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Creating the World's Cheapest Tablet

Back in October, we discussed news that India had launched a $35 tablet. Now, JohnWiney writes with a story in the Globe and Mail about the device's development. Quoting: "Part of the difficulty in engineering such a device is that the underlying goal—that its final price should be within the means of those who can’t afford high-priced tablets—dictates crucial engineering and component decisions. A piece of high-impact-resistant glass, such as the touchscreen face of an iPad, can cost upward of $20. Datawind’s touchscreen glass, which the company had engineered down the street, costs less than $2, though it won’t allow for luxuries like pinch-and-zoom finger swiping. There were also compromises on processing power: Datawind’s 366 megahertz processor costs less than $5, a fraction of the $15-plus price tag on the chips that power iPads and other comparable tablets. And while the decision to run Google’s free Android mobile operating system on the gadget saves money, it requires coders to dig deep into the Linux kernel that underpins the software, tweaking it until it runs smoothly on Datawind’s weaker processor."

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  1. Race to the bottom by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, a race to the bottom will always result in a lower-quality experience. It doesn't seem worth it for the compromises made. Amusingly, devices like this get figured into the amorphous statistic of "Android marketshare" in countless forum operating system arguments.

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    1. Re:Race to the bottom by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're posting this on a forum where a good number of readers are obsessed with Linux. It's not that Linux isn't a great OS (I use it for server-side stuff) but it certainly doesn't provide the polished overall experiences that Microsoft or Apple do.

      There is a breakeven point for many people. Those people who are happy to pay $200 for a machine and spend the time getting it to run well with something like Linux even at the expense of a better experience which may cost 6x as much (Apple).

      So, if someone cannot or is unwilling to pay $500 for an iPad but may be willing to pay less than $100, it's going to give a much better experience than nothing.

    2. Re:Race to the bottom by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It doesn't seem worth it for the compromises made

      So if you're an Indian for whom an iPad costs the equivalent of a year's salary you should go without altogether, rather than have the best-in-breed? Sounds like a plan - Since I can't afford a Porsche I'll stick with walking.

    3. Re:Race to the bottom by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      There is no consumer product that isn't part of that "race to the bottom". If you were willing to spend several million dollars on a tablet, I'm sure you could get something dramatically better than any tablet currently on the market. There is always a cost/quality trade off.

    4. Re:Race to the bottom by hedwards · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends a great deal on the distro. I've been using Linux Mint and I've spent very little time trying to fix it, probably similar to how much time I've spent trying to fix Win 7.

      OTOH, Arch, Gentoo and similar are aimed at people that are more interested in controlling their complete experience, and probably take more time to maintain.

    5. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is actually not $35 because the company's is asking for $52 each to build it while the government pays the difference.

      Also if this were a real retail product, there would be additional mark up etc making it more like a $75 item (number off my ass).

    6. Re:Race to the bottom by broken_chaos · · Score: 2

      It depends heavily on your hardware, too -- especially for laptop systems. Particularly on brand new machines, there's often things that just don't work or don't work by default yet, though these pieces of hardware often have their support (and default setup) improved over the span of a few years -- which, for some people, is just in time to replace their old machine.

    7. Re:Race to the bottom by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Funny

      "It's not that Linux isn't a great OS (I use it for server-side stuff) but it certainly doesn't provide the polished overall experiences that Microsoft or Apple do."

      Major flamewar imminent! EVERYONE, GET TO THE BUNKER!

    8. Re:Race to the bottom by hedwards · · Score: 2

      That's a fair point, most of the time I've found that just buying quality components makes a lot of those problems go away. Granted it's not perfect, but for the most part I've found computers that work well on Linux tend to work well on Windows because they've been well designed. A large number of problems I've run into over the years were the result of manufacturers taking shortcuts or using inferior components.

    9. Re:Race to the bottom by Ambvai · · Score: 2

      My sister's boss got a 100$ digital picture frame (no battery, data is SD) for Christmas. I think a 35$ tablet is more than adequate to replace that.

    10. Re:Race to the bottom by oakgrove · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those people who are happy to pay $200 for a machine and spend the time getting it to run well with something like Linux even at the expense of a better experience which may cost 6x as much (Apple).

