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It's Not All Waste: The Complicated Life of Surplus Electronics In Africa

retroworks writes "Today's Science Daily reports on 5 new UN studies of used computer and electronics management in Africa. The studies find that about 85% of surplus electronics imports are reused, not discarded. Most of the goods pictured in 'primitive e-waste' articles were domestically generated and have been in use, or reused, for years. Africa's technology lifecycle for displays is 2-3 times the productive use cycle in OECD nations. Still, EU bans the trade of used technology to Africa, Interpol has describes 'most' African computer importers as 'criminals,' and U.S. bill HR2284 would do the same. Can Africa 'leapfrog' to newer and better tech? Or are geeks and fixers the appropriate technology for 83% of the world (non-OECD's population)? "

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  1. OECD Nations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obsessive Electronic Compulsive Disorder? You mean Mac users?

  2. When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...only outlaws will have surplus electronics.

    1. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by aurispector · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Africa remains a case study in unintended consequences. Nowhere else is the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" so pitifully demonstrated.

      Western liberal arrogance leads us to condescendingly believe we know what's best for Africans. It's the worst racism of all.

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    2. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The world's treatment of Africa has been 99% by greed, not good intentions. My friend was in the Peace Corps and realized partway through he was mainly there to pave the way for oil companies. Or the most despicable "resource" extraction of all, the slave trade. Estimates range from 10 to 28 million lives stolen. Good intentions indeed.

    3. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So tell us, what do believe is the correct course of action? Leave them all to kill each other over millennia old tribal conflicts? Leave people like Mugabe running the show?

      Almost without exception, every African country has slid backwards at an alarming rate since they were granted independence from the European countries who conquered them. It's almost as if they want to be illiterate, sick, poor, violent idiots. Look at South Africa over the past twenty years for a great example: most native South Africans are fleeing as fast as they can, because it's turned from being one the richest African countries to a violent AIDS infested backwater with masses of poor unemployed people who do nothing but rob, kill and rape while the ANC dominated government congratulate themselves on how great things are since whitey left.

    4. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Teun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Western liberal arrogance

      Liberal arrogance?

      If there is such a thing a Western arrogance towards Africa it would most likely be from the conservative (stagnant) side of the political spectrum.

      Europe has banned the export of any waste to any place, the ban is most certainly not limited to electronics and or Africa.
      This ban came into effect after many cases of dumping of dangerous substances with terrible consequences for the receiving countries and people involved.

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    5. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ok, so much the PR, now for reality. As the article said, most of what we export as trash is being reused and recycled. The "terrible consequence" we're fearing most is that we send them resources and even pay them to take them, too. The dumping of dangerous substances is pretty much what happens when they rework our trash and create something useful out of it, and due to less strict environmental laws... well, capitalism at work.

      The biggest danger we really fear is that they not only have cheap labour but also a vast array of resources. Once they manage to get both on track, we're, at best, useless.

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    6. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by abarrow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've lived, worked and even occasionally traveled there for fun. It seems like everyplace you go, any efforts, by anyone, to move the civilization forward are stymied by a history of internal conflict and corruption. Did European influence help or hurt? Impossible to tell, but it is what it is. In Angola, for example, the nationals decry (and so they should) the terrible oppression of Portuguese - it was a terrible time for them and Portugal should be ashamed of how they treated fellow human beings. But, but, Angolans will also tell you that the day the Portuguese left the infrastructure started to crumble, and hasn't been the same since. The capital city of Luanda looks almost frozen in time (if you don't look too closely at the crumbling brickwork and potholes in the street).

      Should the invasion of Africa by Europeans never have happened? Perhaps, but you can't change that now. Saying that external influences are raping the continent is just stupid - the smart countries are taking advantage of their natural resources as they have a right to do. In the case of oil, without exception the national oil company of that country is (actually has to be) a partner in the production, and tax rates are at least 50% on everything that is taken out of the countries. I fail to see how that is disadvantaging anyone.

    7. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Typically, Conservatives aren't the ones who have any views on how Africa should be dealt with - either positive or negative. Theirs is pretty much a hands off approach - perfectly happy to let Africans decide what they want to do in their own countries. It's Liberals who have those grand solutions for the rest of the world.

    8. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by timeOday · · Score: 2

      In the case of oil, without exception the national oil company of that country is (actually has to be) a partner in the production, and tax rates are at least 50% on everything that is taken out of the countries. I fail to see how that is disadvantaging anyone.

      Oil money built Khadafi some nice palaces didn't it?

      The plight of Nauru after a windfall from phosphate mining perfectly illustrates what happens when resource extraction displaces local industry and culture and then peters out. There is nothing left.

