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Anonymous Posts Audio of Intercepted FBI Conference Call
DrDevil writes "A member of the computer hacking group Anonymous has hacked into a telephone conference between the FBI and Scotland Yard (London Police) and posted it on the internet. The Daily Telegraph has a comprehensive article on the hack. The audio of the call can be heard here." Reader eldavojohn snips as well from the AP's story as carried by Google: "Those on the call talk about what legal strategy to pursue in the cases of Ryan Cleary and Jake Davis — two British suspects linked to Anonymous — and discuss details of the evidence gathered against other suspects."
If Anonymous can listen to FBI calls then they'll certainly know when the FBI will be coming to kick down their door.
This will really piss off the FBI and it will be the political motivation for the FBI to pull out all the stops to find members of Anonymous.
Seems to me a clever FBI/Scotland Yard, could take advantage of that to find their listeners.
If nothing else I expect they'll be a bit more careful now, which could be a good thing. Anonymous likes to brag about accomplishments .. more insidious people have no desire to make it known they are tapping in.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
If the government can listen to our calls (without a warrant) then why can't we listen to theirs?
Based on the vague discussion details and how the FBI sent out an email with the conference call number and password, it sounds more likely to be a setup by the FBI to lure Anon into the call so they could glean more location data off of them.
Anonymous aren't heroes. They're the worst type of vigilantes, who in their own minds are drunk with power. They're the internet equivalent of a mob of Molotov-cocktail tossing anarchists who burn things down because it's fun to do. They rationalize their behavior any way they can, and I imagine the replies to this comment will be to do the same. Now they're being apprehended and I'm supposed to feel sorry for them?
...as some idiot climbs the fence to the bear exhibit so they can cuddle with the huge teddy tear. You just know it's not going to end well.
Anon can't stay one step ahead forever.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
lol the fbi and scotland yard aren't shit compared to some of these hackers. bring it on, the feds will lose every single time.
After all, if what amounts to a few script-kiddies can get this deep into confidential material, how much more material can a determined, knowledgeable, and well-funded adversary get?
http://idle.slashdot.org/story/12/02/03/1537237/chinese-boy-claims-to-have-cat-like-night-vision
and now this... The truth is out there?
And that's why I always insist that we use the cone of silence.
The gun is mightier than the keyboard, my friend
Trolling, or just stupid?
If any organization or group deserves power, it's because they're doing good things with it. Pretty sure beating your defenseless prisoners doesn't qualify.
"Anonymous is a dangerous threat to national security. They can even listen in on phone calls on secure lines. We must have mandatory validated identification of all users of the Internet and an end to anonymity to protect our secret operations."
Let's see them try doing this to the zetas.
Yeah, I bet thats what all those Syrian keyboard warriors thought until a paramilitary put a bullet through them.
Haha, thanks for the lift. I really needed a good laugh this morning.
Imagination drew in bold strokes, instantly serving hopes and fears, while knowledge advanced by slow increments...
False flag or whatever.
If the FBI was on to them, and they had a snooping access... why the hell would they reveal so? Their life could depend on this source of info.
It's not the kind of thing anyone would waste on a stunt.
Call me paranoid, but Anonymous is the next step in the "terrorism" sham. Terrorists were a great formless, nameless, infinite source of fear out of borders. Anon is great for in-borders.
If I were part of your spook governments, and my job was to keep you frightened and under surveilance, I'd be putting all the firewood I could into Anonymous' fire.
The best way, "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for." -Socrates.
Just try to use a method that keeps actual information hidden away, until you can detect intrusion,
and do like everyone else does: work from there.
In public, government is angry, vengeful, and "determined" to "fix" the issue. Behind the curtains, they are celebrating a new justification for yet even more revenue and yet even more power over the people.
These situations are assets to the business of government, not liabilities.
You're not in the business of government, are you?
It's sure as hell not mightier than the public, though.
i know a good place that sells spectacular postals. i can cut you a deal.
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I don't know....I have a Model M.
This just shows what a bunch of clueless morons Anonymous is.
They perform a brilliant bit of counter-intel and gained an upper-hand by finding a way to exploit the FBI and eavesdrop on their conversations.