      Speak for yourself. I use Linux because for me it is the better experience. Kind of like for Mac people, OSX is and for windows people, well, windows is. That's a very arrogant attitude you have there.

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    11. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It depends heavily on your hardware, too

      Same thing with popular proprietary systems too like OSX and Android. People don't seem to have a problem with the concept of just buying hardware that these operating systems are intended for so why not do that for Linux without having to make an issue out of it? And, yes, I know Android is Linux.

    12. Re:Race to the bottom by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > You're assuming that any device is necessarily better than no device.

      Um, no. He's assuming that the Datawind tablet is better than not being able to use the applications the tablet provides. I know this is hard to understand, but if you need to run an application to help you plant your crops, a device that doesn't happen to have a trendy metal bezel and won't play Angry Birds is still better than not planting your crops.

      It's not about the device, it's about access to content.

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    13. Re:Race to the bottom by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For people with NO alternative experience, even weak devices can change their lives.

      Would you rather have NO computer, or a Celeron 500 with 256MB RAM? Those specs don't even merit a dumpster dive nowadays in the US, but don't forget what you can do with one.

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    14. Re:Race to the bottom by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then... I have an idea -- why don't you go tell them that. Someone over there thinks there is a critical need for a device at that price point. It's easy for us first world residents to say they should be buying iPads instead without any appreciation at all for what life is like in that part of the world. The last time I was there, the houseboy slept on the floor in the hallway outside my hotel door, because it was more comfortable than his home. (I asked him.) Away from the cities, the great majority don't have access to any of the things you take for granted -- GPS, cell service, access to the internet. It's a totally different environment. *We* think you're a little nuts for camping outside the AT&T store in the rain waiting to replace your 4 with a 4s. People in *that* part of the world think you're batshit crazy.

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    15. Re:Race to the bottom by certain+death · · Score: 2

      This is my mantra! Use what you NEED to, not what someone ELSE tells you that you need to use. My Macbook is running a Linux firewall in a VM that I am behind at the moment, typing this on a Linux Mint peecee on a desk next to my Windows 7 Laptop connected to the corporate network.

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    16. Re:Race to the bottom by certain+death · · Score: 2

      Host an email server for 5000 heavy users - That's what! :o) Linux/Postfix/squirrelmail FTW!!!

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    17. Re:Race to the bottom by djl4570 · · Score: 2

      It's an excellent proof of concept. How much of an IPad can we do for one tenth the price of an IPad? There's a lot of whinging on the net about bloated software and overpriced gadgets yet all too often we react with disdain when someone delivers a low priced example without the bloat. There could be a market for a billion cheap tablet computers in India and China alone. Hopefully other designers will follow suit and ask "How much of an IPad can we do for one fourth the price? Perhaps HP should have asked that question a couple of years ago.

    18. Re:Race to the bottom by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2

      Then it's not very revolutionary because I can already run down to Big Lots and get a low quality $80 Android 2.2 tablet. I guess the revolutionary part is getting the government to heavily subsidize your product.

    19. Re:Race to the bottom by symbolset · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now would be a good time for you to propose a low-tech alternative to a cheap tablet that holds 20,000 books about the sciences, history, the arts - that promotes literacy and hygiene and medicine. It should include instructions for various good practices such as sustainable agriculture, clean well digging and sanitary sewage practices, mortuary and food preparation practices among other things - in native language or with a suitable translation engine. All subjects introductory to advanced in math, chemistry, biology, mechanical and electrical engineering and history must be included. It must contain enough information to be able to uplift an entire village out of the stone age and into the space age - in a 7" tablet form factor that can be hidden, trekked across the desert and charged by laying it in the sun.

      Ideally this low-tech solution should weigh less than half a kilogram and cost less than $35 - durable and disposable enough to smuggle into or airdrop from drones into places like southern China, North Korea, India, the Phillipines and Arkanas.

      What did you have in mind?

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    20. Re:Race to the bottom by dakara · · Score: 3, Funny

      Major flamewar imminent! EVERYONE, GET TO THE BUNKER!

      Major flamewar imminent! EVERYONE, GET TO THE CHOPPA!
      FTFY

    21. Re:Race to the bottom by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know this is hard to understand, but people already have an application that helps them plant their crops. They've had it for generations. It's called asking the local farmers how to do it.

