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Statisticians Uncover the Mathematics of a Serial Killer

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Andrei Chikatilo, 'The Butcher of Rostov,' was one of the most prolific serial killers in modern history committing at least 52 murders between 1978 and 1990 before he was caught, tried, and executed. The pattern of his murders, though, was irregular with long periods of no activity, interrupted by several murders within a short period of time. Hoping to gain insight into serial killings to prevent similar murders, Mikhail Simkin and Vwani Roychowdhury at UCLA built a mathematical model of the time pattern of the activity of Chikatilo and found the distribution of the intervals between murders follows a power law with the exponent of 1.4. The basis of their analysis is the hypothesis that 'similar to epileptic seizures, the psychotic affects, causing a serial killer to commit murder, arise from simultaneous firing of large number of neurons in the brain.' In modeling the behavior the authors didn't find that 'the killer commits murder right at the moment when neural excitation reaches a certain threshold. He needs time to plan and prepare his crime' so they built delay into their model. The killings eventually have a sedative effect, pushing the neuronal activity below the 'killing threshold' – which is why there are large intervals of time between groups of murders. 'There is at least qualitative agreement between theory and observation [PDF],' conclude the authors. 'Stats can't tell you who the perp is, but they're getting better and better at figuring out where and when the next crime might happen,' writes criminal lawyer Nathaniel Burney adding that 'catching a serial killer by focusing resources based on when and where he's likely to strike next is a hell of a lot better than relying on the junk science of behavioral profiling.'"

164 comments

  1. The cure for the itch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Is a few bodies of specific height, weight, and coloration.

  2. Yeah I saw that on... by teeloo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Numb3rs already. Yawn.

    1. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Numb3rs already. Yawn.

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    2. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by dredwerker · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Many of us have torrents and like Us crime dramas without ads.:) (probably)

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    3. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by sjudd · · Score: 2

      Many of us have torrents and like Us crime dramas without ads.:) (probably)

      dumbers hardly fits into that category

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    4. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by neokushan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Many of us have better taste in TV.

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    5. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Many of us have torrents and like Us crime dramas without ads.:) (probably)

      Buy Sky+ then. Oh, sorry, I forgot this is slashdot so we're entitled to anything we can get our hands on and believe that films and TV shows magically get made at no cost.

      Yeah, blah blah "Intellectual property" doesn't really exist, it's only copying not stealing, whatever.

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    6. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      ditto

    7. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      Do you really not like Numb3rs? Or is this some elites BS? I for one think its a great show. How would you make it better? Assuming you think its possible to have a show with some Savant like mathematician who solves crime? Do you like BBT out of curiosity?

    8. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you ask nicely someone can explain numb3rs to you.

    9. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by pla · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, blah blah "Intellectual property" doesn't really exist, it's only copying not stealing, whatever.

      Unfortunate that you got modded troll, because you make a good point.

      I have to ask, though - At what point do you consider time and/or format shifting as "piracy", for ethical purposes?

      If I watch live TV, no piracy, ostensibly because we see the ads that "pay" for it. But I can (and back before TiVo, most people did) use commercials as food/bathroom breaks, or just flip channels during them, so even in the bad-ol'-days, no one really watched them.

      If I buy the season on DVD, no piracy, because I've actually directly paid for the content.

      If I download the same show from a torrent, most of us would agree that violates the spirit of copyright, even if we don't particularly care and do it anyway.

      If I rent the DVD and rip it, I think most would consider that piracy.

      And of course, we have the DVR, where I can time and format shift it to watch wherever and whenever I want, which IMO most people have come to accept as not piracy.

      But - How does ripping or torrenting differ from the DVR case, either functionally or in terms of compensation? Whether I "rip" a show from broadcast TV or rip it from a DVD, it makes absolutely no difference to the producer. Whether I download it from a torrent or "download" it from my TiVo To Go, it makes absolutely no difference to the producer. Whether I watch it live and promise to completely ignore the commercials, or watch a torrented 4th-hand fansubbed unlocked-PSP version, it makes absolutely no difference to the producer.

      Basically, once the producer has "given it away" by broadcasting it to the world, how can any use of that content really fall into the same box as "stealing"?

    10. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by Marcx77 · · Score: 1

      Your argument goes astray when you say that it makes no difference to the producer whether you watch something without ads through TiVo and the like, or by torrenting something. It makes a difference in the sense that built into the price of broadcast tv (i.e.: free) is the assumption that a certain portion of viewers will find the ads so annoying that they'll get it on DVD. From a producer's point of view, the choice isn't between watching it on TV (while skipping the ads) and watching a torrented episode (without ads); the choice is between watching it on TV and buying it on DVD. An often heard counterargument to the above is that the people who download wouldn't have bought in the first place. I can at least anecdotally disprove that by saying that since I got a media box with Sickbeard I haven't bought any series on DVD, which previously I did (albeit incidentally). And even though downloading (without uploading) is legal in my country, it's not something I feel particularly good about.

    11. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by flyneye · · Score: 0

      What would really be of interest would be to take these numbers, compare and contrast to corrupt politicians, police, doctors with high failure rates, pedo-priests and other ne'er-do-wells.
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    12. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      This is more a statement of the apparent ineffectiveness of advertising. The fact is that the majority of advertising is largely ignored, but they are simply looking for brief impressions that yield small returns, but are also very cheap per impression. If you are skipping it with your DVR, you'll probably still catch the beginning and end of each commercial break and at least have a small impression. For marketers, even that small impression being mixed in is still worth paying for. Maybe you aren't seeing as much as other viewers are, but it also would drive up the value of the first and last commercial spot in a break.

      You can debate the effectiveness all you want, but the fact is still that there are marketers willing to compensate the content creator for you to DVR the program and skip their adds. If you could get someone to compensate them for torrenting it, without giving you meaningful ads, then you would have a similarly good deal. Something like Hulu is really kind of similar to this idea, but they stream it so as to be able to charge advertisers by impression.

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    13. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      For no other reason than that the government says it does ...

      This is the problem with copyright (and Patents) they make no sense with modern technology, either you ban what everyone would agree is normal legal use, or all copying is valid and legal ...

      It's like putting a film on a huge screen in a public place then trying to sell ticket to people to watch it ... ?

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    14. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Numb3rs already. Yawn.

      And, of course, the thing to remember about Numb3rs is they didn't really have a genius mathematician who solved all of these problems. Much of the math was solid-sounding, but generally they weren't afraid to use math like Star Trek used tachyons and just make stuff up.

      So, the fact that real statisticians identified this is in no way lessened by anything you saw in Numb3rs.

      Also, Superman doesn't really live in New York City, and Jack Bauer isn't a real guy. Oh, and there is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy.

      Sorry to disappoint, but you're talking about fiction on TV.

