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AT&T Issues Scathing Response To FCC Report

An anonymous reader writes "AT&T has issued a scathing letter in response to the FCC's decision to release a staff report on its findings surrounding AT&T's planned $39 billion acquisition of T-Mobile USA. 'We expected that the AT&T-T-Mobile transaction would receive careful, considered, and fair analysis,' Jim Cicconi, AT&T Senior Executive Vice President of External & Legislative Affairs, said. 'Unfortunately, the preliminary FCC Staff Analysis offers none of that.'"

215 comments

  1. Unimpressive. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure that AT&T's response is simply a toddler's temper tantrum with a midlife crisis and an expensive suit.

    1. Re:Unimpressive. by sneakyimp · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah they can use that $39B to pay for a gigantic waaaaahmbulance.

    2. Re:Unimpressive. by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      I believe the proper internet forums response is that AT&T be trollin.

    3. Re:Unimpressive. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0

      Personified they'd buy themselves a Porsche or M3, then lay off a few more people because they can, by day.

      Then after work, they'd put on their dickhead helmet with their neon spandex and erratically ride carbon-fiber bicycles in the middle of every automotive turn lane they come across.

      Fuck you momma, I didn't wanted those cookies anyway. *slumps flat on butt in the middle of sidewalk, kicks feet*

    4. Re:Unimpressive. by sneakyimp · · Score: 0

      We see them trollin' / we be hatin'

    5. Re:Unimpressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      patrollin' and tryin to catch em' anti-trustin'

    6. Re:Unimpressive. by surgen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You took the words from my mouth, the last few days the only impression I've been getting from AT&T is one of a crybaby.

      My favorite part of TFA was Sprint's comment, they're basically using fancy words to point and laugh.

    7. Re:Unimpressive. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The FCC has no comment regarding hatred, but wishes it to be known that, by authority duly granted by Congress, they be Regulatin' Word.

    8. Re:Unimpressive. by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup. The only reason they withdrew their application is so that the report would not be published. They're pissed because their ploy didn't work.

    9. Re:Unimpressive. by mgblst · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You could try reading it, then you would see they bring up some good points.

      Of course, nothing showing that this merger is not a stupid idea for consumers, but they do make some decent points about why ATT wanted this merger, problem with spectrum, and running out of space.

    10. Re:Unimpressive. by geoffrobinson · · Score: 2

      RTFA? You know you're on Slashdot, right?

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    11. Re:Unimpressive. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have been following the AT&T merger bid for some time. Nothing in what has happened so far inclines me to believe that AT&T wanted this merger for anything other than improved margins, as opposed to spectrum concerns or those oh-so-precious-'people in the boonies who don't have 4G+++ yet!!' that everybody always invokes when they want something from the FCC.

      AT&T's response, now, is basically a "How dare they call our mass of outrageous lies and mendacious fabrications a mass of outrageous lies and mendacious fabrications! Do they know who we are?" response, couched in the always-cloying language of injured innocence and shock, shock, that those mean meanies at the FCC could be so mean. I honestly can't decide whether nausea or contempt is winning in my reaction to it...

    12. Re:Unimpressive. by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      You took the words from my mouth, the last few days the only impression I've been getting from AT&T is one of a crybaby.

      My favorite part of TFA was Sprint's comment, they're basically using fancy words to point and laugh.

      From TFA: “Over the past several years, no company has invested more in the United States than AT&T,” Cicconi said

      Bull. Where? GSM in New York? What about their copper? ATT has countless miles of ancient copper all over the US, creating sub-par connectivity over their own DSL product and the DSL product for all the local ISP's to which they lease their copper.

      They milk the arthritic cow of their copper infrastructure yet strongarm to create a wireless empire not unlike the behemoth which got broken up years ago.

      Sure, sure, wireless is the way of the future, blah blah blah.

      Read a couple articles up re: the usage based internet fees, AHA the netflix tax. In 10 years get everyone on the only two choices in the US - comcast and AT+T. Yeah, there's no monopolies, plenty of competition.

      Sorry, had to rant. I know it doesn't make sense.

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    13. Re:Unimpressive. by squidflakes · · Score: 2

      Jim Cicconi, AT&T Senior Executive Vice President of External & Legislative Affairs, said. 'Unfortunately, the preliminary FCC Staff Analysis offers none of the things we paid for.'"

      There, I fixed that for them.

    14. Re:Unimpressive. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      39billion for T-Mobile.

      Wow, is that, no, that is the fund built from excessive profits and gouging.

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  2. Newsflash! by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

    AT&T is not the United Nations. And even if they were, a firmly worded letter is getting them nowhere here.

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    1. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell, even the UN's firmly worded letter get's them nowhere :|

    2. Re:Newsflash! by Gerzel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course not.

      The firmly worded letter is for appearances.

      The bribed senators and congressmen are the ones that will actually move things for them.

    3. Re:Newsflash! by 517714 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Executive Department offers an alternative that reduces the number of palms that must greased in order to achieve one's ends.

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    4. Re:Newsflash! by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or just bribe the people at FCC. It worked for NBC/Comcast. At first there was resistance, then the FCC person in charge of it approves of it, retires, and 'MAGICALLY' starts working for NBC all of a sudden. You can't explain that.

    5. Re:Newsflash! by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Or just bribe the people at FCC. It worked for NBC/Comcast. At first there was resistance, then the FCC person in charge of it approves of it, retires, and 'MAGICALLY' starts working for NBC all of a sudden. You can't explain that.

      I'm sure Henry Paulson and ilk of his kind can explain it within business today. It's called "status quo".

      What's to really explain here when greed and corruption not only run the world, but it's gotten to the point where assholes-in-charge blatantly and flippantly do it right in front of us, and then stand back with a "yeah, what the hell are YOU gonna do about it" look on their face.

      And the horrible reality with their attitude is they're absolutely right. Not a damn thing will be done against the 1%. Ever. Now that they know this, the game is pretty much over for the rest of us.

    6. Re:Newsflash! by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      They don't bribe that's illegal, they give their family members cushy jobs, and make large campaign contributions. Ultimately the only way this deal won't go through is if our elected officials fear that they will lose their job if they side with AT&T. Our politicians long ago forgot about right and wrong and losing their power is the only deterrent.

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    7. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, right. It wasn't obvious to them for the past few thousand years, but now that they have, we're done for.

      Because they're at least as evil as you try to make them out, and we're at least as apathetic.

      Your generalities and platitudes and rhetoric are at least as disgusting as what some of "them" do.

    8. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it looks like a duck...

    9. Re:Newsflash! by S73rM4n · · Score: 1

      Aliens...

  3. say it often enough, it starts to sound true by lambent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    at this point, i wonder if AT&T has actually bought its own story, or if they have to practice keeping a straight face in the mirror every morning.

    1. Re:say it often enough, it starts to sound true by DanTheManMS · · Score: 1

      If you weren't already at +5 Insightful, I would mod you up.

    2. Re:say it often enough, it starts to sound true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They HAVE bought their own story. I've spoken with several semi-high big-wigs at AT&T. They think the merger is inevitable because of the "spectrum need". :|

  4. Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AT&T buying T-Mobile is a bad thing for consumers. The original cell phone plan was that there would be two providers, the local Ma Bell and a start-up. AT&T as SBC bought up the East Coast start-ups, Verizon bought the West Coast ones, and T-Mobile and Sprint came to the party as national big-city carriers on at the time open space adjustments.

    AT&T of the 1980s was busted up as a monopoly. If AT&T is allowed to have T-Mobile, what's stopping Verizon and Sprint from joining up? Less competitors always leads to higher prices. Anybody remember what cellphones cost in the early 1990s?

    1. Re:Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by scot4875 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AT&T of the 1980s was busted up as a monopoly. If AT&T is allowed to have T-Mobile, what's stopping Verizon and Sprint from joining up? Less competitors always leads to higher prices. Anybody remember what cellphones cost in the early 1990s?

      Look, I'm not going to argue that we shouldn't prevent a cell phone service monopoly, but using the cost of cellphones in the early 1990s as an argument against it isn't even remotely valid.

      Computers cost upwards of $2k for a typical desktop in the early 1990s and there were *way* more PC manufacturers back then (remember Computer Shopper magazine?). One could just as easily say "More competitors lead to higher prices. Anybody remember what PCs cost in the early 1990s?" and be equally wrong.

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    2. Re:Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh? Say you pay $70/month for your phone. 2 year contract. $200 phone. That's $1880.00.
      Oh, you have more phones and lines...

