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IBM Tracks Pork Chops From Pig To Plate

dcblogs writes "IBM is deploying technology in China that allows meat suppliers to track a single pig all the way from farm animal to pork chop. Pigs are initially identified with a barcoded ear tag. This identification is then put on bins used to track the various pig parts as they pass through the slaughterhouse, processing plant, distribution center and finally to the clear plastic-wrapped package in a grocer's case. If a consumer buys three pork chops in a package, 'you know that these three pieces of pork chop came from pig number 123,' said Paul Chang, who leads global strategy for emerging technologies at IBM. The goal is to control disease outbreaks, but theoretically this technology could allow a grocer to put a picture on the store package of the pig you are eating."

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  1. The real goal by Intron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would like a more stylish ear tag when you start doing this on humans, please.

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    1. Re:The real goal by Third+Position · · Score: 2

      Maybe this is how they're planning to keep track of their global work force.

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    2. Re:The real goal by bhcompy · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why you should eat racehorses. Parentage on racehorses is highly documented.

    3. Re:The real goal by TheLink · · Score: 2

      In North America we can't even track which country the meat comes from, let alone which animal.

      I heard in Japan it's not uncommon for a farmer's produce to be labelled/displayed with his photo in a supermarket (e.g. vegetables, and stuff like ginger). Read it somewhere[1] and recently asked a friend who is working there.

      Anyone in/from Japan would like to confirm/deny or provide more details?

      [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/business/worldbusiness/11safety.html
      By the way, I had to find this using Bing. Google produced tons of unrelated crap for: japanese farmers photos vegetables china "quality control" supermarket.

      I might have to switch to trying Bing first, if Google continues being so crap. Yes I know you're supposed to put double quotes around every mandatory keyword in Google nowadays. Fuck that.

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    4. Re:The real goal by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I had no idea what you were searching for with that

      I was searching for the specific article I remembered reading that contained all those keywords.

      The article dealt with China, Japanese supermarkets, vegetables and photos of japanese farmers. The article contains all my keywords. Your query does not mention China, supermarkets. My query does.

      I'm a nerd. I don't need a search engine or person to "second guess" what I really want. I give the keywords, give me non-link-spam/non-spam articles with all those keywords. If the results are not what I want, I can adjust it for myself. I don't want to try to read Google's "mind" that's trying to read my mind. I don't want to have to put double quotes around every frigging keyword.

      With this sort of results, it's no surprise it's getting harder to search for work related stuff. When I search for something, there's often a chance that the answer does NOT exist on any webpage out there. When that happens, I'm fine if there are zero pages returned. Because I can stop searching and try to figure it out the answers myself. What is useless is 300000 pages that don't contain all my search terms. Then I have to figure out whether the answer isn't published or it's because the search engines all suck and I need to try different sorts of queries...

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  2. No thanks by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2
    From the summary:

    "...theoretically this technology could allow a grocer to put a picture on the store package of the pig you are eating."

    No thanks. I like to feel a personal disconnection with the animal I'm about to eat. Lobsters aren't so bad because they're like bugs, but many people keep furry animals like pigs as pets. The idea's like a local radio commercial that advertises lambskin boots and then plays a cute "Baaaaa" noise, which is quizzical and bizzarre.

    Everytime that commercial comes on at work I say, "That is the sound of the lamb being slaughtered to make those boots."

    1. Re:No thanks by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      I remember sitting around the family dinner table, commenting on the flavor and tenderness of particular steaks. "Pretty good. Very tender. But remember Wilfred? He was amazingly tender and flavorful.' To which someone might reply: "Wilfred was good, buy I preferred Roscoe."

      Our citified cousins tended not to join the conversation...

      Could the reason for that be that Wilfred and Roscoe were your cousins?

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  3. Meet the meat by onyxruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does Douglas Adam's estate get to sue if we get an introduction of our pork by our pork?

  4. More people turning vegetarian? by kheldan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    theoretically this technology could allow a grocer to put a picture on the store package of the pig you are eating

    Considering how disconnected the average person is from where their food comes from, I think putting a face on the meat you're buying would turn many people's stomachs -- and maybe turn them off eating meat. Oh well, more bacon for the rest of us!

