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Lawmakers Intent On Approving SOPA, PIPA

snydeq writes "U.S. Congress appears likely to move forward with SOPA and PIPA, despite widespread opposition, IDGNS reports. The U.S. Senate is expected to begin floor debate on PIPA shortly after senators return to D.C. on Jan. 23, and supporters appear to have the votes to override a threatened filibuster. Some opponents of the bills hold out hope: 'We're optimistic that if members really understood the Internet architecture and cybersecurity measures, they would not support SOPA as written. Instead, members who are really committed to combatting online piracy would look for effective ways to do that without compromising cybersecurity or the open architecture of the Internet,' said a CCIA spokesperson. Others remain doubtful that Congress will come to this understanding."

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  1. Freedom by ae1294 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are free to do as we tell you. Buy BUY BUY....

    1. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Was just on SOPAtrack.com yesterday and saw that Sen. Mark Kirk from IL got over $760,000 from pro-PIPA/SOPA interests. I'm gunna go out on a limb and guess I know which way he's going. Meanwhile, the other one is Dick Durbin, a bill co-sponsor.

      Illinois Sucks.

    2. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      lately, everything our "leaders" do sucks

    3. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, no, no. We won't buy. This legislation, which is so tilted against the interests of the vast majority of the populace, which imperils the functioning of the internet, will cause piracy to explode. Because this law will give pirates something they've never had until now. Moral sanction.

      More people will feel it is right to steal from Hollywood, than to buy from them. And that will seal their fate.

      It'll seal ours too, more's the pity, as our internet struggles to survive.

    4. Re:Freedom by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This legislation, which is so tilted against the interests of the vast majority of the populace

      I don't know how much more evidence it is going to take before people stop listening to the propaganda and start facing reality.

      They don't care.

      Representative government is a myth. It's a contradiction; there are rulers (those who govern) and there are subjects (those who are governed). Guess which one you are?

    5. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Congress understands the Internet just fine. They don't use it much, but seriously, they get it. The issue here is not ignorance or stupidity, but loyalty. They owe favors to powerful lobbies, and those favors include restrictive legislation that will pull the claws right off the Internet and return the technological landscape back to a state where specific old business models were extremely profitable.

      They understand the Internet, and they want to make it go away. For want of that ability, they want to make it so useless that it may as well be gone. They pay lip service to its importance because of its popularity, but since they don't rely upon it themselves they simply don't buy in.

      To modify a popular quote...don't attribute to ignorance that which obviously stems from malice.

    6. Re:Freedom by The+Snowman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Was just on SOPAtrack.com yesterday and saw that Sen. Mark Kirk from IL got over $760,000 from pro-PIPA/SOPA interests. I'm gunna go out on a limb and guess I know which way he's going.

      QFT. They don't understand SOPA, don't want to understand. What they do understand is someone is giving tons of money to pass a bill.

      Business as usual in Congress.

      What I would like to see happen is repealing all the extra copyright legislation such as the DMCA and not passing any more. Let the content producers use the existing system to sue copyright infringers. Our existing copyright law works. It has teeth. It just requires things such as "evidence" and "due process," which is an annoyance to Hollywood. However, I doubt this will ever happen.

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    7. Re:Freedom by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Funny

      A non-voting felon?

    8. Re:Freedom by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The situation with copyright isn't unique to that field. It is just an example of a law for which mass-enforcement is near-impossible: Violation occurs with such frequency that even with all the efforts of interests public and private it is impossible to prosecute more than a tiny proportion of even the obviously guilty. This is further compounded by how lightly the law is regarded by the public.

      In such a situation, there are a few options available:
      1. Give up. Dont' do anything, just don't bother enforcing the law, and it it fall into obscurity.
      2. Make it enforceable via draconian measures - get rid of the difficulties of fair trials and the need to gather evidence for the minor cases, and make the enforcement process as quick and cheap as possible. This does run the risk of punishing some innocent people, but that is the cost of catching all of the guilty.. That was the purpose of the DMCA: It wasn't practical to sue every site hosting a pirated file, so the DMCA allowed copyright holders to achieve much the same with nothing more than a quick email. SOPA takes the same approach a step further.
      3. Decriminalisation. If everyone is breaking a law, and the government can't stop them, then accept that perhaps the law itsself is at fault and needs to be abandoned - possibly to be replaced with something more workable.

      The currently popular approach with politicians around the world is option two.

    9. Re:Freedom by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, Belgium didn't have a government for about a year.

      Lucky bastards...

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    10. Re:Freedom by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, Belgium didn't have a government for about a year.

      Lucky bastards...

      Apparently, the rest of the world doesn't need one. Our beloved WWW is ruled by the World Senate in Washington D.C. (Department of Commerce).

      Just like we pay 5$ to MS for an Android device, covered by software patents that don't apply over here.

    11. Re:Freedom by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, the internet is right the opposite of what they'd probably want: A medium where anyone, anywhere, anytime can publish his information to anyone, anywhere, anytime. This is anathema to governments. By definition.

      Government, also the US government, suffered blows from free press. More than one government tripped and fell over the opinion generated by the press. It's not coincidentally called the "fourth power" in a country.

      Press now can be brought under control by various means. That doesn't apply to fully independent bloggers and self proclaimed reporters who do it for various, non-profit reasons. They're not dependent on money from government or corporations, and sometimes not even subject to the country's legislation they write about.

      That is of course a threat to any government.

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    12. Re:Freedom by gstrickler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In Texas, the legislature only meets ever other year. The less often the legislature is in session, the better is it for the people.

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    13. Re:Freedom by cforciea · · Score: 3, Funny

      What, you think what we have here in Texas is good?

    14. Re:Freedom by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are so many laws now that everybody is a felon.

    15. Re:Freedom by gstrickler · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's better than most of the country, and the world.

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    16. Re:Freedom by dissy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most Americans are suffering fro such a horible case of Stockholm syndrome, that they will never wake up or believe you.

      You can see it perfectly here on /.
      It's frothing over in the summary and article!

      "If only I can change him, he wouldn't be such a bad person. I just need to get him to understand" while at the same time getting the crap beaten out of them daily.
      People refuse to look at the actions and still believe the words.

      Our government is very aware of the results of SOPA. This is their goal and plan.
      Making them "understand" is exactly like trying to convince the abusive husband to stop what he's convinced is the proper behavior for his entire life.

      You see it in the comments here as well, and arguing with such people is just as frustrating as trying to get your childhood female friend to leave the guy that beats her nightly but just won't leave because "Next time will be different"
      She will actively fight any help you try to give her, since your "help" goes contrary to what she wants to believe.

      So they put the blinders on and convince themselves that it's the government that doesn't understand the SOPA effects, and if only they can bring them around...

      The one and only goal of SOPA, is so they can point at any random website they wish, and be 100% assured that website is performing criminal activity, because they made sure ALL websites are performing criminal activity.
      SOPA never did and never will have squat to do with copyright or piracy or justice.

      To the parent poster: Thank you for existing! At least there are a tiny handful of us who aren't suffering from this Stockholm affliction, and even if we are less than 1% of the population, it gladdens me to see there are still at least a few left.

      It only pains me deeply to know what kind of country, and what type of people, we will be surrounded by and immersed in next month :{
      Just like how a lot of Chinese citizens fully support their governments censorship, and there are not enough left against it to be able to do anything about it. We are now in a similar situation.

    17. Re:Freedom by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You cannot make the old model profitable. You cannot get the geany back in the bottle.

      You most certainly can stuff the geany [sic] back in the bottle. Have you noticed how, over the past few years, most people have switched to using web apps instead of desktop software? Have you noticed how demands for faster Internet connections coupled with FCC regulations and court decisions have allowed a small group of ISPs to become critical to the workings of the Internet? All it will take is the right legislation to turn the Internet into a massive cable TV system, where decisions about what is or is not allowed on the network are made in board rooms by small groups of powerful executives.

