"
They took yer job, U.S. government!
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
see how the American Government like it!
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
This just in: China still operates under non-trivially mercantilist policies; US continues to cede moral high ground on issue as fast as possible at behest of entertainment industries.
News. At. 11.
why do these politations fail to understand this. piracy has been around forever and its not hurting there bottom line it never has. before pcs it was vhs and audio tapes. before those it was books. these companys refusing to upgrade to the new ways of the heavly connected world and offering shit product is whats really hurting them. i just got asked by my buddy today do you wanna go see a movie whats playing i replayed crap. its just there hot butten when there investors go wtf is going on why is your company's dieing a slow very loud death.
Maybe it is time for the WTO to set some anti-sensorship restrictions. Not that what is happening in the U.S. couldn't happen at the international level.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
Enough playing Tiddly Wings with China. Tariff them until our trade between them balances. If we keep rewarding lopsided trade, it will keep happening.
Plus, the US gov't can use the revenue right now.
Table-ized A.I.
They fear outside influence on their populace, but the truth is China will eat its self politically from the inside out, you can not give your population a "taste" of capitalism and expect to maintain the same level of political control, it doesn't work.
So rather than outside influences driving the change it will be the inside influences that do this, they went from “Practice Marxism and not Revisionism” to “Praise profit. Praise profit. Praise profit. Praise profit. Praise profit.”
We live in interesting times.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Nothing unsightly has been done by the US in the last 100 years, that China or Russia have not been outdone several times over in the last 50... Our moral ground is as high as ever compared to the rest of the world's (super)powers.
...is using net censorship to give themselves a trade disadvantage. By using censorship to drive innovation out of the US, they actually help other countries at their own expense. It's really a magnanimous gesture, if you think about it.
Go USA!
first the aritcle says "using Internet censorship as a trade weapon against U.S. tech companies" then "foreign companies often facing stricter rules" so which is it.... US or all foreign.... if its all, stop your crying, most countries put separate restrictions on foreign companies.... Stop making this sound like an attack against the US if its not....
How different is this from the US shoving "Intellectual Property Rights Chapters" down everyone else's throat in every Trade Agreement?
We all talk about how terrible is Internet censorship in China, while in the meantime out own US congress (which by large does no longer represent the interests of US citizens) is considering laws to centralise control of the Internet, in the name of "security" and defending the interest of a small number of companies that heavily lobby on these regulations. This is happening right now, people. Wake up. You can keep criticising China, or maybe you can use that energy to do something about your own country. Or you can wait some years, and try to explain to your grandchildren why their freedom of speech is nowhere to be found.
(This is hinged of course on SOPA not passing)
I see this as a mistake by the Chinese gov't. The american companies should come back here where we dont' have such (restrictive) practices.
A win-win situation for us.
Course it'll never happen but it's nice to dream
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
is the only time america cares about chinese government censorship is when it impedes the flow of the free market economy.
we censor many foreign products from american consumption based on trademark or patent, we censor our media from covering the
zucatti park raid, and even arrest them. our censorship prevented journalists from photographing returning c130 cargo planes carrying dead
and wounded soldiers during the iraq war, and prevents us from knowing who presidents like George Bush invited to the whitehouse.
our system is a revolving door of corporatocracy from which elites of the upper class are bred for leadership, much the same as china.
rule-in-perpetuity by a single party is really no different than having only two parties to choose from, neither of which accomplish any meaningful
longterm reform or change.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Last time I was over there, I noticed Internet censorship varied city by city, and even in Beijing differently from one hotel to another. It might have a lot to do with the local service provider. Also, the service providers vary wildly from city to city. I don't believe there is a unified telco provider in China that provides you the ability to make phone calls in all cities, though that was two or three years ago.
Ask those people who run internet gambling sites who are being closed down because the US is censoring the net.
Ask Wikileaks about US censorship on the internet.
Almost all big computer technology companies have a .cn website- for their Chinese consumers. When I was in China, I tried to open Apple's website in Chinese and it would often not work or crawl. If I open the same website using an open proxy, it would work smoothly.
Computers can reverse entropy.
China is selectively filtering and shaping its own internet traffic, including that of US companies operating in their country. Aren't these exactly the kinds of capabilities the US wants to give its own ISPs by preventing Net Neutrality, on top of forcing them to pay for the priority of their traffic?
Your always free to move to The Communist Government Of China if you don't like life here in the USA. For our OUR faults Ide much rather live here. If you don't vote or take part in community government you have no right to complain. Its just that simple.