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    15. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I say as far as TV there shouldn't be a way to even label it AS piracy if they are showing it OTA. After all if you can get it for absolutely free why should they give a crap if I don't have the time to watch it at say Wed at 8PM? If they would just let us watch when we have the time I wouldn't need to fricking format shift would I? It also ignores the fact that seeing a show, be it OTA or BT can get a person interested enough to buy. I have the almost complete Whedon collection* which probably cost close to $1000 along with a couple of sideshow collectible figures from Buffy that my late sister got me as bookends simply because I was able to download a couple of episodes of BtVS off of eMule. When Buffy was on the air there wasn't a station in this area with a strong enough signal to actually watch it and frankly if I hadn't downloading a couple of episodes and got hooked on the writing I would have NEVER bought it based on the description. I mean a show based on a bad movie with the guy from the Taster's Choice commercials and a soap actress as stars? Doesn't sound even a tiny bit appealing to me, but after seeing a few episodes i got hooked on the witty dialog and ended up getting the complete box set along with the Angel and Firefly set so that's a $1000 they would have never gotten otherwise.

      As for TFA frankly I don't see how anyone can predict batshit. With serial killers we've seen everything in this country from a sexual sadist clown (Gacy) to one that was killing the same girl over again (Bundy) to a guy that thought the neighbor's dog was giving him orders (Son of Sam) to a nutbar collecting slaves for the afterlife (Zodiac). If its one thing we've learned about these freaks its that like a virus there is always some new mutation and there is as many reasons for them doing it as there are stars in the sky. I have to wonder how much of these "patterns" are simply trying to find meaning where none exists? it seems we humans really don't like things that are unpredictable and out of control and that pretty much describes serial killers.

      (*didn't get Dollhouse, never cared for it)

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    16. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Copyright and Patents are a good experiment, sure, until others come along and abuse the hell out of it.

      Next you know some mathematician will copyright the Pythagorean theorem or better yet the smalls series of steps necessary to catch a serial killer.

    17. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, Superman doesn't really live in New York City,

      We know that. He lives in Metropolis. Duh.

    18. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      In the DVR example you've taken advantage of a specially licensed showing of the copyrighted content. Whether you watch the commercials or not is just part of the formula they use to calculate the rates for that show.

      So saying that using a DVR is indistinguishable from downloading a torrent copy is like saying because Costco is giving out free cheese dip samples today, you have the right to eat free cheese dip for life.

      A certain percentage of tasters will buy the cheese dip, others will simply go to Costco and try one of everything to skip lunch. That's all part of their formula that helps them calculate how often they should give out samples.

      Like the free cheese dip, if it's not offered free when and where you are then you just have to buy it when you find it on the shelf.

      Yes I too would like my fridge to automatically teleport free cheese dip for me, but sadly I still have to buy it.

      Now could someone please convert this to a car analogy for everyone's benefit, as cheese dip analogies are not common parlance here.

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    19. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not hard.

      Copyright is the exclusive right to control production of copies. So:

      1. watching on TV, not a violation
      2. recording live TV, a violation (but an exception has been made and a tax on blank media levied to mitigate the "damages")
      3. ripping a DVD to upload to file-sharing sites, a violation
      4. downloading from a file-sharing site, a violation
      5. ripping a DVD to convert to a more usable format for personal use, a violation, but an exception has been made counting this as "fair use"

      It's right in the name. If you are making a _copy_ of something you do not own the _rights_ to you are violating the rights holder's _copyright_

      There are exceptions for fair use, which mainly focus on use of copyrighted work for educational, review, and parody purposes. As well as some cases where the rate of technology has made it unenforceable to say "no" to people doing it anyway (converting between formats for personal use).

    20. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see someone (other than me) test this by downloading a show while it is being shown on over-the-air TV, as a rerun. They were giving it away free at that time, the lawyer argues, and my client has an antenna with HD reception. How do you ensure the audience stays in their seats for the commercials? Keeps their eyes open? You don't? I move for immediate dismissal.

    21. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by metrix007 · · Score: 1
      It is copying. It isn't stealing. If it was just stealing the term piracy would not need to have been invented as distinct from stealing.

      You want to know why I advocate and condone Piracy?

      1. Guaranteed DRM free content - I don't want someone else in control of something I own
      2. Availability, instead of waiting up to 1.5 years if the studios decide
      3. I believe it's good for society. Allowing people who can't afford something to be influenced and give back to society.
      4. It helps the artists. Almost every study about piracy posted on /. shows it leads to an increase in sales

      Keep in mind piracy is legal in many countries, for good reason. Those countries tend to be smarter than the US and western europe.

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    22. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      So saying that using a DVR is indistinguishable from downloading a torrent copy is like saying because Costco is giving out free cheese dip samples today, you have the right to eat free cheese dip for life.

      No, it's not.

      It might be comparable if you included the fact that someone besides Costco distributed the free cheese dip at a different location, and somehow the cheese dip was a magical cheese dip that never ran out. Except that in your failed analogy, it actually costs Costco something to give away the cheese dip, it would cost the non-authorized cheese dip distributor something, AND the cheese dip will run out eventually. When it comes to distribution of TV shows, there are no (well, trivial) costs for all distributors, and unlike with the cheese dip, the producers don't "lose" their copies of the media because somebody else violated their copyright.

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    23. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Numb3rs already. Yawn.

      Dear teeloo,

      Many of us reside outside the US and/or have lives.

      Sincerely,

      The rest of /.

      Uh, no, the rest of /. knows how to use a search engine.

    24. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by bd580slashdot · · Score: 1

      I feel piracy is OK because my experiences belong to me. Once I watch a movie, I own it in some sense. Advertisers take over my visual field all the time without asking. They own part of my experience without asking me. I think of it like a trade.

    25. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by SomeStupidNickName12 · · Score: 1

      I have heard this argument so many times and its such bullshit.

      To use the cheese dip analogy, you are not eating magical unlimited cheese dip that never runs out. You are eating recycled unlimited cheese dip, and while the first time around it tastes pretty good the more it gets recycled the more it loses its flavor and becomes more bland.

      It costs money to come out with new content/season/shows - this money comes from the sales of the content from the last season or previous shows. So your argument only holds merit if you happy watching reruns with out getting any new content.

      Stop being a free loading hippie and pay whats fair, not that agree that the current model is correct - its needs to change and maybe something like paying a monthly subscription and getting access to everything is more appropriate.

    26. Re:Yeah I saw that on... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Do you really not like Numb3rs?

      How would one know? It gets through the mental pipeline as far as filter #2 (made in America) and at that point I move onto the next programme for consideration.

      A crude filtering system I'm sure ; but it cuts the amount of TV to be actively considered for watching down to a mere couple of dozen hours per night, which is manageable at 15 seconds consideration per hour broadcasting slot.

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  3. Great. So now all we need... by Tastecicles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is another series of murders to consolidate the theory.

    Any takers?

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    1. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Okay. I'll do it. It'll only be four people, though, is that enough? I hope so.

    2. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. You can fit anything to a given set of data to show some sort of correlation. It seems to me they simply played with their model until it fit the data in a reasonable way, and now needs to show that it can also predict the behaviors of other serial killers who have a similar condition. Does this model fit any other killer's pattern? Does it fit any other epileptic behaviors? Kind of a weird study, granted I haven't actually read the actual paper.

    3. Re:Great. So now all we need... by dintech · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder if it also correlates to how often you post on Slashdot. We don't know who you are AC, but we know when you'll strike next.

    4. Re:Great. So now all we need... by slartibartfastatp · · Score: 2

      Exactly. You can fit anything to a given set of data to show some sort of correlation

      Sounds like science to me.

