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Apple Can't Block US Sales of Samsung Devices
An anonymous reader snips this good news (for Samsung fans) from Edible Apple "In April of 2011, Apple kicked off what would soon become a global and complex series of litigation disputes when it sued Samsung in the U.S. claiming that its line of Galaxy smartphones and tablets infringed upon Apple's intellectual property and were nothing more than 'slavish' copies. As part of its suit, Apple requested a preliminary injunction that would bar Samsung from selling said products in the U.S. This past Friday, Judge Lucy Koh denied Apple's motion for a preliminary injunction."
Finally some judges are realizing they are being used for judgements to enforce business ^H^H^H^H^H...monopoly by via litigation.
Beware of those who profit off the docile and persecute the unbelievers.
Ok, I'll bite on the bait.
A Samsung fan is just a regular person who doesn't have a deeply compelling brand loyalty. Or at least in the usage in this article summary on Slashdot that is the meaning.
It means, anybody who isn't a Steve-fan.
This is similar to the recent reversal of the Apple-Samsung injunction in Australia - there, the court said that an injunction was unwarranted, but that Samsung would have to keep detailed records of every penny earned on the products, because they could be on the hook for all of them. Same thing here - if the patents are found valid and Samsung is found to have infringed, they'll owe damages to Apple... but there's no reason to preemptively make those damages $0 by stopping the sale of the product.
Plain and simple.
"Oh my god, their tablet is like ours! Ban it!"
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Apple gives Samsung advice on non-patent infringing designs
In order to disprove Samsung’s claim, Apple needed to provide alternate design options to prove that Samsung did, in fact, blatantly copy Apple’s design. Some samples from these suggestions include:
Smartphones:
* Front surface that isn't black.
* Overall shape that isn't rectangular, or doesn't have rounded corners.
* Display screens that aren't centered on the front face and have substantial lateral borders.
* Non-horizontal speaker slots.
* Front surfaces with substantial adornment.
* No front bezel at all.
Tablets:
* Overall shape that isn't rectangular, or doesn't have rounded corners.
* Thick frames rather than a thin rim around the front surface.
* Front surface that isn't entirely flat.
* Profiles that aren't thin.
* Cluttered appearance.
They also have a great depiction of what such a tablet may look like
I don't want some muslims ripping off American technology and implementing a Muslim Caliphate. Did you know that in the Muslim World, women are raped if they drive a car? That young girls cannot go to school or their heads are cut off and fed to dogs?
This is what is at stake, when terrorist groups like Samsung attack our American values. We have to defend America first, and to hell with everyone else.
The worst part of these preliminary injunctions is they kill the biggest sales time - pre-Christmas.
While there may be merit on both sides, aborting the product in it's first large sales growth period is a sure-fire way of killing off a competitor.
What Apple has done, is polarise a significant portion of people against them. It's almost as if they modelled themselves on Microsoft...
"We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run over." - Aneurin Bevan
In other words "everyone who isn't like me is a fanboy".
Apple is scared to death, because they know Samsung is making a better product.
Apple can control its sheeple users, but they have no right to control other companies or the right to block buyers from the competition.
When will Apple be called out for doing all the horrible shit people think Microsoft does?
What a bunch of horseshit. It would be come immediately clear how stupid those guidelines were if Apple ang Samsung were both car designers squabbling over a car model. I mean, you don't see Bentley suing Chrysler.
When you're pimping a Chrysler, people know it's a Chrysler. Despite the similarities, there's no way in hell anybody with half a brain would confuse a Chrysler with a Bentley. And Bentley, being classy, is aware of that and that suing Chrysler would be a very tacky and un-classy move.
Apple could learn a few things from that little case study, but they want to be tacky and don't have enough faith in consumers to be able to distinguish the two.
Oh, I just clicked preview and saw that you're now at +5 funny and I've been trolled. I may be too dumb to get sarcasm, but I'm still not dumb enough to confuse a Galaxy with an iPad.
Basically the claim is that all phones and tablets after the iPhone and ipad must look nothing like the phones and tablets that existed prior to the iPhone and iPad. Apple has retroactive inventors rights.