      That is not to say Africa or the Middle East would be a paradise without natural resource exports. I agreed with most of your post until perhaps the very end. But I responded to the GP because the notion that Africa's problems are all caused by our well-meaning generosity is just too self-serving and factually incorrect to let go.

    9. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But, but, Angolans will also tell you that the day the Portuguese left the infrastructure started to crumble, and hasn't been the same since. The capital city of Luanda looks almost frozen in time (if you don't look too closely at the crumbling brickwork and potholes in the street).

      But what have the Romans ever done for us?

      Should the invasion of Africa by Europeans never have happened? Perhaps, but you can't change that now.

      Perhaps, but it was inevitable. That's what happens to weak nations. Or in this case, a collection of weak nations either fighting one another or at least refusing to help one another. A lesson to all nations, to be sure.

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    10. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...only outlaws will have surplus electronics.

      Already done in the U.S. (In my county, at least.)

      I was dropping off some scrap metal for recycling at my local landfill and noticed some awesome hardware sitting in the computer dropoff area. So I tossed a couple of cases and a monitor in the back of my truck. The landfill attendant immediately came over and made me put it all back. They must be getting paid for this stuff as scrap and aren't allowed to let the general public walk off with any of it. Even worse, as a resident, I would have to pay per item to drop off anything. So they're double dipping, too.

      It was good stuff. Better computers than anything I own. People throw away nice computers just because they load up with malware.

      Same with my company. When someone gets a new laptop, the old one is taken away. Years ago, people used to be able to take home old PCs.

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    11. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by abarrow · · Score: 2

      I agree, corruption and greed (internal and external) has been one of Africa's biggest problems. I'm sure that folks who are into anthropology and ethics have a great deal to study when they think about many African countries. Who's to blame? I'm sure there have been more than a few doctoral thesis written on that subject.

      The idea that external influences should be taken away is a little like the the people in the US demanding that some national parks be returned to their natural state: what they don't seem to comprehend is that the "natural state" for these areas included regular burning of brush and culling of animal herds by Native Americans. External influences will always be a part of Africa.

      Fun fact or data point: Who do you think is providing some of the most help, labor and engineering to help Africans rebuild their infrastructure? China.
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/06/chinas-economic-invasion-of-africa

    12. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by nbauman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Environmental lead, from paint and gasoline, was doing so much damage that it showed up in lower scores in children's IQ tests, which correlated statistically with their body lead levels. There's lots of solid science behind it.

      If you knew some chemistry you'd understand why the people who do are horrified by this waste disposal.

    13. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Remember the slave trade?

      Who was providing the enslaved Africans? It wasn't, for the most part, whites - it was other Africans.

      As is always the case, Europeans didn't come into a virgin, unspoiled 'noble man' society - it easily triumphed over small scale tribal structures and put their own more efficient, but certainly at least as morally dubious, economic and political systems in place. It did not help the local populations that on abandoning the African states, the Europeans put about as much planning into as as starting out but that's human nature for you.

      Face it, humans aren't an especially morally appealing species. Africans were assholes to each other before the white man came and will be assholes to each other left to themselves. Pretty much like the rest of us.

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    14. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Lazarian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Same story here in Edmonton. At the so-called recycle depot near where I live, I found all sorts of neat stuff. I found a couple really decent laptops which seemed the only thing wrong with them was windows got dosed up with viruses. Installed linux mint on them and gave them to my nieces. At the time the employees didn't mind if a person grabbed a goodie here or there, but now nobody can take anything at all. All that stuff gets the cords cut off and thrown into shipping containers in the back compound. It's enough to make a geek cry seeing all that neat stuff get trashed. At least I was able to get a couple nice computers out of it while it lasted.

    15. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by ChatHuant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those millennia old tribal conflicts are rather recent, and spurred on by western companies delivering weapons to local warlords in exchange for free extraction of resources.

      I don't know what to make of this statement. It's a very stretched interpretation of history. I'd say it's stretched so far it's very close to pure unadulterated lying. The history of the African continent suffers of a scarcity of written material, especially in Sub-Saharan Africa, but the information we have completely contradicts your assertion. Africa (as a whole) wasn't ever a loving peaceful society, before or after the arrival of the "evil western companies", as you imply. It always had its share of wars, military conquests, bloody battles and so on, just like all other continents. Look at North African history, which is better documented, due to the formation there of large statal structures, and to its closeness to Europe: you'll see the huge wars Egypt was involved in millenia ago, complete with genocides and other fun events. You'll see the often bloody fights between Islamic groups, and the military Islamic conquest of North Africa - all before the 15th century, when Europeans started seriously entering Africa. The things we know about Sub-Saharan Africa indicate the same pattern (keeping in mind that fewer really large statal formations existed there). Look at the Mali Empire and its military expansion during the 13th and 14th centuries (which expansion included razing of cities and enslaving of conquered peoples - see Ibn Battuta's description of his return from the Mali Empire on a caravan that transported 600 female slaves to be sold in Morocco).

