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Universities Agree To Email Monitoring For Copyright Agency

New submitter fish waffle writes "The universities of Western Ontario and Toronto have signed a deal with Access Copyright that allows for surveillance of faculty correspondence, defines e-mailing hyperlinks as equivalent to photocopying a document, and imposes an annual $27.50 fee for every full-time equivalent student to pay for it all. Access Copyright is a licensing agency historically used by most universities in Canada to give them blanket permission to reproduce copyrighted works, largely to address photocopying concerns that may extend beyond basic fair-use. Since the expiration of this agreement, and with recognition that many academic uses do not require copyright permissions or payments or are already covered under vendor-specific agreements, Canadian academic institutions have been united in opposing continuation of the agreement with the agency. Access Copyright has countered with a proposal for increased fees, and expansion of the definition of copyright to include linking and the need for online surveillance. In a strange breaking of ranks, the University of Western Ontario and the University of Toronto have capitulated and signed agreements that basically accede to the licensing agency's demands. The Canadian Association of University Teachers bulletin provides detailed background on the issue (PDF)."

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  1. Change Universities by twotailakitsune · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that others are NOT doing this means that people in Canadian Universities can change to a different University. Lucky people.

    1. Re:Change Universities by phrostie · · Score: 4, Funny

      eh

    2. Re:Change Universities by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, $27.50 is a drop in the bucket compared to tuition, and hence not likely to affect much of anything.

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    3. Re:Change Universities by zill · · Score: 2

      Engineering undergrad at UofT is around $8000 a year. $27.50 would be appropriately 0.3% of tuition. To me that feels quite substantial, considering that this $27.50 fee doesn't help students at all; they still have to spend hundreds of dollars every year on textbooks.

    4. Re:Change Universities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      0.3% feels substantial to you? You aren't going to switch schools over another $30. You might switch on the principle, but not for economic reasons. Just driving out to the university, getting lunch, and spending your time looking at the program costs more than $30.

    5. Re:Change Universities by ae1294 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      0.3% feels substantial to you? You aren't going to switch schools over another $30. You might switch on the principle, but not for economic reasons. Just driving out to the university, getting lunch, and spending your time looking at the program costs more than $30.

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    6. Re:Change Universities by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2

      I remember college. I remember $27.50. I even remember not ever having $27.50 while in college.

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    7. Re:Change Universities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Back in the 80s I paid $600 a term ($1200 a year) for comp sci at Waterloo, and with paid work terms in between it practically came out to be free... Every time I read slashdot I feel lucky that I'm old, sad isn't it.

    8. Re:Change Universities by niftydude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, $27.50 is a drop in the bucket compared to tuition, and hence not likely to affect much of anything.

      You are focussing on the students. I think it is more likely that the faculty staff will start leaving. Email is insecure enough as it is, and the last thing most professors actively involved in research will want is a third party having access to any unpublished research that is sent to colleagues and co-authors via email.

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    9. Re:Change Universities by Tuoqui · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isnt about drops in the bucket this is about Copyright Lobby's war chest...

      73,685 Students (UofT) * $27.50 = $2,026,337.50 / per year

      That is being given to hostile entities that may just come by and sue anyways. Sorry but UofT and Western Ontario did their students a great disservice by selling them out to the copyright lobby. Honestly, if I was in either of these schools I'd be transferring and encouraging everyone else to transfer to.

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    10. Re:Change Universities by tsa · · Score: 3, Informative

      More and more people at our university use gmail these days because it's more reliable than the email service the university provides.

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    11. Re:Change Universities by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 2

      If you're paying $8000, and only care about the "one significant digit", can I have the $499 you don't care about ?

      Just because a digit is 0 doesn't mean it's insignificant.

    12. Re:Change Universities by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Actually, yes it does mean that. Trailing zeroes are always insignificant, unless they're indicated otherwise with either a decimal point at the end or a bar on top. I haven't seen any of those here.

  2. Poor Google? by Roger+Lindsjo · · Score: 2

    Did I understand this correctly, linking to content is the same as providing a copy of the content and requires a fee? Does that mean that Google Canda is next?

    1. Re:Poor Google? by ThePeices · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Poor Google? How about poor Canadian WWW, almost every website that's hosted in Canada has at least one hyperlink to an external site, the contents of which are copyrighted.