Pity really, I like Apple products (other then iOS which is too restrictive for me) but they seem to have some crazy people working there these days.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Shape that isn't rectangular and cluttered appearance :-D Brillant!!!!
The people at Apple aren't the crazy ones. No, the crazy people are a) the legistlators who made the laws that Samsung is (supposedly) infringing on, and b) the judges who allow the laws to stand. In the US, at least, judges can invalidate laws if they find them bad enough (not sure how bad they have to be) and I imagine they can in other countries was well.
Apple is just using the system to get an advantage. Unfair, of course, but they don't care.
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
this is how Hitler was allowed to invade the Sudetenland, annex Austria, and crash those planes into the Trade Towers.
Actually, yes they do. Samsung Group is a conglomerate that makes and buys and sells nearly every kind of thing imaginable.
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>do they make ceiling fans or something?
They do make fans. And per ROK specifications, they come with timers.
Because, you know, fan death is a leading killer of Koreans.
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Shape that isn't rectangular and cluttered appearance :-D Brillant!!!!
Stupid you. Google for "sony tablet" or for "toshiba tablet" and you will find two nice tablet designs that are rectangular and look nothing like an iPad. If Sony and Toshiba can do it, then surely Samsung can do it.
Shape that isn't rectangular and cluttered appearance :-D Brillant!!!!
Stupid you. Google for "sony tablet" or for "toshiba tablet" and you will find two nice tablet designs that are rectangular and look nothing like an iPad. If Sony and Toshiba can do it, then surely Samsung can do it.
Actually, the iPad also doesn't look all that much like whatApple filed in its design patent paperwork either.
But, anyway, many of the Toshiba tablets look similar to the iPad (because they iPad has a very generic design)
http://www.reviewphones.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/toshiba-thrive-tablet-vs-ipad-21.jpg
And here is one from Sony:
http://www.gayakuman.com/uploads/2010/02/sony-tablet.jpg
Should investigate Apple for monopolistic practices, then they should split the company into multiple smaller ones like they wanted to do to MS.
Apple's OS business should be separated from its Hardware business. They should be forced to sell OSX and iOS to clone builders.
Maybe it's just me, but those two vehicles don't look similar. From a broad point of view, they might both be trying to convey the same ideas through their design, but they're different in so many individual aspects that I think it's a poor comparison for the point you're trying to make. Then again car analogies on Slashdot have never been good, so perhaps I'm judging too harshly.
I normally would assume you are kidding, but in this case I'm not sure. This is the perfect material for a satire, and there are certain authors (for some reason Phillip Roth comes to mind) who have made careers developing exactly this kind of humor. But I think you are serious -- but I'm just not sure. What a surreal world we live in!
What if Henry Ford had complained that other cars had four wheels, claiming that they had infringed on his patent, even though everyone knew that he didn't invent the idea of cars that have four wheels and it was all but impossible to imagine a car that didn't run on four wheels?
Square, black surfaces! I haven't a clue as to whether you are kidding or not, but I suppose that is the your point. At least I hope it is.
- Charlie
A Samsung fan is just a regular person who doesn't have a deeply compelling brand loyalty.
Same as a Steelers fan is just a regular person who doesn't have a deeply compelling sport loyalty.
Or a Saturn fan is just a regular person who doesn't have a deeply compelling car loyalty.
You know that "fan" comes from "fanatic", yes?
ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
I think people are taking this ruling for more than it means. If you've read through the details of the ruling, the judge essentially says that it's likely that Samsung infringes on Apple's patents, but that it's unlikely that allowing Samsung to continue to sell their products will cause any significant damage to Apple, hence that there's no need for an injunction.
Even if an injunction were granted it wouldn't matter much. The ASUS Transformer Prime is dropping in a few weeks and it's superior in every way to Samsung's offering. It's unlikely that Samsung will see significant sales in the wake of a better product launching unless they decide to cut their prices. This lends even more credibility to the ruling in my opinion.
You know that "fan" comes from "fanatic", yes?