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    1. Re:More people turning vegetarian? by Ubergrendle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We've been doing this in canada for at least a year now, particularly regarding fisheries and lobsters.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/07/01/ns-thisfish-tracks-diner-to-water.html

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  5. His name was Wilbur by dethndrek · · Score: 5, Funny

    "He liked spiders, and was a pretty stupendous pig."

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  6. Re:if pig dens are over there like here.. by Millennium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    then no way in hell they'd implement a picture.

    You can bet PETA will lobby for legislation mandating it, though. Not that I think they'll succeed, but they'll certainly try.

  7. This is going to get complex(and long)... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For discrete cuts of meat, the labeling should be simple enough; but some of the more, er, 'waste minimizing' meat products are going to get seriously complex.

    The composition of a given hamburger would probably have to be given as a joint probability density function across a set of hundreds or thousands of animals or something similarly messy. That would give label-readers something to ponder...

    1. Re:This is going to get complex(and long)... by Joehonkie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your hot dog was composed of the pigs, earthworms, and insects pictured below:

  8. Re:First Yea!!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'd be a bit more excited about this technology, if it would track where ALL my food I'm purchasing comes from.

    First thing I'd do...I'd avoid ALL food coming from China...and just buy US foods, preferably as locally raised as possible.

    I do appreciate that the labeling on fish now allows me to do this, I'd be happy if I could do this with most all foods I buy in the store, that I don't now know its source of origin.

    I'm trying to learn (again) what seasons things naturally grow...that should help somewhat trying to keep food purchases local.

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  9. Will it make bacon tastier? by BLToday · · Score: 2

    It would be a waste of technology if it didn't make bacon taste even better.

  10. Makes sense by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    They did the same thing in 1930's/40's Germany. I guess the more that things change, the more that they stay the same.

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    1. Re:Makes sense by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      As somebody that grew up north of Chicago, I can tell you honestly that some of those 'pigs' were relatives of a NUMBER of ppl that I KNEW. I knew a number of ppl with those numbers. Some talked. Some did not. But those that did not had the most ... 'haunted' or 'haunting' eyes that I have ever seen.

      And from German's POV, they treated pigs better than what they treated POWs, jews, etc. The same was true of IBM.

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  11. IBM already did this by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But IBM's tech worked with numbers burned on forearms.

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    1. Re:IBM already did this by Johann+Lau · · Score: 5, Informative

      I would like a more stylish ear tag when you start doing this on humans, please.

      oh, not to worry! your concerns have long since been recognized.

      United States Patent 5,878,155

      There have been other methods to permanently identify humans. During the holocaust, the Nazis tattooed the arms of Jews with a unique identifying number. On an episode of the "X-FILES," a fictional television program on the FOX television network, a human was abducted by aliens who conducted experiments on the abductee. In order to permanently tag the abductee, the aliens etched a unique bar code onto one of the abductee's teeth. Neither of these methods is practical for marking humans for electronic sale transaction purposes. First, social conscience dictates that any permanent marking of humans not be conspicuous, such as a visible numbering on an arm like the holocaust victims. Second, the bar code must be long enough, large enough, and accessible enough to make the transaction efficient. Thus bar codes on teeth would not be practical because of the limited size of the teeth and the embarrassment caused by sales personnel placing scanning equipment in a customer's mouth.

      There is, therefore, a need in the art for verifying the identity of humans by electronic means that facilitates the transaction of sales, particularly e-money, through computer networks. It is an object of the present invention to overcome problems in the prior art.

      the problem of the prior art being those permanent markings being conspicuous, and that's it. meditate on that for a second.. and then check out the patent no. 4,597,495 which this one cites as reference. merry christmas!

    2. Re:IBM already did this by Intron · · Score: 2

      You probably didn't. There's a known bug in the code on this site where replies are mis-parented.

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  12. Wont work in the USA. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Americans don't want to see the face of the pig they are eating, In fact most don't want to hear how you kill and process and animal. Putting a photo of the pig on the package will guarantee a drop in sales.

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  13. and track it back to its facebook page by milindss · · Score: 2

    Track it back to its facebook page and post a message - "You were delicious"

  14. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We've been doing this in Europe for quite a few years now...

  15. Re:First Yea!!! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Cayenne8,

    We in the agriculture and food processing industry take customer satisfaction extremely seriously. For a small additional packaging fee, we would be delighted to ensure that your food has been locally produced in the location of your choice and certified to whatever standard you desire by whatever certification bodies you trust most. Our graphics department may require 8-10 additional business days for certification logos not already in our library, and 4-colour printing is extra.