    3. Re:Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One of the biggest problems with the old ATT was the lack of innovation. They would throw the occasional video-phone demo out there, but they were intent to push ISDN as their home high bandwidth solution and ultra-pricey T-1 lines as their business option. We would not have as many high bandwidth options before us (cable at home and leased fiber at work) if it had not been for the break-up of the monopoly and the introduction of a spate of DSL and cable providers

      ATT has mass, inertia and $26B to burn, but a telcom world dominated by them offers us fewer options

      as far as the falling prices of various electronic gee-gaws, I think that it has more to do with market saturation and innovation of new features than anything else

    4. Re:Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computers cost way more in the 90's was mostly becuase of manufacturing costs. Not becuase or lack of makers.

    5. Re:Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parts were more expensive to build given that consumer PC's were still 'new' at the time, the market was growing and people thought they could take something from that.

      Failing market strategies in a specialist market in a specific time period doesn't invalidate a general economical hypothesis which has been proven true over the last 100 years over longer periods of time in all markets.

    6. Re:Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by breagerey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Look, I'm not going to argue that we shouldn't prevent a cell phone service monopoly, but using the cost of cellphones in the early 1990s as an argument against it isn't even remotely valid.

      Computers cost upwards of $2k for a typical desktop in the early 1990s and there were *way* more PC manufacturers back then (remember Computer Shopper magazine?). One could just as easily say "More competitors lead to higher prices. Anybody remember what PCs cost in the early 1990s?" and be equally wrong.

      --Jeremy

      I just put another machine together and it was ~ $1.5k
      The first machine I bought was a 486dx2 an it was ~ $1.5k

      There are definitely more low end options out there now - but the price of putting a decent machine together really hasn't change that much.

    7. Re:Two megers away from "The" Cell Phone Company by PhinMak · · Score: 2

      I think your definition of "decent computer" has shifted. Cut the performance specs by 10% and you'll save 50% off of that $1.5k for the decent modern computer. This would be like buying TODAY a computer that was "decent" 12 months ago. Moore's law etc.

      There's a local guy near me that buys used laptops (2 years old), referbs them, and sells them out of his store for less than $200. I'd say that a computer from 2009 is still "decent".

  5. Make sure to read the bottom of the page by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

    For Sprint's short and sweet response, compared to ATT's long-winded vague casting of aspersions against the FCC staff.

    The FCC staff’s Analysis and Findings provide a careful, substantive analysis of AT&T’s proposed takeover of T-Mobile, consistent with the FCC’s role as the independent, expert agency responsible for such merger reviews. Rather than accept the expert agency’s Analysis and Findings, AT&T has chosen to make baseless claims about the FCC’s process. [...]

    1. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by DiabolicallyRandom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lol - I just love this whole thing. ATT is like the giant internet forum troll, throwing a temper tantrum because they got banned from the forums, and sprint is like the even keeled bystander, explaining to the banned individual why trolling is wrong.

    2. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by CtownNighrider · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points you would have them

    3. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You forgot the, IMO, best part:

      We agree with AT&T on one point however: the public should read the Analysis and Findings on AT&T’s proposed takeover.

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    4. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by tibit · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I disagree. I'm no lover of AT&T, I got screwed by them once on international calls and had to fight for a couple of months to get my money back. This was at a time when money was in really short supply, and the $500 or so that I had to get back would have made a big difference. If you actually read FCC's Analysis, and look at what AT&T disagrees with, you can't but agree with AT&T. Their rebuttal is backed by facts, and an hour of googling later you will see for yourself that they are certainly right in the issues they have enumerated. I would have personally really wanted AT&T's response to turn out to be made up shitty troll, but it turns out not to be so.

      Sprint's "short and sweet" response turns out to be completely unfounded. It essentially translates to "yeah, yeah, we don't like AT&T either, kudos to FCC for sharing in our dislike". FCC did a pathetic job in their Analysis, that's all there's to it.

      Calling AT&T's response "scathing" is uncalled for. We have a saying in Polish: the truth stings you in the eyes. As far as I'm concerned, the submitter takes "factual" for "scathing". It's silly. People often take a defensive stance when presented with facts that clearly contradict whatever they previously claimed, so I can at least understand the psychology in the mostly negative reaction to AT&T's rebuke to FCC. What I don't get is why people side with FCC without spending the time necessary to verify the sources. It only takes a couple of hours.

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    5. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The main problem I see with what you say is this: very few people believed the AT&T-T-Mobile merger was a good thing before the Analysis. I only skimmed it briefly, but it seemed to approach the issue from the point of view that the onus is on AT&T to show that the merger is in the public interest, and not just AT&Ts (which they seem to grant.)

      The "commitments" of a company with AT&T's history are worth less to me then the photons my screen used to display them to me. It should come as no surprise that the report is unbalanced: the truth is this merger is a bad idea, at many levels. If AT&T wants it to go through, they basically need to show that both companies absolutely needed it. The report seems to say they didn't show that, but only made broad claims.

      In other words, the FCC is calling AT&T liars, and I agree. AT&T doesn't like that, and their response is laden with innuendo and falsities. For example, "The document is so obviously one-sided that any fair-minded person reading it is left with the clear impression that it is an advocacy piece..." So if you don't agree with AT&T's interpretation, you clearly aren't "fair minded." Yeah, that sort of language is only going to make me like you even less. If they really have valid points, fine. But even if they do, using that language is going to make me discard it as manipulative marketing.

      Add in the fact that AT&T tried to withdraw the merger application so the report wouldn't be made public, and it really is a poor showing overall for AT&T.

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    6. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree. I'm no lover of AT&T, I got screwed by them once on international calls and had to fight for a couple of months to get my money back. This was at a time when money was in really short supply, and the $500 or so that I had to get back would have made a big difference. If you actually read FCC's Analysis, and look at what AT&T disagrees with, you can't but agree with AT&T. Their rebuttal is backed by facts, and an hour of googling later you will see for yourself that they are certainly right in the issues they have enumerated. I would have personally really wanted AT&T's response to turn out to be made up shitty troll, but it turns out not to be so.

      Sprint's "short and sweet" response turns out to be completely unfounded. It essentially translates to "yeah, yeah, we don't like AT&T either, kudos to FCC for sharing in our dislike". FCC did a pathetic job in their Analysis, that's all there's to it.

      Calling AT&T's response "scathing" is uncalled for. We have a saying in Polish: the truth stings you in the eyes. As far as I'm concerned, the submitter takes "factual" for "scathing". It's silly. People often take a defensive stance when presented with facts that clearly contradict whatever they previously claimed, so I can at least understand the psychology in the mostly negative reaction to AT&T's rebuke to FCC. What I don't get is why people side with FCC without spending the time necessary to verify the sources. It only takes a couple of hours.

      It sounds like you only read the rebuttal and didn't consider the context. In this case the context is reality. The assertions AT&T makes and the way they try to cherry pick their issues just don't jive with reality. Even if they can factually tell us that they'll create N jobs in the U.S., that doesn't mean it's a good thing when independent analysis done months ago (and common sense) concluded that in addition to creating those N jobs they'll be eliminating 3N jobs.

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    7. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by kick6 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      the truth is this merger is a bad idea, at many levels.

      If this is true, why did the FCC feel the need to (in AT&T's opinion, and I agree) make shit up to show that it was a bad idea? If it was, in fact, a bad idea the evidence supporting this should have been pretty easy to find.

    8. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup!

      It's classic, don't take our word for it. You can read their absurdity for yourself!

    9. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what shit? what's funny about it is that at&t says that fcc is making shit up and that shit they're making up is that at&t would increase their network coverage regardless of if the merger happens - at&t is implying they wouldn't increase their lte coverage if they can't buy out their competition. basically at&t here is saying they're sitting on a pile of money and will not invest it if there's competition and that they would "commit" to creating more jobs only if the merger went through, otherwise they wouldn't bother to try to compete.

      also at&t seems to go to great lengths to explain how _neither_ company, tmobile or at&t has sufficient spectrum to serve their current customers. how is putting them together going to help with that, exactly? they should increase the fucking cell-count and bitch less.

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    10. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by makomk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More than that, Ars Technica actually has an interesting quote from the FCC report:

      AT&T claims it cannot now build enough additional sites and obtain sufficient additional spectrum in a few localities to expand an existing and successful business. Yet AT&T simultaneously argues that the smaller providers would solve any competitive problem by installing entirely new networks over most of the country, a task that would require substantially more cell construction and integration than AT&T's claimed requirements absent the transaction.

      Basically they're claiming that they can't expand their business because they can't get enough spectrum or build enough sites, but that smaller regional competitors with less money and less spectrum available to them than either AT&T or T-Mobile alone would somehow miraculously be able to expand enough to become a meaningful competitor.

    11. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by Targon · · Score: 2

      In any merger, there will be a loss of middle management and operational jobs, that's a given. The problem is how people try to spin it. The FCC has not done a very good job trying to make the playing field level by forcing all towers to be open for any carrier that wants to use it(if they can run their own fiber of course).