    2. Re:Poor Google? by PIBM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I find interesting is that for 27.50$ per year per student, they have a blanket permission to reproduce any copyrighted work (should I understand the summary correctly) ... That's such a small fee vs what people have had to pay for limited copyright infringements..

    3. Re:Poor Google? by Auroch · · Score: 3, Informative

      What I find interesting is that for 27.50$ per year per student, they have a blanket permission to reproduce any copyrighted work (should I understand the summary correctly) ... That's such a small fee vs what people have had to pay for limited copyright infringements..

      Not quite blanket. No music, and nothing that would reproduce the entire work, unless that work is short and/or monumental.

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    4. Re:Poor Google? by Sulphur · · Score: 2

      Did I understand this correctly, linking to content is the same as providing a copy of the content and requires a fee? Does that mean that Google Canda is next?

      Yes, and then the world.

    5. Re:Poor Google? by msobkow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seeing as they contractually treat sending a link as making a photocopy, it would seem that you are now allowed to photocopy entire works under this new agreement.

      Not a bad perk for the price increase at all.

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    6. Re:Poor Google? by trolman · · Score: 2

      For the low price of 19.95 I will let them do anything they want on the Internet.

    7. Re:Poor Google? by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Funny

      Haha, you think this extends to textbooks.

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  3. Is this some sort of joke? by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'd think the Universities would be the last to cave in to a blatant demand for protection money.

    Can they really be serious? Linking is equivalent to a copyright?

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    1. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Apparently it's also equivalent to seeing the full page, as if merely sharing the title of a paper was all you needed to share a document.

    2. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Somebody high up in the university administrations got bribed, is my guess. I honestly can't think of any other reasonable explanation.

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    3. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Next up: referencing ISBN numbers is considered photocopying.

      Later: SHOCKING BREAKING NEWS: Every reputable peer-reviewed field is engaged in MASSIVE copyright infringement! Just look at all the links at the end of all these articles - we can't have that!

      Still later: Per resulting legislation, no peer-reviewed articles or texts can include references, and every reference on Wikipedia has by law been replaced with [citation removed].

    4. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2

      I have edited the Encyclopedia Britannica down to a far more powerful, potent form. It follows below.

      .

      There. You now know everything.

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    5. Re:Is this some sort of joke? by Heddahenrik · · Score: 2

      I would actually think that they caved in for psychological reasons. The mafia sent some very angry frightening people to them, and they felt that the only way to stop this terror is to pay up. The university staff was probably just trying to do the very right thing, and then the terror convinced them that strangling free flow of information and start sponsoring more terrorism was the only thing that is surely legal.

  4. This [nonsense] would not fly in the US of A... by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Access Copyright that allows for surveillance of faculty correspondence, defines e-mailing hyperlinks as equivalent to photocopying a document...

    How can emailing a hyper-link be equivalent to photocopying? When one photocopies, they then get a physical copy of a document. On the other hand, e-mailing a hyper-link provides no such physical object.

    Here's how to circumvent the insanity: Email actual documents and then argue that *no* hyper-links were emailed as required by the stipulation. How about that?

    1. Re:This [nonsense] would not fly in the US of A... by Skapare · · Score: 2

      Just tweet the links, instead.

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    2. Re:This [nonsense] would not fly in the US of A... by izomiac · · Score: 2

      My guess is that someone doesn't know what the "L" in "URL" stands for. If that's not the case, I've got some directions (to a bridge) I'd like to sell...

  5. Anti-scientific? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This practice sounds like complete the opposite of the principles of scientific research.

    1. Re:Anti-scientific? by hism · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The prevailing trend in Canada seems to be drifting way from scientific research: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16861468

      Each time I read a new article about my country, I become more and more ashamed to be Canadian...

    2. Re:Anti-scientific? by Amadablam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This practice sounds like complete the opposite of the principles of scientific research.

      Of course. Publishers aren't in this for the science.

    3. Re:Anti-scientific? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Funny

      See, people keep saying Canada is just another part of the USA, but you guys never believe us...

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    4. Re:Anti-scientific? by ae1294 · · Score: 2

      This practice sounds like complete the opposite of the principles of scientific research.

