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Sony's New CEO To Look Beyond Hardware

angry tapir writes "Sony's new CEO says the company needs to move on from its hardware roots. From its inception, the company has defined itself through its gadget lines — Walkman, Vaio, Cyber-shot, PlayStation — but incoming CEO Kazuo Hirai, who will officially lead the company from April, says Sony must now focus more on the software and platforms they access. He said he wants to model the company after its successful PlayStation gaming business, which he helped turn around, where 'hardware drives software, and software drives hardware, and it's all tied in by the network.' Sony is forecasting nearly US$3 billion in losses for the fiscal year through March."

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  1. It's not going to work by laffer1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sony is just too conservative and unwilling to invest to be successful in the software business. 90% of their time will be spent locking down systems and adding DRM. They won't build what the customer wants.

    1. Re:It's not going to work by Theophany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that their software is universally shite, relative to competitors. They've seen Apple's successful walled garden model and want in, difference is that Apple are a software company and Sony, most certainly, are not.

    2. Re:It's not going to work by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple is not a software company. Apple is a Marketing company that has software and hardware tied for second place.

      Still, they put more focus on doing those things right than Sony does.

      Also, Sony seriously needs to improve their customer service, being on top of the 'worst in the business' pile is NOT the top of the pile you want.

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    3. Re:It's not going to work by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not to mention that they have zero consumer trust in their software, after two different rootkit fiascos.

    4. Re:It's not going to work by ByOhTek · · Score: 2

      Not really, Apple makes money on selling hardware, but part of being able to sell that hardware is the software they develop for it, that will either (a) only run on it or (b) won't run nearly as well on other platforms.

      So, yes, their profit comes directly from the hardware, but the software is a huge part of the marketing, which is what gets people to buy it (and thus, is an important indirect factor in getting that profit, easily matching the importance of the hardware)

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    5. Re:It's not going to work by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > They won't build what the customer wants.

      Precisely. How the hell is a consumer able to brick their $1,000 [LCD] TV by flashing the wrong firmware??

      Sony is a hardware company that doesn't understand software NOR user experience. Microsoft is software company that doesn't understand hardware. Apple is a hardware + software + user experience company.

      Sony doesn't have a clue how to build beautiful UI's - they are "engineer's UI's."

    6. Re:It's not going to work by sirroc · · Score: 2

      Except that for the most part; they did give the customer a ton of options with the PS3. If I so wanted I can use any bluetooth headset or keyboard I want, any 2.5" SATA HDD. any USB keyboard, any USB external HDD. Perhaps that is why Ken Kutaragi was given the boot; as they saw the line on accessory margins and died a little inside.

    7. Re:It's not going to work by RazorSharp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know it's popular to call Apple "a marketing company" around here, but it's gotten ridiculous. What started as a very sarcastic cheap shot has somehow become an accepted truth. Last time I checked, Apple makes their money by selling computers, phones, and other hardware. They make a little off software, too. I'm pretty sure if Apple somehow lost their iPhone market, they wouldn't be able to offset the loss by selling t-shirts with their logo on it.

      But, yes, Sony could learn a lot from Apple's marketing strategies.

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    8. Re:It's not going to work by YoopDaDum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple is a system and user experience company, and has been since the Lisa and first Mac. We people in Slashdot care about implementation details, but most people don't. Apple is better than the average at shielding the users from the implementation details and providing a comfortable and easy user experience.
      They're also good at marketing, but their approach there is not recent and was not enough initially to have mass appeal --- although you can say they had a cult following from the early days, just much more limited.

      The difference between the early days and now is not so much in the Apple approach, but in the price points they can target and people attitude.

      Shielding people for low level tech details used to be a very expensive thing in the early days of the Mac, and few could afford it. Nowadays providing a nice user experience is a multimedia player, then a smartphone or tablet, can be done at a lower price point. Even if Apple is often seen as more expensive, it's still affordable to more and more people. Their computers too are more affordable than in days past. So they can reach more people.

      At the same time, technology is more and more pervasive. We (/.) may get a kick out of it and enjoy all those new nice toys and don't care about getting our hands dirty. But most people are mightily confused and frustrated and bored. So they're more and more receptive to easy products, that allows them to get their things down with minimal fuss and understanding of the underlying technology. Nobody likes to feel backward or stupid and be frustrated in front of a high tech product they don't know how to use properly. Apple offer a product they get, and they feel good about it. That creates a lot of loyalty among technophobic people, and even among people who could handle it, but don't want to bother because they have other things to do.