Actually according to Wikipedia it could come from the word fancy: "Paul Dickson, in his Dickson Baseball Dictionary, cites William Henry Nugent's work that claims it comes from fancy, a 19th century term from England that referred mainly to followers of boxing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)
I'm a steelers fan, but I certainly wouldn't get into any arguments or flamewars about them. Does that mean I'm also a Steelers fanatic?
im glad it half-way entertained one person
although it was over the top and completely irresponsible
I'll give you the SONY Tablet S - that's definitely quite different. At least, from the side. From the front it's just like most other tablets.
Which brings me to the "Toshiba Tablet". You're saying it looks "nothing like an iPad".
http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339308309/toshiba-tablet-10-inch_12.jpg
Looks pretty similar to me. Yes, it's a different aspect ratio - but Apple has already demonstrated in court that aspect ratio alone is not enough of a differentiation.
You could say it's the sensors in the top right, or the buttons in the bottom... but the Galaxy S has much the same;
http://www.2-soft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/iPad-vs-Galaxy-tab.jpg
And both also have that 'silver outline' along the edge of the case that Apple has also argued to be too similar to their designs.
If the Toshiba Honeycomb tablet is nothing like an iPad, then, imho, the Galaxy Tab is nothing like an iPad. Conversely, if the Galaxy Tab looks too much like an iPad, then so does the Toshiba Honeycomb.
That said, that's only regarding the visual look of the device, front-facing - while Apple's cases involve far more than just the aforementioned and includes things like icons, etc.
( Though I find most of their arguments there weak as well, it does all stack up. )
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When I was in university, I had a CS assignment in an assembly language course. The prof. accused about 15 people in the class of plagiarism. I got 100% on the assignment, but wasn't one of the ones accused. The assignment was quite specific about expectations, and the code size was small (about 15 lines of code). The prof. openly accused one guy, and the guy asked: is there another way of writing this code and getting a correct result? The prof. stopped and thought for a minute, then said 'no', at which point he stopped. There are lots of ways of making a cell phone. Round corners isn't proprietary. Colorful icons aren't proprietary. Clicking once or twice isn't proprietary. Apple is hoping for a judicial monopoly, but developing a market doesn't mean you get an instant monopoly on that market.
If you've read through the details of the ruling, the judge essentially says that it's likely that Samsung infringes on Apple's patents, but that it's unlikely that allowing Samsung to continue to sell their products will cause any significant damage to Apple, hence that there's no need for an injunction.
Even better then that: In sum, the Court found that Samsung was successful in raising substantial questions as to the validity of Apple’s D’087 patent and that Apple was unable to persuade the Court that it would likely succeed at trial in its efforts to uphold the validity of said patent.
Those are words with strong implications.
You are essentially saying that the judge may have been under personal pressure to bias her findings. Which, if true, would imply that she should have recused herself from her duty in this case based on the determination that she could not act impartially.
I would think it's wise that Apple's legal team did not make any such remarks.
These were actually some of the design options Apple said Samsung had to make their products more differentiated, and not infringe on their design products. While some of them are just crazy, others aren't too bad. Here's the original article: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/2/2596527/apple-samsung-design-patent-iphone-ipad-work-around
Her husband was born in Mexico and lives in the US since childhood, and she was raised in Mississippi and Oklahoma. And her mother is from North Korea, only the father is from South.
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...I'm still not dumb enough to confuse a Galaxy with an iPad.
Looks like you've got Samsung's lawyers beat, then: Even Samsung’s Lawyers Can’t Tell the Difference Between Its Tablet and an iPad
i thought, therefore i was...
DaimlerChrylser (Jeep) sued GM over the Hummer's 7-slot front grill design.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Maybe it's just me, but those two vehicles don't look similar.
Really? Not similiar? Hell, they're almost IDENTICAL! Both have windshields of clear glass trimmed with chrome.
Both have round steering wheels. Both have the driver's seat facing forward. They even both have four round wheels in diametrically opposite corners. I could go on and on...
That's because I was in a hurry and couldn't readily find a picture of an older, boxier Bentley. Here are the obvious similarities:
- The headlights are recessed from the Grille. Think of the center grille section as kind of a "nose" between the "eyes."