And what do they do with this victory? Do they send the FBI tripping over itself on an internal mole-hunt by going to the media with a tiny bit of this info explained as "information leaked by a source within the FBI?". Do they patiently sit and gather more intel, maybe useful information to help them evade arrest or gather bits of public interest in other cases for later use?
No, they broadcast it to the world with details on how they did it, all but going to the FBI and closing the weakness themselves.
These jerkoffs have shown once and for all that they are just a bunch of egotistical little shits who are indeed just in it for the lulz and "street cred".
I doubt we'll see anything come of Anonymous aside from more LOIC attacks, credit card thefts and web page vandalism.
They've shown all the intelligence and finesse of a group of anarchistic thugs.
The military disagrees. That is why they invest so much is disinformation and digital propaganda campaigns. Type the right things on a keyboard in the right places and you can have thousands of people who don't even know you exist independently choose to use guns in a way that serves your agenda.
This basically means, anonymous is no joke. if they can intercept this, they can intercept even more delicate and dirty stuff and release them.
this seems to be both a feat, and a threat/prodding stick. ...........
not that governments did not have it coming though. as many of you said, they listen to every one of us, and yet dont tell us shit. well, someone does that for us now. im sure they are rabid about these new 'terrorists'. talk about 'by the people for the people'.
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I understand the, sometimes essential, role of authoritarian revenge fantasies in the masturbatory process of a certain sort of person; but are you seriously suggesting that the overt use of extrajudicial violence is actually a sensible response to a group motivated by the position that the powers-that-be are unaccountable and deeply corrupt?
There isn't the slightest question about where the 'real power' lies; but surely dealing with suspected violators of various computer crime laws, against which you have evidence, and toward which the public doesn't have much sympathy, should be about the easiest place to get the desired result and keep the moral high ground, no?
So do I!
Well it's a M9A1, but yep Steyr Model Ms are fantastic.
No leet skillzzzz required.
When Anonymous does it: good. When News Corp does it: bad.
Selective outrage certainly is a useful propaganda tool, isn't it?
Love the big brass ones that these guys have. I don't agree with much of their agenda, but really have to admire their tenacity in the face of serious opposition. Impressive stunt.
"If the only tool that you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." Donny Rumsfeld
Is Hooray. What a dump for the Hoover's and Peel's plonkers.
Secret policemen are the enemy of Democracy and Liberty. Freedom cannot be defended by means of surreptious authority.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
imagine someone intercepting the calls of some industry execs doing shitty dealings with government and posting them online.
imagine hollywood goons pushing government bureaucrats or representatives/senators to do shitty stuff for them for their expense in a backroom, in all the dirty, non politically correct language those backrooms tend to have, and post them online.
imagine this happened before sopa was killed........ there wouldnt even be a day of protest needed to kill sopa.
or, nuclear industry pressuring government to play with statistics to keep dangerous old plants running........ ..........
see, this is why they want to censor internet. and, they would do this regardless of what we, as the people did. because, it was certain that, someone (anonymous or not, or even a single dutiful citizen or some repenting low level govt. bureaucrat) could post these online some day.
thats why they have been running all kinds of schemes to censor internet. and how they would not stop if there wasnt anyone (leave aside anon) doing these. they NEED internet censored so such things can be averted.
these stuff, should be happening through the hands of the government itself. transparency, remember? where is it ? NOWHERE. and those who attempt to provide that transparency, are now 'terrorists'. ........
we are fighting a very battle for the soul of the internet, free speech, and transparency. and it is happening here and now. we should do everything in our power to prevent censorship, sopa, acta, pipa, schmogga, whatever. its a 'we should fight in the landing grounds, and in the hills' situation. we should never surrender.
this is not the fight of anonymous. this is our fight, which we have not been fighting yet. we must fight it, to not lose what we hold dear ; internet.
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It's sure as hell not mightier than the public, though.
As long as double cheeseburgers are 99 cents, I don't think most of the public can be motivated to do much of anything.
I don't know....I have a Model M.
Mod parent up. The Model M is an exceptional keyboard - arguably it could be used to deflect bullets, or possibly serve equally as well as a riot shield: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard
You know, I never did trust cows.
Evidience? Sources? Cites? Or does talking out of your ass feel good?