      That's IMHO the combination of both that gives the current Apple boom. As I see it these two trends are here to stay, so Apple will stay high until other companies manage to shield people from high tech complications as well as Apple but at a lower price point.

    9. Re:It's not going to work by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, what you're describing is the public perception. What he's describing is the reality. Most of the big-name "computer manufacturers" aren't really hardware manufacturers. Apple's laptops are designed and made by Quanta. Apple gives them some guidelines and requests some modifications, but the design and manufacturing is done by Quanta. Ever wonder why some of the HP laptops look a lot like MacBooks? It's not because HP is copying Apple. Quanta is also the primary original design manufacturer for HP. Literally the same Taiwanese people who designed and manufactured the Macbooks also designed and manufactured those HPs.

      The same goes for other products. The iPod and iPad by now I think most people know are made by Foxconn. Who designs them is still uncertain. The big name sellers and the OEMs/ODMs are very reluctant to publicly discuss who makes what. The CPUs in their mobile devices are made by Samsung, though it looks like Apple is burning that bridge and is trying to design their very own ARM CPU for their next gen products.

      So Apple is essentially a middle-man. Someone who comes up with an idea, hires a outside companies to work out the design details and manufacturing, then assembles and imports it, and sells it under their brand name. A parts assembler. A marketing company. Many other companies you may think are hardware companies do this too. IBM used to make their Thinkpads in-house, but as near as I can tell Lenovo has outsourced most of their laptop production to ODMs. A lot of Sony's low-end and mid-grade laptops are made the same way. Dell just orders the different parts of their desktop computers, and assembles them before shipping it off to you.

      But some of them do have their own design, fab, and production facilities. Dell designs their own motherboards and cases (and tests them pretty extensively - it's extraordinarily difficult to put together a custom PC that's as quiet as a Dell business desktop). Sony's high-end laptops are designed and built at their facilities in Japan. The same for the sensors for their cameras, which they also sell to other companies (most of the other digital camera "manufacturers" use Sony sensors - a huge opportunity Kodak missed because they didn't have silicon fabbing experience). So they're very much a hardware company.

      I'd characterize Apple as a software and online services company first (OS X, iOS, and iTunes are their bread and butter), marketing/assembling second, and hardware a distant third.

    10. Re:It's not going to work by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

      Compared to who? Sony's first part line-up is infinitely superior to Microsoft's and a strong second to Nintendo. They're responsible for some of the greatest games of recent times (shadow of the colossus, Ico, Uncharted) Their garden is far more open than on the xbox too. For starters you can actually freely surf the net on a PS3. Both the PS3 and PSP are region-free. Their ebook readers are more open than Kindle. But hey go ahead and prove they're more of a walled garden than their competitors otherwise you just look like yet another one of those idiots who never used Linux on their PS3 (or doesn't even own a PS3) but acts like Sony raped their family by taking it away.

  2. Is it tied in by the network? by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    I've had a PS3 since 2007 and have never created a playstation network account (which I'm quite glad about now given recent events). Its purely a gaming machine and thats all it'll ever be. If I want some sort of lifestyle/media server I've got my PC which is a lot better at it.

    1. Re:Is it tied in by the network? by Anrego · · Score: 2

      Been my experience (as an unfortunate PS3 owner) that most games are built assuming network connectivity. Most can be played fine without it, but in a lot of cases you miss out on features, (important) updates, and downloadable content (which I actually have no problem with.. if they wern't using piss-poor security when dealing with the customer data).

      I do totally agree on the whole "I just want a game console" thing though. Luckily most of that cruft is easy to ignore.

    2. Re:Is it tied in by the network? by Nursie · · Score: 2

      if they wern't using piss-poor security when dealing with the customer data

      Piss poor security? That implies they'd try to protect it.

      The latest version of their online network "SEN", that replaces PSN, has an agreement which states that they can and will give your data to whatever third parties they wish, and if you disagree then you get no service.
      I cannot agree to this. I don't know what happens if you update to the new firmware that brings this change and then refuse the T&Cs, but I can't accept them.

