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Researchers Create First Genetically Modified Monkeys

Several readers tipped news that U.S. scientists have created 'chimeric' monkeys, made with genetic material from as many as six different genomes (abstract). This is significant because it's the first time researchers have used the technique on a primate. From the article: "Researchers took very early stem cells, called totipotent stem cells, from separate developing embryos and basically glued them together, implanting the mixed embryos into surrogate mother monkeys. The cells — from totally different sources — didn’t fuse, but worked together in harmony, forming fully fledged, normal, healthy animals. ... The key here was the scientists’ use of totipotent cells, so named for their ability to differentiate into the totality of possible cells in an animal. A totipotent cell can give rise to a whole animal. Pluripotent stem cells, the type most frequently used in stem cell research, can differentiate into any cell in the body, but can’t become a whole animal, and can’t make other embryonic tissues like a placenta. Totipotent stem cells are only derived from the very earliest stages of a zygote, mere days after fertilization. In humans, totipotent cells differentiate into pluripotent cells after four days."

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  1. Totipotent first post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    All subsequent posts are pluripotent and require this fp to proceed.

  2. Sounds very Frankensteinish by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I assume since the immune system is trained up together, there aren't issues with tissue rejection? Since scientists have created a way to turn ordinary skin cells into pluripotent stem cells (via a viral gene therapy process), are there any plans to try to reach this totipotent stage as well?

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    1. Re:Sounds very Frankensteinish by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Informative

      Chimeras occur in nature and AFAIK there are no negative health effects so I don't think tissue rejection is an issue...

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    2. Re:Sounds very Frankensteinish by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

      GADDIKUH

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    3. Re:Sounds very Frankensteinish by shoehornjob · · Score: 2

      Researchers took very early stem cells, called totipotent stem cells, from separate developing embryos and basically glued them together, implanting the mixed embryos into surrogate mother monkeys. The cells â" from totally different sources â" didnâ(TM)t fuse, but worked together in harmony, forming fully fledged, normal, healthy animals.

      I suppose if the stem cells were fused it would be cross species but it's pretty clear they are seperate stem cells developing independant of eachother in the same womb.

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    4. Re:Sounds very Frankensteinish by Alphadecay27 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The word "chimera" means it is cross species; the chimeric monkey being a mosaic of varied monkey species cells.

      Your vast knowledge of greek literature (or alternately the AD&D monster manual) does not apply here. The term just means the animal has two distinct genetic pools.

      The original article specifies that: The chimeric monkeys were born after the researchers essentially glued cells from separate rhesus monkey embryos together. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-01/cp-wfc010412.php

  3. Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by yog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's set aside all religious and moral/ethical concerns and look at the practicalities. A chimp with near-human intelligence would be a tremendous asset to both the military and private economy. They are much stronger and faster than humans, so would be incredible soldiers. They can ALREADY use sign language to communicate with humans, so just imagine taking that a step further--being able to type or write messages, maybe able to mimic human spoken language.

    They would make great athletic coaches, especially for gymnastic training and the like. They would be good nannies and playmates for kids, and could defend the kids from nasty people even more effectively than could a dog.

    I guess that leads to the idea of chimeric dogs. Just imagine a dog smart enough to identify someone and testify against him in court. "Yes sir, that's the perpetrator. I can smell him a mile away."

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    1. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Consider first, everything that you've ever done in front of your dog, and then ask if you really want them being able to talk.

    2. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Funny

      Consider first, everything that you've ever done in front of your dog, and then ask if you really want them being able to talk.

      That goes two ways. I've seen my dogs do things they wouldn't want to be public knowledge.

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    3. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by ByOhTek · · Score: 2

      Yes, but if they surpass humanity in too many regards... Planet of the Apes... err... chimps.

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    4. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by ae1294 · · Score: 2
    5. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, Chimps are not great playmates nor nannies. If they get it into their head to attack, for many times unclear reasons, they instinctely follow a pattern of destruction of the enemy primates body. first they will gnaw off your child's fingers. Then they attack your precious little one's face by biting off parts. They then start to dismember, ripping off limbs.

      Chimps are unpredictable and extremely dangerous. Many people have been maimed or killed by their pet chimps.

    6. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by Tsingi · · Score: 2

      A chimp with near-human intelligence would be a tremendous asset to both the military and private economy. They are much stronger and faster than humans, so would be incredible soldiers.

      I guess it's time we all watch the Planet of the Apes movie again. Just for a refresher.

    7. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      They are much stronger and faster than humans, so would be incredible soldiers.

      I don't see them being worth the investment compared to a predator drone. What good would a chimp do in Iraq? Convince an informant to give up the location of an insurgent by pretending to smoke a cigar in a cute fashion? Throw poop at a IUD until it was deactivated?

    8. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Chimps are unpredictable and extremely dangerous. Many people have been maimed or killed by their pet chimps.

      Yeah, under no circumstances google any picture of Charla Nash.

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    9. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's set aside all religious and moral/ethical concerns and look at the practicalities.

      Now there's a worrying start to a conversation.

    10. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      197 out of 200 bonobo owners and their family members surveyed couldn't answer, as they were being penetrated in all their orifices by bonobos. The other three were busy spitting out bonobo semen.

