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Kozz writes "I've recently been tapped as 'the tech guy' at my church where a group familiar with library automation wants to get digital with the relatively small catalog. Right now all the materials are simply on shelves, and people take an item down, fill out the paper card and drop it into a box, and we hope that people correctly calculate their own due dates and return the materials. We had a card catalog, but it went largely unused. We're looking for a complete solution for both administration and self-checkout; label printing, checkout receipts, and so on. Have any Slashdot readers found yourself in this position, and do you have recommendations based on your experiences?"

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  1. keep it simple by bhenson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keep it simple use access with a form

    1. Re:keep it simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't listen to the "write your own" crowd.
      ILS software has been done to death, and there is alot more to it than you might think even for a small collection, just ask any library sciences grad.
      We have used koha several times and very much like it. There are other solutions. Web based is definately a bonus.
      Given the isbn may of these systems will fill out the book info for you.

    2. Re:keep it simple by durrr · · Score: 2

      Check in by having a high-res with flash picture of your face taken. Then ensure that every corner is covered by cameras to allow seamless tracking of individuals. Each shelf also ought to have enough camera coverage to identify books either by position or appearance.
      That way you could even track books that are removed and replaced in the wrong position.

      All you need is a lesser supercomputer and someone selling decent framerate high-res IP cams in bulk.

    3. Re:keep it simple by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2

      No, but they might have one person putting entries in, and one person checking out books. I've seen that workflow at very small (single room) libraries.

      And even if they never have more than one person working on it, Access is just kind of terrible. It also would require a lot of custom work to provide "a complete solution for both administration and self-checkout; label printing, checkout receipts, and so on" on top of it, especially in a way that was convenient to the librarians and patrons.

      Basically, I separately think that Access is a poor solution to this problem AND a poor solution to any problem. Honestly, just about anything is better - they'd basically be just as well off using a spreadsheet, for all the value Access has.

  2. Start with the basics by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know how small your library is but if it's large enough to warrant a card catalog then I'd suggest first putting all the books in the correct order and making sure the card catalog is accurate. dewey decimal system is your friend here.

    Once you have that down and not before, you can set up a basic database for your books.

    See if this works... first hit on google:
    http://www.primasoft.com/pro_software/library_software_pro.htm

    245 dollars for a complete package is dead cheap. This is a way better idea then programming your own access database. Do that if you're a bigger library or want customization. You probably don't care.

    Look around for some sort of complete all in one package. I just posted the first hit on google for this stuff. They have demos... try it out. Apparently they have barcode compatibility which will make check in and out a lot simpler.

    But all of that said... the books have to be in order and the card catalog has to be accurate. If people are going to procrastinate about organizing the books until the software is installed then do it backwards. But that's way more important then the database. A library with the books out of order is dysfunctional unless it's tiny.

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  3. If the card catalogue went unused... by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... what makes you think people will bother learning and using an even more complicated electronic system? Non univerisity library users (generally) tend to be the older generation. They don't have the ooo-shiny! approach to computers so if its a hassle they won't use it. End of.

  4. Koha? by hazem · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've never used it myself, but I once worked with a librarian who tried out Koha and found it pretty feature-full.

    http://www.koha.org/

    It might be a bit of overkill, but it has a large user-base and probably has every feature you could want.

    1. Re:Koha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suggest you use PMB instead. It's very simple to install (php based) and after an hour of work, you should already be encoding new books.
      Avoid Koha like the pleague. It's very powerful, but the install process can take days of work for a unix guru.
      The community is very active and helpful. Koha people will ask you to RTFM or hire them.

      (Having worked as tech support for my librarian gf who studied the differences between the two, I can tell you I don't invent this).

    2. Re:Koha? by dingram17 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you are going to use Koha, I suggest going to the community based library that developed it, not the company that grabbed the source and grabbed trademarks all around the world. The 'original' developers are at http://koha-community.org/. LibLime (the other guys) have even tried to stop the Koha developers using the name Koha - the very name they came up with. Koha is Maori for 'treasure', and this free software is certainly a treasure for libraries that don't want to spend a fortune on software.

    3. Re:Koha? by geezer+nerd · · Score: 2

      I have not used Koha either, but it has a reputation of being a very usable solution for libraries, large and small. It is FOSS, too (GPLv2).

      Koha originated in New Zealand, and the Maori word koha means "gift", in line with FOSS. Liblime is a US company which offers service and support for Koha.

    4. Re:Koha? by rootchick · · Score: 2

      Actually, if you don't mind running a vm, my cohort Kyle has created a Koha virtual appliance available here: http://millruntech.com/koha/koha-virtual-appliances You can also set up Koha with self checkout. And I have to say I think your statement about Koha people is inaccurate. Just have a look at the very active mailing list archives to see otherwise. Occasionally you may have that but overall Koha folks are very willing to help.

  5. 3M SelfCheck Systems by kassah · · Score: 2

    3M SelfCheck System (BCS-Series) is what I've seen some libraries use. May not fit your situation cost wise, and definitally isn't FOSS.