  3. Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardware is becoming generic and software is becoming critical. Software should at least be a big part of the plan. Sounds reasonable enough to me.

    I'd rage about Sony evilness ... but that would be offtopic (and I'm sure there will be plenty of that anyway by people much more serious about it than me!).

  4. Well yea by eternaldoctorwho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They need to focus more on developing better and more intrusive rootkits in their devices.

  5. overpriced, underspecced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe Sony hardware used to be worth the premium, way back when, but nowadays they are just trading on their reputation.

    I had a Sony Viao laptop for years. It was OK, nothing wrong with it, but equally there was nothing so amazingly right with it that it was worth the huge pricetag - the same spec laptop with another brand label on it would have been just as good at 2/3 the price. It's a shame, because there is room in a market for a gadget manufacturer that sets itself apart from the competition by offering superior reliability / build quality / robustness.

    I think customers have been catching on to this the last few years, and Sony's hardware sales have dropped as a result.

    1. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by Anrego · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Seems to be the case in all their products.

      Sony used to be a name to be reckoned with. They were like DeWalt or Bose .. you could probably get the same quality for less if you knew what you were doing, but Sony was a safe choice and worth the extra money to know you were getting something decent.

      Now, they are just on par with everyone else.. and as you said.. people have noticed.

    2. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by unixisc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The brand name meant something when it actually was made in Japan. Once they started outsourcing to China, like everyone else, there's no reason to pay more for them than anyone else.

    3. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by El+Torico · · Score: 2

      Samsung is the new Sony. Now Sony's going to try the same thing as everyone else.

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    4. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      The brand name meant something when it actually was made in Japan.

      My last camcorder was a Sony made in Japan, because my previous two Sonys had lasted for many years before I replacde them (in fact I'm using the TRV900 I bought in 1999 now because it's still working). That didn't stop it from frying its main board shortly after the warranty ran out due to a design fault in the power circuitry.

      My next camcorder will not be Sony.

    5. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Most if not all Vaios are garbage. When everyone else was using ATI or moving to nVidia they were still using Neomagic. They are worse at providing drivers for operating systems you didn't buy the computer with than anyone else, even gateway. Their support is legendarily poor. The computers are made like all the rest of the flimsy shit they make these days. Note also that Sony *still* hasn't figured out how to make a laser mechanism that can handle any abuse whatsoever. Every Vaio I've ever had the displeasure to work with has had problems, from the cheapest (haha "cheap") to the most expensive.

      The era when Sony made good hardware has long passed. They do still make some acceptable hardware, like home theater receivers. They have a decent interface, they have a decent remote, and they have decent THD (great for 2ch, mediocre for more, usually.) And hell, they look nice. But they are usually last in features (for what you pay, another brand will give you more) and nothing is actually great.

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    6. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Milwaukee is still good, and while Delta has also visibly compromised quality (stuff is smaller and lighter which is NOT a good thing in a workbench tool, especially) they still seem to make stuff OK. I pretty much buy everything used now and just expect to replace brushes and clean comms. Yard sailing FTW. Got a delta 10" miter with rotating table for $10. Got a vintage craftsman molding cutter for $20. Got a newer Model 77 skilsaw for $10 with a broken handle, cord, and switch and swapped the handle and cord and such from my old, banged-up saw to it. Got a used craftman 1 1/4 HP router with a really nice little table for $35. Job-site 10" table saw, $15, and I integrated it into a full-sheet sized workbench that cost maybe $100 to build (router's in there too.) Hundreds of dollars in replacement cost, tens of dollars in cash outlay. Much of it is as nice as or nicer than anything I can find in a local store brand new. Reuse is the best kind of recycling.

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  6. Sony: by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your hardware was always good, but your focus on lock-in with nonstandard things like Memory Stick and user-hating products like the rootkit DRM on audio CDs is what killed you. Geeks everywhere have been telling their family and friends that you suck for the last decade. That tide will not change before you lose a lot more money. Just close up shop and call it a day.

    1. Re:Sony: by andydread · · Score: 3, Insightful

      amen AMEN, I went from all Sony products to no Sony products over the last decade. I did the whole Sony Style thing. Everything was Sony. Now I don't own any more Sony products because of exactly what you mentioned along with their arrogant attitude and litigious behaviour. Sony's entry into the content business was the start of their downfall. Becoming a leading member of the RIAA and MPAA made it worse. I no longer purchase Sony products and actively recommend against their products. They should drop the content business and become a hardware company again this time without trying to populate the marketplace with non-standard hardware and only then will I consider recommending them to anyone.