      I don't think you realize how much more productive the farmers in the US became after they were able to get their hands on the bulletins and advisory pamphlets that the Department of Agriculture put (and still puts) out. Or how much science goes into running a farm. How much information is required for successful farming.

      Apparently, you're not familiar with the business of farming and how much of it depends on an up-to-the-minute awareness of market conditions, weather conditions. economic conditions, and forecasts. Even their bank balance.

      Having access to a bit of technology that allows them access to a library of information and online data could definitely mean the difference between a farmer making it or failing utterly.

      Why don't you let the farmers decide whether or not they need the trendy metal bezel and SIRI or not?

      And yes, any device that allows farmers to ask farmers all over the country "how to do it" is better than having them asking only the local farmers. They could get information about pest control, get help with crop diseases and learn about various types of fertilizers. Indeed, the communications capabilities of a basic tablet could help them ask the local farmers and maybe participate in discussions with ALL the local farmers.

      I guess you think they all just drive their tractors or mules and meet up down by the barn with hayseeds 'twixt their teeth to tell each other how to plant a potato.

      I don't care if they're sustenance farmers in rural India or a Wisconsin dairy farmer with a few thousand heads. They're using tons of data and having access to that data in the form of a handheld tablet could be a real boon for them. Farmers here in the US are probably among the small businesses that make the greatest use of the Internet and personal computing technology. For some of those farmers, the Internet is a literal lifeline.

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    22. Re:Race to the bottom by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well I think a lot of that was caused by Linux developers and advocates being frankly stupidly low with regards to system requirements. How many "Dumpster dive a great Linux box!" and "Save a PC from the dump, just use Linux!" articles have we seen? Well by putting their system reqs at frankly ludicrously low levels what you ended up with is OEMs slapping Linux on machines that frankly would have had trouble running Win98 without hanging and gave Linux a worse view from those that don't know about specs and just look at price. i mean a 366Mhz CPU? Geez we were throwing out faster chips than that a decade ago! It reminds me of those junkers Walmart used to sell with Linux that had worse specs than what you'd find in a dumpster.

      Sure its nice that you can run Linux on some POS that used to run Win95 but that doesn't mean its gonna be a pleasant experience with the modern web. This thing might be fine for an ebook reader but i shudder to think what trying to surf the bling bling heavy web will be like, even without flash but just dealing with all the heavy JavaScript out there with a 366Mhz CPU, I bet its like trying to load modern web pages on a 300 baud modern...eek! of course many will just say its because Android or Linux sucks and hurt the rep when its just the OS is being squeezed into woefully underpowered hardware.

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    23. Re:Race to the bottom by chrb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it certainly doesn't provide the polished overall experiences that Microsoft or Apple do.

      Nice switch. The Linux variant being discussed by the OP was Android, which is by all accounts pretty polished (the latest version in particular has been widely praised), but your then go on to define your argument against Android based on desktop Linux distributions. Desktop Linux and Android are not the same, so this line of reasoning is completely invalid. I could go on and point out that many people don't care about visual bling, and how it's taken years for Windows and OS X to incorporate support for simple concepts like software repositories that Linux distributions have had for over a decade (do the Windows and Mac app store repositories even do dependency tracking across packages yet?) Linux isn't even a desktop. If you're going to say that something isn't polished, at least tell people what you are talking about - Gnome, KDE, Xfce?

    24. Re:Race to the bottom by artor3 · · Score: 2

      I understand where you're coming from, but I think you're greatly overselling this device.

      1) Assuming it does hold 20k books on topics from history to advanced biology, is that really preferable to funding better schools? Among the Indian poor, the target market for this device, the school dropout rate is more than 50%. For girls, it's more than 90%. Is giving them a bunch of books really going to improve that?
      2) Assuming that the device does contain info on (for example) hygiene and medicine, are people really going to follow it over the common knowledge? I know a doctor in Moldova who, despite his medical training, still believes that moving air is the root cause of illness (a common belief in that country). Even in America, we are still trying to get past our old beliefs that "everyone knows" which are not only false but damaging (e.g. drinking alcohol keeps you warm).
      3) Diagrams on well digging and such would be a great help, but is this device rugged enough to be taken into the field? The GP made a good analogy... if your choice is between a $1000 car that breaks down all the time, and no car at all, you're better off without a car. What happens to a man who makes 10 cents a day if his $35 tablet stops working because he dropped it in some muck?