      The turning point was when people became scared of P2P distribution systems. If networks like Gnutella had been better developed, things would be different -- congress would have to literally destroy the Internet to return the power to the old media executives. Instead, we have a reliance on easy-to-regulate centralized systems, and the media companies only need to conquer or destroy those systems to reclaim their power. The legislation that follows SOPA will be designed to help those companies run the services that people depend on, so that consumers can go back to being consumers and stop trying to become part of the distribution system.

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    18. Re:Freedom by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that that specialization went from governance to cronyism, and none of us know how to stop it. Well, not peaceably, anyway.

      Nothing attracts amoral sociopaths more than centralized, concentrated political power. As long as those types of people exist they will always be drawn towards politics.

    19. Re:Freedom by Jawnn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dear gawd, by what metric could possibly arrive at that conclusion? Texas is, for the most part, socially and politically backwards, to say the least. It's largest cities are filthy and crime-ridden. It's government has tried, repeatedly, to advance their backwards notions on the state's school children. It is an embarrassment to the rest of the nation, enough so that one wishes it actually would secede, as it's latest idiot governor has suggested.

    20. Re:Freedom by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Our beloved WWW is ruled by the World Senate in Washington D.C."
      And it's worse than that now. Once thees bills pass the government will have handed over the reigns to the mega media thugs and content providers. No government, No judges, No Due process. No recourse. No Freedom

    21. Re:Freedom by some1001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your ignorance is astounding. Plus, I like how you attack Texas about education, yet you seem to lack understanding of when to use "it's" and "its." Attacking other states about their education places you on the high ground; when you can't even use simple English right, that high ground just doesn't look so high anymore, ya?

      On the subject, Texas is doing fine for itself. Outside of some crazy conservatives and the oppressive summers, it's a good state with a lot of good non-unionized work to be found. Dirty cities? Crime ridden? Have you seen LA? Oakland? Every single city has its good parts and bad parts. You cannot generalize a state by a few square miles in huge cities. Seriously, it just doesn't even make sense.

      I could rant about typical Northerners with their undying disgust of the South or their prevalent smugness, but it just isn't worth it. You know why? We are all Americans. Keep that in mind next time you bash some part of the country you know so little about.

    22. Re:Freedom by bipbop · · Score: 2

      Don't forget all your privatized prisons. What a wonderful place to live!

    23. Re:Freedom by The+Snowman · · Score: 2

      They don't understand SOPA, don't want to understand.

      I'm trying really hard here not to insult you, but again and again I am SHOCKED people can honestly think and say this!!!

      Seriously? You are shocked that I believe a group of businessmen and lawyers do not understand technology and are motivated by the campaign contributions from the people pushing SOPA?

      The government is literally PUNCHING YOU IN THE FACE, while saying they LOVE you.

      I agree. The real problem here is the public, as a whole, either believes the lies, or sees they are lies but they can't do anything about it.

      How many times do you need punched in the face before you start listening to their actions and not their words?!?!

      It only took one or two times when I was younger. I have been bitter about the U.S. government for a long time.

      Please for the love of $diet-y, WAKE UP

      I am awake and I see the situation with great clarity. People who make laws are beholden to money, not true representation of their constituents. If Hollywood decided copyright was not necessary and lobbied for more relaxed IP laws, you can bet your ass that Congress would follow the money and legislate accordingly.

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    24. Re:Freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ROFL? Really?

      Texas has some of the worst human-factors statistics in the western world.

      How about a comparison by states?

      Percentage of Uninsured Children
      1st
      Income Inequality Between the Rich and the Poor
      1st
      Percentage of Population without Health Insurance
      1st
      Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) Scores
      47th
      High School Graduation Rate:
      50th
      Home insurance Costs:
      1st
      Electricity Costs:
      3rd
      Teen Pregnancy Rate:
      4th
      Birth Rate:
      2nd
      Vaccination of children:
      49th
      Large City Homicide Rate (Houston):
      2nd
      Percentage of Population over 25 with a High School Diploma
      50th
      Percentage of Non-Elderly Women with Health Insurance
      50th
      Rate of Women Aged 40+ Who Receive Mammograms
      44th
      Rate of Women Aged 18+ Who Receive Pap Smears
      47th
      Cervical Cancer Rate
      5th
      Women's Voter Registration
      43rd
      Women's Voter Turnout
      49th
      Percentage of Eligible Voters that Vote
      44th

      Everything's bigger in Texas.

    25. Re:Freedom by The+Snowman · · Score: 2

      It isn't allowed. What actually happens is that donations are given to the campaign fund, while lobbyists tell legislators what positions they want them to take (and why). The lawmakers know who's propounding what, and who's given them money, and make a connection - all without an act of explicit bribery having taken place.

      Don't forget that except in the most egregious cases, Congress is in charge of enforcing these laws against Congressmen. The FBI will get involved if they commit a crime against someone else, e.g. assault or murder, but routine issues such as bribery require investigation by the same group of people accepting bribes.

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    26. Re:Freedom by The+Snowman · · Score: 2

      I'm amazed America allows this blatant corruption.

      The TV does not call it corruption, so the vast majority of my countrymen do not think it is corruption.

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    27. Re:Freedom by click2005 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You forgot patent trolls.

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  2. Can't wait by alphatel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Internet blackout day is sure to be a historical event for all ages.

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    1. Re:Can't wait by DCTech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I doubt Google is going to do it, it would cost them too much money.

    2. Re:Can't wait by Nimatek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      SOPA would cost them so much more than that..

    3. Re:Can't wait by click2005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd love to see Google de-list ALL SOPA/PIPA supporting organisations, even if its just for a day.
      Amazon could stop selling products from the same people.

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    4. Re:Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes yes, protests are all fine, but where were Google when SOPA was being drafted? The technology companies are larger than the media companies. Where's their presence in Washington, precisely?

    5. Re:Can't wait by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes yes, protests are all fine, but where were Google when SOPA was being drafted?

      Getting slammed with anti-trust bullshit. Google is "the enemy" to a lot of people in Congress right now, because they're marching to the orders of the MAFIAA.

      Besides, Google's testimony was pretty much completely dismissed by the committee right to their face. They more or less said "I don't understand how this is going to negatively effect the internet nor do I care." They never had any intention of listening to a fucking word anyone said in opposition.

    6. Re:Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Committee meetings? Think about this for a second: how do you think SOPA ever even got to the floor in the first place? Because lobbyists from the media companies said "We want this to happen". Where were the technology companies (including, but not limited too, Google) when this was happening? The companies who oppose legislation like SOPA weren't there to say "We DON'T want this to happen", because they're all non-entities in Washington. They're not organised, and they don't lobby. Until they do, legislation will continue to be lopsided in favour of the companies who are lobbying.

    7. Re:Can't wait by adamchou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      just for a day? they should do it permanently. what does google have to gain from listing them? listing them will only drive more revenue to those sponsors which will just increase the amount of money those supporters will use to drive forward legislative acts that take away our rights

    8. Re:Can't wait by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It cost them a ton of money to pull out of China but they did it. Google has a mouth and the balls to back it up. China, FCC spectrum, Chrome. They do put their money where their mouth is.

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    9. Re:Can't wait by mvar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Opponents of the bill include Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, DynDNS, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, the Wikimedia Foundation and human rights organizations such as Reporters Without Borders the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and Human Rights Watch.

      Forget for a moment mozilla, wikipedia or the other non-profit organizations - with all those companies (amazon, yahoo, facebook, google) opposing SOPA, isn't it very weird that this proposed law hasn't been canceled already? Does the MPAA/RIAA block have more lobby-power than all those companies combined?

    10. Re:Can't wait by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      calling google for 'defense' is a joke, too.

      they are not your friends. they have their OWN agenda. if this affects their dear doubleclick, they get annoyed! they don't care one whit about you or your so-called freedom. the only freedom they want is to keep owning the internet, bit by bit. (have you seen all the outbound connects that go to google domains when you do almost ANYTHING non-goog based? I have. google is, sadly, in everyone's pie, these days).