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    5. Re:Great. So now all we need... by lightknight · · Score: 1

      We call that 'soft science,' as opposed to the 'hard science' variety.

      Guess which one scientists have in mind when they are talking about "understanding things?"

      And for a bonus point, guess which one politicians use when trying to craft a new law?

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    6. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually it's enough for them to develop the theory with only the subset of the data available. Then, when it's all nice and ready and fit for public consumption, as a final sanity check they can check if it works on the final bit of stashed, unanalyzed data. Of course, you can only do this once.

    7. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like junk science to me.

      Fixed that for you. The mathematical model looks exciting, but...

      n = 1

      No matching control (Difficult, but there are plenty of options for developing a convincing one). No significance.

      It won't just take one other instance to prove this hypothesis; it will take several. That's not saying it can't or won't be done. I'll be excited if they produce a solid paper from further experiments/ observations.

    8. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Hentes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly. This whole hypothesis is based on one data point alone. There were more than one serial killers, why did they try their hypothesis on just this one? Or was he the only one who fit in the equation?

    9. Re:Great. So now all we need... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      They need more than just another series of murders... They need to have all the murders (I.E. bodies found after a delay will skew the data) and have them correctly attributed to the proper murderer (both missing and extraneous murders will skew the data). I.E. someone like Gary Ridgeway or Ted Bundy will likely either escape detection entirely or have wildly incorrect predictions. Not to mention killers like BTK who stopped entirely...

    10. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Xacid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Someone's bound to take a stab at it sooner or later...

    11. Re:Great. So now all we need... by slartibartfastatp · · Score: 1

      And for a bonus point, guess which one politicians use when trying to craft a new law?

      I guess the same kind that alternative therapists use to cite. I shiver when I read the words "quantum physics" in non-physics contexts..

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    12. Re:Great. So now all we need... by yanyan · · Score: 1

      And all he has to do is completely mess up the statistics and he could make a killing!

    13. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mwahahahaha!

    14. Re:Great. So now all we need... by V.+P.+Winterbuttocks · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, sooner or later it takes a stab at YOU.

      P.S. Did you read that Wikipedia article? He was a total prick. I can't believe anyone allowed him to become a schoolteacher.

      ...his only sexual experience as a teenager was when he, aged 17, jumped on an 11-year-old friend of his younger sister and wrestled her to the ground, ejaculating as the girl struggled in his grasp. ...

      Chikatilo began his career as a teacher of Russian language and literature in Novoshakhtinsk. His career as a teacher ended in March 1981 after several complaints of child molestation against pupils of both sexes.

      [first documented murder...] On 22 December, Chikatilo lured a 9-year-old girl named Yelena Zakotnova to an old house which he had secretly purchased; he attempted to rape her, but failed to achieve an erection. When the girl struggled, he choked her to death and stabbed her body, ejaculating in the process of knifing the child...

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    15. Re:Great. So now all we need... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Haven't read the paper but from TFA it really seems that the study has a sample size of one. So, in terms of predicting anything about serial killers it seems utterly worthless. If murder patterns over dozens of serial killers showed a similar pattern to this it'd be pretty amazing.

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  4. Sounds like the dude... by niftydude · · Score: 0

    just needed to get laid often enough so that his neuronal activity stays below the 'killing threshold'.

    Sleeping with serial killers saves lives!

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    1. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Ben_R_R · · Score: 5, Funny

      Getting laid prevents serial killers? Suddenly I feel a lot less safe around here...

    2. Re:Sounds like the dude... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sleeping with serial killers saves lives!

      ... but not necessarily yours...

    3. Re:Sounds like the dude... by turing_m · · Score: 1

      I know you're trying for the funny but a lot of them are married or have girlfriends.

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    4. Re:Sounds like the dude... by mikael_j · · Score: 2

      True, but from what I've read about the topic (hey, serial killers are fascinating in their own morbid way) there are also plenty of them that seem to have turned to true crazy after spending many years as unwilling social outcasts.

      So to a small degree the parent poster may be sort of right, there might now somewhere out there be some guy who just happened to finally get laid and thanks to that he never snapped completely...

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    5. Re:Sounds like the dude... by niftydude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being married/having girlfriends does not imply getting laid. They can quite often be mutually exclusive sets. Some men are driven to drink, use drugs, post on slashdot in such situations. Others may be driven to commit homicide.

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    6. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      Suddenly Senior High doesn't sound like such a safe place...

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    7. Re:Sounds like the dude... by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Um, did you read anything on this guy? He couldn't get it up apparently, and that is what supposedly sent him into a rage. Dude was married, so ostensibly he had access to a woman, but if he couldn't get it up he couldn't get it up.....Not to mention you have killers like Ted Bundy who are incredibly charming(Bundy had something like 3 girlfriends at a time at some points in his life, dude even had women fawning over him AFTER they had learned he was a serial killer), but kill anyway......

    8. Re:Sounds like the dude... by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 1

      Exactly it's the wife's fault she drove me to it. Seriously though I jest.

    9. Re:Sounds like the dude... by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 2

      I'd rather post on /. than kill someone but than again the internet has never been down for more than a day. :) So who knows? Maybe /. is the glue that binds the serial killer community together. Me I like to drink and then post on /. and then get modded into oblivion for being a troll which makes me want to be a serial killer. And since the keyboard is mightier than the sword beware. I have a keyboard and I'm not afraid to use it.

    10. Re:Sounds like the dude... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And how precisely do you know that getting laid decreases neuronal activity?

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    11. Re:Sounds like the dude... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So to a small degree the parent poster may be sort of right, there might now somewhere out there be some guy who just happened to finally get laid and thanks to that he never snapped completely...

      As I would assume everyone on slashdot knows, you can get broadly the same physical release from masturbation as actually having sex. The profound psychological issues associated with being a serial killer won't suddenly vanish just because you get to come inside a woman instead of a tissue.

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    12. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can get broadly the same physical release from masturbation as actually having sex

      Shouldn't that be: you can get broadly the same physical release from sex as you can have from masturbation?

    13. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      There must be a minimal set of shared characteristics that join all /. posters together.
      I wonder what they are?

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    14. Re:Sounds like the dude... by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Lack of knowledge about the killer's neural activity is what he has in common with the researchers. So hush, we're doing science here. Science in the dark.

    15. Re:Sounds like the dude... by azalin · · Score: 2

      whatever it is, it's probably sticky and hip people wouldn't like to be seen near it

    16. Re:Sounds like the dude... by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 4, Funny

      And since the keyboard is mightier than the sword beware. I have a keyboard and I'm not afraid to use it.

      You own an IBM Model M keyboard?

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    17. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Captain+Hook · · Score: 1

      Thats what I was thinking, sex is more than just physical, it's also about a connection with another living being.

      Of course that connection can be good or bad, or even indifferent but it's still a connection.

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    18. Re:Sounds like the dude... by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      And since the keyboard is mightier than the sword beware. I have a keyboard and I'm not afraid to use it.

      You own an IBM Model M keyboard?

      A Model M is dangerous only if you have better upper body strength than the typical slashdotter.