      Basic fact here, T-mobile is going to go away in the next few years, if AT&T gets them or not. This means there will be an automatic reduction in competition, no matter what. Using "loss of competition" actually makes ZERO sense with that in mind. The parent company of T-mobile has decided they want to drop T-mobile, and it is just a matter of time. If T-mobile goes away, will that make jobs or not? A merger would SAVE most of the operational jobs at this point, even if it does not "create them". Maintenance of cell phone towers is an area that would NOT see a loss of jobs.

      Increased competition....AT&T really has a hard time competing with Verizon for overall coverage area, and could use more towers to fill in holes in coverage. AT&T really is NOT competitive with Verizon where I live for quality of service, but I hate Verizon. The merger with T-mobile would help. Sprint on the other hand, does not want to be seen as the "last place" carrier, so they want T-mobile to stick around....the problem is, T-mobile will NOT be around for all that much longer. Sprint has a coverage map that is even worse than AT&T, so they see a stronger AT&T as bad for them, meaning Sprint will be less competitive.

      So, access to a larger national network....does that justify having higher prices when the cost to run the network is so much higher? T-mobile has the low prices just to get people in the door, even if they BARELY pull a profit on those accounts for the cost to provide the service. Growing the coverage area...since 2002, has T-mobile even grown their coverage map? If they don't have the income to expand, that would explain it and would make a merger with AT&T GOOD for customers.

      So, there are downsides to the merger, like $150,000+ employees being out of work(their jobs would not be needed), but the upsides to having a better coverage map would be better. People just need to remember that there is something called the costs of operations, and a larger map will mean those costs will be higher.

    12. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read AT&T's response carefully enough, you'll notice that they very carefully state which jobs - mainly call centers - are safe, probably because of their deal with the union. "Non-management employees whose job functions are no longer required" will be given alternative employment - but it doesn't say where. What are the odds AT&T will "offer" an employee in California a job in Maine? Or a job they have no interest in doing? "Hey, we offered them a job to clean toilets in Fargo...not our fault they didn't take it!"

    13. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by colinnwn · · Score: 1

      Basic fact here, T-mobile is going to go away in the next few years, if AT&T gets them or not. This means there will be an automatic reduction in competition, no matter what.

      On what basis do you argue this? It seems clear in the forseeable future, DT won't own T-Mobile. But T-Mobile is making a modest profit, and their only real challenge is capital for a next generation network. Their current network will be relevant to the middle and lower part of the cellphone market for many years though. Competition (from a practical perspective) would likely only decrease if T-Mo shut down its network (not likely since it does make money) or AT&T or Verizon bought them (not likely per FCC response). The alternatives (Sprint merger, another company purchases T-Mo, strategic parnership, independent publicly traded company) would be status quo on competition.

    14. Re:Make sure to read the bottom of the page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your argument would seem to make sense GIVEN that T-Mobile will be "disappearing" in a few years, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that they WILL be gone NO MATTER WHAT in a few years.

      Granted, this is /. so I haven't RTFA, RTFFCCR (read the fine FCC report), or RTFR (read the fine rebuttal).

  6. So, who else might buy T-Mobile? by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine if Apple bought T-Mobile, then refused to sell their phones through any other service provider?

    1. Re:So, who else might buy T-Mobile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T mobile is dead. Period. Let the sell off of assets proceed.

    2. Re:So, who else might buy T-Mobile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's highly illegal in the US. Handset manufacturers aren't allowed to own carriers, and vice versa.

      Personally, I'd like to see either Telefónica or Shaw buy T-Mo.

    3. Re:So, who else might buy T-Mobile? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      >T mobile is dead. Period. Let the sell off of assets proceed.

      My T Mobile serviced cell phone still works fine. So it's a newer, shiner kind of dead I suppose.

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    4. Re:So, who else might buy T-Mobile? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      That's highly illegal in the US. Handset manufacturers aren't allowed to own carriers, and vice versa.

      Personally, I'd like to see either Telefónica or Shaw buy T-Mo.

      well, that's news. how come they're allowed to order phones form china and sell them plastered with their logos, sw and with chips chosen by them and to make news pr stories about how _they_ design the phones?

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    5. Re:So, who else might buy T-Mobile? by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      I don't think my wife will let me bid on the T-Mobile girl.

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    6. Re:So, who else might buy T-Mobile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to my sgh-989 (t-mobile galaxy s ii) droid which happily flits (in a manly way) between wifi and t-mobile's 4g.

      I don't really care if they sell to someone other than AT&T. I just don't want there to be only one GSM provider in the U.S.

  7. Terrible idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes because locking yourself out of potential vast amounts of profit is what Apple prefers to do right?

    1. Re:Terrible idea... by Grave · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's kinda what they did when they went AT&T exclusive at the start.. there's a whole big argument to be made regarding what would've happened with iOS vs. Android had Verizon not been left out of the iPhone sales fest early on and decided to retaliate with pushing and marketing the Droid the way they did.

    2. Re:Terrible idea... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On the other hand, it's possible that Android would never have been able to make it to market without Apple first muscling their way into the game the way they did. One of the benefits they got by going exclusive was that they were allowed a lot more control over their hardware and what could be installed on it than any other phone manufacturer was. You could make an argument that the smartphone market wouldn't be as big as it was without Apple showing what was possible.

      Hard to tell. It's all guesswork at this point.

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    3. Re:Terrible idea... by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      "had Verizon not been left out of the iPhone sales fest early on" That's an odd way to characterize what happened. The folklore is that Apple tried to recruit Verizon but insisted that the iPhone not be screwed up by the carrier and Apple would manage all the apps. Verizon told Apple to take a hike and AT&T got exclusivity in return for accepting Apple's unprecedented demands. Way too many people don't recall that the cellphone market was utterly controlled by the carriers before the iPhone was launched and how shitty it was as a result. The carriers still have way too much power to mess up the user experience (monthly charge for what an app could do for a one time charge - tethering, for example) but it is still so much better today.

    4. Re:Terrible idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it's possible that Android would never have been able to make it to market without Apple first muscling their way into the game

      It's more than possible, Google has publicly stated it, though not in the way that you suggest. Google saw a world where Apple dominated the smartphone market and realized that iAds were coming and that they'd be shut out of the mobile advertising market. Google couldn't let that happen, so we have Android.

      It wasn't the iPhone showing what it was possible for smartphones to be, it was the iPhone showing what smartphones would become if it wasn't challenged.

    5. Re:Terrible idea... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Google bought android way before they knew about the iphone.

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    6. Re:Terrible idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's kinda what they did when they went AT&T exclusive at the start.. there's a whole big argument to be made regarding what would've happened with iOS vs. Android had Verizon not been left out of the iPhone sales fest early on and decided to retaliate with pushing and marketing the Droid the way they did.

      Apple did the exclusive deal with ATT because it needed a carrier that would bend over while Apple rammed through a bunch of disruptive (to the carriers) ideas. Namely, Visual Voicemail and phones with apps distributed by the manufacturer instead of pre-loaded by the carrier.

      It worked, the ideas took hold, and ATT made a lot of money, but the carriers' collective asses are still sore.

    7. Re:Terrible idea... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Yes people have short memories about details like how much crap came with cell phones, even the dumb ones. Verizon had these restrictions on how people could not play custom ringtones. Verizon wanted people to buy from their music store at like $5 per song. Which could only be played on that phone.

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  8. Re:Money by ProfM · · Score: 5, Informative
    Yeah right.

    Open Secrets classifies the corporation as a fence sitter when it comes to politics, although during the 2008 presidential election, Barack Obama was clearly the telco's favorite.

    http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Top-Campaign-Contributor-Since-1990-110351

  9. Re:Money by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess giving quite a bit to Obama didn't help them out... makes sense to change sides.

  10. Poor AT&T by 0101000001001010 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ohhhh, poor AT&T. Your regulator has some teeth and is preserving the bit of competition that still exists in wireless? We all feel so very very bad for you.

  11. Expectations. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    AT&T has issued a scathing letter in response ... 'We expected that the AT&T-T-Mobile transaction would receive careful, considered, and fair analysis,' ... 'Unfortunately, the preliminary FCC Staff Analysis offers none of that.'

    Since things didn't go their way, did anyone really expect a different response from AT&T? Can you imagine this?

    AT&T: What were we thinking! <foreheadsmack> It's obvious now that we're wankers.
    We commend the FCC for their insightful analysis; well done and thank you for your efforts.

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    1. Re:Expectations. by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, but I can imagine silence. Or a one-sentence 'we respectfully disagree'.

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    2. Re:Expectations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or what if the deal had been approved, but without proper evaluation. AT&T is bitching about not receiving fair consideration, so that grievance would still stand, right? right??

    3. Re:Expectations. by Maestro4k · · Score: 2

      Since things didn't go their way, did anyone really expect a different response from AT&T?