      I don't trust the gov as they have hidden agendas.

      likewise, you'd be foolish to trust the mega corp google, as the same explanation applies. they are not good guys, they are a mega corp with its own needs and wants.

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    11. Re:Can't wait by click2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, because its about making a point. If Google starts to delist thing just because they disagree with something then where will it end.
      Should they delist Apple because they're a competitor who condones slave labour in China?
      Should they delist religions because they are evil, offensive and promote hatred?

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    12. Re:Can't wait by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd love to see Google de-list ALL SOPA/PIPA supporting organisations, even if its just for a day.

      Which will immediately followed by: BREAKING NEWS, Google Declared a Monopoly, Justice Department promises "steep fines"...

      The government isn't going to sit idly by and let Google exact their influence if it diminishes their own. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that would qualify as a "terrorist act". $10 says that, if this actually occurs, our lawmakers refer to it as a "digital 9/11". I know they'll work the 9/11 rhetoric in there somewhere...

    13. Re:Can't wait by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      If the page shifted to a sorted list of MPAA/RIAA donations to senators and a bulleted list of negative outcomes of this bill, people might take notice at how blatant the bribery is. At the very least, it might scare a few senators with the prospect that they might not get re-elected.

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    14. Re:Can't wait by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Informative

      Does the MPAA/RIAA block have more lobby-power than all those companies combined?

      Yes, the MAFIAA has been throwing dump trucks of money at our representatives since their inception. That's why there is so much bipartisan support for this bill; they buy off both sides equally...

    15. Re:Can't wait by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do you suggest, then? I mean, short of armed rebellion?

      I don't want to go to some megacorporations for help, either, but unfortunately, there is no other legal option. Our representatives have already told the few experts they even allowed to testify that they don't care what they say. What the fuck makes you think they give a shit about anything we say or do?

      We don't have a voice in this fight. There are multiple petitions about this on Whitehouse.gov, the congressional switchboards have been blowing up, millions of emails have been sent to pretty much every representative, and has anything changed at all? NOPE.

      So what option do we have? Do we just sit here and definitely get fucked tomorrow, or do we support Google and potentially get fucked later on? Either way we're getting fucked, no? Seems to me, then, that the best course of action is to focus on stopping the imminent fucking; we can worry about the potential fucking once SOPA and PIPA is out of the way...

    16. Re:Can't wait by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does the MPAA/RIAA block have more lobby-power than all those companies combined?

      Yes, the MAFIAA gives more campaign money than the tech companies, but that's not all. There is another huge factor at work.

      Once SOPA passes, precedent will have been set for censoring the Internet. With the MAFIAA taking most of the heat for the censorship wrap, the politicians can pass the bill under the guise of not understanding how the Internet works. Then, a year or two from now, they pass the law that lets them do the same for terr'rists. Actually, correction, they attach an amendment of the PATRIOT act to the defense budget bill, and they do it in the panic'd last minutes to avert a budget shutdown (that they fabricated). It will happen on a Friday, or the Thursday before a holiday weekend, to give the public he whole weekend to forget.

      Only thing I might be wrong about is the "year or two" part. Things have been moving faster and faster -- might happen before Summer's out.

  3. Understanding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's pretty naïve to think that SOPA passing is an issue of understanding, as though lawmakers wouldn't consider it if they knew anything about technology.

    The vast majority or these people have already been bought and paid for by the entertainment industry. Their technological knowledge is irrelevant. They need to be removed from office, not educated.

  4. business can use stuff like this to stop competito by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    competitors with little proof.

    Hell apple and MS can both file claims and shut down each other web sites.

  5. Yay! by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good! I have a thing for legislation with pronounceable acronyms. In fact, that's really the only important part. I'm sure many legislators would agree.

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  6. Coming soon... by mark-t · · Score: 3, Informative

    Soon, I expect it will be illegal for any private individual to utilize the services of a foreign DNS. Blocking by IP address will probably start happening. Owing to the lack of availability of IPv4 address space, the practicality of places using different IP's to continue to allow connectivity will be impeded, so IP address blocking may enjoy limited success. Incentives for IPv6, where there is no lack of address space, will start to quickly rise among the pirate communities to get around this limitation, but I expect this will likely be perceived as a measure that is created to bypass SOPA, and so new laws will probably be formed that will limit IPv6's overall adoption rate.

    I hope I'm wrong. I just have a really awful feeling I'm not.

  7. Time for tactical action? by davidbrit2 · · Score: 2

    Put up a site outing the names of every lawmaker that ever votes in favor of such a bill, and allow visitors to sign a petition pledging to vote against anybody that does so. Show the count on the site, and forward a list of those who signed to said lawmakers a week before any major vote on the issue. That should make them sweat.

    1. Re:Time for tactical action? by ae1294 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Put up a site outing the names of every lawmaker that ever votes in favor of such a bill, and allow visitors to sign a petition pledging to vote against anybody that does so. Show the count on the site, and forward a list of those who signed to said lawmakers a week before any major vote on the issue. That should make them sweat.

      Really no reason for the site to be real. They won't know. Problem is they don't care. They leave congress and get a nice job handed to them along with a kilo of blow and three underage hookers.

    2. Re:Time for tactical action? by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Not all of them.... With the number of Silicon Valley voters screaming about SOPA/PIPA, Feinstein had best reconsider her support. I'm pretty sure she's not gonna get reelected if she doesn't. In fact, according to recent polls, more people in California favor throwing her out of Congress than reelecting her. This is in California, where they haven't elected a Republican to the U.S. Senate since the 1960s.

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    3. Re:Time for tactical action? by shentino · · Score: 2

      quite right.

      Once they're in office they're untouchable, so they have no incentive to give a shit about their voters. In the rare cases that the voters won't stay pissed long enough to do anything about it come election time, the few surviving ragers will be placated when the cheat sheat of the dirty dozen gets conveniently nuked by SOPA.

      SOPA will not only stamp out piracy, but it will solidify the lobbyist's grip on their congress critters. After the stunt UMG pulled on mega upload's youtube video I have no doubt that political oppression won't be out of the question.

  8. Re:business can use stuff like this to stop compet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gee, if someone wrote a program to automatically submit a claim against a site, and someone else wrote an extension to use that program to submit a claim against every single internet site on the planet, and many many people used it all at the same time, I wonder what would happen?

  9. Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by quasius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone written a good article on why this is so bad that non-geeks could understand? Something you could link non-technical friends to?

    1. Re:Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about the simplest explanation possible: this is what the authoritarian governments of China and Iran do, and they have been heavily criticized by the very hypocrites who are voting for this law. Why mire people down with technical issues when we can take the direct approach that reminds them that their elected representatives are corrupt, two-faced, and failing to represent their interests?

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    2. Re:Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by quasius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not good enough. People don't give a shit about high-minded ideals like "freedom." Also, China and Iran are evil because they are evil- when we do similar things it's because of good and stopping terrorism or something. What is the one-liner that tells non-geeks why it's bad *for them* and will disrupt *their* lives?

    3. Re:Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by illumastorm · · Score: 2

      SOPA will kill free pron!

    4. Re:Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Informative

      These infographics might be the most succint and direct explanations of why SOPA is bad.

    5. Re:Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by Vintowin · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. That's exactly what SOPA is intended for. It's the first step on the way to giving the government/corporations the ability to stifle dissent. A simple claim of "His site has links to pirated material, your honor" and a pile of 100's and lo and behold, here's your order to pull the site and seize the domain. NO EVIDENCE NEEDED. That's the scary thing about this. How many judges out there do you think are going to actually check it out before rubber stamping it.

    6. Re:Good "Why SOPA is bad for non-geeks" article? by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "What sites are at the greatest risk? Sites where people are expressing themselves...." That's why it has bipartisan support. Congress hates that. Normal people will oppose it, but anyone powerful enough to keep themselves in power through censorship will take full advantage of that power.