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    19. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some men are driven to drink, use drugs, post on slashdot in such situations. Others may be driven to commit homicide.

      Some write Byzantine filesystems. Some do both.

    20. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Hentes · · Score: 1

      Tell that to Jack the Ripper.

    21. Re:Sounds like the dude... by renoX · · Score: 1

      > even had women fawning over him AFTER they had learned he was a serial killer

      That's not an indication of charm, as the "there's no bad publicity" goes, it 's quite likely that some guys have more success with woman after it is revealed that they are serial killers..

    22. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Spamalope · · Score: 2

      A Model M is dangerous only if you have better upper body strength than the typical slashdotter.

      Mine is balanced above the door. A type of trap.

    23. Re:Sounds like the dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't take it too badly but I think you might be missing something in sex.

    24. Re:Sounds like the dude... by rocket+rancher · · Score: 1

      Thats what I was thinking, sex is more than just physical, it's also about a connection with another living being. Of course that connection can be good or bad, or even indifferent but it's still a connection.

      huh? I don't feel any "connection" with the woman servicing my johnson, anymore than I feel a connection with the mechanic servicing my Ducati. Sex is friction, dude, anything else is pretty much just emotional baggage. It's a transaction, certainly, and it can even be a two way transaction, if the woman can let go of the emotional baggage and focus on the sex. Or are you female? (Unlikely in this forum, but possible.) If you are female, then yes, you (probably) think you need some kind of emotional attachment to get off, or so the kinseys would have us believe. I would think it would suck to be constrained like that. Sex is one of the great things about being human -- why anybody would let something like emotion get in the way of it is beyond me.

    25. Re:Sounds like the dude... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I know you're trying for the funny but a lot of them are married or have girlfriends.

      Actually, the getting laid thing is mostly bollocks. Many serial killers have trouble either forming, or maintaining a normal sexual relationship with women.

      If we look at most serial killers such as Berkowitz or Gacy, they had serious sexual deviancies. Gacy was married too, yet was still deviant (he was a Peado)

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    26. Re:Sounds like the dude... by tragedy · · Score: 1

      Despite what the commercials say, your body knows the difference between sugar and corn syrup.

      There's a reason why we have a sex drive. It fills an important reproductive function. Humans and other animals are full of all kinds of bits and pieces driving us to perform our reproductive functions. Orgasm is a neat little reward feedback mechanism, but it's far from the only part of the human sex drive. It's made up of all kinds of bits, some of them pure genetic programming, some shaped by environment. Sometimes they come together a bit differently and you get homosexuals which is pretty unsurprising considering that males and females are built on the exact same template with only minor differences. And sometimes you get your misanthropes who are disgusted by the thought of any human contact. You don't appear to actually be one though. So, if there's no difference between a woman and your hand, why do you ever bother with a woman at all? Surely it takes more effort for the same end result? If it's more sexually arousing, then there's that "connection" the GP was talking about. No need to read anything mystical into it.

    27. Re:Sounds like the dude... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Indeed. In fact, why on earth would you want the emotional baggage of relating to a human with actual feelings and real emotions when simple friction is enough to get you off?

      Some of us want a relationship with an actual human with actual feelings, though.

  5. so it was the mathamatician by spokenoise · · Score: 2

    in the library with the pencil

    1. Re:so it was the mathamatician by spokenoise · · Score: 1

      mathematician even!

  6. They have 1 data point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't they jumping the gun a bit?

    1. Re:They have 1 data point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good sir, allow me to nitpick.

      They have more than one data point. What they have is one data set.

      Thank you and good day.

    2. Re:They have 1 data point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they have 52 data points in one set... Their observations are only valid for this killer, but they propose that other killers may have smilar patterns based on underlying brain chemistry.

      The problem as I see it is that with other killers getting a data set large enough to be predictive means you've already let a dozen or more people get killed. Still, it's a matter of time before we see this on Criminal Minds right next to "the junk science of profiling." What's with the hate there anyway? Is there really so little empirical data to back up the theories, or is this just math nerds hating on a soft science?

    3. Re:They have 1 data point by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Good sir, allow me to nitpick.

      They have more than one data point. What they have is one data set.

      Thank you and good day.

      Since their model is designed to predict behavior, and it is based on past behavior of one individual, they have precisely one data point.
      The thing beind modeled is the pattern of time between killings. Nothing with the individual killings is being modeled.

  7. I've been in Rostov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and this shows why mathematical formulas are hard for this sort of thing. Does the formula take into consideration that living in a dead boring town with nothing except churches and no jobs or money might've given this nut little else to do? Maybe if this parasite was born in a big city he would've been more busy with work and murdered less frequently due to being preoccupied with other things?

    1. Re:I've been in Rostov by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 1

      Did someone ever account for the church/serial killer ratio? AC has a point.

    2. Re:I've been in Rostov by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Well it did give him plenty of victims, the dude, like most other serial killers he didn't select his victims "randomly", he mostly chose victims who he could get easy access to and whom very few people would miss if she "disappeared", i.e. runaways and prostitutes. In the more desolate areas of the (rich) world, these people can usually be found in spades....

  8. Be ready! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Minority Report is gonna be real!
    Not soon but it WILL be!

  9. What if... just... what if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    different people are... different?

  10. always some correlation to a single set of data by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you look hard enough you can always find some function that correlates to a single set of data. Like the analogy in a beautiful mind, you can find any pattern or picture in the stars if you look hard enough.

    1. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by Improv · · Score: 1

      The question in science has always been, "does it have predictive power?"

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    2. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by NoMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True. The power law, though, is a particularly dangerous and entrancing trap to fall in to. Almost everything in nature - from pure randomness to highly structured effects - can be fitted to a power law. You often don't even need to do any transformation of the data - simply choosing the wrong set of dependent and independent variables to examine can do it.

      My favourite goto whenever this subject comes up is the essay "So You Think You Have a Power Law - Well Isn't That Special?"

      That said, I haven't read the current paper. They might have been very careful to avoid the common traps. I won't know until I spend some time tomorrow reading it.

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    3. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'd be very surprised if the data doesn't point just as strongly to an exponential distribution. Phrases like "the psychotic affects, causing a serial killer to commit murder, arise from simultaneous firing of large number of neurons in the brain" sound a little bit hand-wavey to me.

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    4. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      That is what I am going to do, too - along with the umich.edu paper. I recently "found" a power law in some load- and performance testing data; I am suddenly growing suspicious of my own interpretation, which is always a Good Thing.

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    5. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by mhelander · · Score: 1

      It can if you reapply the trick of staring hard enough at the experiment output until you see the desired result.

    6. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by tgv · · Score: 1

      A bit hand-wavey? You're being kind. Large groups of neurons collaborating to trigger a single event have been proposed to model precise timing, e.g. in movement, and locking behavior has been observed for speeds in the order of 100Hz to 5Hz, but synchronization over such a long period of time? And large groups? You would think that would be totally impossible. It sounds like
      1. We don't know how a large group of neurons behave over long periods
      2. We don't know what triggers a serial killer
      3. ?
      4. Publication!

    7. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by pz · · Score: 1

      Whether the distribution is precisely power law or exponential really doesn't really matter that much. With only 52 data points and anything more than trivial noise in the data, every model is going to be an approximation, right?