  7. Here's an idea by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sony could add a feature to its hardware platforms to allow loading/running an alternate OS. Preferably one that would attract lots of developers to their platforms. Perhaps even an open source OS, thereby making the best community developed products easy to distribute.

    Nah. It would never work.

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by Telvin_3d · · Score: 2

      Go re-read the background on OtherOS. Or even the PS3 Wikipedia article. PS3 didn't get 'hacked' until after they pulled official support for OtherOS. Until then, the PS3 had been out for four years without a single public method for running unsigned code. All indications are that everyone with the skills to jailbreak the machine to run game backups were perfectly happy playing around with the official third party tools.

      Sony had tossed the hacker community a bone and a respectful nod. In return everyone was happy playing nice.

      In April 2010, Sony announced they were retroactively pulling support for OtherOS because fuck you, that's why. They were then sued because in much of the civilized word it is illegal to remove advertised features after you sell a product.

      By August 2010 the PS3 was broken open like an oyster.

  8. And he's right... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And he's right. In the long term, and that might be another couple of generations, game consoles will be terminals, TV's were dumb terminals and need to be made smart, smartphones can't distinguish themselves from one another if they are all basically the same hardware and software.

    Hardware is a bad business to be in. There is becoming less and less of a need for a lot of different foundries, sure there will be some world wide but they are, by and large, astronomically expensive and need to have multiple customers, this is your TSMC, Intel, AMD etc. Given that, Sony, along with everyone else, is buying from them. That means your differentiation comes from what you run on the hardware, not what the hardware is.

    Sony *should* own some major portion of the mobile market place. But it doesn't. It has just another android phone basically x10. The PS vita should be *the* premium android phone right now. But it isn't. That's a software and a vision problem, not hardware problem. Because what does a Sony smartphone bring to the table with software?

    Sony *should* have a secure, reliable network that people can trust to buy movies music and games on, and that will be up 'all the time' (within reason of course), and, given the PSN outages last year, that isn't the case.

    The future for Sony is smart boxes that go with (or inside) dumb boxes, and link up to their smart software services. TV on demand, on your TV, or PS1, 2, 3 or 4 games, all over the net. That may mean running their own cloud backend. But it's still known hardware problems solved with engaging software that's better than the other guy, not shitty software with somehow innovative hardware, because there's not a lot to innovate on the hardware.

    In other words, they're largely a consumer facing version of IBM or HP. I'm sure they have, and could do more with the battery/chemicals business and so on, the backend may be boring tech but it can be useful. They can make TV's that use 70% less power for example. But pitching that to consumers requires informed consumers, and most of us, about most of the technology we use, aren't, or at least aren't informed enough for things like a TV that uses 70% less power, but costs 2x as much to even know if that's a worthwhile deal. They could, I suppose, choose to radically reinvest in something else, solar power, that kind of thing, but most of their innovation has been in content distribution (floppy disks, CD's, DVD's, Blu Ray, the whole gaming business etc.) and content delivery at that level is now a networking infrastructure problem.

    1. Re:And he's right... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      So Sony should deliver the same hardware with the same Android OS as everybody else? Yeah, like that's differentiation. Sony has as far as I know never competed with TSMC, Intel, AMD etc. and why should they start now? They've been into producing consumer products, and there's plenty opportunity to pick components and make solid, well intgrated, price efficient combinations of good build quality and turn a good profit on that. My iPhone4 didn't even come with a flashlight function, though there's a dozen apps for that. Unless Sony really screws up the basic functions, why should people care? There's an app for that. But there's no app that would say give you a better camera, or better battery lifetime, or better resolution/color/contrast on your screen. Your hardware choice is once, your software is replaceable. You probably can't muck too far into the Android internals without too much cost for a fork, and nobody's buying a phone because it has some Sony branded apps.

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  9. Samsung is the new Sony by zerofoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was evident at CES this year. Samsung is the new Sony. Sure, Samsung is getting into the Apps/Online content thing as well, but as far as hardware goes, Samsung has probably beaten Sony in every arena except for gaming.