      Did I expect them to suddenly agree? No. Did I expect them to disagree in a way that wouldn't antagonize the FCC? Yes. And it's gotten noticed already, as Ars Technica's article points out in an update:

      The FCC doesn't appear to be very happy about AT&T's comments. In a comment made via the FCC's Twitter feed, Joel Guerin, the chief of the FCC's Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau said he was deeply concerned about AT&T's response to the release of the report.

      This is likely to cause AT&T trouble down the line. Pissing off the officials who oversee your business is never a good move. Congress is unlikely to be impressed either.

    4. Re:Expectations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One could also argue that it's a bad idea to have a public tantrum aimed at regulators who will almost certainly be judging your *next* deal.

    5. Re:Expectations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't expect that. AT&T needs to explain to shareholders why an enormously expensive operation didn't work. Vilifying the government regulatory board is a much better strategy.

      I'm quite serious. Look at who people elect. Generally we elect assholes, not respectful, thoughtful people.

    6. Re:Expectations. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Precisely why shouldn't they have a twitter feed? By that logic they probably shouldn't have a website or phone number either.

    7. Re:Expectations. by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 2

      I suspect it is not as much for the shareholders as they want to paint the picture to politicians that the FCC is totally out of control so the politicians will weaken the FCC. I'm sure several politicians and maybe Fox will see this opportunity to jump on the FCC.

    8. Re:Expectations. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The FCC should not have a twitter account for the same reason that the FCC should not have a radio station or television station.

      I thought that this shit would be obvious.

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    9. Re:Expectations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's in it for Fox? The FCC keeps the big four networks in power.

    10. Re:Expectations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I suppose the Voice of America is right out?

    11. Re:Expectations. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The FCC should not have a twitter account for the same reason that the FCC should not have a radio station or television station.
      I thought that this shit would be obvious.

      No, twitter being the same as radio or television is not obvious. (or correct...)

    12. Re:Expectations. by CCurzon · · Score: 2

      A twitter account is more like broadcasting a message on a TV or radio show, rather than owning a TV or radio station. They would not be directly regulating themselves.

  12. Re:Money by ProfM · · Score: 2

    Hmmmm .... guess I shouldn't just assume the first link has all of the info. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000076

  13. That's a rude response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They should break that company up again, it seems the first time wasn't enough to curb their arrogance.

    1. Re:That's a rude response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight, wish I had mod points for you.

    2. Re:That's a rude response by Nimey · · Score: 2

      The proceedings would take too long, and before it would be finished we'd have a Republican in the White House again.

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    3. Re:That's a rude response by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They should break that company up again, it seems the first time wasn't enough to curb their arrogance.

      While I agree that AT&T should be broken up, the "again" part isn't really correct. The company that now calls itself AT&T isn't really the same company as the one that was broken up.

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    4. Re:That's a rude response by TexVex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had been using smartphones for over four years, until just recently. I had an iPhone for two years, and before that I used a Pocket PC that could do everything an iPhone could do except it didn't have such a slick interface. All that time, I had a basic voice package and a decent data plan.

      Recently (tough economic times and all) I decided to really have a look at what I was paying for and what I was getting. I found out that more of my "rollover minutes" simply decayed after non-use than I ever actually used. I never used more than 20% of my "evening and weekend" minutes. I never used more than 10% of my Internet bandwidth cap.

      Basically, I was paying $85 or so per month and letting most of the value of it go to waste.

      So, I switched to pre-paid TracFone. I bought a decent Motorola that has a touchscreen and a decent collection of features. I lost GPS navigation, but that's ok because I have a GPS in my car now. Other than that, I can still talk, text, browse, play games, and anything else I could do before.

      The phone came with a "triple minutes for life" deal. Basically, that means that so long as I use that same phone, I buy my pre-paid minutes at $0.047. If I browse the Web, it charges me for the time in minutes, instead of metering my bandwidth. Text messages are about 1.5 cents apiece to send and receive.

      And all of it goes over AT&T's network. I have the same service provider as before. Same signal quality. Same Internet bandwidth.

      Another thing I did was invest $30 in a decent headset for my computer. When I'm at home, I now use Google Voice to make outgoing phone calls. I get great sound quality and don't pay a penny for it. These are my new "evening and weekend" minutes...

      I paid $90 for the phone, and I charged it up with a little under 1300 minutes at a price of $60. That was 2.5 months ago. I still have 430 minutes remaining. That basically means I'm using my phone for a hair under $16.50 per month now. That's a savings of about $70 per month. The cheaper service has already paid for the phone. Anybody want to buy a used iPhone 3GS?

      If you use the hell out of your smartphone, you might be getting your money's worth. But if you're a more "casual" smartphone user, then you're getting seriously ripped off.

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    5. Re:That's a rude response by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The company that now calls itself AT&T isn't really the same company as the one that was broken up.

      Considering that the AT&T which remained after the original breakup was bought out (largely for the name) by one of the Baby Bells, and that's the AT&T we have now, I'm not sure how much difference there really is. The old Ma Bell culture stayed alive and well throughout. Monoplies like Standard Oil and the original AT&T are like goddamn T-1000s: break them up all you want, they'll just reassemble and keep coming after you.

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    6. Re:That's a rude response by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Better yet, appoint Arnold to be the CEO. He can do to AT&T what he did to California.

    7. Re:That's a rude response by sstamps · · Score: 2

      Text messages are about 1.5 cents apiece to send and receive.

      ..and that's still a rip-off. Consider:

      Basically, that means that so long as I use that same phone, I buy my pre-paid minutes at $0.047. If I browse the Web, it charges me for the time in minutes, instead of metering my bandwidth.

      1 minute of voice with a data rate of ~4kbps is about 512 bytes. The largest text messages are about 1/2 of that with overhead. So, one minute equivalence of text messages, 120 messages, you pay $0.047 for voice, and $1.80 for text messages, around 4000% more.

      That doesn't even touch on the fact that voice has a MUCH higher QoS requirement (at a premium for quality) than a text message.

      Text messaging is nothing but a sacred cash cow for the telcos. I refuse to use it.

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    8. Re:That's a rude response by sstamps · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that should read 512 bytes per second, or 30,720 bytes per minute, which is 7200 text messages, or $108.00 compared with $0.047 for the same amount of voice data, about 23,000% more.

      Such a bargain, eh?

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    9. Re:That's a rude response by sstamps · · Score: 1

      Man, I am having trouble with math tonight.. the 120 message figure was right. :P

      overcorrections :P

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    10. Re:That's a rude response by steve_bryan · · Score: 2

      Well, one part of the original AT&T culture was not maintained by the company calling itself AT&T today. The original AT&T funded Bell Labs, one of the most significant research labs of the twentieth century which did research worthy of multiple Nobel Prizes. Nothing like that from the current company calling itself AT&T.

    11. Re:That's a rude response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Err... yes it is.

      Please do not forget that in the United States it takes about 25 years for a company which has been split up to, eventually, come back together again. So in ~2040 we'll be having this conversation once more. It's like a turd Möbius strip.

    12. Re:That's a rude response by anagama · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We already have a Republican in the White House.

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    13. Re:That's a rude response by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well the current at&t has research!

      it's mainly about what spyware to include on your next partial payment phone from them but anyhow..

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    14. Re:That's a rude response by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I say break it up with nukes.

      Takes less time.

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    15. Re:That's a rude response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, one part of the original AT&T culture was not maintained by the company calling itself AT&T today. The original AT&T funded Bell Labs, one of the most significant research labs of the twentieth century which did research worthy of multiple Nobel Prizes. Nothing like that from the current company calling itself AT&T.

      Yes they do - they have AT&T Labs, which is what used to be Bell Labs. David Korn still works for AT&T Labs, for example.

    16. Re:That's a rude response by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      It's OK :-P I too am bemused by how good ol' American Marketing can put a price premium on what's basically the "poor man's communication" in the rest of the world. I pay 25-35 cents per SMS message (but for me it's still cheaper than another $10/month ... I use my Google Voice's SMS when I *have* to).

      Basically for something that uses almost negligible bandwidth and probably the lowest QoS on the network. At least it pisses off English majors with T9 133+5P34K

    17. Re:That's a rude response by Nimey · · Score: 1

      That we do, but he's a moderate. The ones calling themselves Republicans now are extremists.

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    18. Re:That's a rude response by berashith · · Score: 2

      actually, the company is very worried about becoming only a carrier, and not having any products. The people putting products across AT&Ts network are making piles of cash, and AT&T wants in on it. They are suffering from the big company issue of having too many pieces. The wireless division here is totally separate from DSL and home lines, which is separate from innovation. The issue with innovation is that a big company runs more on politics than ideas, and will never be nimble enough to truly innovate. There are constant products floating through that are copies of successful outsiders, just to try to keep up and not get buried as just a carrier.