      The bit of profound observation in the paper is surely that there is an aperiodic temporal pattern, and therefore a skewed distribution, that can be modelled with some accuracy. For one killer. And we all know, or should know, the dangers of generalizing from a single example.

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    8. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by glodime · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that link. I subscribed to the "Three-Toed Sloth" feed.

      I like the hopeful conclusion:
      "I trust that I will no longer have to referee papers where people use GnuPlot to draw lines on log-log graphs, as though that meant something, and that in five to ten years even science journalists and editors of Wired will begin to get the message. "

    9. Re:always some correlation to a single set of data by u38cg · · Score: 2
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  11. junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    catching a serial killer by focusing resources based on when and where he's likely to strike next is a hell of a lot better than relying on the junk science of behavioral profiling.

    I am so disappointed. This took all the fun out of "Silence of the Lambs" and a succession of TV shows

    1. Re:junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The ironic thing is that behavior profiling will produce far better information on a serial killer than their single set of data from one person that they've fit into a power law. What they have done is "junk science."

  12. Too little data, and not useful for prediction by mugurel · · Score: 3, Informative

    The 'murder probability' comes from a probability density function spanning three years, and is estimated from 53 data points, all from the same subject. That is hardly reliable.

    And if we take the sparsity of the data for granted, what is the conclusion? That the less frequently the murderer acts, the less likely he is to act, and vice versa. It is a descriptive model, you can not predict the time of the next murder with it.

    1. Re:Too little data, and not useful for prediction by azalin · · Score: 1

      What a fitting fortune cookie: Williams and Holland's Law: If enough data is collected, anything may be proven by statistical methods.

  13. Power law not usefully predictive in this case by Chuckstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the importance of what they found is overstated. The fact that a murderer's patterns fit a power law is not particularly helpful in really pinning down the time of the next murder. "The expected time of the next murder is a distribution of odds along this curve" is not particularly useful in trying to stop a single crime. Power laws are more useful predictors when applied across populations.

    While unlikely to ever be predictive, this result is more interesting from a more academic perspective. It could help illuminate what might be going on in the brain of a serial murderer. Learning how damaged brains function (or fail to function) has long been a means of studying how non-damaged brains may work.

    So this might provide some insight into how a compulsive thought builds up in the brain, but it's unlikely to ever allow a profiler to say "stake out this intersection on this night".

    1. Re:Power law not usefully predictive in this case by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      "The expected time of the next murder is a distribution of odds along this curve" is not particularly useful in trying to stop a single crime.
      [snip]
      ...it's unlikely to ever allow a profiler to say "stake out this intersection on this night".

      Probably not but combined with other information, such as victim profile, MO, knowing a likely area within a couple of suburbs and a time within a couple of months could well be enough for police run undercover operations. I'm sure it would be harder than just dropping down to the corner and picking the murderer up but the police know there will be more work involved than that, I'm sure.

    2. Re:Power law not usefully predictive in this case by brucmack · · Score: 1

      That is true, but it could potentially be useful in linking murders to the same killer, in cases where the link otherwise might not have been made.

    3. Re:Power law not usefully predictive in this case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, without realizing it, they have rather proved that a prediction is not possible. Here is why: If the inter murder times are in fact power distributed with an exponent of 1.4, as the authors claim, then the expected inter murder time has infinite variance (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law), which means in plain english that they have proved that it is not reasonable to expect a prediction to have any bounded error. So what they have found is exactly the contrary of what they claim.

      However, it is still open whether their hypothesis is really true. Their paper is on the level of "look how nicely that curve fits". This is precisely the muddy type of statistics that Karl Pearson tried to eliminate over 100 years ago when he laid the foundations to statistical hypotheses testing. Please, try again, you can do better.

      Also, they claim some obvious nonsense: they say that the probability that the murderer strikes again on day n after the last murder is 1/2n. But the sum of all those probabilities is essentially the harmonic series, which diverges, so that statement is simply wrong.

    4. Re:Power law not usefully predictive in this case by hardwarejunkie9 · · Score: 2

      This is exactly what I thought in this case. I immediately thought back to The Black Swan (Taleb's book, not the movie). There's a long discussion involving power laws. What most people don't realize about power laws is that a decimal of difference has quite a large effect. Besides, with comments about preventing these sort of things by allocating resources in advance to fit this power law you have to wonder if these authors understand the implications of sampling error. Even if this fits, it is a fairly small sample of one murderer. You would have to compare with other ones to see if there are any similarities and you would fall into validation issues for anyone who *doesn't* follow the same impetus for their murders. All in all, it serves to be something interesting but its quite useless for their stated application of prevention; if it's useful for anything, it's useful for analysis and understanding.

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    5. Re:Power law not usefully predictive in this case by 4ndys · · Score: 1

      What I think is interesting (and I'm not a scientist in any way) is that this has shown serial killers no to be killers 'just because', but due to a 'simultaneous firing of large number of neurons in the brain' which is 'similar to epileptic seizures'. People punish serial killers while trying to help epileptics by finding ways to control the underlying issue. While I am not trying to get into a debate on punishment vs. rehabilitation, I think that if it is possible to show what has been shown then it would make sense that the next step would be to try to understand how these simultaneous firings could be reduced/controlled. This *could* have the result of removing the need of the serial killer to kill in the first place.

    6. Re:Power law not usefully predictive in this case by jojoslashdot · · Score: 1

      100% agree

  14. Mathematical model of End of Earth. by sempir · · Score: 1

    I have one, however will not publish till final proof. I like to be accurate about these things.

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  15. This really isn't new to The Police by Plammox · · Score: 2

    Just watch this this.

  16. "junk science" of behavioral profiling by turing_m · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For behavioral profiling being a "junk science" they've had a lot of successes, and more success than this idea will ever yield (especially since it's so easily reverse engineerable, not to mention vague in its predictions). And the criticism coming from a criminal lawyer - well, I think the lady doth protest too much.

    The basic idea of profiling is to narrow a large search down into a smaller one. The basis of the idea that by studying known offenders and finding commonalities between them, you'll have a clue as to the sort of person a perpetrator will be given an arbitrary new crime. Now that enough information about profiling is out there, offenders can and do reverse engineer the profiling process to make it tougher for them to get caught (assuming they are smart enough to do so - many are not that smart). However, at the very least there will be certain things that they are compelled to do otherwise the crime is simply not interesting for them to do. And certain things they have to do to carry out their crimes which will give a clue as to who they are.

    The way I look at it, the people who study these particular criminals and offer advice for catching them are analogous to specialist doctors. For example, if you are trying to diagnose and treat some specialist skin condition that is very rare, you will have better results with a referral to a dermatologist than having the GP struggle and try to treat it as best he can.

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    1. Re:"junk science" of behavioral profiling by nyctopterus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, profiling has been seriously challenged, there's a nice New Yorker article about it, and several scholarly papers, Alison L and Rainbow L. eds (2011) 'Professionalizing Offender Profiling: Forensic and Investigative Psychology in Practice'. Routledge, London. The charge is that profiling is similar to astrology, make vague claims that could match a variety of scenarios, and pay attention when it fits, not when it doesn't.