      Further south, look at the Kingdom of Kongo, who was founded via the military conquest of the kingdom of Mwene Kabunga. The Kingdom of Kongo used his expansion wars to obtain slaves; slavery was well established in Kongo, and later, when the Portuguese arrived, slaves became one of the kingdom's exports. Even further south, we have the lesser Kingdom of Mutapa, also born of conquest, who warred against the neighboring Butwa empire. This pattern exists in pre-colonial Africa almost everywhere you look. Kingdoms or empires are formed and destroyed through military conquest, dinasties rise and fall, sometimes entire tribes or peoples are destroyed or displaced.
       
      Surely, the "evil western companies" made full use of the "divide and conquer" approach, used the internal dissensions of Africa to their advantage and sometimes caused them. There is no doubt about that. However, saying the conflicts are recent and implying they didn't exist before the arrival of the companies takes you beyond the simple political correctness frontier and drops you straight into the bullshit area.

    16. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Don't forget about the all the problems that happened when that spaceship settled in over Johannesburg.... What a mess that was!

    17. Re:When surplus electronics are outlawed... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      There's a big difference between putting lead in gasoline (which is burned, causing the lead to go into the atmosphere and be breathed by nearby people), or in paint (where little kids eat the paint chips), and putting it in electronics (how many kids eat bare circuit boards?).

      Since our society is so dependent now on electronics, a better way to deal with the problem is, instead of restricting a very useful substance, to set up government-run (or funded) recycling centers that accept all electronic waste and safely process it to recover the valuable metals within, and also keep these toxic substances out of landfils. These substances are perfectly safe as long as they're contained within the electronic assemblies; it's just when you start tossing them in landfills that it's a problem.

  3. Electronics lifecycles seem to be shorter in US by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

    It seems like electronics are used for a shorter time in US than in developing countries
    As an example, cell phone(smartphone) lifecycles seem to be 1-2 years for US customers but 2-5 years for the Indian markets
    Similarly, you wont find people having an issue with using a 3-4 year old PC built out of reused components as long as it does the work it is intended for
    As an example, many cybercafes and print shops still run p4 based desktops, they simply dont need more power

    1. Re:Electronics lifecycles seem to be shorter in US by Teun · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A good example is the present Slashdot poll about 3D TV, I don't have 3D (nor HD) and is primarily because my present 10 y/o flat screen works fine and I won't buy a new TV till the old one has given up.

      The poll options given imply you'd buy an other TV just for the sake of some new and still to be proven tech.

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    2. Re:Electronics lifecycles seem to be shorter in US by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even when tilting the balance heavily in the favour of new technology, (say, Atom at idle vs a P4 at medium load), it takes atleast 2 years of 10-12 hours/day running to recover the costs
      And my 2 year old N79 lasts 4-5 days on battery, not many Androids can (I know new ones have a lot more features,etc but both accomplish the basic requirement of a phone with the capability to browse the net, take pics, play games, watch videos,etc)

    3. Re:Electronics lifecycles seem to be shorter in US by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Sure, they don't need more power, but that old tech eats up power like there's no tomorrow.

      False. One of my servers is a PIII-S, and hasn't been replaced, not because I can't afford to, or because I don't have time, but because the PIII and that generation of RAM is more power frugal than any server I can get today that can do the same job. It doesn't even use half as much power as my low-power(!) Core 2 9550s server, and comparing it to a Xeon would be ridiculous. It doesn't even have a CPU fan, for cripes sake.

      Sure, it's 11 years old. And not ready for recycling yet. It will probably keep on running until Linux and/or gcc drops support for the architecture many years down the road.

      The problem is, as others have said, that to use old computers you need an infrastructure for doing so. You can't just take a kid off the street, show him what to do for a specific computer, and expect things to keep running and understand what to do when he meets something his training didn't cover. Those who do set-up and maintenance have to have an understanding, and that's not something you teach in weeks. Western companies can get away with maintaining "legacy" systems because for every N tech support people, they also have an engineer and a sysadmin. Those are few and far between in the third world, but without them, you can't do more than routine jobs. Recycling a constantly changing input of someone else's garbage isn't routine - at best you can identify known components and trash all the real gems because you don't know what they are or what to do with them.

    4. Re:Electronics lifecycles seem to be shorter in US by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The image of USA and Europe (or simply the developed world) that the rest of the world gets is that stuff like big TV's, big houses,big fridges,big AC's,etc are common and affordable at the lower middle class level as well.
      Is that false?