Well first, they'd been bragging about being able to access the FBI's communications for some time, apparently.
And second, you can't exactly keep Anonymous exploits secret. That's why when an operation requires secrecy they split off little private groups like LulzSec.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
They're apparently much smarter than you are.
The FBI is what it is because it outwardly appears to operate effectively. If you can demonstrate well enough that it is not effective it will be dismantled either through staffing changes or actual full-on dismantling.
You don't try to tie up the FBI's time, because it will just cost the tax payer more money. You throw egg in it's face as often as you possibly can until it's a laughing stock and must be replaced/removed in order to save face.
Again, clearly much smarter than you
See: Libya. Syria.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
I don't think anyone ever said they were in it for anything other than the lulz. lulz.
future guns are controlled by keyboards
my sig pwns your sig
Invoking "Godwin's Law" is tantamount to accusation of "ThoughtCrime".
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Because that's how power works: do as I say, not as I do. As long as government exists, inequality must exist.
Inequality is nothing less than the core foundation and first prerequsite of political power (a special "right" to employ coercion as a business model). Where coercion is present, equality is not.
It is poor tradecraft to reveal an adversary's weakness if you plan to continue to exploit it.
The Moore-Murphy Law: The number of things that will go wrong will double every 2 years.
In good speaking, should not the mind of the speaker know the truth of the matter about which he is to speak?
-- Plato
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Better anarchistic thugs than authoritarian thugs.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
its on the youtubes now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryq1v-cLHrk
It amuses me how conspiracy theorists and other anti-government figures claim that current governments are always just one step away from martial law or fascism (or, more often, how they've already been there for centuries), about how they're gleefully abusing our rights, mistreating us on an inhumane scale, or the usual overused go-to phrase, "raping us all in the ass". They always say that the government are bloodthirsty, amoral, self-indulging quasi-human entities that wouldn't think twice about "disappearing" us to further their own political goals and how they're getting more and more brash in their actions, like they don't care what we think at all.
And then they turn around and claim that "the public" saying mean things about them on a computer will somehow stop all this from happening. That a well-armed, apparently cartoonishly evil government would, for some as-yet-unexplained reason, suddenly give up if the public whines about them, and not, say, just start slaughtering all detractors and anyone else in their apartment complex/neighborhood as a means of controlling dissent. That writing strongly-worded (STRONGLY-worded, mind you) letters would stop the bombs and bullets headed towards the public and restore peace and tranquility and then Jesus would come back or something.
And people wonder why it's so fun to troll places like these. Carry on! Suuuuure, the gun is mightier than the public, buddy! Keep on believing that your evil evil evil government will arbitrarily stop exactly short of your passive-aggressive revolution ideas!
You have no idea how long they've been listening. Maybe they waited until the FBI found out they were being monitored and closed the hole to release anything? Please stop posting.
Guns merely use fear, a suppressant. In the right condition the keyboard/pen can cause ignition in the masses. One hose can suppress countless sparks, but all it takes is the fight one for something to begin.
The problem is that something can be anything. We have to sort through the ashes to find out if it was good, bad, or either.
by Anonymous Coward: I, for one, welcome the shift from car analogies to pizza analogies. um.. overlords?
maybe they found the keys to an NSA-required backdoor in some Cisco equipment.
I have mixed feelings on this story.
Part of me worries that things like this will make the government find ways to make repeats of this more difficult to occur. I fear the wrath of government will overly legislate and take over the internet.
Part of me wonders- for every act like this we know of- how many go on behind the scenes.
Yet part of me feels relieved that there are people who CAN hack the government because it acts as a safety check on the government. When it is impossible to sneak around behind the governments back then that allows corruption to sneak into government.
I don't know that if I found a way to hack the FBI I'd be bragging about it online- although it should bring up an important caution to them. If Anonymous can listen in to FBI conference calls- China almost certainly can.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Entertainment is becoming increasingly vital to the American proletariat - the more idiotic and banal, the better - in order to take their mind off the fact that their lives are devoid of meaning and their country is for all practical purposes fascist. Massive amounts of anti-anxiety meds are vital to blocking out this pain as well. They are most willfully - even fanatically - Neutral, for that is all they can do to maintain their sanity.