      While it might do some good, this thing is not going to uplift a village from stone age to space age. Nor could any realistic gadget. You can't rely on technology to solve a cultural problem.

    25. Re:Race to the bottom by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      You can polish a turd, if you freeze it. Now, I'm not actually saying that Windows or OSX is a polished turd, I'm just saying that if you were to imply that Windows or OSX has a level of polish absent from Linux, it wouldn't be hard to make your argument.

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    26. Re:Race to the bottom by symbolset · · Score: 2

      I'm quite serious. These tablets are themselves from a sci-fi novel - and a not-so-very old one at that - but they are nevertheless realizable in the near term. The pace of progress is picking up quite a bit.

      When my grandfather died men had not yet walked on the moon and the very idea was laughable science fiction. My mother was quite the successful medical professional and now I carry more books in my pocket each day (several thousand) than she ever read in her life. We have things now like Khan Academy and Open Courseware that offer the modern connected person with the time, ability and inclination the opportunity to learn many things that were once the secrets of a privileged few. And of course material facts like the seventh US President's policy on federal debt are but a google away, when once upon a time to discover such a thing you needed access to a good library with an encyclopedia.

      These things are not just possible but inevitable. You cannot stop them no matter how much you protest because the fusion of information and communication means that knowledge will penetrate into the darkest spaces even against determined opposition. All you do in the attempt is reveal your bigotry. You think the impoverished are in some way inferior when in fact you are no better than them. It seems likely the stone of suffering has honed their wit substantially. You just have the advantage of more plentiful resources, chief among them knowledge about how to do things more easily, safely and comfortably - and not because of any personal merit but by accident of birth.

      People are lazy. Show them an easy way to do something and they'll take it every time.

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    27. Re:Race to the bottom by cgenman · · Score: 2

      To be fair, the OLPC was a crappy 200 dead end, that spurned the development of the $200 broadly available netbook and the $400 entry-level laptop. Smartphones were derided as incompatible portable browsers attached to a uselessly tiny screen, until they took over the world. The "Race to the bottom" is pretty much where most people live, and where revolutions happen.

      Maybe a $35 uselessly anachronistic tablet will finally spurn some $50 broadly available tablites. Or single-use interactive eTextbooks. Or embed it into devices as a standard UI component on dishwashers, cars, or other things. Or maybe it will actually take off on its own.

      Who knows? But give credit where due: they've done something fantastically geeky.

    28. Re:Race to the bottom by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well by putting their system reqs at frankly ludicrously low levels what you ended up with is OEMs slapping Linux on machines that frankly would have had trouble running Win98 without hanging and gave Linux a worse view from those that don't know about specs and just look at price. i mean a 366Mhz CPU?

      To be fair, I have a 400 Mhz P3 that has performed admirably for a decade or so with effectively zero downtime as a dev server and network monitor for a production server cluster. To say that you can't get significant use from such comparatively scant resources is simply wrong. I manage my expectations... I am not expecting a responsive, HD flash video experience, nor am I expecting to render expressive graphics with a "snappy" experience.

      Look at this as a research project: how do you get a good experience at a reduced power level? You aren't going to get a good experience at 366 Mhz, but given just two Moore's law doublings, you are up to 1.5 GHz, roughly in line with today's midline tablet processors. That's just 4 to 6 years away, depending on how you interpret Moore's law.

      The lessons learned today will result in a much better experience for future users of both "low end" and more mainstream processors.

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    29. Re:Race to the bottom by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Most people interpret Moores Law as "quick, lets invent more pointless bling!".

      I still remember running Unix on a 2MHz VAX. I believe it supported 64 users theoretically, and about 20 in practice. (No GUI, of course).

      Hear Hear Anne! I remember surfing the web on a 233MHz with a stripped down Win98 running on 64Mb and frankly it was nice...until Geocities came out! Then it was OC the hell out of that Celeron and if you're lucky the silicon won't melt when the page you visit ends up making a comet Cursor pocketwatch hang from your mouse cursor like a string of snot!

