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Lawmakers Intent On Approving SOPA, PIPA

snydeq writes "U.S. Congress appears likely to move forward with SOPA and PIPA, despite widespread opposition, IDGNS reports. The U.S. Senate is expected to begin floor debate on PIPA shortly after senators return to D.C. on Jan. 23, and supporters appear to have the votes to override a threatened filibuster. Some opponents of the bills hold out hope: 'We're optimistic that if members really understood the Internet architecture and cybersecurity measures, they would not support SOPA as written. Instead, members who are really committed to combatting online piracy would look for effective ways to do that without compromising cybersecurity or the open architecture of the Internet,' said a CCIA spokesperson. Others remain doubtful that Congress will come to this understanding."

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  1. Freedom by ae1294 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are free to do as we tell you. Buy BUY BUY....

    1. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Was just on SOPAtrack.com yesterday and saw that Sen. Mark Kirk from IL got over $760,000 from pro-PIPA/SOPA interests. I'm gunna go out on a limb and guess I know which way he's going. Meanwhile, the other one is Dick Durbin, a bill co-sponsor.

      Illinois Sucks.

    2. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      lately, everything our "leaders" do sucks

    3. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, no, no. We won't buy. This legislation, which is so tilted against the interests of the vast majority of the populace, which imperils the functioning of the internet, will cause piracy to explode. Because this law will give pirates something they've never had until now. Moral sanction.

      More people will feel it is right to steal from Hollywood, than to buy from them. And that will seal their fate.

      It'll seal ours too, more's the pity, as our internet struggles to survive.

    4. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Congress understands the Internet just fine. They don't use it much, but seriously, they get it. The issue here is not ignorance or stupidity, but loyalty. They owe favors to powerful lobbies, and those favors include restrictive legislation that will pull the claws right off the Internet and return the technological landscape back to a state where specific old business models were extremely profitable.

      They understand the Internet, and they want to make it go away. For want of that ability, they want to make it so useless that it may as well be gone. They pay lip service to its importance because of its popularity, but since they don't rely upon it themselves they simply don't buy in.

      To modify a popular quote...don't attribute to ignorance that which obviously stems from malice.

    5. Re:Freedom by The+Snowman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Was just on SOPAtrack.com yesterday and saw that Sen. Mark Kirk from IL got over $760,000 from pro-PIPA/SOPA interests. I'm gunna go out on a limb and guess I know which way he's going.

      QFT. They don't understand SOPA, don't want to understand. What they do understand is someone is giving tons of money to pass a bill.

      Business as usual in Congress.

      What I would like to see happen is repealing all the extra copyright legislation such as the DMCA and not passing any more. Let the content producers use the existing system to sue copyright infringers. Our existing copyright law works. It has teeth. It just requires things such as "evidence" and "due process," which is an annoyance to Hollywood. However, I doubt this will ever happen.

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    6. Re:Freedom by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The situation with copyright isn't unique to that field. It is just an example of a law for which mass-enforcement is near-impossible: Violation occurs with such frequency that even with all the efforts of interests public and private it is impossible to prosecute more than a tiny proportion of even the obviously guilty. This is further compounded by how lightly the law is regarded by the public.

      In such a situation, there are a few options available:
      1. Give up. Dont' do anything, just don't bother enforcing the law, and it it fall into obscurity.
      2. Make it enforceable via draconian measures - get rid of the difficulties of fair trials and the need to gather evidence for the minor cases, and make the enforcement process as quick and cheap as possible. This does run the risk of punishing some innocent people, but that is the cost of catching all of the guilty.. That was the purpose of the DMCA: It wasn't practical to sue every site hosting a pirated file, so the DMCA allowed copyright holders to achieve much the same with nothing more than a quick email. SOPA takes the same approach a step further.
      3. Decriminalisation. If everyone is breaking a law, and the government can't stop them, then accept that perhaps the law itsself is at fault and needs to be abandoned - possibly to be replaced with something more workable.

      The currently popular approach with politicians around the world is option two.

    7. Re:Freedom by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, Belgium didn't have a government for about a year.

      Lucky bastards...

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    8. Re:Freedom by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, Belgium didn't have a government for about a year.

      Lucky bastards...

      Apparently, the rest of the world doesn't need one. Our beloved WWW is ruled by the World Senate in Washington D.C. (Department of Commerce).

      Just like we pay 5$ to MS for an Android device, covered by software patents that don't apply over here.

    9. Re:Freedom by dissy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most Americans are suffering fro such a horible case of Stockholm syndrome, that they will never wake up or believe you.

      You can see it perfectly here on /.
      It's frothing over in the summary and article!

      "If only I can change him, he wouldn't be such a bad person. I just need to get him to understand" while at the same time getting the crap beaten out of them daily.
      People refuse to look at the actions and still believe the words.