      Like a lot of forensic techniques, it seems to have jumped from the theoretically plausible to practice, without going through the intermediate step of check that it works. "Junk science" may be a fair characterisation.

    2. Re:"junk science" of behavioral profiling by kale77in · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up. I don't know whether profiling works or not, but that final comment was certainly tacked on without justification.

      1. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. Reasonable statement. ... P.
      2. Therefore P.
    3. Re:"junk science" of behavioral profiling by lightknight · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The General Practitioner, however, does serve a purpose. He / She has general knowledge of a multitude of diseases, forming a kind of filter, that if he can't treat a disease, he can generally point you in the right direction (refer you to a specialist who may have better equipment / knowledge for a better diagnosis). If medical specialists are encyclopedic albums, then the General Practitioner typically serves the role of the index.

      You don't want to be treated by a dermatologist if you need an oncologist.

      And yes, profiling is a "junk science." The saying "You would not have seen, if you had not believed" applies here -> the number of laws on the books right now are sufficient to charge anyone with a crime, misdemeanor or felony. You give me a week, with some information about a person, I can find a law to have them put away for a few years. Open a phone book, pick a name at random from the White Pages, and through no artifice, I will find a way to have them charged.

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    4. Re:"junk science" of behavioral profiling by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      For behavioral profiling being a "junk science" they've had a lot of successes, and more success than this idea will ever yield

      I agree. It sounds to me like the author has an axe to grind.

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    5. Re:"junk science" of behavioral profiling by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      Citation needed. The last estimate I read was something like a 5% success rate. I used that to make fun of Criminal Minds tv show, which has a near 100% success rate. That's the way profilers want to be seen, but it doesn't work out like that. So if you have numbers, preferably in percentages rather than total successes with no context, that would be a good start.

    6. Re:"junk science" of behavioral profiling by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Citation needed. The last estimate I read was something like a 5% success rate. I used that to make fun of Criminal Minds tv show, which has a near 100% success rate. That's the way profilers want to be seen, but it doesn't work out like that. So if you have numbers, preferably in percentages rather than total successes with no context, that would be a good start.

      While I agree, CI doesn't have a 100% rate, but yeah a pretty darned unbelievable rate of like 99% or something. (They let one get away every now and again.)

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  17. Chikatilo the subject of a movie back then by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    Was this the one protrayed by Malcolm McDowell? I don't know if anyone here has seen that... I think he was the only recognizable one in that film.

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    1. Re:Chikatilo the subject of a movie back then by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      Do you mean Citizen X which starred Stephen Rea, Donald Sutherland, Max von Sydow?

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    2. Re:Chikatilo the subject of a movie back then by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Turns out mine is more recent, Evilenko http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0406754/

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  18. Just the data, ma'am, please.. by nmnilsson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh man, I get so bothered when someone presents interesting data - only to append a theory that isn't connected to it.
    Why is that? Don't you get to publish unless you have a theory, no matter how unrelated an implausible it is?
    Human sciences especially - it's understandable though, as it's hard to read people's minds.

    Neurons firing? Really?? Does fantasizing about objects we can actually see and touch suddenly make it science?
    If the study included brains scans or something, sure. But all they did was look at numbers.

    If you don't have a theory that's related to your study, just post your data and spare us your fantasies. Thank you.

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    1. Re:Just the data, ma'am, please.. by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they have stuck with a hypothesis of "the temporal pattern of serial killing will be aperiodic but display a power-law distribution?"

      Oh wait... they haven't analyzed enough data to support that conclusion either!

    2. Re:Just the data, ma'am, please.. by rwv · · Score: 1

      If you don't have a theory that's related to your study, just post your data and spare us your fantasies.

      Posting datasets and the theories that do NOT fit is also valid... though the publication should note that it's main purpose is to get the data out there and show that some work was done to "figure out" the data but no conclusions were drawn.

    3. Re:Just the data, ma'am, please.. by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      It would be great if you kept to one point on a rant. Generally, adding a theory does bother me, because in a lot of cases it seems very convoluted, and in many cases does not even follow from the data presented.

      You also seemed to attack the premise of neurons firing, suggesting it lacked credibility. I think this makes sense, in the same way as someone who takes anti-psychotic medication, then skips it for a while. In this case, killing takes the place of the medication, sating whatever imbalances or processes would normally exist. It is not a completely absurd theory.

      Does it follow from the research? Well, only if you add in the delay, and then you are fitting numbers to your theory. And I have found that typically these types of reports serve only one purpose. A pet theory proven with a single dataset. The report serves the purpose of getting more people to look at a problem and potentially see if they have any matching, or refuting, data.

      If mainstream reporting would prefix these by saying "... and one crazy scientist thinks..." maybe science wouldn't have the reputation of changing its mind so often. Or they could leave out the conclusion/theory part and just report on what was actually found. Either one would work. But the scientists won't stop doing it because that's the only way to get people talking.

  19. The Sudoku Killer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And in other news, police warn that the Sudoku killer will kill either 1, 4, or 9 victims next.

  20. Power-Law distributions in empirical data by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is the abstract of an article, "Power-Law distributions in empirical data" by Clauset et al (2009):

    "Power-law distributions occur in many situations of scientific interest and have significant consequences for our understanding of natural and man-made phenomena. Unfortunately, the detection and characterization of power laws is complicated by the large fluctuations that occur in the tail of the distribution—the part of the distribution representing large but rare events— and by the difficulty of identifying the range over which power-law behavior holds. Commonly used methods for analyzing power-law data, such as least-squares fitting, can produce substantially inaccurate estimates of parameters for power-law distributions, and even in cases where such methods return accurate answers they are still unsatisfactory because they give no indication of whether the data obey a power law at all. Here we present a principled statistical framework for discerning and quantifying power-law behavior in empirical data. Our approach combines maximum-likelihood fitting methods with goodness-of-fit tests based on the Kolmogorov-Smirnov statistic and likelihood ratios. We evaluate the effectiveness of the approach with tests on synthetic data and give critical comparisons to previous approaches. We also apply the proposed methods to twenty-four real-world data sets from a range of different disciplines, each of which has been conjectured to follow a powerlaw distribution. In some cases we find these conjectures to be consistent with the data while in others the power law is ruled out."

    So, I would recheck this guy's analysis.

  21. Next step... by oyenamit · · Score: 1

    Pickup the pattern of other randomly chosen serial killers and see if they also fit the same mathematical model.
    Only then this paper would be worth looking at.
    Frankly, I am surprised how they developed and published this model with just a single data point !

    1. Re:Next step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pickup the pattern of other randomly chosen serial killers and see if they also fit the same mathematical model.

      As any rational being will suspect, each killer will have its own "magic" constant. Waiting for the golden killer (constant equal to the golden ratio).

  22. Obvious problem? by RogueSounds · · Score: 1

    I wonder how they got their hands on the brain activity data of a serial killer in action?

    1. Re:Obvious problem? by azalin · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Matrix shared it's data with them. *cough*

    2. Re:Obvious problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wonder how they got their hands on the brain activity data of a serial killer in action?