      The lab culture still exists in places, but getting focus from such a huge entity that wants to be run by MBAs and lawyers will always be tough.

    19. Re:That's a rude response by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

      Easy way to fix:
      1. Buy a VirginMobile Smartphone (new: under $200, used: $60-$70)
      2. Sign up for VirginMobile's $35/mo 300min/mo, "unlimited" text/data plan (used to be $25/mo until about 3 months ago)
      3. Save at least half of what you WERE paying...

      I've had a VM dumbphone since 2003, on the PAYG plan. I decided I needed to be able to do admin tasks for several servers
      I run without needing to dig out the laptop and find a Starbucks/McDonalds wifi. I bought a VM Samsung phone for under $100 off
      eBay, and have been a happy camper for about 4 months. I got in about a month before VM raised the $25/mo plan to $35/mo. No contracts, just $25/mo until I quit paying...

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    20. Re:That's a rude response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm Reagan was President when they were broken up the first time.

    21. Re:That's a rude response by Nimey · · Score: 1

      St. Reagan (pbuh) would be too liberal to be an elected Republican today.

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    22. Re:That's a rude response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say break it up with nukes.

      Takes less time.

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    23. Re:That's a rude response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who deals AT&T as well as all the other telecom companies on a daily basis as both vendors and clients I can only refer you to the 800lb gorilla scenario. You might in fact be able to shave his head, but you're no less flat when he sits on you.

  14. Re:Shouldn't have expected once by Dputiger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd love to see just one video of "Obama's screaming Bolsheviks." Can you provide one? Please include a historic screaming Bolshevik video for comparison. I bet the Russians are just darling in those little furry hats.

  15. AT&T stock by amightywind · · Score: 0

    I own AT&T stock. The FCC decision is costing me money. My Lord, but I hate Obama!

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    1. Re:AT&T stock by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The FCC's directive is not to ensure the value of your stock. The FCC asked AT&T why the merger was good for consumers and AT&T wasn't able to provide a reasonable one. You know why? Because there wasn't one. So the FCC decided that they could not support the merger.

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    2. Re:AT&T stock by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      It'll be back up soon enough.

      Besides, you could have sold a couple of months ago when it became pretty clear what the result was going to be. And this decision is likely to save you more money, if you carry your own cellphone. (As oligopolies aren't known for keeping prices low.)

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    3. Re:AT&T stock by surgen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The FCC's directive is not to ensure the value of your stock. The FCC asked AT&T why the merger was good for consumers and AT&T wasn't able to provide a reasonable one.

      As someone who recently came of voting age, its kind of jarring to see our government function like this. I'm used to seeing the public interest railroaded to benefit a corporate interest, a corporate interest railroaded to benefit a different corporate interest, but I've never seen the public interest held above a corporate interest like this. Hell, they didn't even decide anything and I'm excited to see this, I know they would be able to jam up the merger eventually, but right now they've just presenting findings.

      Is this what democracy is supposed to look like? I fucking love it. Shit, even if government decisions continue to be against the public interest, I'd be psyched if they just had the balls to admit it with reports like this. That would be a huge step forward from the bullshit "someone is making money, therefore its good, fuck off" level of analysis I'm used to seeing.

    4. Re:AT&T stock by Shihar · · Score: 0

      Yes, and when the Allies stopped the Nazi from incinerating Jews I be the stock in incinerator parts went down. Who gives a shit?

      Maybe you should just stop investing in companies that makes it a policy to fuck their customers as hard as possible?

    5. Re:AT&T stock by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's because you're new, and have been mostly going on anecdote, media, and word-of-mouth.

      Media sucks, but word of mouth is actually less accurate. Believe it or not.

      Consider this... the vast majority of our "government" is people who work for a living. For the USA. When the President or congress change party, you don't get a new mail carrier, firefighter, or IRS auditor. They work the same job, under largely the same rules, from one year to the next. They are neither thieves or sell-outs, but workers. And most of them are patriotic. That is the government of the people, by the people, for the people.

      Don't let the idiocy of the elected officials and a couple bad court cases make you excessively cynical. It is not only a personality flaw, it will bite you. Consider an IRS audit; if you assume that The Guberment wants all your money, you're going approach it as most people do, in an adversarial way. The IRS agent can only work against you. If you consider instead that this is probably just a worker who doesn't have any ill will towards you at all, and whose job it is to make sure the number are correct, who doesn't work for a company and isn't evaluated on "profit" then you can see that a cooperative approach can have this person helping you to make sure you did your adjustments correctly so that you can keep them. I've seen people take this approach and come out of an audit ahead of where they went in, because the IRS auditor gave them some hints about deductions they were missing.

      At the level of the FCC, when the agency's primary duty is to manage communications for the companies it is no surprise that they typically look for a way to give the companies as much of what they want as they can. That is actually their purpose. Most regulatory agencies are tasked more with making sure the companies are fair to each other than anything else. Can't blame them for doing their job. In this case, AT&T was basically asking to do a merger that would make them bigger than is fair to the other companies, and their correct criteria in that case is to only allow it if it is clearly better for the average citizen. That's the only reason to let one company control more of the field than congress said, with consultation from the companies, would still allow competition.

      Changing the mandate of some agencies to be more worried about the average American would be great, IMO. Of course, most of the "government workers" at those agencies would like that too, they're patriotic themselves!

  16. AT&T spending money they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AT&T can use that money to upgrade and expand their broadband circuits. I'm in south Texas and AT&T openly admits that our lines are over subscribed. Every Tech sent to check low signal strength has confessed to over subscription. Well use that money to improve the service they are collecting for and not providing!!

    1. Re:AT&T spending money they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You would think, with their multibillions of net annual profits, that they would be able to do that regardless.

  17. translation: by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ATT: "We didn't get our request rubber stamped like we expected it to be after we spent all that money to get the current crop of legislators and executives elected. We spend money on campaign contributions for a reason people! The FCC's review of our proposed acquisition of T-Mobile totally neglects to take these facts into account, and instead harps on things like abusive monopoly paractices and leaked memos from our executives. Obviously the FCC is not doing its job as a captured regulator, and we are voicing our displeasure publicly so as not to oust our purchased politicians. We fully expect them take action against this FCC ruling, and further insist that they take the DoJ to task on the pending antitrust case, if they want any more of our money; we understand that elections are just around the corner. Just a reminder guys. We don't get what we want, you don't get what you want."

    Sprint: "We applaud the FCC for finally doing what it was really supposed to do, and appreciate its dedication to fact finding and for ensuring a balanced economic foundation for the telecom industry. We strong urge everyone to read the FCC's report."

    1. Re:translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sprint: "We'll never be able to sell Nextel, so there's never any chance of Verizon buying us. So we are glad the pain is being spread a bit more evenly."

    2. Re:translation: by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Looks like your prediction is coming true as of... yesterday:

      11/30/2011

      At the Senate Commerce Committee's confirmation hearings for Federal Communications Commission nominees Wednesday, Republican nominee Ajit Pai - previously employed by at Jenner & Block, the law firm representing clients in the AT&T/T-Mobile deal - told Texas Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison that he "would not feel any prejudice" towards a client of his former firm.

      In response to a question from the senator over whether Pai would have possible conflicts of interest going forward, and whether he would recuse himself from the proceedings if he did, Pai told Hutschison, "I do not believe that my short period of employment at Jenner & Block would preclude me from being an effective commissioner, or from robustly participating in commission proceedings."

      (cite)

      They just love appointing foxes to guard the henhouse, don't they? It sure worked out well for the banking industry, why not telecoms?

  18. Re:Shouldn't have expected once by ChipMonk · · Score: 0

    Any video from Barney Frank or Maxine Waters. They were basically screaming Bolsheviks for years, and now they're aligned with Obama, so calling them "Obama's screaming Bolsheviks" isn't a stretch at all.

  19. Re:Shouldn't have expected once by schnikies79 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AT&T hates business, since business means competition.

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  20. Question: Are these committments binding? I doubt! by bogaboga · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's good the government did not approve this merger. Here's why:

    First, behind all these statements will be legalese that I describe after each one of them.

    After discounting the job-creating impact of AT&T's LTS and other investments, the report asserts that the merger will cost jobs despite public commitments AT&T has made to address this very concern, including the following:

    AT&T should know that public commitments are not legally binding.

    Commitment that the merger will not result in any job losses for U.S.-based wireless call center employees of T-Mobile or AT&T who are on the payroll when the merger closes;

    How many are these? You will not be surprised that there could be a handful of them in the USA. Even then, you could find that these so called call center employees are not directly employed. Many times, companies will outsource services to the extent that there are pay disparities for employees doing the same job.

    Commitment to bring 5,000 wireless call center jobs back to the U.S. that today are outsourced to other countries;

    Over what period of time may I ask? AT&T could later argue that they meant returning these jobs "over a period of two or three decades!" Imagine that.

