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Australian Federal Court Ends Ban On Samsung Galaxy Tab Sales

New submitter Dedokta writes "The Australian Federal Court has overturned the injunction placed on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and ordered Apple to pay court costs. Apple has applied for an appeal with the Supreme Court, but Samsung is now free to sell the Galaxy Tab within Australia. Samsung is not off the hook yet, however; the full case to see if they have indeed infringed upon Apple patents is still to be heard early next year."

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  1. Good.... by jeremy85mai · · Score: 2

    Good, step one for Apple to drop this frivolous lawsuit is complete.... Also, I find it interesting that in Australia, their supreme court takes cases like this. That could just be me being american though :/

    1. Re:Good.... by mjwx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, I find it interesting that in Australia, their supreme court takes cases like this. That could just be me being american though :/

      The supreme court is the highest court in each state, but below the federal court (I.E. Supreme Court of Western Australia or Supreme Court of Victoria). But the submitter had it wrong, this case was heard in the Federal Court of Australia who normally deals with corporate issues, trade practices, Industrial Relations and the like.

      Apple have made an appeal to the High Court of Australia which is the highest court in Australia. The High Court has no mandate to automatically hear cases, so if the High Court feel's Apple is wasting their time any appeal will be denied.

      What's important about this victory is that the evidence was heard by 3 Justices, not just one as was the case with the first injunction hearing and it was found by the three Justices that the original injunction was in error. The case still stands, Apple is still suing Samsung over alleged patent infringement, this hearing was only over the injunction. But this gives us an indication that there is some sanity in the Australian court system.

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    2. Re:Good.... by quarrel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > The supreme court is the highest court in each state

      This is only sort of true (at least in NSW, but I assume elsewhere too?).

      You can appeal a decision of the NSW Supreme Court to the NSW Court of Appeal. However, the Court of Appeal is a branch of the Supreme Court in the they're established.

      Many corporate issues, trade practices and IR cases are also heard in State courts. It depends on the case in point .. (the NSW Dept of Fair Trading for instance, brings its cases in NSW. Many companies sue each other over contractual disputes in the state courts etc.)

      --Q

    3. Re:Good.... by quarrel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just to be more of a pedant, Supreme Courts aren't really below the Federal Court. You can't appeal a decision of a Supreme Court to the Federal Court. They're different jurisdictions.

      --Q

    4. Re:Good.... by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Just to be more of a pedant, Supreme Courts aren't really below the Federal Court. You can't appeal a decision of a Supreme Court to the Federal Court. They're different jurisdictions.

      --Q

      To be fair, I was trying to keep it simple.

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  2. and ordered Apple to pay court costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    good.

    What the courts really need to do is charge the party bringing the suit for _all_ costs to the other party. Real money might discourage patent trolls like Apple.

    1. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by deburg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple has money to spare. And the damage is already done. With the Christmas shopping started, early buyers would have settled on the Ipad2 instead of the Galaxy Tab as gifts. Question now is whether there enought Galaxy Tabs in stock for the rest of the Christmas season

    2. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by arbiter1 · · Score: 2

      um in world of big corp lawsuits, its only pocket change to people at apple to pay court cost's and really don't stop anything as usually its what few hundred $$.

    3. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by bhagwad · · Score: 2

      Like others have mentioned, court costs are minuscule for Apple. As it is for most big corporations. A better financial punishment I feel would be to pay a percentage of their profits for the next two years. The percentage depending on how frivolous the court thinks the case was.

      Let's see Apple (or any other corporation) file a frivolous case now.

    4. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by mjwx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple has money to spare. And the damage is already done. With the Christmas shopping started, early buyers would have settled on the Ipad2 instead of the Galaxy Tab as gifts. Question now is whether there enought Galaxy Tabs in stock for the rest of the Christmas season

      A lot of Australians would not have even started shopping yet.

      There's a psycological barrier for a lot of people, that Christmas does not start until December so a lot of people dont start Christmas shopping until December.

      The smart ones (raises hand) got their Chrimbo shopping over and done with months ago, but I still have to shop for food and I hate the shops at this time of year.

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    5. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by mysidia · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple has money to spare. And the damage is already done. With the Christmas shopping started, early buyers would have settled on the Ipad2 instead of the Galaxy Tab as gifts.

      A real victory would have been: not just "pay the court costs", but also order them to: reimburse Samsung for lost sales of Galaxy tablets, assuming they would have sold just as well as iPad2 units, and send iPad2 customers an optional coupon to exchange their purchased iPad2 during that time for a Galaxy tab, at Apple's expense.

    6. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by davetv · · Score: 3, Informative

      In Australia, this would require a separate court action. It might yet occur.