"You are anonymous"
I am not Anonymous.
I'm not even a squad, let alone a Legion.
It may look like I forgive.
But really I just forget.
Don't expect me because I'll probably oversleep.
am i alone in thinking... that anonymous only hide their faces because they are grotesquely ugly?
And you really think that's going to work? You really think the US government is going to go "aw shucks, some hackers got us, time to shutter the FBI?" You really think it won't be the direct opposite reaction, where the FBI clammers that it needs more funding for cyber security and Senators go "well no shit, you just got hacked?" Can I have some of whatever it is you are smoking?
Let's pretend for a moment that your drug-induced worldview actually comes to fruition. By some incredibly strange twist of fate, the US Government goes "that's the last straw FBI! You're done!" You believe that this will not simply result in the creation of some new agency with identical function, or the expansion of an existing agency to fulfill that identical function? You think there are enough congressmen and senators who think the FBI is worthless and unworthy of funding but who can't be bothered to save the country billions of dollars a year by closing it until some loose collection of hackers embarrasses it a few times?
I don't know, I'm having an awfully hard time figuring out how the hell you can believe the things you seem to believe, much less believe it so strongly and so smugly that you would insult somebody else's intelligence over it. Then again you haven't shared the drugs yet, so that probably explains it.
This *may* be a brilliant move if Anonymous actually has any other form of access--and candidly, I wouldn't put it past some of the clever bastards among them.
This announcement follows in the footsteps of a young Julian Assange--if you've ever read his manifesto (and it really is one)--you may recall his goal is not to hack the system, but to run a DOS on the social network itself.
The goal of wikileaks and things among that was to really target the OWS 1%/elite/shadow-government/jews/those-in-power/insert-your-conspiracy-of-choice here...
(I make no judgement as to the validity of any of this. The point is if you believe there exists a conspiracy, then it must by definition have secrets and secret members)
And to leak their dirty laundry in public. Not to cause outcry--but to cause those doing things in secret to fear discussing their secrets with one another.
Assange wanted to make the simple act of cooperation...frightening. By attacking the communications & social networks, he sought to undermine the ability to collaborate (I think he called it conspire) among the perceived powers.
Wikileaks successfully weakened US diplomatic credibility in dozens of nations. It did even worse to many other governments, some of which no longer exist.
Anonymous releasing what they did may very well undermine cooperation between the FBI & Scotland Yard--effectively weakening the both of them. I don't think it'll cause an "Egyptian Spring" in their relationship -- but somebody somewhere is wondering if their next conference call between special-agent smith and detective macdonald is really necessary.
I can understand you may feel Anonymous is clueless. And some of the leakers may very well be. But this move could have been a brilliant little coupe that will impede both investigations.
Better anarchistic thugs than authoritarian thugs.
No, not really. That's a false choice. How about "Neither"?
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
If you can demonstrate well enough that it is not effective it will be dismantled either through staffing changes or actual full-on dismantling.
And how well is that strategy working for other agencies?
The TSA has been a publicly ostracized failure of epic proportions for more than a decade now, and they have more than just "a little egg on their face." Between not once catching a terrorist, systematically failing penetration tests, groping our women, harassing our elders, stealing our personal effects, and giving us cancer, we've seen little to no action against them.
Government agencies do not possess the capacity to be embarrassed, and they are too entrenched to be dismantled.
Or, it's brilliant.
Let's say Anon managed to through some one-time gap (ie a sympathetic insider, perhaps) managed to get the login details to this one conference. It's meaningless, because they can't repeat the success.
However, if they leak it:
- heads roll at the FBI
- everyone's walking on eggshells because of management fury
- everyone's required to use full-secure protocols and resources for the stupidest trivial conversations
- FBI still doesn't know who leaked it, so begins witchhunt which consumes resources, and makes everyone nervous.
I think it's probably a one-off, parlayed into a fairly clever bit of system-attack.
You know, like a single coordinated unrepeatable multiplane hijacking could theoretically cause an entire country to be consumed by paroxysms of paranoia for more than a decade, leading to absurd legislation, efficiency costs for hundreds of millions of people, as well as actual TRILLIONS of dollars of waste.