      That is the main reason I am opposed to it, the inevitable abuse of power that seems to follow from every seemingly innocent government power grab.

  10. dangerous because it will be used at the fringes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whoever votes for this, their ISPs should disconnect their household from the internet entirely.

    Some people on slashdot are saying things like, "this could end up disconnecting youtube!" But that's just the problem: it won't. Youtube is huge, everyone knows about it, nobody is going to want to cut it off. And that's where the problem lies: this legislation will be used only against less popular sites on the fringes and the margins - things the average DWTS watching idiot doesn't care about. So there will never be significant public support against it. THAT is why it's dangerous.

  11. Re:business can use stuff like this to stop compet by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nothing, because this bill isn't designed to help little people, it's designed to allow major corporations stamp out the little people and own the net.

    I doubt that the reports are even going to be looked at unless they come from a lobbyist...us little people don't count for shit.

  12. Agreed by Brain-Fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Education, and logical argument based on the realities of the technology, won't make our representatives budge. The only way to get them to change their position is to apply real political force. That means forming lobbies and throwing actual money at the problem, just like the large corporations do. It also means getting enough people ready and willing to vote for candidates who will actually represent them.

    Of course, producing that level of political force requires a huge amount of cooperation (and hence understanding) from the governed. *THAT* is hard to do. Most American people, even the ones who vote and consider themselves politically involved, don't understand these issues well enough to self-organize properly. That is why the wealthy corporations (which for all practical purposes are already well-organized political armies with a handful of people calling the shots) have such an easy time of pushing the rest of us around.

    THEY aren't the ones who don't understand. We are.

  13. Racketeering shakedown by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government is shaking down the Internet related businesses, and that's what these laws are aimed at I think. The politicians are looking at Google, Yahoo, Amazon, etc., and asking themselves a question: WHAT THE FUCK? Why aren't these putzes paying us the racket money like the rest of them? Of-course those businesses are also paying something that has to do with taxes, but there is so much money there (and everybody knows about it), that the politicians want more than just tax optimization/evasion money, they want REAL money, they want - "hey, you have a nice business going here, it would be a shame if something was to happen to your entire business model and you were shut down" money.

    That, and also of-course they want the RIAA and MPAA money and they want ISP money and they want your money and they want to be able to shut down the Internet because it's scaring them - just look at the way Ron Paul support grew because of the Internet.

    So you have too much freedom - and that's what politicians want to take away and I had a long discussion about the fact that every single law that politicians push forward ends up reducing your freedoms and increases 'strength' of the government while weakening the individual liberties and the economy and the society of the nation, and even on this site people don't see this.

  14. Technical solutions? by Felix+Da+Rat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm doing what I can on the social front (emailing and calling), but if (when) this does pass, what is the best way to route around the damage on a personal level?

    We got a large number of suggestions for alternate providers with the GoDaddy debacle; can we get some suggestions of good international VPN / Proxy providers? Alternate suggestions for dealing with this?

  15. Oh, don't worry, they understood by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    If I vote for it, I get a kickback, if I vote against it, I get squat.

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  16. Who does this help? Not many I can tell. by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm quite confused about who this serves.

    Usually, moves like these are pushed as in the interests of large corporate interests - but as far as I can understand the only company interests this will actually serve will be law firms and a few confused entertainment groups that don't mind acting like public villains to punish their potential customers.

    The whole thing just looks like a big legal clusterfuck - where everyone demands everyone else pull everything from the internet. The net effect will just be a huge drain on the economy, as even more resources are spent on useless legal back-and-forths, and everyone gets even more nervous before being able to accomplish something businesswise in the world.

    The net effect should mostly be to deepen the recession, force more consolidation with a smaller pool of useful resources for everyone, and push more business out of the US.

    It just doesn't make sense - why would any lawmaker be interested in lowering the economic tides for everyone, further stalling a huge and important part of our economic recovery just for the sake of a very small number of companies without much actual money?

    From a moral perspective it makes no sense - which is what I usually expect - but even from a sociopathic perspective of gathering resources at all costs, it makes no sense.

    Ryan Fenton

  17. Re:Terrorists by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Umm... two wars including war crimes, ignoring the Den Hague court, Guantanamo and you needed THAT to come to that conclusion?

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  18. Here's What Needs To Happen. by smpoole7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of you won't like this, but I hope you'll at least give this a hard consideration. The bottom line is that it's our fault.

    For example, I know from the comments here over the years that some of you are complete partisans. I'm surprised that, even this early in this thread, we haven't already seen "It's the Evil Republicans(tm)," followed by, "no, it's the stupid Democrats," complete with scores that go up and down like a VU meter on a rap tune: troll, insightful, back to troll, then insightful, over and over, as each partisan group lashes out.

    BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT AND HAVE SOLD YOU OUT. This doesn't mean there aren't a few honest congresscritters running loose. But folks, there's a REASON why, during the primaries, candidates can call each other every name in the book, but once a nominee is selected, all of the losers magically say, "well, of course I'll support him/her! He/She is a fine person!"

    It's all about the money and the power: Chairmanships in Congress, lucrative appointments, voting blocks and power brokers. This plays out every two years, and the best we can do is scream, "less filling/tastes great/less filling/tastes great," Dem vs. Repub over and over.

    Here's the example that some of you really, really aren't going to like. I know (again, from reading comments) that there are some of you here who supported the Health Care bill, but who are vehemently opposed to SOPA. (For the record, I am in opposition to BOTH.) You can't have it both ways. Every reputable poll ever taken has shown that the American people were strongly opposed to that HealthCare bill, but there were some of you here who said, "yay!" when it passed. You called those who passed it, even knowing that they might be un-elected, "brave heroes."

    (Or, a quick conservative example: Scott Brown wins Ted Kennedy's old seat in Mass, and right wingers rejoiced. A few months later, he voted for a treaty that the right wing hated. They attacked Brown and wondered why he had "betrayed" them. What they should have asked was, "what do the people of Massachusetts want?" If he was reflecting their desires, they need to SHUT UP. He represents THEM, not a party or an ideology.)

    So, SOPA. If you can convince enough Congresscritters that enough of US care to un-elect them if they vote for it, it can be stopped. But if they (and more importantly, their strategists) convince themselves that they can finesse it, or find some other issue that will cause you to hold your nose and re-elect them, they'll vote for SOPA.

    In plain English: some of you who hate the "Repugs" may have to vote for one in November, if your Dem congressman votes for SOPA. Will you do that?

    Likewise, my conservative friends: will you vote for a "Demoncrat" if your beloved Repub congresscreature votes for SOPA?

    If the answer to either question is, "no" (or even just a little hesitation), you have only yourself to blame. That's the bottom line.

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    1. Re:Here's What Needs To Happen. by alphatel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Health Care was created to give everyone access to something they couldn't afford. SOPA is created to give corporations access to putting you in jail.

      Yes, both are examples of government over-reaching, but one attempts to serve the public trust (quite imperfectly) while the other serves to enforce fascism on the US and the world at large.

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    2. Re:Here's What Needs To Happen. by Svartalf · · Score: 2

      Heh... You're mistaken on the Health Care bill. It was created to mandate that EVERYONE get health insurance, tax you if you don't (and jail you if you don't pay it...), introduce a vast number of regulations on things you clearly didn't know about in a vain attempt to "fund" the initiative, and a vast array of regulations that quite simply moved the price UP so that more couldn't afford it. You have SOPA right. Simply put, they up-sold the lie in the case of "ObamaCare" and aren't even trying in the case of SOPA.

      Quite simply, the Federal Government needs to have 2/3rds of the laws they've made taken off the books or to have Congress, who is mostly exempt from all of this crap, have it explicitly apply to them at the same time it does to us. A lot of this BS will stop and they'll shrink the bills a bit because they won't want booby-traps for themselves lurking.