      Yes, this is false. The median income of a household member in the US in 2006 was $26,036. This doesn't leave a lot for luxuries. And that's median. If you considerer "lower middle class" to be around the 33th percentile, the income per household member drops to less than $14,000 per year.
      So no, expensive plasma TVs are not common outside bars and the homes of the more affluent.

      Yes, most people have TVs and even cable TV, because they'd sacrifice a lot to have that. Even if it was bought at a thrift store. They're conditioned to having them. But the majority of TVs in the US are 4:3 CRTs. For those who can't afford cable, with a converter for digital->analog broadcast.

      If you want to see a 3rd world country, come to the US, and visit the 80% of it that still doesn't have cell phone coverage, or the east side towns where people live from hand to mouth. It's a quite different picture frow what Hollywood and Fox shows.

    5. Re:Electronics lifecycles seem to be shorter in US by NJRoadfan · · Score: 2

      Notably, the 2 things that I notice it being too slow for are: - Playing Vimeo videos... I have no clue how they made their player so damned inefficient, but I get about 2 frames per second in a tiny box in the browser. Meanwhile, mplayer will happilly play 1080p H.264 content just fine on the same hardware.

      Blame Adobe for this one. Flash has gotten VERY inefficient in its later versions. Its much MUCH worse on old PowerPC Macs. I used to be able to view 360p videos on YouTube no problem on a 1.25Ghz G4 Powerbook, now 240p is barely watchable and the machine is ready to burst into flames.

  4. Reuse is good, proper disposal is important by Katatsumuri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Used hardware is excellent value when you are on a shoestring budget. I think a lot of school kids and students in Africa would find it attractive. Yes, there are new tablets and notebooks available today starting near $100. But even that is a lot of money to some, and used tech can often be had for free, or the cost of shipping. Also, arguably you can often get much better used hardware for the same money. And tinkering with it also trains people to be hackers and know their hardware well. So, overall I think such reuse is good.

    A huge disadvantage is the environment damage when that hardware finally gets thrown away. Normal western schemes like including recycling in the price and handling it through dealers and agencies is hardly applicable here. There has to be direct financial incentive for both the old hardware owner and the recycling center to handle this properly. So maybe if EU really wants to help, they should try to organize a network of recycling shops. But this is probably more difficult than simply banning the export officially and ignoring the black market.

    1. Re:Reuse is good, proper disposal is important by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Actually AFAIK the only thing banned from export is non-working stuff (i.e. waste). Working used stuff can be exported just fine.

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    2. Re:Reuse is good, proper disposal is important by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2

      A huge disadvantage is the environment damage when that hardware finally gets thrown away.

      If I'm not mistaken, much (if not most) of the environmental damage results from the initial production of electronic equipment. With that fixed cost, it's simply good to keep equipment in service as long as possible - regardless who does that.

      Another big cost is that of running the equipment, that is: energy use (mostly, other factors might be repairs / transport / consumables). For a while PC's have gotten increasingly power-hungry (CPU's up to 100W+ TDP, actively cooled videocards etc), so an older PC might be more economical to run. But that trend seems to be reversing, huge 500W+ gaming rigs have become a niche market, people are moving to (lower-power) laptops, small formfactor systems, tablets, netbooks etc. So if you're looking to cut the long-term cost of running the gear, it might make sense to skip that power-hungry stuff even if it gets thrown in your lap. Same thing for LCD screens - give it a few years of use, and an LCD screen might have lower overall cost than a 'free' same-sized CRT. Even when you're buying in Africa.

      Lastly, let's not forget that prices for new hardware have been dropping continuous. The technology race-to-the-bottom has produced some very cheap devices that may seem underpowered in many westerner's eyes, but are enough to get online or use in countless other applications.

      So there's a sweet spot, just assuming "used = cheap" is skipping your homework. To know how cheap, you have to do the math.

    3. Re:Reuse is good, proper disposal is important by Katatsumuri · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, I was fooled by the slashdot summary (yeah, yeah), which said "EU bans the trade of used technology to Africa".

      Some sources for those interested in the actual legislation:

      Summaries of legislation: Waste electrical and electronic equipment
      "The European Union (EU) is taking measures to prevent the generation of electrical and electronic waste and to promote reuse, recycling and other forms of recovery in order to reduce the quantity of such waste to be eliminated, whilst also improving the environmental performance of economic operators involved in its management."

      Business Link: Exporting WEEE
      "You should export waste electrical and electronic equipment (WEEE) only if you are sure that it will be recovered or recycled safely in the receiving country."

      So yes, exporting old hardware for reuse is okay. My apologies to EU.