    Commitment that T-Mobile's non-management employees whose job functions are no longer required because of the merger will be offered another position in the combined company.

    What they do not tell you is that the offered position will be at a significantly lower pay, or that these positions will not be permanent, or that they will have conditions attached to them such that employees will fire themselves.

    Who does AT&T think they are fooling?

  21. Read carefully by ShooterNeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Notice that every rebuttal made by AT&T is simply a statement by AT&T that they PROMISE not to do what is in their own best interest!

    For example, if there is 1 fewer wireless company, there WILL be less total job positions needed. That is an obvious truth of economics : one fewer company means more consolidation, fewer independent cell towers needed, etc. Yet AT&T PROMISES to hire more Americans as CSRs, despite the fact that it would be cheaper for them to keep outsourcing.

    AT&T will find it easier to raise prices with the merger because with 1 fewer competitor, the Nash Equilibrium inches closer to monopoly prices. AT&T PROMISES to do otherwise.

    AT&T has no competitor to fight for rural broadband market share, yet they PROMISE to build the wires anyway.

    And so on and so forth. Every rebuttal basically says "well, maybe it doesn't make market sense, but we have plans to do X if we get our way".

    Think about who made this report : some lawyers and marketing folks in AT&T's executive branch. Those people are not going to be unbiased.

    1. Re:Read carefully by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      Why does the FCC even care about employment? It's not part of their charter.

      Did they take into account how many jobs will be lost if T-Mobile implodes?

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  22. Really AT&T? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did AT&T really think they could do this anti-competitive $39 billion dollar move? When the provider with the most expensive plans buys out the provider with the cheapest plans it can't be anything but anti-competitive.

    1. Re:Really AT&T? by f16c · · Score: 1

      Right now the provider with the most expensive plans is Verizon. I know as I switched a little over a year ago. AT&T was cheaper over time than Verizon and had better support where I live (East Coast) in some places. This is for "just" phone service with text messages rather than a data plan as none of us has a smart phone. For data plans it makes no real difference - they all cost too much.

      Do I think they need to buy T-Mobile? Hell, no! The whole idea stank from the get-go. If this causes them to raise prices I'll switch again. Two years is over at the start of next year and I check other plans at the end of every year. I rolled over for Verizon and they did their jolly best to roast me. I won't go that route again, ever. They might get my business again but I'll keep my eye on prices regardless. Too many of my friends seem to just stick with them out of inertia like I used to.

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    2. Re:Really AT&T? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I cannot help but wonder what it would take for AT&T customers to start dumping the disappointment that "AT&T the Hutt" is. Where my daughter goes to college, her cell phone is the only one that accepts phone calls inside the buildings. All, and I mean All, of the other carriers calls have to be taken outside. Kinda hard during a one of their sleet, or blizzard storms. She says her friends get pissed every time she answers her phone in the dorm. Go figure.

  23. Re:Money by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    Bribes don't work anymore if they don't believe you'll stop. Both sides get lots of corporate money from all sides. The corporations will fund both parties, hoping for favor. Until the parties punish those who fund the opposition, forcing single-party donations (which they'll never do), the practice will continue. The only point in question is do they fund who they want to win more, or the one they hope won't win in an attempt to curry favor?

  24. Senior Executive Vice President by zbobet2012 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    SEVP? Jesus christ why not either just call him a "president" or something. The tech industries titles today are extremely out of hand. VP, SVP, EVP, SEVP, President, Cxx...

    1. Re:Senior Executive Vice President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, that results from associating pay raises with job titles. Once you hit the top, and you still want more pay, you need to keep adding more titles.

    2. Re:Senior Executive Vice President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My goal is to one day be a Very Special Super Senior Meta Executive Virtual Vice President, personally.

  25. AT&T... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you mad, son?!?!?

  26. Re:Money by mirix · · Score: 1

    They give money to both parties, but I do see it being more likely under GOP rule. The only thing they like more than deregulation is privatisation.

    Maybe they can use other Room 641A-esque things as leverage.

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  27. Re:Shouldn't have expected once by scot4875 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is awesome. A few posts ago I got to read about how Obama is pro-AT&T and pro big business because they gave him so much money during the '08 campaign.

    Could you dipshits make up your minds and at least keep your rhetoric consistent?

    --Jeremy

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  28. Re:Shouldn't have expected once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any video from Barney Frank or Maxine Waters. They were basically screaming Bolsheviks for years, and now they're aligned with Obama, so calling them "Obama's screaming Bolsheviks" isn't a stretch at all.

    If you look at it from the right angle you can get anything to align.

  29. Another thing Grandma used to say by symbolset · · Score: 5, Funny

    The difference between a politician and an honest politician is that an honest politician stays bought.

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    1. Re:Another thing Grandma used to say by Greystripe · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought it was that you could find a politician

    2. Re:Another thing Grandma used to say by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      The difference between a politician and an honest politician is that an honest politician doesn't exist.

      FTFY

    3. Re:Another thing Grandma used to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Grandma, that was Robert Heinlein.

    4. Re:Another thing Grandma used to say by symbolset · · Score: 1

      No, it was Grandma. The R.A.H. quote you're looking for though is:

      “He's an honest politician--he stays bought.” Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

      Honest mistake. Very similar. Grandma didn't have his way with words, but she was good.

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    5. Re:Another thing Grandma used to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's Heinlein paraphrasing Simon Cameron.

    6. Re:Another thing Grandma used to say by pseudofengshui · · Score: 1

      Robert Heinlein is my grandma, you insensitive clod!

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  30. You just watched your CEO hand over $4 billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in shareholder equity to a direct competitor. What are you going to do next, Gil Amelio (Apple CEO 1996-97) and AT&T's board of directors?

    "Let's give our boy another 27 million USD annual package for losing a third of our shareholder's market cap since he took over in 2007!"

  31. Those looking for jobs at AT&T or T-Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like a lot of people assume you have to know someone to get a job. That's not necessarily true--sometimes you can go in through the website and get the job.

  32. Re:Question: Are these committments binding? I dou by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Informative

    The FCC's mission is to "make available so far as possible, to all the people of the United States, without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex, rapid, efficient, Nation-wide, and world-wide wire and radio communication services with adequate facilities at reasonable charges.".

    You may notice that it is not their mission to ensure full employment.

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    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  33. Golden opportunity lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate AT&T as much, apparently, as everyone on /., especially since I have to use one of their iPhones. But it seems to me that this merger and the pending breakup fee is an opportunity to force AT&T to stop gouging their customers and, in so doing, reform the entire cell phone marketplace. Get bonded commitments to force them to shorten contracts, end exorbitant fees, reduce their 97% margin on SMS, it's a very long list. Verizon and Sprint would be forced to follow suit to stay competitive.

    When will we ever have another opportunity like this to reform this market?

    1. Re:Golden opportunity lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What country do you live in? Here in America, regulation of the telcos by the government pretty much ended in 1996. Now we have the "magic of the free market" as promised by the politicians - NOT. We have an "oligopoly", which is a few bricks shy of a cartel.

    2. Re:Golden opportunity lost by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I can't help but wonder if the current Telco's are obsolete? All americans pay $2 to 3$ a month just so someone in the middle of nowhere can have phone service. That's mechanical, not entrepreneurial. Do we really need such "creative minds" that have not offered anything new in the last 15 years?

    3. Re:Golden opportunity lost by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      Then how didn't this merger get approved?

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  34. If only they had made more friends by mykos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps they'd get some sympathy if they hadn't burned all their bridges with anyone who might listen. Even their own customers hate them.
    Maybe they should spend that $39 billion on upgrading their infrastructure instead of eliminating competition.

    1. Re:If only they had made more friends by shuz · · Score: 1

      Thank you AT&T for Unix System V.

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    2. Re:If only they had made more friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Different ATT. That was ATT, not att. att is just the baby-bell SBC renamed. At least they were kind enough to lower-case the name to avoid confusion.

    3. Re:If only they had made more friends by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      I desperately hope that no one builds a machine that duplicates AT&T business model.

  35. Re:Money by artor3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    One interesting thing to look at is the percentage of an individual politician's money that comes from small donors. Contrary to what some would expect, it doesn't split by party lines (nor by candidate sanity). Instead it gives you a good, non-partisan view of just how beholden a politician is to their corporate donors. Because while the corporations may always give lots of money to both sides, if (for example) Generic Democrat #1 pisses them off, they'll just stop giving to him, and give to Generic Democrat #2 instead. Assuming Generic Democrat #1 wants to keep his job, he either needs to play nice with the big donors, or bring in lots of small ones.

    Obama, Ron Paul, Gingrich, and Bachman (I told you sanity didn't matter) all get around 50% of their money from small donors. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney get 90+% of their money from major corporations and billionaires. That should tell you all you need to know about those two.