      Website developers are the absolute WORST when it comes to loading on the bling! Anyone else remember when a page that was 100Kb was considered bloated shit? We used to have frankly VERY usable websites on a third of that because they didn't go nuts with piling on the bling, now even on the fastest connections you can watch as the crap from all over the web is called and the bloat piles on up and that is WITHOUT flash! Now picture that on a 366Mhz mobile device where its doubtful they'll have ABP to block the 3 pages worth of ads for every page worth of content not to mention all that ultra heavy JavaScript and HTML...eeek! if they think a 1.5GHz mobile will be usable in 3 years much less 6 they haven't hung around any website designers obviously because by that time anything under 3GHz dual cores will be like that 366MHz is today, just a horribly painful experience. I'm all for saving money but there is a floor where you go below it and you've made the device nothing but a worthless toy and I think TFA has reached that floor and then tunneled under a couple of feet.

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    30. Re:Race to the bottom by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You wanna feel young again? My first "PC" didn't even have an OS, just a BASIC interpreter! Look up the specs on a Commodore VIC sometime and be amazed anybody could do anything with the thing, hell a $1 watch at Fred's has more power than the VIC had.

      This is why I say everyone should take the time and just be amazed at what we have. I mean my fricking netbook has dual cores, 80 stream processors, 8Gb of RAM and a 320Gb HDD and I paid less for it than I did for the VIC minus the tape drive! The desktop I'm typing this on has SIX cores, 8Gb of RAM, 3 fricking Tb of HDD space, 800 stream processors for video, a 1600x900 widescreen and cost less than the 386SX with a lousy 20Mb HDD which was my first IBM PC compatible! Hell you could easily fit my first 5 HDDs into the RAM I have on EITHER system!

      So I think as we are about to send another year into the pass folks ought to just take a minute and be amazed at what Moore's Law has given us. I mean when even my 71 year old dad is running a quad, I have a dual core in the closet for a spare "just in case' and even my kid's hand me downs have truly insane levels of graphics power you really need to stop a minute and just be amazed at how far we've come in terms of power in such a short time. I mean when i started out a "laptop" would have been the Osbourne or Commodore Portables and they would have busted your knees if you tried setting them 20 pounders on your lap, not to mention the need for a REALLY long extension cord if you wanted to go anywhere with it and i hope you had great eyesight for that 3 inch screen, now I enjoy 6 hours of HD video on a charge on a machine that just weighs 3 pounds and only cost $350? that's nuts!

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  2. This is great by Metricmouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It it is imho a basic human right to compute, now a lot more people can.

  3. 366 MHz? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ha. You old people are so funny. You could never do anything real on a 366 MHz processor. I mean, like, the Android I got for christmas has at LEAST 1200 megahertzes. I bet they had at least that when they went to that moon or invented the awesome SR-71.

    Who are these indian kids that would even get this. I would be soooo mad if someone got me this for christmas. Such a horrible gift. No one could ever even use it.

    Let them have the original iPhone.

    1. Re:366 MHz? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Ignoring the blatant trolling of your comment

      WHOOSH!

    2. Re:366 MHz? by Richard_J_N · · Score: 3, Informative

      You make a good point. I always thought it rather a shame that the excellent GPE (for iPaq) never went anywhere - GPE (the gnome-palmtop-environment) ran really well on the 266 MHz CPUs of its day, and contained regular linux + busybox + X + Gtk + some applications. It fitted into 16 MB of flash and 32MB of RAM. Sadly nobody ever created the phone-peripheral to make this into a smartphone, and we ended up evolving backwards - making phones gradually more smart, instead of fitting a voice-modem to a pre-existing portable computer. As a result, Android is 7 years late, and an atrocious resource-hog. Meanwhile, we had a diversion for QTopia etc (on, for example, the Zaurus). Qt was so much slower than Gtk for embedded devices (though it was prettier if one prized beauty over speed), and the resulting systems were unusable.

      Part of the problem with Android (and iPhone) is that they run a Java GUI rather than X/Gtk (thereby making them incompatible with all the old, and fast apps); the other problem is that most apps aren't GPL. The consequence of this is that there is no central package manager (with dependency resolution and shared libraries). So every single app has to bundle its own icons, its own copy of the libraries, and run in its own sandbox. This makes them far more bloated. I do like Android, but we could get at least 10x better performance out of it if the environment were better engineered.