    To suit the requirements of today's environmentally sensitive customer, we are proud to label all our products as being sustainably derived from non-endangered species, or endangered species whose tissues are indistinguishable by any test likely to be employed by the customs agents of your jurisdiction.

    Sincerely Yours,
    The Supply Chain.

  16. Prior Art: IBM and Nazi Germany +3, Sickening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    collaboration.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !

    Yours In Osh,
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  17. Re:First Yea!!! by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    I can tell you how to do this right now.

    Go find a farm and buy from them. you can even pick out the chicken that is running around for them to kill for you.

    Honestly, it has been easy to buy local for centuries, most people dont want to bother because it also involves experiencing the process. several times a year I buy a cow with 3 other families. we end up with 1/4 of it in processed meat that tastes better than anything from a supermarket.

    It's more expensive, but it can easily be done.

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  18. Ben & Jerry's did this long ago by AlienSexist · · Score: 2

    Many years ago there was a similar article about Ben & Jerry's ice cream doing the same kind of ingredient-to-finished-product tracking. It described how say, complaints in Cherry Garcia ice cream can be traced by batch # to the source of the cherries, cream, etc to help pinpoint the problem in quality. For a long time people had been wanting things like this for food safety. Past steps to get the ball rolling in the livestock industry are stalled on practical matters such as tagging things like yes.. Individual chickens. The obvious complaint is that it costs too much money for farmers/ranchers to tag all of these animals. Humorously the farmers joke that the politicians want them to tag the chickens in their ears... which chickens do not have.

  19. Gets old... by Junta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone know that the part of IBM operating in Germany worked with the government of the time helping with some of the most heinous institutionalized in human history. However, there is a good chance you can't find a single person currently in IBM's employ who was even *born* when that was happening. Implying that IBM continues to be a company worthy of scorn even now due to this is not that far off from calling Germany a despicable country. We must never forget and specific examples of how organizations were complicit in the whole thing helps to keep perspective, but in any way implying the IBM of *today* has any blame for what was done by people who have no invlovlement in IBM at all anymore is not productive.

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    1. Re:Gets old... by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      As somebody that HAS worked for IBM Watson labs, I have no issue with pointing out how bad they are. They were gutted badly and continue down that path.

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  20. I, an IT worker, also own a pig farm. by hideouspenguinboy · · Score: 2

    We are a small family farm - we raise our pigs outdoors without locking them up. We feed them grain, but also hay, whey from a nearby dairy, and windfall apples from a local orchard. My customers know exactly where their meat comes from, I get more for my product than most farmers do, and they get a savings by buying a far superior product directly from me without having to pay for all the transportation and advertising costs in the supermarket. It's awesome. Seriously - go find a farmer who will let you meet the meat and only by from them forever. You won't regret it.

  21. Re:First Yea!!! by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who grew up in the farm... I don't have issues with that. We have gotten so squeamish about food, we should know where you food comes from. Edible Mushrooms you get at the store are grown in manure. Our Tomato Sauce from a jar or a can come from storage containers that have stored the tomatoes for up to 3 years. The FDA allows a particular percentage that is greater then 0% of bugs dead bugs to be found and processed in food...

    If you get grossed out because of your food, then most likely you don't know much about it. If you grow up on a farm and see how your food is produces and made from what and how... You have respect for it, you know to clean it before hand, and how to properly prepare it.

    I eat meat, I know it comes from animals, and most of these animals have a distinct personality and if they weren't going to be food I could be friends with it, and have it as a loving pet. When I eat meat I don't joy over the fact that I am eating a dead animal, I take into consideration that this animal has died for my sustenance (and hence why I don't often wast meet).

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  22. Re:First Yea!!! by turtledawn · · Score: 2

    You may be interested in CSA programs. Here's a good place to start: http://www.localharvest.org/

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  23. Re:if pig dens are over there like here.. by Millennium · · Score: 2

    Both, I'd guess. The claimed reasoning will be to force people to make the connection between the living animal and the meat being eaten.

  24. Good by AdamJS · · Score: 2

    I would have to start mailing PETA pictures of my lovely steaks.

  25. Let me know when .... by OldHawk777 · · Score: 2

    Let me know when they start tracking the pork chop from plate to the city sewage treatment plant.

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