    Huntsman is also in the 90+% camp, but in his case it might just be lack of name recognition. This method really only works for the big names, since the small players have trouble reaching out to individual donors through no fault of their own.

  36. Of course it's a good thing by hedwards · · Score: 2

    I was really worried that we were going to run out of 'T's.

  37. Translation: by forkfail · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We thought we had this one bought and paid for.

    Maybe their lobbyists should have gotten receipts....

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  38. problem is spectrum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The #1 problem with AT&T is that they lack usable spectrum when you're indoors. A lot of times I have a signal but the damned phone constantly has trouble making a stable connection when you are in a densely populated cell. Acquiring T-mobile would help this problem. You can't build usable spectrum, you can only win it in bidding wars or by buying competitors. If I remember correctly, Verizon won the last spectrum auction.

    Honestly I don't count T-mobile a competitor of AT&T. T-mobile has limited coverage outside of major cities so I would never consider them. Back in my home town in Alaska there were quite a few pissed off tourists who came to find T-mobile invested $0 up there, so they had no cell coverage. I heard T-mobile had great coverage though in places you did have service, which was usually in the densely populated cities where AT&T had overloaded cells.

    So yeah, I think this would just help consumers really. Cell companies already charge an arm and a leg and are actually RAISING prices, not dropping them, so I fail to see what the difference/improvement is in denying this merger.

    1. Re:problem is spectrum by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      By your definition, you would have better Service if you changed carriers. By the court's decision, AT&T getting bigger is not cool. I would hope that AT&T's investors would take more pride in their ownership. Instead, its customers are billed for what is to all intents and purposes is contrite lie. Like you came to them because no one else would take you, I think not.

      And what's to stop AT&T from doing to T-Mobile customers what its doing to its current customer base? This event is an "AT&T the Hutt" assimilating a smaller competitor to become even more bloated. If Service were an issue, I think with 39 Billion dollars, AT&T the Hutt could put up one or two more towers. Hell, with 39 Billion, they could make a move to make themselves improve their Service, which would give back to the community. Instead, its Investors want to abuse more people with their "business plan." I just don't see anyone shedding a tear if AT&T were to file for "Chapter 7". It just might be the right direction to go to, for them.

    2. Re:problem is spectrum by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      The problem of 'lack of usable spectrum' is actually a problem of sharing.

      There's plenty of spectrum. It's just carved up inefficiently between the carriers. Take your US phone to Europe, roaming and you will get great reception because it will roam on any of the available carriers.

      If the US carriers chose to share their spectrum and tower infrastructure, they'd all get better coverage for less cost. However this won't happen since they're too busy trying to crush the competition to attempt cooperation.

       

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    3. Re:problem is spectrum by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Right, the whole American mobile market should have fewer choices because rural Alaska's indoor coverage is more important than the whole country's major cities.

      I know who you voted for governor last time.

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    4. Re:problem is spectrum by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a bit more complex than that. The US (and Canada I think) have two incompatible cellular standards in use. So they can't share, at least not with Verizon, Sprint etc. Their only option is to either buy T-mobile or two share with them, but there is the obvious problem of the arrangement possibly being better for T-mobile than it is for ATT. ATT has the cash to invest in its capacity, but no spectrum.

    5. Re:problem is spectrum by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      This whole thing if over LTE, though, which can be shared. We're no longer fighting over CDMA & GSM (or iDEN). Those standards still exist & are used, but will eventually be replaced with LTE.

      Nothing prevents AT&T from investing more into its HSPDA+ that they call 4G, same as nothing prevents them from buying tower time from T-Mobile. They just don't want to spend that much money.

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  39. Re:Shouldn't have expected once by hedwards · · Score: 1

    Won't somebody please think of the children?

  40. Bad news for the country by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    This is likely to cause AT&T trouble down the line. Pissing off the officials who oversee your business is never a good move.

    Having utterly unaccountable people everyone has to toady to is an even worse move, for the people of the U.S.

    With every year the FCC grows more intolerable.

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  41. Uhmmmmmmmm...... by Travoltus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The argument that monopolies raise the price of cell phone service is well-supported.

    Cell phone service voice and data plans are extraordinarily high in the U.S., Japan and Canada, compared to other nations. America is way above the international average. We're the most expensive when it comes to texting. For the whole package of cell phone service America and Canada are the most expensive. Guess which countries keeps coming up as among the most expensive? The U.S. and Canada.

    http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices

    As for PC prices, the number of competitors had very little effect compared to the power of Moore's Law. Had we had more competitors, PC prices might be 25% less right now. A huge part of what we pay for PCs is Windows. If we had more competition there we certainly would see lower prices.

    So yes, oligopolies mean higher prices. And Jesus WAS/is in fact a liberal. :D

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    1. Re:Uhmmmmmmmm...... by Unipuma · · Score: 2

      A huge part of what we pay for PCs is Windows. If we had more competition there we certainly would see lower prices.

      Actually, no. Currently, the cost of the Windows license for an OEM is (more than) offset by the kickback that OEMs receive for pre-installing crap/bloatware on the new machine.
      It has actually gotten so bad that some machines without Windows are actually -more expensive- because they can't pre-install bloatware on it.

    2. Re:Uhmmmmmmmm...... by Targon · · Score: 1

      You forget that compared to other countries, the USA and Canada have huge open areas of low population density compared to just about any other country out there. The USA has the highest population densities around the outside of the continental USA, with lower population densities in the center. By providing service in the low population areas, carriers LOSE money by providing access there, and only do it to allow customers in profitable areas to travel and still have service. The high costs you see from Verizon and AT&T are due to having a larger coverage area with service in more places that actually reduce profits, not increase them.

      As far as the cost of computers over the past 30 years, they have gone down due to components going down in price. Improvements in the fabs have reduced costs to the chip makers, and volume alone has brought the price down. Volume....if you sell 10,000 units per month at $500 each might be necessary to make a profit. If your sales can go up to 1,000,000 units per month, you can drop the price down to $100 each, and you still make more profit due to the high volumes. Back in the mid 1980s, there were more companies selling computers and computer parts, but the Internet has made it so it is far easier to find the places that sell computers and computer parts. There is a TON of competition out there, but poorly run companies DO sink, and it makes sense that we have seen so many come and go over the years. The idea of volume discounts will ALWAYS favor the big players over the small.

    3. Re:Uhmmmmmmmm...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you buy consumer-grade, pre-built crap. If you build your own machine, or if you buy a machine that doesn't come pre-loaded with crapware, you're paying for Windows. Add to that the MS Office license most people buy and fully half the cost of your new machine can be MS licensing fees.

    4. Re:Uhmmmmmmmm...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget that there are actually lots of areas in the US without coverage, particularly if you include data in your definition of coverage. Your economic reasoning is also suspect -- why would any of these companies lose money just to "allow customers in profitable areas to travel and still have service"? They're either making money by providing enhanced coverage or they aren't doing it; they aren't losing money and doing it anyway.

    5. Re:Uhmmmmmmmm...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uuuuummmm some more than, the only thing the higher prices support is supply/demand, people demand and are willing to pay the price, regardless to what bitching they may do. ATT is doing what Sprint/Verizon would do if they were in the same shoes, if they tell you otherwise they are selling you something fishy. If you look at economics throughout the recent history government intervention in the majority of these kinds of situations hurt the consumer as opposed to helping them. There are exceptions of course, but rarely if ever is government intervention a good thing.

  42. na-na-nan-na-nah by ushere · · Score: 1

    one sandpit i wouldn't want to be in...

  43. AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Informative

    The old AT&T was broken up before ISDN to homes came along. It was the "baby bells" offering you ISDN. Although in my area I had DSL in 1996 or 7, I can't remember which. From a baby bell (Pac Bell).

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    1. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, ISDN was like fusion. It was the super futuristic up and coming new thing in the '70s before the break-up (that's what the video phone was supposed to use). And in the '80s. And in the early '90s. For some of that time, it was in theory possible to order it, but they set the price to discourage it and if you ordered anyway, it wasn't "yet' available in your area most of the time (but, Oh yes, it will be RSN! Pinkie swear!)

      Then DSL came along and ISDN went away.

    2. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The baby bells were(are?) still basically clones of the same animal.

    3. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WRONG.

      ISDN was invented at A.T.& T. Bell Laboratories in 1978.

      The ma bell breakup was 1984.

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    4. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 2

      This isn't fucking AT&T.

      This is fucking Southwestern Bell after a few acquisitions; one of which included AT&T.

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    5. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By that rationale, IBM isn't IBM because it's run by different people than when it was founded. Likewise, I'm not the person in my driver's license photo because cell turnover has rendered an almost completely new person.

      In other words, they bought AT&T, they market themselves as AT&T, and they behave like AT&T. What's that saying about a duck?

    6. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't that nice.