    7. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well perhaps not in Australia. But in Germany its the automatic fee for getting a injunction in place that is then later found to be without merit. Apple could be on the hook for a lot of "lost sales".

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    8. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 2

      Struth! "Chrimbo" is taking aussie slanging words to a a ridiculous extreme.

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    9. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by CubicleView · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple has money to spare. And the damage is already done

      I have mixed feelings about this. Samsung got a slap in the face for sure, and this has already affected the design of their future products, so even if the court say otherwise, battle won by Apple. But I can't help but feel this was the first (or second ish) shot in a war that utltimitly Apple can't win.

    10. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by Teeroy32 · · Score: 2

      Crikey, fair shake of the sauce bottle mate

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    11. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by CowTipperGore · · Score: 2

      But I can't help but feel this was the first (or second ish) shot in a war that utltimitly Apple can't win.

      Apple wins by delaying competition as long as possible. Just like with the mobile phone market, you can be certain that Apple's market domination will be cut into significantly by other makers across the next year or two. Apple is willing to spend a lot on legal maneuverings for nothing but the time it buys them.

    12. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 2

      Don't come the raw prawn with me mate, or I'll do me flamin' block!

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    13. Re:and ordered Apple to pay court costs by SleazyRidr · · Score: 2

      Calm down yah flamin' galah! I can see you as dry as a dead dingo's donger, so down this tinnie, and you'll be right as rain.

  3. Supreme Court = High Court by quarrel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple have sought leave to appeal to the High Court of Australia, Australia's highest court. So it's like the Supreme Court in the US - there are no appeals beyond that, and they get to pick and choose what cases they take, so there is little certainty Apple will get anywhere appealing now.

    (The Supreme Court usage in the summary is misleading to Australians because Supreme Courts here are State-based courts.)

    This is a good ruling I think. You could readily buy the 10.1 here online (ebay etc) and have it shipped to you - cheaper than you'd pay a local retailer too. If there is merit to Apple's case they'll be able to get damages down the line for the patent infringement.

    --Q

    1. Re:Supreme Court = High Court by quarrel · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, there isn't.

      The Australia Acts (Federal and State) removed appeal to the Privy Council in the 80s for Australians.

      The High Court doesn't and can't grant an appeal to the Privy Council (and this predates even the Australia Acts).

      --Q

    2. Re:Supreme Court = High Court by HJED · · Score: 3, Informative

      Although the path of appeal from the High Court to the Privy Council had been effectively blocked, the High Court could not block appeals from State supreme courts directly to the Privy Council. Nor did the Constitution limit, or provide for legislation to limit, such appeals. The expense of any appeal to the Privy Council in London had been a deterrent: in any year, there had never been more than a handful. Nonetheless, by the 1980s the possibility of appeal from a State supreme court was seen as outdated.

      Constitution s 74 has not been amended, and the Constitution cannot be amended by legislation.[4] Nonetheless, s 11 of the Australia Act goes as far as legislatively possible, to make s 74 a dead letter.

      I read that section as saying that whilst it is not normal to do so, the state supreme courts have the power to send appeals to the privy council and have not ruled it out.

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    3. Re:Supreme Court = High Court by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well if you get really pedantic, your all wrong because everything your posting is based on the assertion that the state and federal parliaments and the courts in Australia are legitimate. There are plenty of legal problems dating back almost 1000 years that could be used to argue that they aren't and that acts of parliament have no power over us because we are not party to any contract with them...

      One relevant point is the Mabo decision which basically said, "Yeah the Crown broke its own law in occupying this continent and that makes the whole thing illegitimate, but we're going to just say that we've been established here long enough we must be legitimate... or at least legitimate enough to assert our own legitimacy".

      I think the same kind of thing applies with appeals to the Privy Council. According to the letter of the law and the history, s74 is as legitimate as anything else in the artifice of the Commonwealth, but convention agrees with you that it's pretty much void.

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  4. Only a partial victory by Billlagr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple managed to get a stay in the lifting of the ban until 4pm Friday, to give them enough time to get an urgent High Court hearing, so the way isn't clear for Samsung just yet.

    1. Re:Only a partial victory by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple managed to get a stay in the lifting of the ban until 4pm Friday, to give them enough time to get an urgent High Court hearing, so the way isn't clear for Samsung just yet.

      I highly doubt Apple will get a High Court hearing, let alone one tomorrow given the fact the actual alleged infringement case is ongoing in the Federal Court. This case was just over the injunction.

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  5. I wish... by joocemann · · Score: 2

    ...we had consumer power, so we could avoid these companies that banter back and forth like shitty brats.

    Thanks to the same lawyer armies, no competition has survived gestation.