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    3. Re:Here's What Needs To Happen. by fightinfilipino · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i will not vote for a Republican ever because they support so many other violations of personal liberty (same sex relationships, racism, discrimination against the impoverished) that it's ridiculous.

      that being said, i'm taking a long, hard look at independents now.

    4. Re:Here's What Needs To Happen. by smpoole7 · · Score: 2

      > Health Care was created to give everyone access ...

      You're missing the point. The point was, the American people DID NOT WANT IT. Whether it's a marvelous idea or the most heinous thing ever inflicted on the electorate is something that we can debate until we're blue-faced.

      But DO NOT say, "if our congress creatures vote for SOPA against the will of the people, then they deserve to be un-elected," then turn right around and say, "but those who voted for healthcare, against the clear will of their constituents, were brave heroes."

      You cannot have it both ways. This really isn't that hard to understand.

      Remember, those who support SOPA think that "pimply faced kids" are "flaunting the law" and "stealing intellectual property" (the essense of actual comments from its supporters).

      The answer is, representatives should represent the will of their constituents. They won't always agree; politics is the art of compromise, after all. We have to accept that. No one gets everything they want. But if people know that their elected representatives are at least listening to them, the pill is a bit less bitter to swallow. :)

      Anything else results in precisely what we see now: extreme polarization, name-calling, and near-civil-war in some cases.

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    5. Re:Here's What Needs To Happen. by letherial · · Score: 2

      Well you sounded reasonable, until i read that you go to jail if you dont pay. That was fox news propaganda and is utterly false, unfortunately i realize that you are not self thinking and are just repeating what you hear; therefore, anything you say is pointless and i didnt read much. I am going to point out that many people didn't like the healthcare bill because it catered to the healthcare family (hospitals, insurance, big pharama), the healthcare bill is a prime example of how bought our government is. Should of been a public option.

  19. Re:business can use stuff like this to stop compet by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gee, if someone wrote a program to automatically submit a claim against a site, and someone else wrote an extension to use that program to submit a claim against every single internet site on the planet, and many many people used it all at the same time, I wonder what would happen?

    People would be arrested for filing false reports until everyone was too terrified to keep up the effort. Filing a false report is not a form of protest; protests are supposed to be held in free speech areas where nobody has to be bothered.

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  20. It's time to take a historical approach... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Our founding fathers declared themselves an independent country and went to war over shit like this. No taxation without representation...are we truly represented in this government? The people? Of course not. It's time to stop trying to play their stupid game, the game is rigged against us from the start. It's time to start flipping boards...

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    Revolution is our birthright. The Bill of Rights grants all U.S. citizens the right of revolution by guaranteeing the freedoms that facilitate it, freedoms that our government has been trying to rein in with every passing year. Every branch of this government is corrupt. We have no representation in congress anymore. History has come full circle...

    Time to start looking to those 2nd Amendment solutions, boys and girls. Put your trust in God, but keep your powder dry. I never in a million years thought I would see this in my lifetime, but it seems that it is inevitable at this point.

    1. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by Pi1grim · · Score: 2

      You know, people have the government they deserve. If large enough percentage of the population gave a sh#t and would actively demonstrated it (that's the word, demonstration, to show your position) there would be no need for a revolution. And trust me, as soon as minority grabs their guns and tries to make a better place for everyone — it never goes the way it should. A lot of blood is spilled, usually that, of the innocent bystanders. And in the end you just end up with another set of greedy smoothtalkers in the sits. Fight for democracy is a never ending one. And as for US — they have been exporting the democracy to middle east in such ammounts, that, there may be none left for the citizens in the states.

    2. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What "fundamental freedom" is being curtailed by SOPA?

      - oh, just the first amendment rights (and every other human right as well, including ability to pursue happiness, to do business without being abused, everything).

      SOPA is not about copyrights, it's not about patents, it's about government getting power to prevent free speech and business by government. Copyrights, etc., those are all excuses.

    3. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      Also, what the hell is wrong with you that you think copyright enforcement is worth killing people over? What the hell? Look, I'm against SOPA. I'm against the DMCA. Heck, my personal belief is that the copyright system needs to be reformed completely; we need a much greater emphasis on fair use and a much lower limit on copyright terms - I'd be happy with five years. But your attitute to the situation is batshit insane. This is nothing worth ending a life over.

      - I agree with you.

      This attitude about SOPA is WAAAAY too late. It should have started back with everything else:

      1. Establishing the Federal reserve bank.
      2. IRS collecting income taxes.
      3. SS, Medicare, Medicaid and all other 'bread and circuses' programs.
      4. Getting off the gold standard.
      5. Starting wars all over the place without asking permission of the people and people not caring that the wars are started in their name without even a formal declaration.
      6. FDIC, FDA, EPA, FHA, HUD, CIA, FBI, FCC, FAA, Dep't of education, energy, commerce, agriculture, interior, Patriot Act, TSA, HLS, NDAA, every war since 1945, TARP and all other bail outs, stimulus packages and nationalisations of private businesses.

      Yeah, this latest outrage over SOPA and PIPA just maybe the last straw that will break this camel's neck.

    4. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

      - John F. Kennedy

    5. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Buddy, John Adams was imprisoning newspaper editors for writing unfavorable editorials. The Revolution itself may have had high-minded idealists in it, but they weren't even close to the majority of the Founding Fathers. By any objective metric, this country has become much freer and richer over time. Yes, even now. There are plenty of good fights to still fight - military detention, the death penalty, the use of torture, copyright reform, health care reform, immigration reform, SOPA - plenty of them. Yet we're living in the good times.

      There never was some glorious principled past. Crooks have been running the show since 1776, and it's nothing unique to America.

    6. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think you understand revolution, and in particular why the US had one. Two, if you count the civil war as an attempt at revolution that failed.

      At the time of the US revolution, a minority approved of it. However, at the time, virtually everyone was self-reliant, or could be. The choice was essentially between the old European governments establishing control over the colonies, or them having their own, local government. Civil war (by which I still mean the US revolution) was acceptable because there was no horrible consequence to temporary anarchy. It turned out to be an excellent idea, because a bunch of idealists were able to determine the form of government, which is in the end what you (and I, were it practical) are espousing.

      In the modern US, specialization of labor has replaced self-reliance to an ungodly degree. The existence of metropolises, and suburbs, is proof of that. There are many places where even temporary anarchy would spell the deaths of hundreds of thousands, or millions, because food and medicine is not produced locally. That means any attempt at violent revolution would be, in effect, telling those people to sacrifice themselves for your idealism. Considering the focus of your idealism is on a bill that regulates theft from the entertainment industry, you're going to have a hard time convincing Joe Public.

      Meanwhile, the existing government has a 100% foolproof way to convince Joe Public: Thousands will die. There is somewhere on the order of zero chance that a violent populist uprising will work.

      The best chance the US has of "revolution" is someone getting elected who takes up the mantle of tyrrany only long enough to put the people in jail who deserve to be in jail (politicians, corporates, and the sleazeballs who encourage their behavior), and changes the system to remove the vulnerabilities, before stepping back and letting Democracy work again. Sort of a modern-day George Washington; remember, at the time of the revolution, he had control of the military, and many people wondered if he would honor his promise to step down and hold elections, especially since there was still turmoil going on.

      Is this a good idea? No, because you have to look very, very closely at anyone who would take up the mantle of tyranny, and make sure that they don't do it for the wrong reasons, and given our track record of politicians, we won't look that closely, and they'll probably be bad people. It's not that it can't work, but finding the right person to do it is essentially impossible.

      "To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem." ~The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    7. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by shentino · · Score: 2

      It's a shame that 'deserve" gets averaged so that everyone suffersw for the apathy of their neighbor.

    8. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by shentino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      SOPA will eventually be used to suppress sites that expose the corruption in DC.

    9. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1. Martial law is not a conspiracy theory, it's NDAA - was signed on December 31, 2011, it includes military detaining civilians for indefinite time periods authorised by POTUS and it denies any rights to a lawyer or a trial, etc.