    Sony's booth at CES was 200 Sq Ft. bigger than Samsung's booth, but it had half as much product. Samsung, by contrast, had a 30,000 Sq.Ft. booth filled to the rim with gadgets and TVs.

    Good luck with that "software drives the hardware" strategy Sony. Very few companies have been able to succeed at that model - actually, I can only think of one - a fruit company based out of Cupertino....

    -ted

    1. Re:Samsung is the new Sony by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Samsung, by contrast, had a 30,000 Sq.Ft. booth filled to the rim with gadgets and TVs.

      And that's one of the big problems. 1500 different cell phones, monitors, computers, etc. All with exciting names like Sony XV-20039clb (now with tint control!).

      It all gets lost in the ozone and long chain monomer haze. We don't need thousands more products, we need better ones.

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    2. Re:Samsung is the new Sony by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you see this on SNL last week? Maybe not especially hilarious, but will probably be a staple in marketing seminars for the next 10 years.

  10. What's the next format? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Format changes have demonstrated that there is always a new market in media players

    But after 1080p Blu-ray and 1080p Internet VOD, both of which a PS3 and several other BD players can already handle easily, what's the next format for noninteractive video? I don't see a great leap in media formats like the leap from VHS to DVD or from discs to Internet VOD in the near future, nor even a minor resolution improvement like DVD to BD or 480p VOD to 1080p VOD. Nor do I see 2160p (aka 4K) displays becoming affordable any time soon, especially given that people just recently upgraded to 1080p compared to the decades-long lifetime of 480i.

  11. They need to put brains in their management first by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    Or perhaps put brains in the robots but promote them to management. They couldn't do any worse at the moment!

  12. Re:Why not? by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Informative

    On the PlayStation, yes. There you have no choice. But on the PC? Especially with all the good press from the Sony software installed on PCs in the past... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal http://techreport.com/discussions/13096 They will have a hard time overcoming this with a lot of users. It is actually a factor in the hardware losses they have had.

  13. $3 billion in losses by Anomalyst · · Score: 2

    Couldn't happen to nicer company or investors.

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  14. Step Number One by twmcneil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First thing Sony needs to do is quit dicking their customers over. Be it intentional (root-kits) or accidental (losing PS Network account data), it must stop. Nothing else that you attempt to do will stand a chance of success until you learn to treat your customers with a wee bit of respect.

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    1. Re:Step Number One by hitmark · · Score: 2

      In essence, divest themselves of Sony Music and Sony Pictures.

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  15. Re:Why not? by justforgetme · · Score: 2

    Forget the rootkit,

    Every Vaio laptop I have bought and configured with a windows env (yikes) needs half a day of scrubbing to remove all the idiotic sony Vaio programs, services or UIs... And then you have the addware that comes pre installed... Plainly it is easier to buy a retail version of windows and slap it on than going through all the pain. In all fairness though Vaio's, as long as I can remember them, seem to be sturdier designs than cheaper alternatives and often have better screens also. But the software is plain criminal.

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  16. Re:PSN Indie Games? by ilguido · · Score: 2

    What? App Store developed from iTunes Store, XBLIG has nothing to do with it. By the way XBLIG/XBLA is a half-baked rip-off of Steam: 2DBoy (creators of World of Goo) made this interesting survey about XBLA. Actually PSN is more open than XBLA, as in "more accessible".

    Surely their objective is something like iTunes, that is something that appeals a snobbish crowd, and not a XBLA, that is the Zune of the online store services.

  17. Re:Why not? by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But on the PC? Especially with all the good press from the Sony software installed on PCs in the past... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal http://techreport.com/discussions/13096

    I don't think many consumers are aware of the rootkit fiasco. Some time ago, I spoke to someone who worked for Sony, selling professional TV studio equipment -- he had not heard of the rootkit fiasco. If the employees haven't heard of the issue, why would the general population?

    On the other hand, Sony used to build premium products and charge premium prices for them. I recall reading (during the late '80s I think) that Sony was the most valuable brand name in the world. Now they build cr*p and still charge premium prices. They also make those devices even more expensive for consumers by using proprietary add-ons such as Sony memory sticks. Consumers have started to notice those things. Sony was living off its valuable brand name for years, but now that train has hit the buffers.

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