  6. Can anyone set up a lending library? by montyzooooma · · Score: 2

    I ask because the public library services pays a yearly fee and the small print in most books prohibits lending without permission. Just throwing that out there. I'd say go for it, but I lack moral guidance.

    1. Re:Can anyone set up a lending library? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      It depends where your library lives. Some countries have royalty fee Public Lending Right programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Lending_Right

      Others don't.

      Big Media suing Small Church isn't exactly good PR. Especially since all the stuff in a church library is mostly His Words. But Big Media has a big enough Ego to sue God.

      Big Media doesn't like books, because they can be transferred too easily without proper DRM tracking. Which is why books will be made illegal. Fire Departments will soon be tasked with burning them safely. Books will be classified, transcribed, and stored in one of the major corporate computer banks.

      Maybe I could write a story (not a book!) about this . . .

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  7. Re:Go completely digital! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

    I've noticed that the copyright holders of religious material are some of the most zealous about demanding their royalties, even to the point of performance rights for hymns, etc.

    They would definitely not like this.

  8. Evergreen by Georgia Public Libraries by C0L0PH0N · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "Evergreen" library system is free and open source, and was initiated by the Georgia Public Library System in 2006, and is currently in use by over 850 libraries, including a "parish" library. You can check it out here: http://open-ils.org/about.php. The site also has a link to a showcase of libraries already running, and on the Internet. The "client" runs on Windows, Mac or Linux. I think the server runs on Linux.

    1. Re:Evergreen by Georgia Public Libraries by migla · · Score: 5, Informative

      I noticed that the FAQ about Evergreen states the following:

      "Evergreen was designed from the ground up to meet the needs of a very large (more than 270-member) library lending consortium whose members collaborate but are not in lockstep on policies. Evergreen needed to be able to handle large indexing and transaction loads while supporting highly-configurable policies for each member library. "

      Also the above mentioned KOHA seems to flaunt very complex features (not that these two would then necessarily be complicated or overkill).

      Openbiblio, claims to be targeted at smaller libraries.
      http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/

      I don't know anything about any of these, but maybe worth a look.

      From the main site, it doesn't look like much is happening, but a post in the dev part of the forums indicates a new version is being worked on.

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  9. librarything.com by ScottyKUtah · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I set up an account with Librarything.com, and we're going through the process of adding all of the books to the website.

    The main advantage of this is that anybody can browse the library's collection anytime they want. On Sunday mornings they flash the URL up on the stage.

    We're still using the paper checkout process though. The old ladies that run the library are 80+ years old, and are former librarians back when Eisenhower was in office. I figure one tech upgrade at a time is all they can handle.

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  10. Tellico by water-and-sewer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why not use something as simple as possible? Keep the card system in place, and track it all using a collection manager like Tellico. I use Tellico for my personal library, which is probably about the size of the library you're managing. I'd say keep the card system in place - you're never going to get people to fill out online forms etc. And then use Tellico to answer the questions "What have I got?," "What's been checked out?" and "to Whom?" Seems like that's all you need at this stage.

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  11. Re:Go completely digital! by migla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would scanning and ebooks make Jesus cry?

    Isn't he the guy who copied all that fish and bread and distributed it for free to all those hungry people?

    That's kind of like we now copy and distribute knowledge, information and culture for free to people starved to learn and enjoy culture?

    I imagine the bakers and the fishers industry associations of judea (BIAJ and FIAJ, respectively) were real pissed back then .

    If we can give knowledge, information and culture to people for free, we obviously should, just as we should copy the fishes and the bread to feed the hungry if we had the power.

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  12. Re:Go completely digital! by fractoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    You wouldn't download a wine cask.

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  13. Wikipedia has an article by xof · · Score: 2
  14. Small? Checkout based on trust? Delicious Library. by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Informative

    If your library is small and you have no tracking what-so-ever installed, or only trust-based tracking, Delicious Library might be the right thing. It's a personal solution focussing on private collections, but it is very fun and easy to use, supports barcode scanning with simple webcams and retrieves its item/katalog data via the web by scraping amazon and other sources when adding items, so you'll save yourself the hassle of data entry.

    Even if you use a different solution in the end, the data retrieval system might be worth looking at, to save yourself data-entry headaches.

    My 2 cents.

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  15. Re:Go completely digital! by adamchou · · Score: 3, Funny

    speak for yourself. i would download a whole fucking winery if i could

  16. Not so - plus a suggestion by JeffTL · · Score: 2

    You're making several inaccurate presumptions. First, non-academic library users do come from all generations. Second, electronic systems are not more complicated than card catalogs from the user perspective -- most libraries find that general use of the library goes up when an electronic catalog is established, due to their making it easier to find materials. As for the topic at hand, if the group is familiar with library automation, I presume that some of them may also be familiar with cataloging enough to be able to make good use of something like Evergreen -- it scales down to small libraries quite well. Delicious Library sounds like a good idea but it can't handle MARC records like you can download from the Library of Congress for many books (or using the Z39.50 protocol, from many other institutions including research libraries), and I've found it to be rather weak on authority control. Evergreen and similar will allow for proper copy cataloguing from LC or other major libraries instead of just Amazon, which Delicious seems to use.