      Our government is very aware of the results of SOPA. This is their goal and plan.
      Making them "understand" is exactly like trying to convince the abusive husband to stop what he's convinced is the proper behavior for his entire life.

      You see it in the comments here as well, and arguing with such people is just as frustrating as trying to get your childhood female friend to leave the guy that beats her nightly but just won't leave because "Next time will be different"
      She will actively fight any help you try to give her, since your "help" goes contrary to what she wants to believe.

      So they put the blinders on and convince themselves that it's the government that doesn't understand the SOPA effects, and if only they can bring them around...

      The one and only goal of SOPA, is so they can point at any random website they wish, and be 100% assured that website is performing criminal activity, because they made sure ALL websites are performing criminal activity.
      SOPA never did and never will have squat to do with copyright or piracy or justice.

      To the parent poster: Thank you for existing! At least there are a tiny handful of us who aren't suffering from this Stockholm affliction, and even if we are less than 1% of the population, it gladdens me to see there are still at least a few left.

      It only pains me deeply to know what kind of country, and what type of people, we will be surrounded by and immersed in next month :{
      Just like how a lot of Chinese citizens fully support their governments censorship, and there are not enough left against it to be able to do anything about it. We are now in a similar situation.

    10. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ROFL? Really?

      Texas has some of the worst human-factors statistics in the western world.

      How about a comparison by states?

      Percentage of Uninsured Children
      1st
      Income Inequality Between the Rich and the Poor
      1st
      Percentage of Population without Health Insurance
      1st
      Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) Scores
      47th
      High School Graduation Rate:
      50th
      Home insurance Costs:
      1st
      Electricity Costs:
      3rd
      Teen Pregnancy Rate:
      4th
      Birth Rate:
      2nd
      Vaccination of children:
      49th
      Large City Homicide Rate (Houston):
      2nd
      Percentage of Population over 25 with a High School Diploma
      50th
      Percentage of Non-Elderly Women with Health Insurance
      50th
      Rate of Women Aged 40+ Who Receive Mammograms
      44th
      Rate of Women Aged 18+ Who Receive Pap Smears
      47th
      Cervical Cancer Rate
      5th
      Women's Voter Registration
      43rd
      Women's Voter Turnout
      49th
      Percentage of Eligible Voters that Vote
      44th

      Everything's bigger in Texas.

  2. Understanding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's pretty naïve to think that SOPA passing is an issue of understanding, as though lawmakers wouldn't consider it if they knew anything about technology.

    The vast majority or these people have already been bought and paid for by the entertainment industry. Their technological knowledge is irrelevant. They need to be removed from office, not educated.

  3. Re:Can't wait by click2005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd love to see Google de-list ALL SOPA/PIPA supporting organisations, even if its just for a day.
    Amazon could stop selling products from the same people.

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  4. Re:Can't wait by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes yes, protests are all fine, but where were Google when SOPA was being drafted?

    Getting slammed with anti-trust bullshit. Google is "the enemy" to a lot of people in Congress right now, because they're marching to the orders of the MAFIAA.

    Besides, Google's testimony was pretty much completely dismissed by the committee right to their face. They more or less said "I don't understand how this is going to negatively effect the internet nor do I care." They never had any intention of listening to a fucking word anyone said in opposition.

  5. Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by quasius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone written a good article on why this is so bad that non-geeks could understand? Something you could link non-technical friends to?

  6. It's time to take a historical approach... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Our founding fathers declared themselves an independent country and went to war over shit like this. No taxation without representation...are we truly represented in this government? The people? Of course not. It's time to stop trying to play their stupid game, the game is rigged against us from the start. It's time to start flipping boards...

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    Revolution is our birthright. The Bill of Rights grants all U.S. citizens the right of revolution by guaranteeing the freedoms that facilitate it, freedoms that our government has been trying to rein in with every passing year. Every branch of this government is corrupt. We have no representation in congress anymore. History has come full circle...

    Time to start looking to those 2nd Amendment solutions, boys and girls. Put your trust in God, but keep your powder dry. I never in a million years thought I would see this in my lifetime, but it seems that it is inevitable at this point.

  7. Re:Can't wait by mvar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Opponents of the bill include Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, DynDNS, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, the Wikimedia Foundation and human rights organizations such as Reporters Without Borders the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and Human Rights Watch.

    Forget for a moment mozilla, wikipedia or the other non-profit organizations - with all those companies (amazon, yahoo, facebook, google) opposing SOPA, isn't it very weird that this proposed law hasn't been canceled already? Does the MPAA/RIAA block have more lobby-power than all those companies combined?

  8. Re:One possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that if SOPA gets passed that it could have positive consequences.