Right?
-Styopa
Especially with the incredible shelf life of cheeseburgers these days: http://www.healthiertalk.com/4-year-old-mcdonalds-cheeseburger/
of course its just for the lulz, its ALWAYS JUST FOR THE LULZ
Dont you get it?
.. as long as it can beat other currencies on the double cheeseburger index.
They just need to avoid conference calls on unvetted conference systems, and in the clear networks, to organize this. I suspect they have figured this out by now.
They are a massive government organization. The cannot encrypt every line and communication system anymore than Microsoft can. Probably even less so, in that they get government funding.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence - Napoleon
I do like open flow of information, but it seems to me that Anonymous would be better off not letting the intel agents know that they were able to listen in on their conversations. No doubt the agents increased their security after learning of this. Anonymous might have been able to listen into more conversations before releasing. Unless, of course, Anonymous released this after the agents found out about the breach already.
Strange women, lying about in ponds, is no basis for a system of government.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
The fact that you truly believe that you believe everyone is so horribly weak minded and powerless as you is amusing.
Thank god we aren't all so submissive.
Wendy's got rid of my favorite $0.99 Double Stack. BURN THEM!!!
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
tl;dr
So what does that say about the big strong law enforcers that just got pw0ned by them?
Especially when they hand out swords....
example 1 of the public:
SOPA/PIPA protests
example 2:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120203/01072617645/watch-out-widespread-protests-against-acta-spreading-across-europe.shtml
The government may be lazy and try to just stick behind what makes them money, but going after the internet is not going to simply pass by with passive aggressiveness nor has it.
Is not comprised of intelligent, capable people. It is comprised of sycophants, and those who enable them. It does, however, possess unlimited resources, nearly unlimited power to invade every area of life, and they can, if necessary, send evil men in dark clothing to kill you and your family.
As such, they are a real threat to life and liberty, but one that can be defeated if their opponents are creative and can shut the hell up about their vulnerabilities until they strike the coup de grace.
Please plan accordingly.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
Sounds fake.
Does anyone recognize the recorded voice prompting the login at the begining? It is not the usual atonal female voice.
Also the phone went from that pre-recorded voice directly to the call. The parties already conferenced in would hear the tone announcing a new party joining. The usual respose you hear in these meetings is "who just joined?" Yo hear this tone at about 5:03 when 'Jim' dials in.
The recording seems to start with Bruce, as if recorded from Bruce dialing in. There are two quick join tones very near the start. Could be on hold waiting for the host dial in, but then that would mean someone edited out the on hold time between dialing in and the host dialing in.
Just being overly paranoid I guess.
***Better***
It is an archival copy of the phone conference, they didn't record it live.....
Uh huh, and what have you done for TEH REVOLOOOSHUN lately? Go out and spread the word to the people on the street? Campaign for changes in laws? Gather information that can be used to further the cause? Contribute actual knowledge of low-level cryptography and security to give your people a more untraceable means of communication outside of the prying eyes of the Bad Guys(tm)?
Oh, wait, no, you're sitting on your fat ass and metaphorically shouting into an echo chamber. Yeah, that... helps.
Thank god SOMEONE'S doing SOMETHING. I mean, it might not be me or the GP, but it sure as hell ain't you, either, bucko.
So Libya and Syria were caused by a secret propaganda campaign by the US military, or by shape-shifting reptoids form Mars? I have such trouble keeping these conspiracy theories straight.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
because it's not a choice, it's an observation of what exists.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
http://www.care2.com/causes/anonymous-hacks-neo-nazis-finds-ron-paul.html
The story behind this are clearly false and its easy to prove. Listen to the recording; those in the UK are clearly on the phone, but the FBI person talking was not. That means it was not recorded on the phone, it was live in person.
The FBI planted and released this story as a way to promote their get tough on cybercrim (See the CNN web site for todays story) Thats right, the FBI says a major cyber attack will happen and they use this as an excuse to push legislation and justification.
You know, like a single coordinated unrepeatable multiplane hijacking could theoretically cause an entire country to be consumed by paroxysms of paranoia for more than a decade, leading to absurd legislation, efficiency costs for hundreds of millions of people, as well as actual TRILLIONS of dollars of waste.