      2. There ain't nothing magical about dollar collapse, it's quite straight forward and only the blind and the ignorant don't understand the issue and it has to do with illegitimate currency backed by nothing and given out like candy to whoever knows how to ask.

      3. Comments on /.? Sure, why not. It can be any comments, it can be youtube videos or being associated with people who post such videos, for example being their children.

      just when were the good times, then? Was it back when African-Americans were enslaved?

      - and this was completely legitimised by the GOVERNMENT of the time and it ended because the free market capitalism made it more profitable to hire free workers rather than to own slaves.

      When women had no rights?

      - and this was completely legitimised by the GOVERNMENT, which set the rules that only white men with land could vote.

      This eventually too, was changed only once the free market capitalism made the people productive enough so that they didn't have to be subsistence farmers and women could finally stop being baby making machines for the farmers and could become economically independent in large numbers, and this was due to the innovation and entrepreneurship that only happened because of sound money and investment and freedom from government chains.

      When Native Americans were treated like blacks were in the 60s? When we fought continual wars against the natives pretty much because they were in our way? The Trail of Tears?

      - completely legitimised by GOVERNMENT.

      etc.etc.

      All the things you are complaining about was legitimate by the law of the land and the law of the land had to change, government had to be reigned in and powers had to be removed from it that made it possible for all the discrimination.

      Of-course while the discrimination against specific groups of people were becoming less of an issue, the discrimination against a much larger group of people was on the rise - the workers, the savers, the investors.

      The modern day worker, saver, investor and tax payer is the slave of the past, but it's done in a more uniform manner.

      Of-course the blacks and other minorities are still in a hole, specifically because the government took over the people's power to do with their own bodies as they want, so the war on drugs succeeded in enslaving the blacks once again, instead it's now being enslaved into a system not for providing cheap source of labor, but it's done to increase the power of the police state, provide money for illegal CIA operations and various other political reasons.

      Of-course you, being an historian, just like Newt Gingrich, would probably say that the Founders of US Republic would just execute the potheads and other drug users, completely disregarding the fact that the Founders themselves were using all sorts of drugs, from hashish to opiates. But who cares about such inconvenient details, right?

    10. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by jader3rd · · Score: 3, Funny

      You want the people who care more about celebrity relationships, despise education, have ADD towards difficult issues, and only get riled up by what MSNBC and Fox News tells them to get riled up about, to vote on every issue? Should we also make it a requirement that they can’t be sober when filling out their internet form?

    11. Re:It's time to take a historical approach... by Skreems · · Score: 2

      Most libertarian-ish people have to find that way of thinking on their own (or at least seek out alternative literature)

      Are you shitting me? Most "libertarian-ish" people bought into the Ayn Rand (tm) brand and are convinced that they are a unique and special flower who should be worshiped by the rest of the world for gracing them with their existence because they read it in a book. Almost by definition, any belief system that has a widely recognized name is going to be made up of mindless sheep.

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  21. Re:Only One Way to Fight It by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Now, now... if that would accomplish anything, maybe you'd have a point, but what if you wipe out congress? What changes? Nothing changes. The next line of seat warmers just gets moved in. Different people get their pockets filled, else, nothing changes.

    Why bother?

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  22. what if... by adamchou · · Score: 2

    the internet community just decided to violate SOPA and PIPA. they would be taken to court and if the general populace is strongly opposed enough to the legislation, the jury could nullify the legislation? would that be enough to overturn the new laws? or is that just wishful dreaming?

  23. felonies en masse by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, this is worse than usual--the definition of the willfulness requirement for criminal copyright, technically ambiguous for about a century, will make it absolutely clear that a massive percentage of the American population--even those who have never shared a file in their life--will be felons.

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    1. Re:felonies en masse by dbet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the point. The government wants everyone to be felons. It gives them license to pick on whoever they want, any time they want. This is of course perfectly fine for most Americans who are so stupid as to think that selective enforcement will never apply to them. Everyone is in such denial about our government being evil, that they're happy to continue pretending that it's not. In less than 10 years we'll be in another war where we'll kill another 100,000 non-combatants and call it freedom.

    2. Re:felonies en masse by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      That's the point. The government wants everyone to be felons. It gives them license to pick on whoever they want, any time they want. This is of course perfectly fine for most Americans who are so stupid as to think that selective enforcement will never apply to them. Everyone is in such denial about our government being evil, that they're happy to continue pretending that it's not. In less than 10 years we'll be in another war where we'll kill another 100,000 non-combatants and call it freedom.

      Give me six lines written by the most honorable of men, and I will find an excuse in them to hang him.
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  24. Re:One possibility by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There will be one good consequence of SOPA: The US will lose control of DNS.

  25. Re:Not surprised... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Youtube has money. Such laws are rarely used against companies with that much money. I imagine though that, were SOPA around when youtube was founded, the site would have been killed before it ever became popular enough for you to know the name.

  26. Re:Only One Way to Fight It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Make those people in Congress fear for their jobs.

    Their jobs? How about their lives? Some old school assassination is in order. And not just the politicians, but the executives of the corporate interests controlling them. These people need to die.

    "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.” -- Robert A. Heinlein

  27. Re:One possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that if SOPA gets passed that it could have positive consequences.

    Yeah, like finally waking up a populace that's been asleep for many years. If this shit passes, the U.S.'s days are numbered. If you consider that a positive (and given the nature of our government, I absolutely fucking do) then that's probably about the only positive effect this shit is going to have.

    You''ve got to be kidding! If you think SOPA and PIPA are going to "wake up" the populace, you need to adjust your medication. The Patriot Act was *welcomed* by many Americans. If the Patriot Act wasn't enough to wake people up, they're out for the night, bud. Yes, it's sad.

  28. Could SCOTUS do anything? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

    SOPA sure seems unconstitutional to me.

  29. Good luck with that by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These days if I hand someone a flier and they proclaim "Oh, I don't read" without pride in their voice I consider that a victory. Americans aren't just ignorant, their willfully ignorant. Ask a marketer, and one of the things they'll tell you that works is an appeal against "elitism". There's just about nothing Americans hate than somebody who "knows better then them". Even if they do. On of George Bush jr's biggest political selling points is he was just a dumb as they where; American like to believe there are simple answers to problems and in the myth of 'common sense'.

    My recommendation? Focus on living a life where you don't feel the need to drown out the misery in copywrited content. I find most people fall back on movies/music/TV as a way to cope with and escape from the misery that is their day to day lives. Keep needless and unpleasant complications out of your life and to hell with the rest of the world.

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  30. Re:One possibility by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am anticipating a lot of positive consequences from SOPA. More funding for Internet-based businesses, more income for hosting companies from international customers and more interest from foreign companies in selling their products here.

    I should probably mention that I don't live in the USA...

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  31. We are all screwed here's why by koan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Go to http://sopatrack.com/ and take a look at your state,
    Here's California
    Dianne Feinstein
            * $1,298,218 from big media
            * $796,581 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $244,700 from anti-PIPA groups
    Barbara Boxer
            * $2,522,816 from big media
            * $1,647,015 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $1,144,820 from anti-PIPA groups
    Here's New York
    Chuck Schumer
            * $1,465,160 from big media
            * $1,191,700 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $323,475 from anti-PIPA groups
    Kirsten Gillibrand
            * $747,991 from big media
            * $1,682,667 from pro-PIPA groups
            * $882,986 from anti-PIPA groups

    Oh yeah it's getting passed,

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  32. Re:Who does this help? Not many I can tell. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Think a bit outside the box. Especially, don't see it as the end product. It's the first step towards a legislation that allows to pull content off the net. Because, well, you already HAVE to implement it, why not give us the right to pull content off for ... well, we'll get to that once the whole thing is in and running.

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  33. MSM supports SOPA by roman_mir · · Score: 2

    By the way, MSM LOVE SOPA.