      You can easily demonstrate this to yourself: take a look at MenuetOS, which fits an OS + GUI + browser + media-player + editor + source-code on a single floppy!

    3. Re:366 MHz? by angiasaa · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm Indian you know.. Perhaps it does not occur to you, but there are people in this country who earn less in a year than you'd pay for a decent meal at a two star restraunt. There are millions of such people in fact. To say that the government agencies work hard to play this figure down, would be a gross understatement. But even though I live in a fairly prosperous patch of the country, living here since I was born, I have actually met such people.

      In a country of over a billion people, with barely 0.4% of the population sucking up 90% of the money that floats around, it is a spectacular vision of neglect and sadness.

      About 35% of the population of India lives below the poverty line. FYI, the poverty line translates to $6 US a year!
      Sure, for you it would feel like a kick in the stomach to receive a device such as this for christmas, but trust me, kids who get this device here would literally be willing to sell their kidneys for the opportunity to have one of them.

      Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying I love the device, just that there are loads of people who will. And not only will they love and enjoy it, they will actually get it to do stuff the rest of us never even dreamed possible on such a low-spec toy.

      So if someone asks me to buy the device for myself, I'd tell them to go eat shit. But I would nevertheless be glad to see it go out into the market for those who would otherwise go completely deviceless. I think there's some honour in that somewhere, but I'm having trouble putting it into words. :) Forgive me.

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    4. Re:366 MHz? by garyebickford · · Score: 2

      Yeah, troll, but ... I was working on $40,000 workstations in the late 1970s and early 1980s - 768x1024 or 1280x1024 displays, both monochrome (bit-mapped) and color (pixel-mapped). The fastest one (see Perq) had a 1MHz CPU, processing on a 64-bit memory pipeline. It had a pretty good window manager (with a mouse that worked on a special tablet), a programmable microprogram store, and an OS written in a systems-capable variant of Pascal. (Perq didn't come out with color till later.)

      The hard drive was IIRC up to 24 MB, and the memory was up to 2 MB.

      All in all, performance of the user interface was as good as anything we have now, not counting compositing and other compute-intensive functions.

      Much later (into the beginning of this century) I had a NextStation 25MHz. It was also pretty good as far as the user interface was concerned due to the use of the TI 9900 signal processor for drawing the display, but compiling anything significant could take all night. Ray tracing an image was a multiple-week project for anything complicated.

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    5. Re:366 MHz? by ChinggisK · · Score: 2

      Yea judging from the other replies to the OP, everyone's sarcasm detectors are on the fritz tonight. Must be those sun storms from yesterday.

    6. Re:366 MHz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My palm usually works in the 1/2 to 2 Hz range, and I have no complaints, even fireworks at times.

  4. Reduce the price of tablets overall by parallel_prankster · · Score: 2

    I think the benefit of such undertakings - creating the lowest costing item - is usually that some of the ideas that come out of it can be used by other companies to bring down the price of the device in general. Ofcourse, if they hit upon a radical way of making tablets cheaper yayy. Otherwise, if at least some of their ideas can incorporated to make things cheaper and more accessible to other parts of the world as well, then thats the biggest victory for them.

  5. Yes please. by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lord knows I have a million and one uses for cheap tablets. I could stick them to the back of the seats in the car, to shut up the kids in a long road trip. Stick one to my dashboard and connect it to a bluetooth ODB-II dongle. I would stick one to the front of the fridge to turn it into a new smart fridge. Hell, duct tape them to anything to smarten it up.

    It would also make a hella good universal remote for the lounge.

    Problem is now that tablets are spiffy high price gadgets with premium hardware and spiffy graphics that cost the same as a entry level laptop. I'd have one tablet to do all those things and have to carry it with me. Things will change radically when tablets really do become as cheap as they should be. Cheap enough and we'll start covering surfaces with them.

    All the interface animations and physical metaphor graphics (brushed metal, wood grain - Apple's microsoft bob era design philosophy), but after a while it's no benefit and a small waste of your time and battery power every time you watch a 500ms transition animation. They just get in the way and in the end I'd rather have more battery life/response/cheaper hardware.

    I really cannot wait to get my hands on a useful $99 or less tablet that actually doesn't look good, is rugged and doesn't have fancy graphics.