- The fender areas are tightly "wrapped" around the wheel wells and there is a small distance between the top of the wheel and the hood. Also note that both vehicles have big, spoked rims and small street-tires, all contributing to both models' "low-slung" appearance.
- On both vehicles, the angle of the front windshield is larger than the angle of the back windshield, and the roof itself is sloping downward toward the rear.
- Both vehicles are black with silver trim, and are generally intended to evoke a luxury appearance. Chrysler is obviously paying homage to Bentley.
- An obvious difference between the two pics I provided is that the Chrysler's grille extends to the bottom, and there are fog lights on its bumper. However, using this bentley pic as a reference, once again there is more similarity.
- While we're talking about the fronts, take into consideration the logos of the Bentley and the Chrysler here. Both logos are encapsulated in an oval, adorned with wings, and located on the top center of the grille.
I was saying earlier that Apple should appreciate that others are paying homage to them instead of trying to stop their shipments. It is apparent to anybody with half a brain which is which, especially when the GUIs are visible.
If Apple still wanted to stop Samsung, they could have at least compared the radius of the corners rather than just saying, "rounded corners," for example.
It's just you. The chrysler 300 is widely regarded to be a bentley lookalike. There are even logo conversion kits out there people put on ther 300s.
You know that "fan" comes from "fanatic", yes?
Actually according to Wikipedia it could come from the word fancy: "Paul Dickson, in his Dickson Baseball Dictionary, cites William Henry Nugent's work that claims it comes from fancy, a 19th century term from England that referred mainly to followers of boxing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)
"According to that unsupported explanation", yes. But most dictionaries only mention "fanatic" and very few would link it to "fancy" or "fantasy". But I agree with you that fans are more restrained than fanatics. It's just that the irony of hiding fanatism behind that snide remark cracked me up.
ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
Uh what tablets and phones looked and behaved like an iPhone/iPad before the two devices came out?
And how exactly would she recuse herself? On the basis of being too prejudiced? Due to "racial discrimination"? Her career would be forever shot.
Yeah. And no white American judges either -- they can't be trusted considering that Apple was founded by two white Americans and is run by white Americans.
Black, latino, middle eastern, or non-Korean Asian judges only for this case!
You know, one of the great things about the Internet (and the slashdot posting system) is the relative anonymity it provides.
I'm glad because it has limited my embarrassment for making such an ill-considered statement without doing the most cursory investigation. (If you Google "Lucy Koh", the very first listing is the Wikipedia entry with her bio.). At least I don't have to face up to my mistakes in my "real" public life.
However, the other nice thing about the anonymity the Internet provides is that it helps keep one's ego from getting in the way of an admission of being wrong.
So, boy I was wrong to imagine that Ms. Koh might have been unduly influenced; with her upbringing, education and qualifications, it is very unlikely that this would've happened. My apologies to all the other posters who wasted their time on this thread.
I see Bentleys almost every day in Newport Beach. While not exactly alike they are VERY similar and could easily be confused by non-car people.
Good-bye
Next, the Court considers whether Samsung’s products, in the eyes of an ordinary observer, would likely be deemed substantially the same as Apple’s iPhone.
To this end, the Court finds that an ordinary observer would, in fact, find the Samsung Galaxy S 4G to be substantially the same as the iPhone.
But I thought the criterion was obviousness to one skilled in the art?
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Hmm. I looked at a whole bunch of flat screen monitors and generally preferred the picture from the Samsungs, so I bought one. I looked at a whole bunch of Android phones August of last year, and wound up buying a Galaxy S because I liked the AMOLED screen and disliked Motorola's policy on requiring signed kernels on their droids. I since haven't been too thrilled with how long it's taken to get Android updates, but now that the warranty is expired, I'll probably switch to Cyanogen soon when it supports Android 4 for the Galaxy.
So technology wise, they seem to be above average, although their update support leaves something to be desired. When I next have to buy home electronics, I'll probably take a close look at anything Samsung has to offer, keeping in mind their supposed limitations. You could call me a Samsung fan because I have bought two of their products and would consider buying more, or you could call me a careful shopper. I'm willing to give the other guy the benefit of the doubt that he just appreciates the good qualities of their products.