  17. library softare by vtcodger · · Score: 2

    My only experience with Library software was with Follett's package in a school library with about 8000 items. I do not recommend Follett. It runs fine and user complaints were minimal. As I recall, the database self destructed a couple of times, but reviving the DB was fairly straightforward. On the other hand installation and upgrade were unpleasant. The maintenance instructions verged on incomprehensible and one upgrade required rebuilding the entire data base -- a process that turned out to be appallingly slow. I had to wait for a vacation to do that. And from I'm told it is expensive. Fortunately, it didn't come out of my budget.

    On my last visit to our local library, the librarian -- who was not a fan of Follett either -- told me that they had just upgraded from Follett to an open source product of some sort thereby saving a bundle of money. She was quite enthused about the new software. I didn't have a lot of time, but I did look at the screens a user would encounter and they looked fine. It looks like the program they changed to is Koha. Here's a link to their catalog on line http://brownell.kohavt.org/

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  18. I think you need a librarian more than a system by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When a church -- or other small organization's -- library falls into disorder, it's usually because the little old lady, who served as the volunteer librarian since she was middle aged, has gone to her reward.

    Unfortunately, no amount of automation can make up for this. Your system -- no matter how advanced, primitive, simple or whatever -- really requires an owner. Without this, it will fall into disorder just as the previous one did and you'll be back to square one.

    If you can't find a new volunteer librarian, don't do it. You'll spend most of your time cataloging, and then entropy will take over.

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  19. Re:Go completely digital! by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Amen Winecask? If there isn't a tribute act by that name, there should be.

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  20. Re:Go completely digital! by gnapster · · Score: 2

    B-b-but, Elvis is alive!

  21. Re:As the tech guy at a church by waives · · Score: 2

    That is the most ridiculous description of Pascal's Wager I've ever heard.

  22. List of options with necessary complexity by Thomas+Dukleth · · Score: 2

    A proper library automation system can save considerable time on an ongoing basis and allow you to actually do what you describe with minimal overall effort.

    Such a system would have NISO Z39.50 protocol client support for downloading and working with machine readable cataloguing, MARC, records well catalogued at another library for copy cataloguing to populate the records of an automated library system. Downloading records over Z39.50 directly from most libraries with Z39.50 servers, including the Library of Congress, is free and does not generally involve copyright issues as cataloguing records are almost entirely mere collections of facts prepared according to cataloguing rules.

    Such a system would also have a degree of granular permissions to support automated self-checkout with a bar code scanner without also giving every user permission to erase the database. Self-checkout systems are often currently assumed to be RFID based, however, systems using a bar code scanner which are much cheaper to implement should be supported for self-checkout. The cheapest solution is to buy sheets of simple bar codes and obtain a used bar code scanner on Ebay. Using product bar codes already printed on material may have inconsistent encoding and non-unique numbers.

    Check the support and possible extra price for such features in any candidate system.

    1. Set Up Work.

    Real work is often required for anything worth having.

    Some minimal assistance from a professional librarian, who may be a member of your church or otherwise available in the community, would be invaluable help at least to start. Most library automation systems support configuration options designed for use by people who are not professional librarians but such support would not negate the great value of obtaining some minimal assistance of a professional librarian at the outset. Check the support for non-professional configuration.

    The complexity of setting up such software may entail either paying a library support company to set up the software; or at least a few days of time from someone sufficiently familiar with Unix administration willing to read the documentation and seek answers on the mailing lists to set up a free software library automation system without using a professional support company. Some set up complexity might be avoided by using an implementation hosted by a library support company but that would involve a long term support contract which could be avoided with sufficient initial set up effort.

    2. Lists of Library Automation Systems.

    There is no single source of library automation system options which is comprehensive and up to date.

    A library automation system is referred to as an integrated library system, ILS, in the US and a library management system, LMS, in many other English language countries.

    2.1. Library of Congress List.

    The Library of Congress maintains a list of automation systems which function with MARC records which includes some systems which are not comprehensive library automation systems, http://www.loc.gov/marc/marcsysvend.html .

    2.2. Library Technology Guides List.

    Library Technology Guides maintains a list of library automation system companies. Library automation companies. - http://www.librarytechnology.org/companies.pl . - In Library technology guides / maintained by Marshall Breeding. - http://www.librarytechnology.org/ .

    2.3. Library Journal Guide.

    Library Journal publishes an annual overview of the library automation system market. Automation Marketplace 2011 : The New Frontier / by Marshall Breeding. - In Library Journal. - April 1, 2011 - http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/889533-264/automation_marketplace_2011_the_new.html.csp .

    2.4.