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    After logging in slashdot still does not take you back to the page you were on. It's been that way for 20 years.
    1. Re:Yes please. by tepples · · Score: 2

      A transition animation helps the brain (subconsciously) recognize how one piece of information on the screen relates to other pieces of information on the screen.

    2. Re:Yes please. by TheUser0x58 · · Score: 2

      Ah right, in 1997 running FVWM on a Pentium Pro was fine for me, a super-power-user, so its obviously good enough for the general computing populace. Marketing, design: call it what you want, but Im casting my lot with the company thats making boatloads of cash selling products that according to the Slashdot crowd are over-priced and under-functional.

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    3. Re:Yes please. by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

      Just hope the airbag doesn't inflate, otherwise it's gonna give a new meaning to retina display :)

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  6. It Depends On Your Profit Margin and features by LuxuryYacht · · Score: 4, Informative

    Currently there are ARM Cortex A8 tablets with 7" LCD's using the $5.00 Allwinner A10 ARM soc on sale for ~120ea.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCvef9IYX0o
    http://tabletrepublic.com/forum/cortex-a8-allwinner-a10/

    The actual cost to build them is around $60 ea

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  7. Re:Underlining the notion that time is worth nothi by garyebickford · · Score: 2

    If they can make the thing dirt and water resistant (almost essential, and ideally even waterproof, in the humid Indian climate), I would say it's a better solution for India than books and paper. Some of the OLPC ideas for making it cheap, robust and usable would be beneficial. Books may cost as much as several days pay for an average poor Indian just for the printing. If a single 'book' can be downloaded 100,000,000 times to simple tablets, it's much cheaper than printing the necessary books to educate 100,000,000 students for, say eight years. I would estimate that counting distribution and other factors, a tablet is probably cheaper after the first year.

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  8. Scale of Economics by Niscenus · · Score: 2

    What you call, "The Race to the Bottom," is in fact an essential link to making the Scale of Economy as rapidly effective as possible. Were you under some delusion that the original Apple computer was cutting edge from the then modern mini-computer perspective? Did you think the Motorola flip phones of the mid-nineties were the best cellular communications device available? There is a significant advantage, even without government subsidies to make things affordable to the poorer portions of the spectrum, to creating a basic experience as cheaply as possible.

    Today's pre-data-plan-required phones are five times more powerful than my first computer and a quarter the cost without adjusting for inflation, and that is available thanks to what you have titled, "Race to the bottom [sic]." Whatever moderator thought you were insightful must have the understanding of Economics and technology development cycles as 1/3rd of the US Congress.

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  9. Cheaper stuff is cheaper by lahvak · · Score: 2

    Duh! Cheaper stuff is not as good as expensive stuff (most of the time). I have an old dumb phone, that is not as good as a new powerful smartphone. Is my "experience" lower quality than it would be with a brand new i-phone or something similar? Sure it is. Am I willing to pay my phone company the money they charge for such new phone, plus data plan? Hell no! It's simply not worth to me, and I know better way to spend my money. Another example: when I go backpacking, could I spend few thousand dollars on gear that would keep me dryer, warmer, safer, etc? Sure. Would it improve my experience? Actually, no, I would be to worried about all the expensive stuff to really enjoy being in the woods. Is my old jacket, backpack, banded pot and old fire making kit as good as all the new expensive stuff? No, they are not, but they are good enough for me, I know them, I know I can rely on them, and if I happen to loose some of them in the woods, it's no big deal, I can get another one just like that very cheap.

    What I am trying to say, there is use for expensive, carefully designed stuff that will give you "high-quality experience", and there is place for cheap, rugged, "inferior" stuff. The problem with tablets is, right now there is no choice, you either have the expensive stuff, or you have nothing. Creating something that will give us choice cannot be bad.

    One of the advantages of systems like Android is that it makes devices like this possible, so it is perfectly right that they get counted.

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  10. A lot of them don't really know what you think by reiisi · · Score: 2

    Why are they stuck in poverty?

    Sure, part of it is the lack of resources.

    But another huge part is lack of information.

    Moreover, your talk about them getting information from their neighbors? Many/most of them live in villages where the neighbors don't have a phone, even if they do.

    You don't have to have a cutting edge communications device to benefit from a communications device. Calculation and informations storage and retrieval are additional benefits.

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