    Yeah, like finally waking up a populace that's been asleep for many years. If this shit passes, the U.S.'s days are numbered. If you consider that a positive (and given the nature of our government, I absolutely fucking do) then that's probably about the only positive effect this shit is going to have.

    You''ve got to be kidding! If you think SOPA and PIPA are going to "wake up" the populace, you need to adjust your medication. The Patriot Act was *welcomed* by many Americans. If the Patriot Act wasn't enough to wake people up, they're out for the night, bud. Yes, it's sad.

  9. Re:One possibility by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am anticipating a lot of positive consequences from SOPA. More funding for Internet-based businesses, more income for hosting companies from international customers and more interest from foreign companies in selling their products here.

    I should probably mention that I don't live in the USA...

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  10. We are all screwed here's why by koan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Go to http://sopatrack.com/ and take a look at your state,
    Here's California
    Dianne Feinstein
            * $1,298,218 from big media
            * $796,581 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $244,700 from anti-PIPA groups
    Barbara Boxer
            * $2,522,816 from big media
            * $1,647,015 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $1,144,820 from anti-PIPA groups
    Here's New York
    Chuck Schumer
            * $1,465,160 from big media
            * $1,191,700 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $323,475 from anti-PIPA groups
    Kirsten Gillibrand
            * $747,991 from big media
            * $1,682,667 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $882,986 from anti-PIPA groups

    Oh yeah it's getting passed,

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  11. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by lexsird · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess it's really handy for them then that they can throw you in some hidden prison forever for just saying that now. By saying that, you could probably be considered by them, a "terrorist". It was no accident they passed that. Nor is it an accident that they plug their ears and want to establish as much control as possible over the Internet or even destroy it by unleashing these thugs loose on it with the ability to destroy it.

    This is all about domination and control by the rulers of this country. They watched the Arab Spring and the riots in London and it has them scared. But they are dangerous when they are scared. They are now taking the steps they need to take to preserve their way of life and control over us all. This is no accident, they aren't playing dumb, they are doing as they are told to do by those who control them.

    Now here is where it gets interesting. What do we the people do about this? Absolutely nothing, is what we will do. Collectively, we are dumb, fat and happy. We will not for such a puny concept as "freedom" risk our comfortable lives. Sure there are a few disgruntled people, but this isn't 1776, and we aren't going to have a Revolution.

    Your lone gunman theory isn't going to work. They will simply just cover it up. They have proven themselves quite capable of controlling the media in this country. The Internet is the only leak they need to plug, and this SOPA bullshit, is just the excuse they need to stick their foot in the door, and then turn off the mechanisms. Once they destroy the free flow of information, they survive. It's desperate, and destructive to humanity, but once you understand that this is indeed a war on us the people, versus those who wish to dominate us, you will understand that sacrificing the Internet means nothing to them.

    I will stop here before I end up in a cell next to you. It's a God damned sad day in America when I have to ponder what I am about to post because I fear I might end up in a prison with no rights, or ability to defend myself. Make no mistake, we have cross a line recently. It's official, we are the evil empire. We are the modern Nazis.

    What it boils down to is this, once laws become so far gone, twisted and evil, one has not only the moral right to ignore them, but they have the moral duty to resist them to the death. We are talking about pussy Americans though. We've let so much slide, that we have proven to be a collective bunch of dumb pussies. If our founding fathers could see us now, they would cut their own ball sacks off so that they didn't sire descendants this cowardly.

    Think about it, we have this "Tea Party", which is a laughing joke at the original Boston Tea Party. Our founding fathers did "terrorist" acts in Boston harbor on tea shipments because they had a tax on them. It was violence over Taxation without Representation, and it's our history of how we carved our freedoms out in blood from the British. Do you think we would get off our asses now over Taxation without Representation? We don't get off our asses when our Constitution is systematically shredded before our eyes.

    We are too dumb to see it happening, and even if we do see it, we are a big bunch of pussy cowards and just let it happen. To me this defines us as a people who are collectively a bunch of pussies. And I am not talking about violence, hell, I am talking about how half of us don't even FUCKING VOTE. You talked about the boxes, well damn it, why fuck with the last one, when the other 3 have hardly been touched? Do you seriously think you will have support on the 4th when these pussies will not even lift up a bleat with the other three?

    Just whine about it all at the kitchen table, forget the Internet, it's fucked. Go about your life, enjoy what comforts you have while you have them. You are in the Matrix and there is no escape.

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  12. Re:felonies en masse by dbet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the point. The government wants everyone to be felons. It gives them license to pick on whoever they want, any time they want. This is of course perfectly fine for most Americans who are so stupid as to think that selective enforcement will never apply to them. Everyone is in such denial about our government being evil, that they're happy to continue pretending that it's not. In less than 10 years we'll be in another war where we'll kill another 100,000 non-combatants and call it freedom.