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Troops In Afghanistan Supplied By Robot Helicopter

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Pakistan is still blockading NATO war supplies passing through the port of Karachi in response to last month's killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers by an alliance air strike. But inside Afghanistan, supply lines are about to get a lot safer for NATO's logisticians as an unmanned helicopter just delivered a sling-load of beans, bullets, and band-aids to Marines at an undisclosed base in Afghanistan marking the first time a drone has been used to resupply a unit at war. The 2.5-ton, GPS-guided K-MAX can heft 3.5 tons of cargo about 250 miles up and over the rugged and mountainous terrain of Afghanistan across which NATO troops are scattered and can fly around the clock. 'Most of the [K-MAX] missions will be conducted at night and at higher altitudes,' says Marine Capt. Caleb Joiner, a K-MAX operator. 'This will allow us to keep out of small-arms range.' K-MAX will soon be joined in Afghanistan by Lockheed's robo jeep that can carry a half a ton of supplies for up to 125 miles after being delivered to the field in a CH-47 or CH-53 helo."

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  1. AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Meanwhile, my kid's school can't afford to hire enough teacher for every class.

    1. Re:AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Protip: Don't believe everything the American Federation of Teachers says about necessary student:teacher ratios.

      THIS. "Teachers" lie, especially when it comes to how effective/efficient they are. ...Sure, the teachers need to get paid, the building needs to be kept in decent repair, but where the FUCK is all that money going? One place it goes is to the superintendent whose salary is probably well into the six figures, and they are probably doing a shitty job of managing (just ask the unions!)

      So your premise is that "Teachers lie" and to prove it, you use an example of an overpaid superintendent who teachers have no control over (and who is supposed to be in charge of the teachers).

    2. Re:AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe the point is that we have enough money going to the schools already, but it isn't going to the right places. So the solution is not "more money" but "stop wasting the money you already have."

    3. Re:AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 3, Insightful

      THIS. "Teachers" lie, especially when it comes to how effective/efficient they are. In the past 20 years, the "price" of education in the USA has gone up over 200% on a per-pupil basis (and the students sure as hell aren't 200% smarter to show for it).

      Do you know what it means for the price going up over 200% in 20 years? It means that the average inflation rate was around 3.5%. How is that such a shocking cost hike?

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    4. Re:AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Don't forget about our affordable healthcare that is available to everyone.

    5. Re:AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      my kid's school can't afford to hire enough teacher for every class.

      Funding probably ain't the issue. With a few obvious exceptions, America's under-performing schools are among the best-funded in the world. Throwing even more money at the problem is almost as stupid as our children.

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    6. Re:AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

      U.S. spending on K-12 education per student is the second highest in the world (adjusted for local cost of living, PPP). If your kid's school can't afford to hire enough teachers, the problem isn't because they lack funding.

    7. Re:AMERICA FUCK YEA!! by mjwx · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First off, you do know that teachers dont stop working at 3:30. Most are there from 7 and sometimes even 6 AM and dont finish up until 5 PM. What are they doing, marking, preparing for class and even cleaning up that they cant do when looking after 30 unruly children. During exam/reporting time they tend to work even more hours at home. Why do they do it for such low pay, well they actually want to teach. Yes I've lived with real teachers.

      I am sick and tired of every teacher givging excuses why they are home by 3:30 and have such excessive holidays.

      So you see school as some sort of cheap child care.

      Gubbermint, raise my chillin' for me.
      Gubbermint, stop teachin' my chillin' no liberal evilution crap.
      Gubbermint, gimme drugs to stop my chillin' from misbehavin'.

      You are the problem, not teachers.

      Here in Australia, it's idiotic parent's like you who prevent the teachers from doing their job. When precious little Johny Fucktard-Snowflake gets an F and suspension because he cant keep his hands of other students and doesn't do any classwork Mrs Fucktard-Snowflake marches her fat thighs into the principals office where she huffs and puffs and whines until the F turns into an A because little Johny is a precious snowflake and cant be treated in that fashion by a mere teacher. A teacher is not permitted to tell parents their crotchspawn is a right little shit because the parents will raise bloody hell over the mere question of their lack of parenting ability.

      So if your kid's report says "Johny needs to pay more attention in class" this is teacher code for YOU ARE THE FUCKTARD because this is the most critical thing they are allowed to write to parents.

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  2. What? by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 2

    Is the fact that it is flying out of small-arms fire somehow unusual? Why wouldn't our resupply helicopters already fly high?

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    1. Re:What? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because they can't. Helicopters can't generate enough lift to fly out of the way of small arms fire without great difficulty in general. And in places like Afghanistan that are in the mountains and the people firing the small arms get closer they aren't able to.

  3. GPS-guided? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 2.5-ton, GPS-guided K-MAX ...

    Great, soon we'll be accidentally feeding Iran.

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    1. Re:GPS-guided? by jdastrup · · Score: 2
      correction:

      Iran CLAIMS TO HAVE spoofed GPS signals and tricked the drone to land, undamaged, where they wanted it to land. What prevents someone them from doing the same (or far worse) with Homeland Security drones in the US?

    2. Re:GPS-guided? by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How could the drone not know that the signal was coming from a ground based transmitter? The signal should have been greatly muted by the skin of the radar evading drone. I think it is very suspicious that they even knew that the drone was there in the first place. Something is horribly wrong here.

      Here's a more likely explanation: Something on the drone malfunctioned, causing it to lose power and glide to the ground. Iranians found it on the ground shortly thereafter, took it to their favorite gymnasium, and came up with a story that makes them look good.

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  4. Conventional design by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder why the design is so conventional looking? They must have modified an existing light helicopter for remote control. Either that or the standard cockpit style helicopter design is already the most efficient aerodynamically. I was expecting to see what amounted to an engine and gas tank that can fly.