  5. Local Cost by CambodiaSam · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've seen Cambodia's IT infrastructure improve over the last several years, but they still rely on much older, used equipment as their primary source of hardware. The most basic factor is cost. For someone earning about $100 a month (generally considered middle-class and able to reasonably sustain a small family), the prospect of a brand new computer, phone, or other device is unthinkable. Even a PC setup with monitor, UPS, keyboard, and mouse will run you $250. It'll be about 4 years old, but it runs Windows XP or Vista quite well because of lack of service packs. Plus, it's fully loaded with software since the concept of copyright hasn't been fully embraced.

    I guess if you could bring low cost, reasonable electronics to the developing world they would embrace it instead of used equipment. I'll let you know when I see it for sale on the streets of Phnom Penh or Siem Reap. For now, it's all used PCs (mostly Dell and HP) and Nokia phones.

  6. This Should Be No Surprise by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The big manufacturers like Dell have been trumping up the 'eWaste' issue for years now. They do it to make sure they yank all the old hardware out of the secondary (used) market where it inteferes with new equipment sales.

    My local situation is typical. We don't (yet) have to pay a 'disposal fee' to get rid of the 'untouchable' evil-awful old computer equipment, but the local Goodwill is the place-of-choice to donate them to. And Dell has a 'bounty' deal going with Goodwill, to pull all PeeCees out of the donation stream and never, EVER put them out for resale.

    A lot of us got our start playing around with Linux on multiple PCs (networking) using castoff PCs that there are agents now actively making sure are not 'just lying around' for us to fool with. It's quite possible that a lot of that wouldn't happen in today's environment.

    1. Re:This Should Be No Surprise by NJRoadfan · · Score: 2

      The problem with selling used PCs is that places like Goodwill have absolutely no infrastructure for making sure that they work properly, the average PC is vastly more complicated to troubleshoot than say a TV or VRC.

      This is a bunch of bull. All electronics sales at all the thrift stores around here are "as-is" sales. They don't test anything, its up to you, the buyer, to test the product. They are even nice enough to provide outlets in the store to test equipment. Goodwill used to sell a ton of computers, and it was good business and a boon to classic computer collectors or for folks who couldn't afford anything new. I used to go to computer shows and make a beeline for the "junk" guys. They used to get pallets of surplus equipment from major corporations, and even they made a profit on the resale of parts and systems. Also you note a refresh as "3-5 years", that is becoming more like "5-7" around these parts.

  7. As bad as the *AA consortiums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ban the sale of reusable goods to countries fully capable of using them and force them to buy new stuff they cannot afford. This whole planet's gone mad, I tells ya', MAD.

    I'm beginning to regret knowing my grandparents. They taught me to fix what could be fixed and only replace what you finally cannot fix. I'm writing this on an old CRT monitor that a friend gave me because the image was getting too dark. I did a little research, found that changing out a single resistor would brighten up the image for another ten years or so and it's still working. Meanwhile, he's using a "new" LCD monitor that's starting to suffer pixel dropouts as it ages. When the power supply fan bearings get noisy, I replace the fan in the power supply. I've even replaced capacitors on motherboards and in power supplies rather than replace the whole unit.

    God, I hate using this term but if that isn't being green I don't know what is. In the old days it wasn't called being green. It was called being frugal (or, if you weren't Scottish in background, being cheap. :-)

    (I'm in Canada, btw, not Africa.)

    1. Re:As bad as the *AA consortiums by sidthegeek · · Score: 2

      It's not necessarily more environmentally-friendly. Your older equipment probably uses more electricity than newer equipment, which is the main reason/argument in developed countries for ditching it and just buying new. Older equipment is so cheap the cost is close to $0 in some cases (dumpster diving, I'm looking at you), so it's more convenient to use older equipment, especially when its performance can be really boosted (replacing Win95/98 on '90s to 2000s whiteboxes with some Linux or another).

      I still have an old CRT that I want to start using again. The picture's a little fuzzy now, but it should be great for text mode.)

    2. Re:As bad as the *AA consortiums by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

      *When the power supply fan bearings get noisy, I replace the fan in the power supply. I've even replaced capacitors on motherboards and in power supplies rather than replace the whole unit.*

      That's _exactly_ what I try to do here. When my old computer died and couldn't be repaired, I salvaged an old Optiplex, recapped it and I'm typing this message on it. Cost about 5-10$ in caps and about an hour to take the mobo out, recap and put everything back in. My Media Center is starting to act up, so it will get recapped soon. Found a vintage '70s chrome lamp (really, really nice lamp) that just needed a little love and its plug replaced. It's now sitting gloriously in my living room.

      I too have been brought up with the repair-it mentality. If it can be reused or repaired, do it. A very large number of electronics from the '90s and 2ks simply fail due to cheap capacitors. Why is it a 2005 motherboard has to have its capacitors replaced while my old NES and C64 still work fine? My 1994 receiver also has issues while a 1973 receiver still works fine...