Well, sure, when you put it that way it sounds really stupid. :)
Stop-Prism.org: Opt Out of Surveillance
unless you're in the group and know exactly why they did what they did, i'm gonna say you're venting out of your ass for some strange reason. maybe, the FBI found out about what was happening and closed the loop, so anonymous was like "ah, well, can't use that one anymore. let's just post on the internet and let the FBI know that we're watching them as much as they're watching us." it's a slap in their face. and, maybe by forcing the FBI to be more secure about protocols and procedures (because they don't liking getting slapped in the face), it will actually slow their investigation down. maybe by forcing them to tip toe, rather than charge like a bull, it buys anonymous time to better coordinate and predict the FBI's next steps. offense is the best defense sort of thing. if the exploit was closed, then finding some remaining value in it by telling the FBI about it was, i think, a fairly brilliant move.
but then again, maybe they did it to get a mention on /. either way, i give them the benefit of the doubt because they're smarter than myself, and from the sounds of it, a whole helluva a lot smarter than you think you are.
Which would be fine if Obama wasn't authorizing assassination of Americans for being loud mouths
Yes, but you're assuming society and rules will exist if it comes to guns. In the event of an insurrection, the trained people with all the guns will win. In the event of a bunch of kids walking around downtown, sure, guns don't do shit. This is why the leader of Syria will remain in control until a foreign military intervenes(just like Libya). Assad's not afraid to use real violence to remain in power
for the LULZ!!!
/insta-Goodwin'd!
Nobody's selling that flavour
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
This pisses me off so much!! There is no "computer hacking group Anonymous." Anonymous is the name for lots and lots of anonymous, nameless people on the internet, who band together at their own whim to hack computers and make mischief and other things. Don't write a bloody article about Anonymous when you don't even know what Anonymous is!
"Henry, there's something I would like to tell you, for what it's worth, something I wish I had been told years ago. You've been a consultant for a long time, and you've dealt a great deal with top secret information. But you're about to receive a whole slew of special clearances, maybe fifteen or twenty of them, that are higher than top secret.
"I've had a number of these myself, and I've known other people who have just acquired them, and I have a pretty good sense of what the effects of receiving these clearances are on a person who didn't previously know they even existed. And the effects of reading the information that they will make available to you.
"First, you'll be exhilarated by some of this new information, and by having it all â" so much! incredible! â" suddenly available to you. But second, almost as fast, you will feel like a fool for having studied, written, talked about these subjects, criticized and analyzed decisions made by presidents for years without having known of the existence of all this information, which presidents and others had and you didn't, and which must have influenced their decisions in ways you couldn't even guess. In particular, you'll feel foolish for having literally rubbed shoulders for over a decade with some officials and consultants who did have access to all this information you didn't know about and didn't know they had, and you'll be stunned that they kept that secret from you so well.
"You will feel like a fool, and that will last for about two weeks. Then, after you've started reading all this daily intelligence input and become used to using what amounts to whole libraries of hidden information, which is much more closely held than mere top secret data, you will forget there ever was a time when you didn't have it, and you'll be aware only of the fact that you have it now and most others don't....and that all those other people are fools.
"Over a longer period of time â" not too long, but a matter of two or three years â" you'll eventually become aware of the limitations of this information. There is a great deal that it doesn't tell you, it's often inaccurate, and it can lead you astray just as much as the New York Times can. But that takes a while to learn.
"In the meantime it will have become very hard for you to learn from anybody who doesn't have these clearances. Because you'll be thinking as you listen to them: 'What would this man be telling me if he knew what I know? Would he be giving me the same advice, or would it totally change his predictions and recommendations?' And that mental exercise is so torturous that after a while you give it up and just stop listening. I've seen this with my superiors, my colleagues....and with myself.
"You will deal with a person who doesn't have those clearances only from the point of view of what you want him to believe and what impression you want him to go away with, since you'll have to lie carefully to him about what you know. In effect, you will have to manipulate him. You'll give up trying to assess what he has to say. The danger is, you'll become something like a moron. You'll become incapable of learning from most people in the world, no matter how much experience they may have in their particular areas that may be much greater than yours."