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Particularly since the "design patent" they are whining about it violating is stupidly broad. More or less it is "A black rectangle with rounded corners." Oh wow. What an amazing design. I haven't seen that anywhere before except TVs, computer monitors, computer cases, picture frames, speakers, furniture, and so on.
I think Apple is really scared right now because Android is a major threat. It has been making big inroads on their iToy market and that is where all their money has come from. I mean they have a computer market, don't get me wrong, but their were a smaller company when that was what they did. Consumer electronics are where they've risen to massive profitability. Android is threatening that and I don't think they have a "what's next" a different market to move in to that they can try and dominate.
So instead they try and shut down competition.
I've got two of their LED TV's (47 and 55 inch), four PC monitors, two Blu-ray players, an Epic (Galaxy S) phone, and a home theater. They all go great together, and updates seem reasonable to me. The home theater could be a little easier to use, and using the phone as a remote for the TV could use a little work, but overall it's good stuff and has been quite reliable. Way better than that Sony nonsense - the stuff just plugs together. Recommended them to Mom, and when she got it she was like "Oh. Wow."
About half of the HDTVs you can buy now actually have Samsung displays, as well as all the iPhones and iPads. It's getting hard to get away from their products because more and more if you don't buy the gear from them, the people who made it buy their parts from Samsung.
Asus is totally kicking their ass on the Android tablet front with the Transformer, and now the Transformer Prime, but everything else looks like good gear so far.
We'll see if the lifecycle holds up. I expect a TV or monitor to last ten years or more. That's why I bought LED rather than plasma or LCD. It will take a while before I know if it was a good bet. For now I'm happy, so I guess I'm a Samsung fan too.
Quite as an aside, the prevalence of inexpensive LED displays in 1080p resolution has degraded the availability of higher-resolution displays that used to be common. It's nice that movies look nice, but sometimes we want to do wide spreadsheets or other stuff that calls for more pixels and setting up 4 monitors in a grid is really a pain.
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I still can't believe that fan shit is real. Every time I hear it, I just cant believe it.
Balderdash!
Stupid you. Google for "sony tablet" or for "toshiba tablet" and you will find two nice tablet designs that are rectangular and look nothing like an iPad. If Sony and Toshiba can do it, then surely Samsung can do it.
Then why did Apple feel like they should copy the design of tablets/phones that existed before iPhone/iPad?
They could have invented some new design too.
I found their BluRay player to border on false advertising.
Crappiest DLNA support I've ever seen, tech support that doesn't care, and yes it will support your MPEG4 encoded file from a USB port (not DLNA), but only if it has an MP4 extension, not if it has the more common M4V extension. I bought it because it said DLNA on the box. The thing was slow to respond to every button push on the remote and I even had it lock up a few times. I gave it away, bought an LG and I've been happy with it every since.
Samsung screens over have a bad habit of having a vertical section of screen go gray, usually about 1/3. We've had to replace many of those.
I used to be a Samsung fan, their mobile phones were great, their monitors were beautiful, but not reliable. Their CRT TV's were great, I finally quit buying their products, five years ago they were a top pick, but three years ago they start a slow downward slide in quality.
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but only if it has an MP4 extension, not if it has the more common M4V extension.
You're joking, aren't you? M4V would only be common among those who have been using Apple's software and devices. All AVC+AAC videos I got from the internet are either in MP4 or MKV containers.
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Uh what tablets and phones looked and behaved like an iPhone/iPad before the two devices came out?
The LG Prada.
I read it as a dig at Samsung, implying that they're not a brand, or at least not in the same league as Apple.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The first time I saw one I went "Huh? A Bentley station wagon?"
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It really pisses me off that Apple is trying to monopolize the market for thin, rectangular tablets and phones. They didn't invent that form factor, they weren't the first to produce devices in it, and they should not have a design patent on it.
So, I'm supporting anybody who fights Apple, including Samsung and HTC.
Come on, it's not hard to hand off a case. She could take off time for personal reasons, or she could just buy some Samsung stock.