         

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    3. Re:As bad as the *AA consortiums by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      A very large number of electronics from the '90s and 2ks simply fail due to cheap capacitors. Why is it a 2005 motherboard has to have its capacitors replaced while my old NES and C64 still work fine? My 1994 receiver also has issues while a 1973 receiver still works fine...

      It's crazy how true that is. During the last 10 years, "have you checked the caps" has become the standard electronics answer, and so often it actually is the source of failure.

    4. Re:As bad as the *AA consortiums by nbauman · · Score: 2

      I have an LCD monitor with a blown power supply sitting right here in my apartment, waiting to get $20 worth of capacitors.

      I am familiar with the feeling of turning on the power switch and having a once-dead computer or something turn on again, but unless you enjoy doing it, it isn't worth the time.

    5. Re:As bad as the *AA consortiums by NotQuiteInsane · · Score: 2

      Oh wow, and I thought I was the only person crazy enough to do component-level repair on consumer kit :)

      I've got two testbench monitors -- an Acorn AKF17 TV-sync display (a Philips CM8833-II with a different label and a few less connectors) and a Viewsonic VX922.

      The power switch on the Acorn broke - I jammed a plastic toothpick in there to hold it in. Still works fine.
      The Viewsonic suffered the effects of Capacitor Plague. £15 worth of new name-brand (Panasonic, specifically) capacitors and it works fine again.

      I've replaced broken USB ports on phones and computer kit, fixed power supplies, test and measurement gear, TVs (CRT and LCD), you name it. If I see something with a "broken" sticker on it, and I think I can make use of it, I'll try and fix it. You can't really beat the combination of "saving the planet" and solving a puzzle...

      Probably helps that I'm fairly active in the retrocomputing community. Put simply, you NEED these skills to be able to keep those machines running. You can't just call the manufacturer and have them fix it... Around here, though, people give you crazy looks if you tell them you fixed something... The usual response is something along the lines of "Why did you waste your time doing that? You could have bought a new one from Argos for £x!"...

    6. Re:As bad as the *AA consortiums by karnal · · Score: 2

      My receiver from that same era had an issue with cold solder joints. I wasn't sure why it kept going into "protect" (yay sony) - but when I viewed the boards inside directly, you could see that there were physical breaks on the solder joints; looked like a crusted circle under magnification (digital camera using macro mode.)

      Might be worthwhile if you want to resurrect it to look for this (my bad, I replied to the wrong poster...) It didn't save me any money - I had already bought a replacement for it, but I did find a new home for it. It's in my garage as my source of entertainment when I'm working on the cars/motorcycles..... and through the past 2 years cold/warm cycles, has not given me any grief whatsoever.

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  8. 2 months in Africa that changed me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I spent 2 months in Swaziland, Africa in 2005 with some missionaries there. It was shocking how expensive new tech was there (3-10x more than USA). Internet in the entire country was 28.8 dialup to a geosync satellite backhaul to Johannesburg. My missionary friend's internet + cell phone bill was in the neighborhood of $500.

    I knew it was bad before I left so I downloaded as many security/OS/application updates and free applications and took them with me. I spent a good bit of time just going around to missionary, pastor, and college computers installing service packs, Windows updates, antivirus, etc because they were YEARS out of date.

    The best PC I saw was about 1/2 the spec of the $1200 laptop I took with me, and once when we needed to burn a dual layer DVD, I found only one vendor with one model that was incompatible with my laptop's burner. They had so many computers that were 1-2 generations old that I was in shock. And they were desperate for more. One Swazi came up to me begging to get a 286 laptop working. I tried but there was nothing I could do. The college had some spare parts and wanted me to build a PC from them. In the process I discovered old Dells (dunno about new ones) required proprietary power supplies, and so I had a perfectly good Pentium 4 that was unusable other than a dead p/s I couldn't replace in Africa. So instead, I was able to get a 386 or 486 running with a 3GB hard drive but it wouldn't fit in the Dell case. They were so desperate for it to run that they had a missionary build a case out of wood so I could install the motherboard into it and have another computer for the students.

    The whole time all I could think was that I had thrown away computer stuff that was so much better than this that it was embarrassing. If only I was back in the US, a $50-100 PC would blow away pretty much any tech I saw in the hands of a regular African. I'm shocked at the subject of this article... African people do realize the huge educational/connectivity/jobs divide that is only growing and want desperately to catch up. What is needed is a way to make it easier/cheaper to send old tech to Africa... not harder! They have to start somewhere, and this also keeps it out of the landfill that much longer.

    1. Re:2 months in Africa that changed me by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Part of the reason why Africa is so fucked up is because Mormon(or other cult) assholes like you are trying to shove your religion and culture up their asses. Such arrogance.