      They didn't. They "assume" it may be the same as epilepsy based on a 1879 (yes, 1879) book by a criminologist called Lombroso who believe that crime was caused by hereditary defects or the 'reversed' evolution of some populations. While discredited by later work, it remained a favourite source for people who wanted reasons to believe certain populations were inherently criminal or defective, in order to justify exterminating or sterilising them (along with the disabled).

      However, Lombroso [5] long ago pointed out a link between epilepsy and criminality. A link between epilepsy and psychosis had been also established [6]. Thus, one may speculate that similar processes in the brain may lead to both epileptic seizures and serial killings.

      While I am not a very 'politically correct' person, I believe that scientific papers should avoid making grossly offensive comparisons (even as 'speculation') about disabled people unless they can produce solid evidence and references less than 130 years old.

      They then develop a model of neurons firing that they already know analytically will produce a power law and do a numerical simulation to show it produces a power law.

      They then plot the simulation against the data on a log-log graph and claim they are similar, although there is no actual statistical analysis in the paper. Also, to me they don't actually look that similar, other than both having heavy tails. This is the attempt to comment on the central claim of their thesis:

      Figures 2-3 show the results of these simulations. They decently agree with the experimental data.

      There is no attempt to consider other possible models such as exponential etc. There is no comparison with datasets from other serial killers.

    3. Re:Obvious problem? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      great points. thank you for posting this; it saved me some time.

      although identifying "power law" with "my pet theory" is the worst of their sins (there are many reasons to have a power law), their technical methods are poor as well. i recommend [http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/491.html] for an accessible read about how obvious and accepted methods break down when dealing with power laws.

      i was going to say that he was a young person desperate for publications (the more sensational the better), but looking at his vita i see the situation is even worse: he's a former physicist. i think he might actually believe what he's writing.

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  23. That seems backwards by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    Given any dataset, you can come up with a formula that would match it.

    That doesn't mean though that if they tried doing this back when he was on his 3rd or even 20th murder, they'd have managed to come up with something useful.

    1. Re:That seems backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we could predict the likelihood of a future event based on some mathematical model of the past, we would all be stockbrokers. What could possibly go wrong?

    2. Re:That seems backwards by BlueTrin · · Score: 1

      That is what this man did for a very long time: Jim Simons

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    3. Re:That seems backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, of course it is backwards.

      The whole point of using data from a caught serial killer is that you didn't have data back when he was on his 3rd murder. If you know someone has killed 3 people, you lock him him up so he can't kill again. You didn't know. You just knew these 3 people were dead. Furthermore, you didn't even know there was a serial killer on the loose: you could be looking at 3 independent murders and trying to find 3 independent murderers.

      A useful algorithm is one that goes through that list of homicides and, first of all, flags murders which were committed by a serial killer. A useful algorithm will then indicate which were likely committed by the same person, and begin to build a profile of how this person operates; who the targets are, where they're found, where and how they're killed and disposed of; when and how the killer moves them, if they're moved; what time the killer strikes and what prompts him/her to do so; etc. You have to figure out how the killer thinks. All of which, of course, is much harder to do.

      To find a serial killer, you first have to know that one exists. Some guy who, in the heat of the moment, walks over to his neighbor's house, rings the doorbell, waits, and then puts a load of 12-gauge buckshot through it, is a murderer, but he had a fairly high probability of getting caught on his first murder. A serial killer will be much harder to find.

      Acknowledging that a serial killer exists, though, is sort of like saying there's a wasp in the room. Police don't do it until they're very certain of it. Sure, they have their homicide divisions sorting through homicides and trying to find patterns, but they'll keep things hush-hush about it even if they suspect someone. You don't want random men getting pepper sprayed by panicked women who jump at any male who casts a shadow under a streetlight.

  24. I see! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So all it takes to profile a serial killer is, well, build a regression model upon a small sample of, let's say, 50 slayings. Hooray statistics - real science!

  25. Serenity in murder? by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 0

    Thats just messed up. Why not get off by taking up skydiving, mountain biking, or bungee jumping off the Macau tower? He must have had a pretty f*** up upbringing (in addition to genes the somehow didn't checksum). Oh yeah, in Soviet Rusia it would be hard to leave the USSR or even know about such "bourgoise" activities...

  26. BBT is horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The laugh track completely kills it.
    It seems to aim for somewhat intelligent jokes and at the same time insults its audience by telling it when to laugh.

    1. Re:BBT is horrible by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      No, no, it's the jokes that kill it. Try watching it without the laugh track (there are clips on youtube) - it's just not funny.

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      Brain surgery - it's not rocket science!
    2. Re:BBT is horrible by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      There is no laugh track. They just film in front of a studio audience.

      You don't find it funny, which is fine. Clearly the people in the audience do - which is also fine.

    3. Re:BBT is horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep hearing people say this about the BBT laugh track and disagree. The problem with watching it without the laughs is that there is a lot of dead air, they say a joke, I chuckle, it's quiet for a moment as the actors awkwardly wait for the laughing to stop, and that awkward silence really kills it. Who cares if a laugh track is important to the show? If it makes me laugh I'm content. I completely understand not liking it though, the first time I saw it I found all the characters pretty caustic but it grew on me.

    4. Re:BBT is horrible by djl4570 · · Score: 2

      But without the laugh track the viewers wouldn't know when someone uttered a punchline.

  27. North Korea by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Makes you wonder if this might be fertile ground for (non-government sanctioned) serial killers as well, given that people no doubt disappear all the time and no one is foolish enough to ask about them. Chikatilo might turn out to be a piker.

  28. junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like the way most people do statistics?

    1. Take a hard science like math.
    2. Add a bunch of highly subjective parameters and tweak them until you get the results you want.
    3. ......
    4. Profit!

  29. Brain pacemakers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words, give a criminal a brain pacemaker and he will never commit crimes again.

  30. 1 guy by wisnoskij · · Score: 3

    You don't build a statistical model off of a single person.

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  31. Lolwut? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    First of all, data from one sample does not a statistical analysis make.

    Second of all, the curve doesn't even fit all that well. There is significant error in most of the points.

  32. Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand how or why so many people fuck up the word "effect." Affect doesn't even sound right when it's used improperly. There is no similarity in definition between the two. Just a similar sound.

    Fucking idiots. Slashdot = stagnant.

  33. Psychopaths by symes · · Score: 2

    I don't know if Chikatilo was a psychopath, anyhow, psychopaths seem to enjoy hurting others and are usually pretty smart. There is a secure institution where a buch of psychopaths managed to get hold of the manual for a well known profiling instrument that, effectively scored psychopathology from 0 to 40. They then had t-shirts printed with just "Perfect 40" on them. Point being that once something is public knowledge the kinds of people who engage in this kind of activity are likely to pay attention and work to throw predictive algorithms off, simply because they would gain a great deal of satisfation doing so.

    1. Re:Psychopaths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I upmodded you but I want a link to this story of yours.

    2. Re:Psychopaths by symes · · Score: 1

      I know people who work at the institution in question - I would be surprised if there was a link to it

  34. How Many Deaths for a Sufficient Data Set? by Koreantoast · · Score: 3

    This is nice and all, but how many people need to be killed by a serial killer in order to get a sufficient data set to mathematically model his killing pattern?