    Pick your favorite: MSNBC, FOÐ¥, CBS, ABC, NBC - they don't talk about it, they only call Ron Paul a 'kook', while Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate in the elections who is talking about actual issues (and I mean he is the only candidate, regardless of the 'party' denomination), be it the Patriot Act, NDAA with the indefinite detention of civilians by military based on POTUS's request provision (so think concentration camps not just for funny looking foreigners, but for your own citizens).

    CNN devoted an evening to mentioning SOPA.

    Judge Napolitano on Fox Business talks about it often.

    But that's it. Where do you think the MSMs of the world stand on the entire Internet idea? They fucking HATE IT. They can't control it, it cuts into their BULLSHIT that they are spewing and it cuts into their bottom line as few people are watching.

    The only reason for SOPA not to pass is because of-course there is a lot of money on the other side of it as well, but even given Google, Yahoo, Facebook, whatever Internet company/provider/content provider, eventually in USA laws like SOPA and PIPA (and maybe these very laws) will pass, it's not a matter of 'if', it's just the question of 'when', and the 'when' will hit hard IF something happens and Ron Paul becomes too popular all of a sudden during these elections going further on and even if he doesn't win (which is most likely), to prevent anybody like that from competing with the establishment power in the future, the government will see that it is necessary to prevent people from being able to do their own 'congress' on line and to prevent any rise of popular candidates that will take the country on the course of liberty, they will build in every possible thing into the system to shut down the Internet and throw whoever they see as dangerous into their newfangled military ran concentration camps, and deny them any rights (the real name of NDAA that passed should be "Repeal the 4th Amendment Act").

    1. Re:MSM supports SOPA by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2

      they only call Ron Paul a 'kook'

      To be fair, he is a bit of a kook. Please let me explain with an example. Ron Paul believes that private businesses should be able to discriminate in who they serve and who they hire, and that government should not interfere.

      I agree this is technically true from a Constitutional standpoint, and I would support a nation with these ideals.

      The difficult part is that our current culture holds that "all men are created equal" surpasses individual liberty when people interact. This is not unreasonable, as we are still making up for racial discrimination which affected many people still alive today from the civil rights movements.

      As a society, we cannot at this time roll back the laws and say you can now discriminate at will. Our shared cultural values do not allow that. It will not be possible until nearly all of the people who remember the civil rights era have passed away, and new generations who believe in looking not at skin color, but the value of a person take hold. Only then can people make their own decisions on who to include.

      The US is a country with wounds, and we have to use casts and bandages in place until those woulds have healed. Only then can we let the body loose to its freedom.

      A good politician tempers his personal beliefs with cultural mores, in effect supporting what's good for the people right now, and for the future. This will evolve as the culture evolves. Long term, he is absolutely correct.

      But we have to take gradual steps to get there. He would be much more successful if he focused on the things that need to change right now, and left the changes that we're not ready for in the future. But then he wouldn't be calling it like he sees it. Politics is a difficult balance, and he's not balancing, which is why he is being marginalized.

      You have to play the game, and he refuses, so he looks like a kook. I respect him as a man of principle, but he's getting very little done, so he gets no credibility as a man of action.

  34. Re:One possibility by shoehornjob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine the shit hitting the fan when the Congresscritters realize that SOPA is useless.

    They don't care if their legislation is useless. They wrote what they were paid for and until they get paid again they don't give a $hit. "Your government at work for you"

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  35. please let it pass by Tom · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I'm actually hoping it will pass.

    Every once in a while, the people need a wake-up call. Yours is long overdue. This might be it. So here is what I think would be the best-case chain of events:

    * SOPA gets passed
    * all the large Internet sites (Google, Facebook, Twitter, ebay, Amazon, etc. etc.) do as they threatened and shut down for at least a few days
    * massive outrage ensues
    * said Internet sites have the advantage of direct communication and explain to the people just what just happened, in terms they understand
    * massive outrage is directed against every representative who voted for SOPA
    * the entire corrupt establishment gets kicked out and replaced by other people, who will last the country a century or so before they turn into the next corrupt establishment that needs kicking out.

    This is the change that everyone voted for when they voted for Obama, isn't it?

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  36. Mike Godwin's worry is coming true. by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation

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  37. Re:One possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The USA will force an equivalent law down the throat of your government, as well.

    The threats are probably already being made to your governors, in fact.

  38. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by lexsird · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess it's really handy for them then that they can throw you in some hidden prison forever for just saying that now. By saying that, you could probably be considered by them, a "terrorist". It was no accident they passed that. Nor is it an accident that they plug their ears and want to establish as much control as possible over the Internet or even destroy it by unleashing these thugs loose on it with the ability to destroy it.

    This is all about domination and control by the rulers of this country. They watched the Arab Spring and the riots in London and it has them scared. But they are dangerous when they are scared. They are now taking the steps they need to take to preserve their way of life and control over us all. This is no accident, they aren't playing dumb, they are doing as they are told to do by those who control them.

    Now here is where it gets interesting. What do we the people do about this? Absolutely nothing, is what we will do. Collectively, we are dumb, fat and happy. We will not for such a puny concept as "freedom" risk our comfortable lives. Sure there are a few disgruntled people, but this isn't 1776, and we aren't going to have a Revolution.

    Your lone gunman theory isn't going to work. They will simply just cover it up. They have proven themselves quite capable of controlling the media in this country. The Internet is the only leak they need to plug, and this SOPA bullshit, is just the excuse they need to stick their foot in the door, and then turn off the mechanisms. Once they destroy the free flow of information, they survive. It's desperate, and destructive to humanity, but once you understand that this is indeed a war on us the people, versus those who wish to dominate us, you will understand that sacrificing the Internet means nothing to them.

    I will stop here before I end up in a cell next to you. It's a God damned sad day in America when I have to ponder what I am about to post because I fear I might end up in a prison with no rights, or ability to defend myself. Make no mistake, we have cross a line recently. It's official, we are the evil empire. We are the modern Nazis.

    What it boils down to is this, once laws become so far gone, twisted and evil, one has not only the moral right to ignore them, but they have the moral duty to resist them to the death. We are talking about pussy Americans though. We've let so much slide, that we have proven to be a collective bunch of dumb pussies. If our founding fathers could see us now, they would cut their own ball sacks off so that they didn't sire descendants this cowardly.

    Think about it, we have this "Tea Party", which is a laughing joke at the original Boston Tea Party. Our founding fathers did "terrorist" acts in Boston harbor on tea shipments because they had a tax on them. It was violence over Taxation without Representation, and it's our history of how we carved our freedoms out in blood from the British. Do you think we would get off our asses now over Taxation without Representation? We don't get off our asses when our Constitution is systematically shredded before our eyes.

    We are too dumb to see it happening, and even if we do see it, we are a big bunch of pussy cowards and just let it happen. To me this defines us as a people who are collectively a bunch of pussies. And I am not talking about violence, hell, I am talking about how half of us don't even FUCKING VOTE. You talked about the boxes, well damn it, why fuck with the last one, when the other 3 have hardly been touched? Do you seriously think you will have support on the 4th when these pussies will not even lift up a bleat with the other three?

    Just whine about it all at the kitchen table, forget the Internet, it's fucked. Go about your life, enjoy what comforts you have while you have them. You are in the Matrix and there is no escape.

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  39. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by Fnord666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

    John F Kennedy, 13 Mar 1962, Address_on_the_First_Anniversary_of_the_Alliance_for_Progress

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  40. Sounds about right by lightknight · · Score: 2

    Congress proposes bill -> The populace realizes they're getting fucked, and complains loudly about it -> Congress tables the bill -> The populace quiets down -> Congress passes the bill into law.

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  41. Mod Parent UP by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Informative

    where are my mod points when I need them. Texas is only doing well because of a tonne of short lived oil jobs. When the wells dry up it'll make Detroit look like a summer home.