The law doesn't and can't define where the line is between patentable and unpatentable designs; that is for the courts to sort out, and they are trying to sort it out.
The reasons this is coming up now and is such a problem are twofold. First, product cycles and market opportunities are very short lived. Samsung had a few months to turn a profit on the 10.1 and Apple killed that. Now, the Transformer Prime is coming out and the lawsuit doesn't matter anymore. Second, most companies focus on making good products and don't, as a habit, go around suing each other over trivialities--it wastes everybody's time.
The last point may also be the solution to this problem: Samsung and everybody else being sued by Apple should tie up Apple's designers and executives in court, for years. Given how marginal Apple's claims are, the court should grant wide latitude to the defense to depose and question these people. When Apple's employees spend more time in court than doing work, maybe they'll figure out that these kinds of lawsuits are not productive for anybody.
It's what Handbrake rips to by default, I generally don't download from the Internet and it's a format supported by my PSP, leftover old iPhone I gave my daughter, my Android phone, every PC I have and my LG BluRay player. I wouldn't call Handbrake, the PSP, or my Android phone Apple centric products. Besides, everything else I've tested it with (granted, not everything on the list) is fine with either extension. Only the Samsung player forced me to rename the files, and Handbrake fought my efforts to rip directly to the MP4 extension, and my LG player doesn't care if it's coming over the USB or Ethernet port it's going to play it.
Why are you criticizing the format itself, that's way beside the point. //note - I do have some cool movies from the various Blender movie projects downloaded, but I don't violate copyrights and I have the Case Logic DVD albums to prove it.
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i dont know who i should congratulate... the spambot?
but what you have here is a spam post that is somehow, bizarrely, appropriate.
also they invented the mouse, the GUI, the same-look-across-product-line, the idea that computers should be white, the educational computer, the floppy disk, bresenham's algorithm, microkernels, ..
like the other poster said below, the 'monopolism' in this case does not come from their size, it comes from their abuse of the court system and the patent system.
the AT&T splitup was supposed to promote competition. it wasnt just about 'breaking up a big company'.
if you split Apple into an 'OS' and 'hardware' busines, you arent really busting a monopoly. your action has to help competitors to have a level playing field. otherwise you aren't really 'busting' anything, nor are you helping to promote the fairness of the marketplace.
You wouldn't say things like that if you had lost a member of your family this way.
I remember one time several patients had died in the terminal cancer ward of a Korean hospital over the span of a few weeks. They foolishly attributed the deaths to "cancer" (yeah, right, what are the chances), until they realized a fan timer had been malfunctioning!
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Apple is the new Microsoft.
Samsung > Apple and thus Samsung
Ignore all the articles! and say Apple are trying to copyright a rectangle.
Ok, I'll bite on the bait.
A Samsung fan is a device consisting of several oscillating blades to direct air flow made by Samsung.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
This is all just a lame attempt to paint anyone that doesn't want to use the products of a certain corporation as a "hater" or some other term that makes them seem irrational and easy to denigrate.
What you likely have are Samsung USERS rather than "fans" that simply want to be free to buy what they want free from outside interference. You may also have judges that don't see any reason to hand Apple a monopoly on a silver platter.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
My wife: we went to the ATT store (I needed a GSM SIM card for my Chinese made phone) and she spent two hours looking, comparing features and etc on the Samsung, an HTC and the iPhone 4. The Samsung won hands down. I wanted her to buy the HTC, but she wasn't impressed. The salesman was pitching the iPhone, but she wasn't impressed. She just plain loves that phone.Case closed, she is a Samsung fan boy.
BTW, I used to teach some lessons to the managers at the Samsung screen (monitor, etc) factory in China. These folks were really top notch and the system in place was quite exceptional.
Subversion of spatial scale luxury decoration ideas.
ergo everybody is a fanboy!
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However, if it's proven that Apple's patents were invalid and their claim was frivolous, won't they be on the hook for $$big damages$$ to Samsung?
Yeah. Then non-LED backlights are the commonest failure mode in an LCD TV or laptop monitor. You're lucky to get five years out of them.
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