    When society collapses and we return to dirt living, I will vote against these scum by simply not sharing where I got my water. better start gettin outdoors now lawyer goons!

    1. Re:I wish... by joocemann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By the way, I'm posting from a samsung, and was just on an apple at work.... reminds me of the OWS photo demonstrating how people cannot function in modern society with the dichotomy of "support the oligopolies or be dysfunctional".. The photo where people protesting corporations had corporate products.... We are so screwed.

  6. Very little to say to this... by drhodesmumby · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except for the inevitable: win. The patent system, and to a lesser extent intellectual property as a whole, is causing severe problems in several industries worldwide. Technology it seems is suffering more than any other, and it's obvious why; with emerging markets such as smartphones and tablets there's everything to play for. Ecosystems haven't had time to settle down or seize the consumer yet, hardware is rapidly advancing and the field in general is in a state of flux. If you can gain dominance now and maintain it for as long as it takes for the market to settle down then you'll effectively monopolise it for the long-term, just as Microsoft managed with Windows and IE. The stakes are considerably higher too. Mobiles are growing so much faster than either the desktop or notebook markets and mobiles are so much more deeply ingrained into the average consumer's everyday life that quite frankly the potential for growth, both in profit and mindshare, is huge. With all this, it's scarcely surprising that companies are playing dirty. I only hope that this is the beginning of a backlash against Apple; when one company is a clear winner, that makes the consumer as much into the loser as any competitor.

    1. Re:Very little to say to this... by anonymov · · Score: 2

      it seems to disregard the stunning advances we've had over the past two decades.

      Are those stunning advances due to or in spite of patents?

  7. In a related incident: by Metabolife · · Score: 5, Funny

    The court also ruled that consumers are allowed to take a single bite into an apple so long as they bite from the bottom.

  8. Australian retailers have wasted little time. by mjwx · · Score: 2

    A few Aussie retailers have already started advertising the SGT for sale. Kogan for example is offering the SGT for A$50 or more cheaper then the equivalent Ipads (which Kogan also sell).

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  9. what would you expect by rust627 · · Score: 2

    This is the same company that is charging an extra AU$80:00 toAU$120 per iPad just because the boat turns right and comes here to Australia rather than turning left and going to the USA.

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  10. Damage Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The damage has already been done though. Who's going to want to buy a Galaxy Tab when they can get something newer and probably better? Unlike Apple that releases but one new tablet every year, there are dozens of Android manufacturers constantly putting out new products that trump what was available months ago. In this kind of environment, a delay of a few months is huge. Since the initial delay, both Amazon and Barnes & Noble have released new devices for cheap that undercut almost everything else and ASUS is about to release the Transformer Prime which dominates the Galaxy Tab on the high end. Sure Samsung won, but they still lost.

    1. Re:Damage Done by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Possibly, but I think the one good thing that came from this for Samsung is the free publicity. Geeks all know about the Transformer Prime, but average consumers don't and probably won't find out about it for ages because Asus don't really advertise much.

      Meanwhile Samsung has been all over the papers and mainstream news sites and it has been obvious to a lot of them that Apple is frightened that the Galaxy might be better than an iPad if the comments on the (very pro Apple) Fairfax news are anything to go by. The whole episode has created a bit of an anti Apple backlash and I wouldn't be surprised if it plays out to Samsung's advantage in the medium term.

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  11. Update and two cents by Wasusa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Quick update on this: http://www.news.com.au/technology/tablets/samsung-wins-australian-appeal-case-in-apple-tablet-war/story-fn6vigfp-1226210226842 They can't actually start selling yet, and apple are trying to overturn the overturned decision. And why would you get a Galaxy tab, especially now that the Transformer is out and about

  12. Nothing to do with rounded corners by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

    Since this seems to be a recurring meme in all Apple-on-Samsung angst hereabouts, note that this does not apply in this case - the patents that Apple used to obtain the original ban were technology patents, not design patents. Most notably, one of them is a patent on capacitive multitouch.

  13. Re:Consumers will suffer because of this decision by ThosLives · · Score: 2

    Whenever I see someone with an iPhone I think "you poor idiot". Blinded by bling without the ability to actually think things through for yourself.

    Why does this type of sentiment exist? I don't mean specifically for Brand X or Brand Y, but in general? Shouldn't the sentiment be "I'm glad there are both Brand X and Brand Y, because there are indeed legitimate reasons to use either brand, not the least of which is simply personal preference"?

    Consider this - while I prefer Coke, I'm glad there is Coke, Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, RC Cola, etc. because then everyone has a chance to drink the beverage they prefer. The only times I get really mad is when a restaurant has an exclusive contract with the beverage I least prefer (in this case I'm often better off to be honest, as I default to water).

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