      Yes....people like my girlfriend's mother who went to Africa and handed out months supplies worth of prenatal vitamins are what's screwing up Africa....

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    2. Re:2 months in Africa that changed me by networkBoy · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with AC here. I am no missionary, and I realize that in many cases they may bring as much trouble as good with them, but the reason Africa is so fucked up is *not* the missionaries. Look to DeBeers, the rare earth metals industry, arms industries, and their ilk for what that country is in such a mess.
      I see little to no point to push my religion on anyone, though I'd be happy to discuss it with them if they as me to. That does not mean I will condemn those who try to help the country while also trying to sent their message of belief.
      -nB

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  9. Linux? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

    Why doesn't Linux own the desktop in Africa - Or does it? I would figure a FreeAsInBeer OS would be ideal for developing nations? Why don't we hear about millions of Linux desktops in Africa?

  10. Re:some systems from that time have bad caps by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, just change the capacitors as they blow

  11. The same with India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...will also tell you that the day the Portuguese left the infrastructure started to crumble, and hasn't been the same since.

    When the British left, the same happened to India. The British built some wonderful rail roads and now look at them.

    The trouble is that the countries mentioned have identified themselves as victims of Western colonialism and like all who identify themselves as victims are unable to move on.

    Although, India seems to be snapping out of it - in my humble Cowardly opinion ....

  12. African solutions to African problems by arcite · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've worked and lived in several African countries for almost ten years now. I've helped set up computer labs, including one that was self-sufficient with solar panels located way off the grid. There is no shortage of old computer parts, they are shipped in by the cargo container. Much of the parts are broken down to get at their base elements to sell for scrap. I'm sure everyone is aware of footage showing young men ripping apart and melting computer components and poisoning themselves in the process.

    I am well aware of charities out there who like to package up used computers and sent them off to Africa, the truth is, the computers are old and mostly useless. It's not that people aren't appreciative, but realistically, setting up a refurbished CPU, monitor, keyboard, powersupply, stabilizer, ect... it takes a lot of work. It also takes maintenance and training. It takes a lot of money to do all this. Furthermore, once a computer lab has been set up, it must be made sustainable, it needs security, someone to look after it. All of this entails an infrastructure of some kind.

    This is why, it is very easy to donate computers, or to even set up computer centers and labs, but it is much harder to make them a success within a community.

    It's actually much cheaper just to source a brand new dell laptop from a local supplier than to ship in in from half way around the world. Many companies, even a few African one's have localized hardware and special low-cost versions that do not sacrifice much performance and still offer the latest technologies. A low cost laptop/netbook/smartphone uses several MAGNITUDES less electricity than a bigbox cpu. Electricity is the biggest problem, or lack of it. Anyway, the economies of most African nations are growing at 5-10%, there is a lot of money to be made in IT. There are African multimillionaire being made in every African country due to the IT boom

    I'm rambling now, but back to the e-waste, it's a huge problem, but on the other hand, if someone were to set up a properly functioning e-waste recycling business and properly employ the young men, give them training, and safety equipment, they could do a lot better for themselves.

    1. Re:African solutions to African problems by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Informative

      I volunteered in Ghana in 2009. I set up a lab with 19 computers at a school. Today, 5 still work.

      I agree completely. I spent much of my time rearranging parts to even get Linux booting, and security training was ridiculously difficult. I was fortunate that the school had a good reputation in town, so there was already community support, and therefore less risk of theft.

      As mentioned, one of our biggest problems was infrastructure. Our electricity supply was decent by African standards, but it took three tries before the room was wired correctly. Switching hot and ground wires is a rather painful problem.

      Waste never appeared to be a big deal. In the area I was in, there were enough salvagers that anything thrown out was taken to a local shop where they used soldering irons to remove components, then those components were kept to fix broken devices. I never saw the melting over fires or the piles or toxin-containing waste, but I was in a fairly wealthy area of one of the wealthiest African nations.