      They bought AT they behave like Southwestern Bell.

      AT&T was absolutely benevolent compared with after the SBC purchase.

    7. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by Forbman · · Score: 1

      Actually, the "new" AT&T acts like the old SBC did in the day.

    8. Re:AT&T didn't offer home ISDN by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      And where did SBC come from?

      Hint: American Telephone and Telegraph Company officially transferred full ownership of Southwestern Bell Telephone Company to Southwestern Bell Corporation on January 1, 1984.

  44. Intolerable? by mykos · · Score: 1

    With every year the FCC grows more intolerable.

    To whom? They got rid of their bad apple and now seem to be finally talking some sense.

  45. Oh Waaa by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    AT&T, easily the countries biggest Service disappointment is hurt. What's it going to do? Move its operations to Ireland?

    snap google.

  46. Re:Question: Are these committments binding? I dou by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who does AT&T think they are fooling?

    They think, and are correct, that they are fooling the people who believe that Fox News is fair and balanced.

    This is a technique used regularly in controlling public opinion about policy. The further out you can pull one side of the argument, the further out you can pull the middle. This is a very effective approach, because so many people believe that justice means being reasonable, and that being reasonable means giving each side half of what they are asking for.

    People are social animals and have a natural tendency to believe that both sides in a debate are being fair in their assessment and sincere about what they believe is just. They believe that each viewpoint must have merit. They believe, therefore, that any point roughly halfway between the two views must fall on reasonable ground. Trusting to this belief, they believe they do not have to know he details to know a fair solution. Any entity with a stake in public policy -- corporations, politicians, power-brokers -- knows about this mechanism. The big guys all have public relations people whose job is to manipulate this, and many other similar flaws.

    This results in self-feeding bias. Left unchecked, it creates a disadvantage for entities that do not exploit the problem. In an otherwise competitive system, this selects for the entities most willing and capable of exploiting the flaw. This naturally breeds ever stronger abusers of such flaws.

    Eventually, there comes a correction. If it happens early, it can be mild and the problem will be abated without a significant disturbance. The longer it goes, the stronger the distortion becomes -- as does the associated correction and disturbance.

    If one believes in the value of economic stability as a path toward economic advancement, it is important to seek to avoid such extremity and correction.

  47. sniffle by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    I'd rather hear a fat man fart than a rich man whine about money.

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      Usually you get both in one package!

    2. Re:sniffle by zlives · · Score: 1

      +1 funny

  48. Re:Question: Are these committments binding? I dou by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    AT&T's choices are theirs, and their ambivalence to community is needlessly endured. AT&T's Service is the worst, by multiple evaluations. If "AT&T, the Hutt" were to not be here tomorrow, the loss would be easily recoverable, and with improvements that would be a healthy by-product.

  49. Not into anal sex by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 0

    I guess the members of the FCC board just aren't into having anal sex with AT&T. Because they're still sore from the last fucking over AT&T gave them.

    Yeah, and fuck apple too for helping them get even bigger with it me-phone.

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  50. AT&T Protects Us from Monopolies by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Surely AT&T wants to acquire T-Mobile so that consumers can have more choices, and AT&T has a harder time charging whatever profit it wants because there's more competition.

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    1. Re:AT&T Protects Us from Monopolies by Targon · · Score: 1

      Why don't you complain about Verizon too then? Verizon is far worse as a company, yet there is all this ill will toward AT&T. Is it cheaper on Verizon than AT&T? Verizon is the dominant player right now, so why not bash THEM for having the same price structure as AT&T?

    2. Re:AT&T Protects Us from Monopolies by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If Verizon tries to buy T-Mobile, of course I will complain about them. Of course AT&T's removing a competitor also gives Verizon one less competitor, but we're not talking about an actual action by Verizon.

      The question that you raise is why are you insisting on diluting the complaints about AT&T buying T-Mobile with a useless attack on Verizon that is just general whining, not part of an actual effort by the FCC to protect us from increased monopolization? What does whining about Verizon do to push back this counterattack by AT&T?

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  51. Sorry, no. by Cragen · · Score: 2

    I guess you haven't been to Europe lately. I lived in Germany the last 3 years. Any thought that cell phone service in the EU is cheaper than anywhere in the US is just laughable. Or, wrong, if you need the word. Happy Holidays.

    1. Re:Sorry, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two questions:

      1) Do you have an American or Canadian plan and are living in Germany? Because international roaming rates are ridiculous, if that's what you have.

      2) If they are as bad as you say they are - what are the prices (in Euro and $$, please)? And do you have any sources to back up your claims?

    2. Re:Sorry, no. by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      You should use Ortel. 500 minutes a month for 10 Euro, unlimited data for 8. Way cheaper than US, and I didn't shop around much.

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  52. Re:Money by berashith · · Score: 1

    The small donors are only really good for advertising before being elected. I found it very interesting that Obama bragged so much about the changing face of politics while he was running for president, and collecting massive amounts of small donations from young crowds, and then last week went to wine and dine with the ultra-elite in New York to raise cash while the OWS protesters are getting rolled up in a fairly obvious nationally coordinated effort ( using local cops as muscle ).

  53. Not over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Congress needs something to do other than actually fix things... since ATT is big donor to LOTS of them... maybe we can see Congress act, gut the FCC and put the power where it needs to be... (in corporate hands)
    http://consumerist.com/2011/09/att-donated-nearly-1-million-to-legislators-supporting-t-mobile-deal.html
    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000076

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  57. Translation: by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    We threw so much money at them, we expected they roll over and do what we say

    I'm usually against biting the hand that feeds, but fucking way to have balls for once FCC.

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  58. Simple answer. by AdamJS · · Score: 1

    Don't allow telecoms to buy other telecoms. Allow them to bid for the assets if no suitable replacement is found for a floundering agency, sure. But no mergers or takeovers.

  59. Re:Money by stang · · Score: 1

    Until the parties punish those who fund the opposition, forcing single-party donations (which they'll never do)

    Well, not anymore, apparently.

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  60. What ever by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

    F#ck you AT&T. You're not fooling anyone. As soon as you think no one is looking you're going to break the company apart, keep what you want and dump the rest. Even the FCC saw through you're plan.

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  61. So? by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    I could rant like others about all the wrong things they do, but in the end, no matter what they say, 1) the proposed merger violated everything about the concept of anti-trust, and 2) why, when some corporation who tries to weasel their way into something they're not supposed to get, do we treat their complaints as news? Why does anyone listen at all? Convicted murderers complain that they're innocent, but we only hear about a few of those. When Manson comes up for parole, we hear that it was denied. Maybe he claimed innocence, I don't know, because if so it's buried way down in the article.

  62. If I were the FCC... by sootman · · Score: 1

    ... I would have said "OK AT&T, you say costs will go down after you merge? All right then, fine, merge. But if costs go up, we'll nuke you from orbit."

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  63. Re:Question: Are these committments binding? I dou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you don't pay attention to is that AT&T is a union shop, so those "non-management" employees (i.e., union) will be under the union contract and paid accordingly. Which is likely HIGHER than any of the other telco providers.

  64. you are my frickin' hero by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

    I can't wit til my contract with t-mobile expires, going to drop them like a hot rock.

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  65. mmmyeah, but... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

    I agree that most of your rank and file feds are decent people, but a look at recent history makes it painfully obvious that many of those at the top-who are political appointees--don't give a damn about the public and are deeply in corporate America's pocket. See Deepwater Horizon, Department of the Interior regulation, or rather lack thereof. Or the Comcast/NBC merger, with one of the FCC commissioners skating off to a cush job with the newly-merged entity.

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  66. AT&T response to FTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The amount of noise made by AT&T suggests that the FCC analysis was pretty close to the mark. The want to spend $39 Billion to do what they could do with $3.9 billion. This has looked to me like a power grab from the beginning so that they can dictate even less consumer friendly data and cell phone plans than they already have.

  67. France comes to mind. by zooblethorpe · · Score: 1

    ...but it's gotten to the point where assholes-in-charge blatantly and flippantly do it right in front of us, and then stand back with a "yeah, what the hell are YOU gonna do about it" look on their face.

    And the horrible reality with their attitude is they're absolutely right. Not a damn thing will be done against the 1%. Ever. Now that they know this, the game is pretty much over for the rest of us.

    I wouldn't say "ever". I'm not advocating it, but France circa 1789 comes to mind as a clear rebuttal.

    If the assholes-in-charge continue growing more blatant in their disregard for everyone else, eventually folks *will* get fed up. History abounds with examples.

    Notably, in all of the examples that I can bring to mind, be they ancient or very recent and even ongoing, things had to get a lot worse than they are now for the common man in the US before the fires were lit and the barricades set up. I hope our assholes-in-charge are not quite so tone-deaf as to allow/cause things to get that bad.

    Cheers,

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