    11. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Truman: Are you planning to make some kind of alien-human hybrid?
      Zoidberg: Are you coming onto me?
      Truman: Hot crackers, I take exception to that!
      Zoidberg: I'm not hearing a "no".

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    12. Re:Human-chimp hybrids coming soon? by hey! · · Score: 2

      A chimp with near-human intelligence

      .. would not be a chimp. Aside from that, *all* of your ideas are highly impractical. Their strength and aggressiveness would make them *terrible* soldiers, because they'd be impossible to control. A lot of what makes armies effective are things humans are uniquely good at, like working together and suppressing our instinctual reactions.

      As for athletic coaches, the most important thing in a coach is an understanding of individual and group human psychology.

      The idea of using super-chimps as nannies comes from watching too many Tarzan movies, which use cute baby chimps. Next to polar bears, adult chimps are probably the most dangerously aggressive animal in the zoo.

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  4. And so begins... by rsmith84 · · Score: 3, Funny

    the Rise of the Planet of the Apes!

    1. Re:And so begins... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      He can talk?
      He can talk!
      He can talk?!

      I can Sing!!!

      Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius,
      Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius,
      Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius,
      ohhh, Dr. Zaius.

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    2. Re:And so begins... by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      Beware the beast Man, for he is the devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust, or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death. -- The Sacred Scrolls

  5. Not genetically engineered? by Sockatume · · Score: 2

    It seems to me that the manipulation was entirely mechanical and chemical, and that no modification of the genetic content of the cells happened at all. Which actually makes it all the more striking a result.

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    1. Re:Not genetically engineered? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, it makes it less striking. Chimeras occur naturally when fraternal twin zygotes fuse at an early stage. The interesting result here isn't the production of the chimeras. There's no technical reason that we would want to create chimeras. The chimera is just proof that the stem cells they used were totipotent.

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    2. Re:Not genetically engineered? by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      I think it's interesting that genetically distinct cells will still properly coordinate for normal development, a striking example of the organisational abilities of the developmental process.

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    3. Re:Not genetically engineered? by glwtta · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no technical reason that we would want to create chimeras.

      Sure there is, most genetically engineered mouse models (for example) involve a chimeric step in their creation: stem cells with the desired modification are injected into 'donor' blastocysts and implanted into a host female, producing chimeras which are then bred for several generations to create homozygous offspring.

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  6. Finally he has done it! by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

    Behold! The six assed monkey!

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  7. Re:Damn you! Damn you all to hell! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who cares? I just want to know of any of them have four asses.

  8. Re:Different genders? by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mixed-gender chimeras happen in real life. In general it's not a huge problem for the organism. One part of the animal contains the sex organs, and those organs are appropriate for the genes in that part. The hormones are often wacky, of course. Yes, you can get hermaphrodites this way.

    You may be under the impression that a chimera is a homogenous mix of cells from different gene lines. Actually, the gene lines usually occur in 'clumps' throughout the organism. The right arm might be all one gene line, while the torso is another, and the left arm yet a third. The clump around the lower abdomen will determine which sex organs develop.

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  9. RIP Troy McClure & Lionel Hutz by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    The best and brightest of a generation cut down by Zoloft.

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  10. Re:Different genders? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    Depends how you define 'gender.' Do you want an organism that is genetically male but anatomically female, or vice versa? That's easily done, certainly in any species that uses the XY chromosome system like humans. If no scientist has done it yet, it is only because there is no reason to. One tiny little genetic change to disable the TDF gene and you get a genetically male female, or one tiny adjustment to hormone levels in utero for a genetically female male. Humans don't start to develop gender-specific features until well into the fetus stage - they all start developing as a female. That is why men have nipples.

  11. Re:Damn you! Damn you all to hell! by GigG · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on /. minions. Five whole minutes from the post of the story to the first post referencing Planet of the Apes. That is just sloppy.

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  12. Re:Different genders? by taiwanjohn · · Score: 2

    Well, TDF may be the only gene that determines gender, it's certainly not the only thing that determines how a fetus develops. The hormonal environment in the womb also has a huge effect, and seems to have a significant impact on sexual orientation as well as physiology. IANA biologist, but I suspect that the number of "natural" hermaphrodites resulting from chimeric mergers is vanishingly small.

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  13. GNU breed? by macraig · · Score: 2

    'Cause, ya know, if they're not open source it'll make rooting 'em to turn 'em into Android monkeys just that much harder.

  14. Science, morality and ethics by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2

    Let's set aside all religious and moral/ethical concerns and look at the practicalities.

    I can set aside religious concerns, but are you really proposing setting aside moral/ethical concerns? Would it be okay to create such a creature and have them fight our wars (whether for real or on the field)? One of the reasons people get concerned about technology and unbridled science is that all too often, moral/ethical concerns are left out of the discussion.

    For example, the technology to split an atom is, in and of itself, a neutral thing. Using the technology to provide a power source versus creating a weapon of mass destruction is a moral/ethical decision. Just like the Nazis couldn't get by saying "I was only following orders," scientists can't get by ignoring the moral/ethical considerations, either (of course I do realize that statement is a moral/ethical one).

    The moral/ethical implications of science and technology should not be left up to the scientist, but to society itself.