      Of course. Publishers aren't in this for the science.

      Science is for the weak, extort er marketing non-existent protection is for sharks.

    5. Re:Anti-scientific? by nadaou · · Score: 2

      Don't be ashamed to be Canadian, be furious that the current excuse for a government is sitting back while the local bully is freely wandering around destroying your town (and if they are in cahoots with said bully it's time to organize the neighbors to run them all out of town come next election).

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  6. Privacy law disagrees by munky99999 · · Score: 2

    Except in Canada you have to give them the right to monitor email or internet traffic as you do have reasonable expectation of privacy.

    Simply have to refuse to sign any paperwork which gives them the right to monitor. If they do monitor and try to do anything then they are basically providing evidence that makes your lawsuit very easy.

    1. Re:Privacy law disagrees by Auroch · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except in Canada you have to give them the right to monitor email or internet traffic as you do have reasonable expectation of privacy.

      Simply have to refuse to sign any paperwork which gives them the right to monitor. If they do monitor and try to do anything then they are basically providing evidence that makes your lawsuit very easy.

      One of the universities I attended had some BS clause about allowing them to give access of my information and documents to third parties as they saw fit. I argued it up to the dean and was eventually told that if I wanted to continue in the program, I needed to sign the clause.

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    2. Re:Privacy law disagrees by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're in Canada, you should have demanded your money back. They have no right to give your information away, or force you to sign it away like that. It's a violation of the privacy act. Hell, if you are canadian and are in Canada, and this happened I'd consider filing a complaint to the privacy commissioner over it anyway.

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    3. Re:Privacy law disagrees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IANAL, but you DID sign the document. You didn't write your name, but it was you who physically signed it. Judges don't look fondly upon jokes like that.

  7. And in other news by Skapare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Use of encryption, and international email services on HTTPS, has started to rise in Canada.

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    1. Re:And in other news by Paracelcus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Encryption should be used routinely (just because)!

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  8. Re:More Sources by zill · · Score: 5, Informative

    The agreement reached last month with the licensing agency includes provisions defining e-mailing hyperlinks as equivalent to photocopying a document, an annual $27.50 fee for every full-time equivalent student and surveillance of academic staff email.

  9. May violate collective agreements by sdavid · · Score: 4, Informative

    Monitoring faculty email in this way may well violate the U of T's collective agreement with their faculty. I'm at another Canadian university, and I'm pretty sure it would violate ours.

  10. Two Universities by bky1701 · · Score: 2

    ...that no one intelligent will ever apply to again. Good job; now watch your rankings fall like the stones in your university administrators' heads.

  11. Insane by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    I heard about the "copyright police" at university, where a bunch of petty small-dicked wankers have nothing better to do, then to get paid by scumbag publishers to hang around photocopiers to make sure nobody's copying too much.

    Clearly, some fat cat assholes at Elsevier and friends are afraid of losing their obscene 45% profit margins.

    But intrusive surveillance to monitor in case somebody might link to somebody copyrighted, is bizarre and utterly extreme. It's a bit like burning down the entire forest, just because there might be a snake somewhere. But then, with corporatist extremists seemingly on the march everywhere, and seemingly completely untouchable these days, little surprises me.

  12. Outrageous by Grieviant · · Score: 2

    I honestly can't believe that U of T and Western would be bullied into to such an outrageous proposition, even if they were being paid money in an attempt by Access Copyright to gain a foothold so that other universities will fall in line. Although this upstanding company can surely be trusted with the contents of all faculty and student e-mail correspondences, including those containing original research ideas and algorithms that aren't intended to be disclosed to anyone else, it just doesn't sound like a good idea.

  13. Re:Make a script to generate random links by themusicgod1 · · Score: 2

    "Hacking" like that is probably enough to get you expelled.

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  14. Just what I was going to say. by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

    I was about to say that I don't see the difference between URL-as-reference and international-standard-Harvard-system-referencing. Neither gives the reader access to something they wouldn't otherwise be able to see, and neither reproduces any content. This is a ludicrous state of affairs.

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  15. Re:Random Redirection NOW! by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, that makes me think... If they're monitoring your emails, start appending links to three random charities in each email, and demand that those charities get their cut....