    1. Re:How Many Deaths for a Sufficient Data Set? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Well, isn't any number less than the number he would have killed had he been allowed to die of natural causes, by definition, an improvement?

      The tool is what it is, if it is anything, of course. Leaving aside whether this may actually be meaningfull, the attempt here is to figure out how to apportion resources towards actually catching a serial killer. You have to consider it in that context. These crimes are happening, and will continue to happen, whether anything is done or not. There are limits to the resources that can be put in all "crime fighting" activities.

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  35. How to derive location though? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    knowing a likely area within a couple of suburbs and a time within a couple of months could well be enough for police run undercover operations.

    It sure could.

    I saw no indication even IF they could predict when a murderer might strike next, they would have any idea whatsoever as to location.

    I see no useful narrowing down at all even if they manage to refine the technique.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:How to derive location though? by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      I was just going by what this guy said in the summary: 'Stats can't tell you who the perp is, but they're getting better and better at figuring out where and when the next crime might happen,' writes criminal lawyer Nathaniel Burney

      Since I couldn't even be bothered to read TFA, I predict that I won't bother to verify if and how they are doing this :)

  36. Terabytes of Tivo To Go content by Tekfactory · · Score: 1

    So I have had half a dozen Tivos, lots of them have been networked on my home LAN. I have several 2 Tb drives on my home machine, after Tivo Desktop pulls the shows, I have VideoRedo automatically mark the commercials, cut them and then dump another file in MPEG format sans commercials for long term archiving.

    Content Producers get paid by networks, networks get paid by advertisers. I pay Comcast a large sum of money every month for content, they in turn pay networks for access to that content. The Content Producer gets no cut of the Comcast money, but he's already been paid to produce a show carried on a major network. Whenever that stops being enough, the Producers will move to other businesses or start another business model like making content directly for Netflix for Amazon.

  37. Matches the experience of addiction exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have battled pornography addiction for many years. I go OK for a week, and then it starts to get a bit easier, then I go for several weeks, and it gets more difficult. Eventually I crack. Then I "use" several times over a few days, and the cycle starts again.

    Substitute "porn use" for "murder" in this, and I know the feeling..

    The basis of their analysis is the hypothesis that 'similar to epileptic seizures, the psychotic affects, causing a serial killer to commit murder, arise from simultaneous firing of large number of neurons in the brain.' In modeling the behavior the authors didn't find that 'the killer commits murder right at the moment when neural excitation reaches a certain threshold. He needs time to plan and prepare his crime so they built delay into their model. The killings eventually have a sedative effect, pushing the neuronal activity below the 'killing threshold' – which is why there are large intervals of time between groups of murders.

    The "delay" they discuss, due to time needed to plan and prepare, could also be attributed to resisting the urge, until it becomes too much.

    And, just in case their are any vigilantes here, my porn is strictly legal, even "normal". I just wish I didn't need it.

    A twelve step program is helpful, but I'm still struggling.

  38. Citizen X by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

    Incidentally, there was a pretty decent movie with Stephen Rea and Donald Sutherland about the hunt for Chikatilo called Citizen X.

  39. this too is profiling... by wherrera · · Score: 3

    Sorry, but, hand-waving at neurons to justify the power law they found is none the less also....

    "relying on the junk science of behavioral profiling"

  40. murdered less frequently? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

    Is there an acceptable frequency for murder? Does it grow more acceptable as its frequency is lower?

    Sometimes, some mathematicians scare me.

  41. format/time shifting is piracy, not fair use... by rocket+rancher · · Score: 1

    Really? you don't see the difference? assuming you aren't a troll, what are you not getting? When you get content from your Tivo -- like say, a season of Numb3rs from Netflix, to kinda stay on topic -- the studios were compensated by Netflix. fwiw, Netflix paid over US $2B in licensing fees for the content they provided in 2011, and they will be paying 10X that amount in 2012. In contrast, the studios received zero compensation from the thief that provided you a torrent of that same season of Numb3rs. This is not rocket science, dude -- you do understand that copyright owners are entitled to compensation when somebody produces a COPY of a copyrighted work, right? If you don't understand this basic concept, you might as well stop reading now.

    Also, why are you are trying to make a distinction between a performance and the COPY of a performance? It is a distinction without legal merit. Copyright holders are entitled to compensation for the use of their copyrighted work whether it is for a live one-time performance, but also if the copyrighted work is ever COPIED for any reason, like for rebroadcast. That is why it's called the copyright -- you don't have the right to copy it if you don't own the copyright.

    And while it may be true that "most people" don't call time- and format-shifting piracy, the courts in the US have a very different opinion when it comes to copyrighted content on a DVD. Under the fair use doctrine, there exist specific, limited exceptions to the exclusive nature of the copyright, and in Universal v. Sony Corp, time-shifting was found to be fair use, but if you try to offer fair use as a defense for being caught in possession of say, a torrented season of Numb3rs that you format-shifted to your iPhone so that you could watch it in the morning on the bus on your way to work, you *will* lose, and you will (rightfully) be called a thief for the rest of your life.

    1. Re:format/time shifting is piracy, not fair use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the studios received zero compensation from the thief that provided you a torrent of that same season of Numb3rs

      No. I'm sorry, that's just wrong. If you're picking nits, at least pick the right ones. They did receive compensation from him. A non-zero amount of it. Just not the compensation they wanted.

      In order to pirate it, someone somewhere sometime must have legally had access to it; therefore, they received compensation for him to watch it. They did not receive the compensation required for him to redistribute it, but they received some compensation. Some != zero.

      a torrented season of Numb3rs that you format-shifted to your iPhone

      That is also wrong. Downloading a torrent of the .mp4 is not format-shifting, even if you own the DVD set already. Torrenting is making a copy of a copy that you don't own, i.e. piracy. Actual format-shifting is never piracy. Format-shifting is making a copy of a copy that you do own.

      Format-shifting is taking your copy and shifting it into a different format. It is not "I have this already in one format, but it's not the format that I prefer, so I'm going to make a copy of someone else's copy which is already in the format that I prefer".

      and you will (rightfully) be called a thief for the rest of your life

      No, that's wrongfully. Copying != theft. You will rightfully be called a violator of copyright law.

  42. Typical addiction behaviour. by mykro76 · · Score: 1

    This seems to be a re-interpretation of what is essentially addiction behaviour. When I'm obssessed with a game I'll play it for several nights in a row until my interest is sated, then I won't touch any games for a long period of time.

    1. Re:Typical addiction behaviour. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have struggled with some more serious addictions than gaming, and when I read the article this was the first thing that occcurred to me, ie. that this is a model of addictive behaviour.

      similar to epileptic seizures, the psychotic affects, causing a serial killer to commit murder, arise from simultaneous firing of large number of neurons in the brain.' In modeling the behavior the authors didn't find that 'the killer commits murder right at the moment when neural excitation reaches a certain threshold. He needs time to plan and prepare his crime' so they built delay into their model. The killings eventually have a sedative effect, pushing the neuronal activity below the 'killing threshold' – which is why there are large intervals of time between groups of murders.

      I hope that these guys are onto something which can eventually be used to understand and treat addictions.