Jack of all trades,master of none
Enough playing Tiddly Wings with China. Tariff them until our trade between them balances.
That's fine. How do you plan to deal with the large increases in prices of a huge number of goods? A lot of goods are made in China because of cost and it is highly non-trivial, not to mention expensive, to relocate all of that production. Much of the burden of the increased costs of goods will fall on the low income portion of the the population.
Riding your high horse isn't without a cost.
Plus, the US gov't can use the revenue right now.
What revenue? You think there would be no consequences? Raise prices suddenly on a wide variety of goods and you are almost certainly going to send the US economy into the tank again. Tax revenues would plummet much more than any money that would be raised from tariffs.
Running away (ie, moving to China) doesn't solve the underlying problem. Some people are actually willing to try and work for a change HERE.
All the world's a CPU, and all the men and women merely AI agents
That wasnt my point and People here have always been willing to work.
Jack of all trades,master of none
Seriously. So what? The chinese gov. is in a COLD WAR WITH THE WEST. They are using economic cheats to win it. The problem is that we have loads of idiots who think that Chinese gov. is friendly to the west. They are about as friendly as Germany was in 1936-39, or USSR was in 1945-1949.
Look, China has spies all over the west stealing technology. WHen they are not stealing, they simply buy and count on presidents like W to allow them to take it out (just one example from W was magnaquench; that allowed China to build decent guidance into their missiles).
O has been trying to get along, but is slowly ratching up issues with China. They need to ratchet it up quicker. In particular, we need to clamp down on their spies. Likewise, we need to take on their money manipulation and other economic treaty breaking. Otherwise, China will win this cold war via economic front.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Culture is carried on by all members of the culture, not just its leaders.
Even when the Communists took over, everyday people still retained Chinese culture.
The romantic myth is thinking that ancient Chinese culture is that much different than modern Chinese culture
Here, the Chinese government is deciding which businesses will be featured more prominently on the internet, which makes a big impact on that companies business. I keep getting called a tinfoil hat when I propose that ISPs could do the same thing. But here is a real world example of it. If you can filter and prioritize web sites, you can control business.
Some Web content blocked from appearing on U.S.-based sites in China appears on Chinese sites, he said. In some cases, China has redirected searches through U.S. services to a Chinese service, and its censorship of foreign services drives consumers to Chinese alternatives, he added.
The latter example sounds much like Verizon (and others) who redirect DNS lookup failures to their own search engine.
Because we're not already in a trade war with China and China isn't already handing us our asses, you see.
Facebook. Google. would you allow these companies, who is known to cooperate with the government of a country which is your rival, easy and free access to your national internet ? even americans dont trust facebook for example. why should china.
Read radical news here
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
https://www.google.com/search?q=cia+drug+running&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
but especially in the same page :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking#Panama
despicable.
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Stuff from China is poor quality and has a high markup.
That's complete nonsense which doesn't stand up to even the basic scrutiny. I've been to China myself and been in factories where they make parts for Dell, Emerson Electric, and about 10 other Fortune 500 companies with well deserved reputations for good to excellent products. While there is of course some shoddy production from China there is a lot of very high quality manufacturing as well - every bit as good as anything in the US.
I think the low income portion of the population (that spends almost all its money on rent/transportation/food anyway) wouldn't mind paying a little more if it meant they got factory jobs.
Imposing tariffs won't bring jobs back and we're not talking about "a little more". The cost of labor in the US is too high relative to other places in the world. Not just China either. If you cut off production from one location it will simply move elsewhere. China is not the only nation with low labor costs. Cut off production from everywhere else and you screw the economy. You seriously need to learn about comparative advantage.
without a real China bashing post on /. for almost a day, now I feel better.
like maybe have the USN use submarines to start sinking every Chinese cargo ship they can find and sink em in deep water so there is no chance of investigation or recovery, and take no prisoners and make sure the captain & crew all die so there are no witnesses, if China wants an economic war then lets give them one
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
No your entire post is bullshit of the rankest kind.
Merely participating in the voting process you are handing over legitimacy to an illegitimate system. There is literally no point in voting when there are only two official parties, and they are both essentially the same with the exception of having a few different corporate sponsors.
Generally we put a lot of effort and energy into pointing out that we hate that bs and want a government that prevents rather than supports censorship. I don't know whf you would think that "America" loves censorship when everyone from the gun-slinging right to the patchulli-scented left is pissed about the government's efforts to put an eye in every living room and a ragin every mouth. America hates censorship and corrupt politicians everywhere, and here most of all.
FUCK YOU MOTHER.