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  16. Gonna be lonely, by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2
    When no one deals with them electronically, I'm guessing that the criminal researchers and students will have to submit all their PDFs and .doc files for approval too, since they also might have links in them. And if you're an academic working with them, you have to have your work inspected for purity.

    Why would anyone at universities that haven't gone batshit crazy deal with these morons? Aren't links kind like what the web is about? Canada is getting it's tubes tied. With roughly the same result

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  17. So Where's My Cut? by avgjoe62 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have a blog that I write and own the copyright on. Will Access Copyright send me my cut if a student happens to send a link to my blog to a friend? And what if they send a link to their own blog? Will that student now be entitled to a partial refund of their 27.50 Canadian?

    Seems like this could be a revenue stream that bloggers may have to wake up to!!

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    1. Re:So Where's My Cut? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      Of course they will when that amount gets to a high enough amount to cover the cost of writing a check. Now you have to keep in mind that there is only $0.50 per student being distributed to copyright holders, the rest of the $27.50 per student goes to the administrative costs that Access Copyright incurs to facilitate this process (I may be underestimating their administrative costs).

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  18. Obligitory by forkfail · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, Stallman's The Right To Read may be getting linked a lot (for free, still) - but it is so apt.

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  19. Students & Faculty Attack Agreement by ancarett · · Score: 5, Informative

    Via Ariel Katz, UofT Students and Faculty Demand Suspending the Access Copyright Agreement

    I'm on faculty at a different Canadian university. So far, we've cut no deal with Access Copyright yet and I hope we stay strong. You can bet that I'm asking our union to keep an eye on the situation as it relates to the privacy rights of students and faculty!

    Ironically, I benefit financially from Access Copyright, having registered as an author with them years ago when a colleague pointed out they were collecting money on my behalf, whether or not I made my claim against them. I'd much rather take a few hundred dollars out of their pockets to pass onto a copyfighting cause each year!

    If my university does cave to Access Copyright, I'll cease using my university email. It'll be annoying to switch away from an address I've used for twenty years, but better than seeming to acquiesce to further indignities. I suspect that we'll see more and more academics exploring that option if Toronto and Western are setting a trend.

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    1. Re:Students & Faculty Attack Agreement by dcollins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've worked at two universities and both, during my time there, have had IT departments evolve to demand that all communications be done by in-house email (i.e., "we cannot reply to personal email addresses for security reasons"). It seems (a) dumb, (b) not really a security benefit, (c) a violation of academic/speech freedom, and (d) unsustainable if anyone outside wants to communicate with us (i.e., break the whole structure of email itself).

      But it's the first thing I thought of with this "monitor faculty email" bit. Link that with "all correspondence must be by faculty email" and then you've got a real academic dystopia going.

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  20. No by stephanruby · · Score: 2

    That's such a small fee vs what people have had to pay for limited copyright infringements..

    Keep in mind that the flat fee last year was $3.75 (which was paid through the University), plus an additional sum per page for course packs (which are usually paid and collected through the stores where the course packs are purchased).

    And if I'm reading the article and the backgrounder correctly, the flat fee has increased to $27.50, but the additional fee for each page hasn't gone away, and most likely the traditional penalties for copyright infringement haven't gone away either (if nothing else, the number of those so-called copyright "infringements" may begin exploding, where previously there used to be none, now that Access-Copyright is trying to creatively redefine and broaden what an infringement is supposed to be).
     

  21. Re:Universities by Phrogman · · Score: 2

    From what I can see, Universities in Canada are now more about making money and less about education. Not that you can't get a good education in the process but they are very focused on maximizing the amount of money generated.
    At University of Victoria, they added an Engineering Department, it got a brand new building, tons of funding etc, and the reasoning at the time was that it would generate revenue via patents etc.
    Meanwhile the Fine Arts department languished in the same ancient Quonset huts it had been in for 20 years or more, and didn't get a building of its own for another 10 years or so.
    Students these days pay as much for 1 years tuition as I did for 3 years or more back in the late 70s/early 80s. I used to spend about $200 on all my books for a year, now some books cost over $100 easily.
    I think the Businessification (if I can coin a term) of the University system is only going to continue sadly.

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  22. OH NOES by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    If only there were a way to encrypt attachments, or ideally an entire email!

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