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  42. Democracy's Litmus test by Rik+Rohl · · Score: 2

    I now see SOPA/PIPA as a litmus test for whether democracy actually exists anymore. EVERYONE who has had these bills explained to them ends up being outraged, and the fact that politicians are determined to push it through, in the face of almost 100% opposition to the bills from their VOTERS, show that they no longer show any interest in representing the PEOPLE.
    If these bills pass, it is incontrivertible proof that the political system is no longer functioning to serve the will of the people, and that an entirely new political system is required.

    Please, write to your representative, expressing this fact. They need to be made aware how much the future of the nation as a whole is riding on these bills.

  43. What the public can do about SOPA by lsatenstein · · Score: 2

    What is fair is fair. If enough of you complain by asking for a take down of a music piece, from your favourite store, because you suspect it was pirated, there must be immediate compliance. There is no penalty for making an error.

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  44. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 2

    Why are you so angry? Compared to my memories of earlier years things are going pretty well. There are no Nazis, no Soviets, no Osama bin Laden anymore. No race riots. No soup kitchens or bread lines. Even the Arabs are awakening. Life seems to be pretty good.

    What exactly is going on that is so incredibly intolerable? Are you mad that you can't get music for free? Pandora is great for free music or even a simple YouTube search often returns the song. Are you this mad because you can't advocate for the overthrow of the US government by violent means?

    Who is the ruling "they" that comprise the rulers of this country? Who is the "they" that is making you so angry? What stops you from becoming one of the "them" and changing things?

  45. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box by Genda · · Score: 2

    First of all, the fact that Mr. Obama has made it clear he respects the Constitution doesn't mean some other idiot (let's say some clone of Mr. Obama's predecessor) who neither understands the Constitution nor respects it, won't add or remove a section of this legislation resulting in the total gutting of due processor and citizen's civil rights. Even with Mr Obama, you think if someone declared open season on the White House, that they wouldn't forget all about that "Constitutional Stuff"? The American Civil Liberty Union states that the lack of duration or geographic limitation of this law makes it particularly troubling. If for one moment, you don't think this isn't a serious brick in a wall that spells totalitarianism, you my friend need a reality check. There is no way to be concerned enough about this legislation.

    As for shooting puppets vs. puppet masters, excuse me, but the line of puppets is longer than the eye can see, I hope you have a lot of ammunition. Other than satisfying your unwholesome distaste for compromised statesmen, I have to ask why plug pawns and leave the the higher point pieces walking the chess board with impunity? Anyway, the act of parting some fools hair (no matter how deserving) has never been the answer, to quote Gandhi "I appall the use of violence, because even when it seems good; the good is only temporary, the bad it does is always permanent."

    You may be right, it may be too late, especially with a general populace that is superstitious, mislead, misinformed and sadly complacent. I still hope that a small dedicated group of people can move the masses. Its happened before and today more than ever, a single committed voice can make a real difference.

  46. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by Genda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the problem. Vapid, ignorant, uninterested people who don't even bother to illuminate the vast empty place between their ears. You mention Nazis. So let's do this by the numbers. WHY WERE NAZIS BAD? Because they were Fascists and slaughtered a bunch of innocent folks. What is a Fascist? Well, Mussolini, a Fascist, said its the corporate state. Why is this bad? Well when a nation's corporations determine the fate of that nation and its people all kind of predictable things, bad things, begin to happen. You see profit is a great thing to motivate people, but as a guiding target for a society, it can lead to dark things. At first everything is great and the society enjoys explosive growth. But soon, the system begins to cannibalize itself. Ultimately the wheels come off, it crashes and explodes, and often a lot of people die. That why we don't like fascism. If you want to know how to tell a Fascist State here are some signs to look at. If you've not been in a coma for the last decade, you may notice that modern day America now has something in common with Germany and sadly its not the love of beer. So your Nazi comment as clever as you might have thought it was echoes a sad and frightening irony.

    As for soup kitchens and bread lines, are you brain damaged? Here, try these sites: People in line at foodbank, The State of Poverty in America, What replaced the Soup Kitchens, The real state of Unemployment in America Today, Tent Cities Sprouting up all over the country. One in five children in America today goes to bed hungry. One in six people in this country suffers chronic malnutrition. One in eight is out of work and can't find employment. Entire regions of America have been depressed for so long, they now have names like "The Rust Belt." One in seven people in this country is saved from hunger by food stamps or federal food programs. There are scenes all over the country of people lined up for blocks waiting for food from food banks. There are shanty towns and tent cities across the nation of homeless people who were formerly middle class, and tens of millions of middle class Americans who live a single pay check away from becoming homeless. Food banks are pleading for support, they've never before been required to support so many people and many are on the verge of collapse. Are you so blind and poorly informed that you don't even see the profound state of social collapse around you? Are you sleep walking? Medicated? Either you have no mind or you have no heart, please which is it?

    As for the ruling class, the top 400 people in this country now have the same wealth as the bottom HALF of the country, over 160,000,000 people. The imbalance of wealth in America today is greater THAN ANY TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY. That is the ruling class. They have hijacked our government. They have hijacked the media and our sources of free information. They have robbed us of our Bill of Rights and damaged our form of government to the very edge of its ability to be repaired. They are working hard to rob us of our last best hope for human freedom and development, the internet.

    I don't advocate violence, and never have, but I tell you now, I am plenty angry. I pray that we find our way back without the spilling of blood, but I have a hard time imagining a bright future with so many like you walking the street today. You scare me more than the despots.

  47. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by am+2k · · Score: 2

    How many people does the "facist government" put to death in concentration camps each year?

    Ever heard of Guantanamo? It's not just for foreigners any more.

    In the last 30 years I remember a ton of new billionaires being created out of their own new talents. What stops you from doing the same and changing things?

    Software patents. You can't afford to be noticed by anybody in the industry by being too successful. Just look at the patent wars going on in the mobile space at the moment.

    Even if you don't have the intelligence or capabilities to succeed, why don't you simply start a referendum to have the bills you don't like repealed?

    Because he's not rich enough to do that? You need a lot of money for the general public to even notice anything.

  48. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by am+2k · · Score: 2

    How many people have been killed in Guantanamo? How many US citizens are currently being held there? How do these number make the US the new Nazi's?

    Nobody outside the military knows exactly, but three people are said to have been killed, with hints to more.

    The "nobody knows exactly" part is the answer to your third question.

    Software patents cover existing technologies, what stops you from creating something new?

    No, software patents cover ideas, not technology. Besides that, how should I know what has been patented? There are thousands of patents I'd have to check for every line of my code, with many many more being approved constantly. Only a huge company with its own legal division can even come close to do something like that, even in theory. In practice, nobody does, they just cross-license or sue the hell out of each other. All three are not an option for small startups.

    Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook in the last decade -- why didn't software patents stop him?

    He probably got lucky, and/or did some sweet deals... Being at Harvard probably did help a lot.

    If SOPA is so egregious that it warrants a violent revolution then it seems like it would be easy to collect the signatures to start a referendum, right?

    Nope, because people are lazy. However, this has been covered multiple times in this article's comments, so I won't get into details.

  49. Re:The other 3 have failed, break out the 4th box. by Sabriel · · Score: 2

    If you truly feel none of the four boxes are going to work, there still remains the fifth, original, option: leave. The founders of the US emigrated from what is now the UK (more or less, I know, I'm keeping it short) for a land where they could create a nation of their own, rather than stay and engage in what they felt would be useless revolution. Why not do this again? Find a country where your skills are valued and your ideals are accepted. You'll (hopefully) carry the best of what it means to be an American with you, and if enough of you emigrate to the same place, you'll found a new America, at first in spirit, perhaps someday in name.

    If you don't want to emigrate, alternatives include moving to any of the US states that you feel still hold true to pre-fall values in the hope that they will avoid the rest of the nation's slide to a banana republic, but I don't know enough of US politics to comment as to which ones. Heck, you never know, the country still might manage to find the brakes on the hand-basket. After all, it could be worse, we could be in a Fallout game.