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    1. Re:Conventional design by geekoid · · Score: 2

      As the start specifically designing carries for robot only, the design will changes.
      3 generation they will barely be recognizable.

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    2. Re:Conventional design by rolfwind · · Score: 2

      Why did cars start out looking like horseless carriages?

    3. Re:Conventional design by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

      The base airframe (Kaman K-MAX) has been operational since 1991.

      In terms of FAA certification, it's a lot easier to modify an existing certified platform than to create a new one.

      That's why, for example, you see so many different variants of the Sikorsky S-70/H-60 Blackhawk/Seahawk/Pavehawk/otherhawk

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    4. Re:Conventional design by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      Probably because they figured that a) they had existing design specs to accommodate a human pilot, b) you can transport people that way, and c), if the enemy is using fancy jamming techniques, a pilot can hop in and to the task manually.

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    5. Re:Conventional design by KhabaLox · · Score: 2

      3 generation they will barely be recognizable.

      Not true. We'll recognize them from the Terminator movies.

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  5. I guess by Roachie · · Score: 2

    The creepy robotic mule had the day off.

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  6. Re:So... by narkosys · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never seen a K-Max have you: http://www.kamanaero.com/helicopters/kmax.html

    It is a very narrow single seat helicopter. It can carry heavy loads due to it using two main rotors as opposed to the usual main rotor/tail rotor combination. The ones in the story just happened to be modified to run unmanned.

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  7. Re:AMERICA (school system) FUCK YEA!! by drainbramage · · Score: 2

    [Meanwhile, my kid's school can't afford to hire enough teacher for every class.] But they do have more employees than students.
    (State of Washington)
    Its been so much better since D.C. took control.

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  8. Nice toys but... by nojayuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A few things to note...

    These remote-piloted helicopters and "flying jeeps" are being deployed in testing because they are thought to be safer methods of resupply than an 11-B driving a truck. This indicates that in Afghanistan, after almost ten years of occupation (longer than the Soviets stayed) most of the country is considered too dangerous for the occupiers to move freely in.

    The second point is that these neat toys don't provide mass logistics supply to the forces in Afghanistan from friendly countries, the convoys of fuel tankers, food and ammunition, the thousands of tonnes of supplies needed each day to keep a modern military force operational. The US yahoos who blew up a bunch of Pakistani troops has cost the NATO forces that safe border convoy route and no technological tricks will restore that conduit. Abject apologies and reparations might help but this is the US who don't apologize for slaughtering other people's troops even by accident.

    Third point, following on from the second is keeping these remotely-piloted aircraft flying is expensive in fuel terms. A truck will burn ten or fifteen gallons of gas or fuel oil to get ten tonnes of supplies a hundred miles. A helicopter burns a lot more fuel to cover the same distance with a much smaller load, and the fuel convoys across the Pakistani border have been shut down after the "accident". The only way to get that fuel into Afghanistan now is to fly it into airbases and that's both a logistical nightmare and also dollar-expensive.

  9. Re:Perfectly reasonable approach by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The SR-71 Blackbird used stars for navigational reference, as it was in service before GPS was available. Cruise missiles have used landmarks for low-altitude "scudrunning" since their inception.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation

    As early as the mid-1960s, advanced electronic and computer systems had evolved enabling navigators to obtain automated celestial sight fixes. These systems were used aboard both ships as well as US Air Force aircraft, and were highly accurate, able to lock onto up to 11 stars (even in daytime) and resolve the craft's position to less than 300 feet (91 m). The SR-71 high-speed reconnaissance aircraft was one example of an aircraft that used automated celestial navigation. These rare systems were expensive, however, and the few that remain in use today are regarded as backups to more reliable satellite positioning systems.

    Celestial navigation continues to be used by private yachtsmen, and particularly by long-distance cruising yachts around the world. For small cruising boat crews, celestial navigation is generally considered an essential skill when venturing beyond visual range of land. Although GPS (Global Positioning System) technology is reliable, offshore yachtsmen use celestial navigation as either a primary navigational tool or as a backup.

    Strategic ballistic nuclear missiles use celestial navigation to check and correct their course (initially set using internal gyroscopes) while outside the Earth's atmosphere. The immunity to jamming signals is the main driver behind this apparently archaic technique.

    Emphasis mine.

  10. Re:Perfectly reasonable approach by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2

    Forgive the reply to myself. Here is one of the original astrocompass systems used in the B-52 for celestial navigation.

    Automatic Astro Compass Type MD-1
    http://www.prc68.com/I/MD1.shtml

    If you want to go see one for yourself, they're on display: "There are B-52s on static display, that should have MD-1 systems at: Travis, Castle, March and Edwards fields in CA."

    I should point out that, while these used to be expensive mechanical systems, most of this can be done with software and properly calibrated and redundant CCD sensors.

  11. 3.5 tons of cargo 250 miles? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    That's about 3 hours of flight time. So people avoid the chopper for 3 hours and then come back after it runs our of fuel and goes away.

    You need boots on the ground to hold something.

    For cargo though I'd have thought something like this would be better:
    http://www.hybridairvehicles.com/

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  12. Re:US spends more money per student ... by rmstar · · Score: 2

    You probably have no money for a new teacher's salary because administrators wanted to redecorate one of their offices.

    Hm, no, more likely the money is sinking into some private company owned by a friend of a legislator.

  13. Re:So... by Jeremi · · Score: 2

    If we have a robo-chopper big enough to carry all that.....why not just put guns on the robo-chopper and send it in?

    Send it in to do what, exactly?

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  14. Re:Robots! by Solandri · · Score: 2

    Not if everyone has robots! Then we can have robots fight robots. Maybe in the future, global conflicts will be resolved via LAN party in a mutually agreed-upon FPS!