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Yes. These are the "Mujahadeen" networks - used since the Russo-Afghan war, also known as "Al Qaeda" when convenient.
Syria:
The armed opposition which conducted terrorist attacks in Syria is represented by a number of groups from a military wing of the Muslim Brotherhood to the Libyan radical Islamists and Al Qaeda. According to the information we receive from our Syrian colleagues there are training camps for insurgents in Lebanon and Turkey. The officers of security services of NATO, Turkey and some Arab states are in charge for the training and armament of the insurgents, while the monarchies of the Persian Gulf provide the financing.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30412.htm
Libya:
"Some of these groups formed the National Transitional Council (TNC) in Benghazi on February 27, 2011 to act as the political face of the revolution. Politicians, former military officers, tribal leaders, academics and businessmen from Eastern Libya created the Council to serve as a transitional government and to wrap the opposition in an aura of respectability.
But the three well organized movements are the NFSL, its military arm LNA and the Islamist LIFG.
The National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL) established on October 7, 1981, was trained and supported by the CIA and was involved in an unsuccessful assassination attempt on Gadhafi on May 8, 1984.
The Libyan National Army (LNA), military wing of the NFSL, was founded on June 21, 1988 by Khalifa Hafter who, according to a Washington-based think tank, the Jamestown Foundation, had: "strong backing from the Central Intelligence agency". The think tank also reports that the CIA arranged the entry of LNA officers into the United States where they established a training camp. Hafter arrived in Benghazi in March 2011 to join the forces attempting to overthrow Gadhafi.
Another major organization engaged in overthrowing Gadhafi is the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) which has close ties to al Qaida and has been designated as a foreign terrorist organization (FTO) by the US State Department in 2004. The LIFG was established in 1995 to oppose Gadhafi's secular state by Libyans who had fought in Afghanistan. They have been committed to supporting jihadi groups everywhere and contributed a significant number of people to fight the U.S. in Iraq."
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/08/22/gaddafi-under-siege-two-cia-backed-groups-al-qaeda-linked-lifg-top-power-stakes
But I guess Soledad O'Brien and Wolf Blitzer didn't deliver the message, so it can't be true.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
www.stormfront.org is always a nice example as well. That place breeds the exact type of people the government loves.
for the uninformed and/or the youngsters wondering about the M
Yep. Just for the lulz.
Because doing anything more would demonstrate an intent to conduct espionage. And if caught, the perps could do even more hard time.
Have gnu, will travel.
As much as I like durable hardware, I like laptop-style keyboards more :)
No, not really. That's a false choice. How about "Neither"?
The anarchistic thugs are fighting with the authoritarian thugs.
I recommend popcorn.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
What will happen now is that the government is forced to get the German device, the Enigma or Golden Goddess out of the museum and resurrect it for their own use.
There was a value in not being so bold in revealing what could be done regarding their communication. Just like when the government revealed the whereabouts of Osama Bin laden by his background in the photos and videos he was sending. It was not long after that when he just had a plain sheet behind him in future communications.
sounds like information that should be available in the public library or on pastebin. If the constitution still meant what it used to.
As an AC you won't see the reply, but in fact it's working quite well against the TSA. Not only are there senators and congress members talking about going after them whole-sale, there are also individual airports that are actively refusing any involvement in some or all of their bullshit.
...BTW, the London Police are called the Metropolitan Police. Scotland Yard is a detective body serving the entire country domestically - not MI5, the intelligence service which would be the British FBI, but it's maybe better to call it British criminal investigations or something.
Yep. Its so easy to stop a online collective of random people. They only way to stop this is to destroy the internet, which wouldn't work because we would all find another way.
This is a perfect example of the powers that be, not understanding the technological aspect of the task they're involved in. Why are they wasting tax payers money to hold conference calls on an unsecured telephone exchange, when things like encrypted VOIP exist and allow people to place such conference calls freely via the internet? Why the hell are they sending e-Mail in an unsecured fashion from filed office to field office with no Data Encipher or digital certificate exchange? Have they heard of things like Pretty Good Privacy, Do they know how those things work.. "We'll pass it to our intel cell!" two words, CAP-GEMINI - I don't even work for them and even I know who they're referring to. Another two words - Epic Fail!