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    2. Re:African solutions to African problems by camperslo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I.T. is great, but I'd like to see some interest in raw electronics fostered too. I've wondered if some of what's considered obsolete or broken might be useful might be taken apart and used for educational or hobby purposes on a very low budget. For instance old PC power supplies usually contain some decent high voltage bipolar or MOSFET power transistors, a couple of big fairly high voltage electrolytic capacitors, various diodes, a heat sink, a fan, and other parts. Circuit boards from old monitors and television sets contain quite a few parts an experimenter might do some things with. Old VCRs have a transformer some can use. I once saw a swept-frequency spectrum analyzer built using the voltage controlled tuner module. Even dead household CFL lamps generally have a couple of small high voltage power transistors. I think it would be healthy for people to develop an interest in electronics, not just computers or programming. Turning people loose with some educational materials and sources of free parts would encourage people to be creative and experiment. Free parts can be used to build audio amplifiers and other things that experimenters might enjoy. While it is true that many components are available for very low prices from Asia, using recycled parts avoids having what little money the poor have leave their local economies. Sure, some old electronics is best ground up for extracting useful metals, but there's no reason that some useful parts shouldn't be pulled out first. Perhaps in other areas, it might even be worth encouraging the unemployed or those in some institutions to be a part of using recycled components and education that uses some of them as a resource. Being creative some ways of using these things can be found even when a commercial recycler wouldn't find it cost effective to pay people to pick parts. Of course precautions have to be taken, so that vulnerable people are not exposed to excessive risk from toxic materials or potentially imploding c.r.t.s. And people should know what they're doing before dealing with high voltages. A historic example of people that were generally creative and good at finding ways to recycle (call some cheap if you like) is ham radio operators that built projects. Who would guess that a transformer from a microwave oven could power a large transmitting tube (some of the tubes themselves being recycled from broadcast service)? Or that some of those PC power supply MOSFETs could develop significant power in low frequency transmitters? Some examples can be seen for free in back issues of Ham Radio magazine and others downloadable from archive.org http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=Ham%20Radio%20magazine

      Of course some of the PCs can be part of that too, speedy and alive again once infected OSes are wiped and OSS put in their place. Certainly seeing what low cost systems and OSS could do was in part the drive that led to the Ubuntu distribution. For some uses Pentium IIIs may be a better choice than P4s, the later often having much higher energy requirements. Over time for a heavily used system the difference in energy cost may be substantial, and we shouldn't forget the cost extends to environmental concerns too.

  13. with 3d printing it will be irrelevant by decora · · Score: 4, Informative

    as soon as we can print out our own chips, none of this will matter.

    you know the 'Arab Spring'? Well, most of it was in Africa. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya - all African countries. The guy who started Ubuntu? African. These folks are on the forefront of tech, they just have been barred from access to capital by corruption.

  14. Please do visit Africa sometime by arcite · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ban the sale of reusable goods to countries fully capable of using them and force them to buy new stuff they cannot afford. This whole planet's gone mad, I tells ya', MAD.

    I'm beginning to regret knowing my grandparents. They taught me to fix what could be fixed and only replace what you finally cannot fix. I'm writing this on an old CRT monitor that a friend gave me because the image was getting too dark. I did a little research, found that changing out a single resistor would brighten up the image for another ten years or so and it's still working. Meanwhile, he's using a "new" LCD monitor that's starting to suffer pixel dropouts as it ages. When the power supply fan bearings get noisy, I replace the fan in the power supply. I've even replaced capacitors on motherboards and in power supplies rather than replace the whole unit.

    God, I hate using this term but if that isn't being green I don't know what is. In the old days it wasn't called being green. It was called being frugal (or, if you weren't Scottish in background, being cheap. :-)

    (I'm in Canada, btw, not Africa.)

    My guess is you have never seen how ewaste is 'recycled'; picture pre-teenage boys using the crudest tools (or their bare hands) to rip apart electronics, including monitors (that are chockful of cancer causing agents), pound the pieces into powder, then melt them down in makeshift smelters (no masks here, just breath in the fumes), then cook out the chemical elements. Most of these kids have brain damage from exposure. Most will get cancer and die painful deaths. Lets also not forget that while they surely get paid something for their labor, in all likelihood they are virtual child slaves. My guess is your sensibilities make you incapable of imagining the abject horror of their existence.

    Some perspective on the reality of the situation would be advised.

  15. Re:Big TV isn't what you think it is by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Um.... no. You're a little out of touch, there. Do you realize a 17" LCD with HDMI, etc., is about $100? And that all the old CRT TV's can no longer receive on-air broadcasts without an external converter system?

    Which is why the government handed out rebates to people who needed to buy one. Of course, lots of people (outside Montana) are on cable (58.3 million households or 151.5 million people), satellite or IP and won't need one.

    I haven't even seen a CRT TV in some years now -- outside of the local landfill.

    My TV is a CRT. A 1080p widescreen 120 Hz TV, but still a CRT. I have no desire to replace it with an LCD with staircasing effects for non-native resolutions, greys with purple and green tones and reduced contrast.

    But I don't claim to be representative. The family who looks at the $100 Wal-Mart TV and can't afford it, and instead get a $25 TV from Goodwill or hand-me-down from neighbors or family are more representative than either of us.

    That you only see LCDs could, perhaps, have something to do with you only seeing a tiny part of America, and likely the part that is most similar to your demographics, and not representative of the whole?

  16. Re:The same with England by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 2

    But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, viniculture, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for England?

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