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North Korea Agrees To Suspend Nuclear Activities

Hugh Pickens writes writes "In a breakthrough in negotiations with the secretive communist nation the Guardian reports that North Korea has agreed to suspend nuclear activities and to a moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile tests. According to U.S. State department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, North Korea has agreed to allow International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors to verify and monitor the moratorium on uranium enrichment and confirm disablement of its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon. In return for the moratorium on nuclear activities at this key site, the United States has agreed to finalize a package of 240,000 metric tons of nutritional assistance to North Korea. There will be intensive monitoring to assure the delivery of such assistance is made to those in need, and not diverted to the military or government elites."

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  1. Still in violation by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In 1992 North Korea agreed to keep the peninsula free of nuclear weapons.

    But let's be optimistic, maybe this time around the inspectors will be allowed to do inspections.

    1. Re:Still in violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In 1992 North Korea agreed to keep the peninsula free of nuclear weapons.

      and in return the U.S., Japan and S. Korea would build light water reactors in N. Korea. The construction stalled and the rest is history. It is not just about whether N.Korea allows inspectors. There is no free lunch. N. Korea won't give it up without rewards.

    2. Re:Still in violation by HBI · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Next time they want something, the inspectors are kicked out and more nuke and missile tests.

      Essentially, we bribed them with food to keep quiet through an election year. Nice.

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    3. Re:Still in violation by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Alternatively, we sent desperately needed food to people who are starving to death by the tens of thousands and got a temporary concession out of the North Korean government in the process. And don't tell me it just supports the dictatorship either, do you really think the people of North Korea are about to rise up and overthrow the Kim family business? It's not going to happen until something major goes down, either a military coupe from within or a 2 week war with one of their neighbors, neither of which will be effected by us giving them food aide.

    4. Re:Still in violation by HBI · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Starvation is a great motivator. Feeding the people extends the regime's lifespan. Stalin feared famine. Napoleon understood this. The Romans understood it, too.

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    5. Re:Still in violation by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Informative

      Stalin used famine to crush those who opposed him. He caused one! Holodomor not ringing a fucking bell for you?

      North Korea saw true famine in the 90s, it only made their people more sure that the west was the evil empire. Famine only proves to the people of North Korea that we are their enemies and only the Kims are keeping them alive.

    6. Re:Still in violation by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      You don't know about the North Korean Famine?
      The "Arduous March" is not something you are familier with, but you think we should take your opinion seriously?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

      Famine is not new to North Korea, it will not topple their regime.

    7. Re:Still in violation by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So genocide is a relatively small thing?
      Google Holodomor. 2+ million people died, at the very least. The state prevented food aid from reaching these people. Even the US govt recognizes this as an act of genocide.

    8. Re:Still in violation by Desler · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's so cute that you think they'll will actually use this food for anything but feeding the military and the government people or to sell it for money. You do realize that dictators routinely lie about these things, right?

    9. Re:Still in violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's a little tidbit from Slate: ... he seized all the grain and food that was grown in 1932 and 1933 to feed the rest of Russia and raise foreign capital, and in doing so left the entire Ukrainian people with nothing to eat—except, sometimes, themselves. ...

      One more horror story. About a group of women who sought to protect children from cannibals by gathering them in an "orphanage" in the Kharkov region:

              "One day the children suddenly fell silent, we turned around to see what was happening, and they were eating the smallest child, little Petrus. They were tearing strips from him and eating them. And Petrus was doing the same, he was tearing strips from himself and eating them, he ate as much as he could. The other children put their lips to his wounds and drank his blood. We took the child away from their hungry mouths and we cried."

      If interested, read the whole article at http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/stalins_cannibals.single.html

    10. Re:Still in violation by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      North Korea isn't being denied or dictated anything. Its being offered a deal. If they don't want 240,000 tons of food they don't have to accept it. They could continue to spend their money on nuclear research and ignore their starving citizens.

  2. Been there, done that by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm more than a little Tired of reading about all these triumphant negotiation sessions over the years where NK promises to be a good boy just long enough to get the trade concessions, only to violate the agreement shortly there after. This is like the third or forth president in a row that has been duped by these tactics. As each agreement falls apart, there are the usual dire warnings about "grave consequences". These are the code words by which the US State Department looks tough, but signals the other side that the only "grave" involved is the one in which the whole issue will be buried as soon as the grandstanding is over with.

    Son of Whack-Job, and Grandson of Whack-a-Doodle has absolutely no incentive to honor this agreement any more than his predecessors did the prior ones. However, a certain government leader needs a feather in his re-election hat. So we get another useless agreement with a perpetual liar state.

     

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    1. Re:Been there, done that by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh for some mod points...

      Yea, Six Party talks, humanitarian assistance, blah, blah, blah. Instead of giving them the reward ahead of time, how about an agreement where they have to do something first and get the carrot afterward?

    2. Re:Been there, done that by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of oppressed, hungry people will get some food to eat. It will be like Christmas for them.

      Isn't that a good enough reason to allow yourself to be "duped" once in a while...?

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    3. Re:Been there, done that by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of oppressing, poorly-fed soldiers will get more food to eat plus some for their relatives. It will be like Christmas for them as they get to use the extra food to reward their favorites.

      Isn't that a good enough reason to allow yourself to be "duped" once in a while...?

      FTFY

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    4. Re:Been there, done that by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is like coming to a conclusion with an abusive husband that you'll supply his wife with band-aids.

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  3. Re:Suspend not end by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. Once again, the West plays grocery store to NK, propping up the dictatorship so they can continue development of nuclear weapons, sell military tech to our enemies, shell South Korea and oppress their own people to the point of starvation. The phrase rinse and repeat comes to mind.

  4. As Usual... by JeanCroix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hoping for the best, expecting the worst. Could the change in leadership really amount to actual change this quickly?

    1. Re:As Usual... by JeanCroix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All that may be true, but I think the bigger question would be about his father's cronies who are still there. Just because he's the new leader, it doesn't necessarily follow that he immediately has all of his father's power and influence. And if he moves too quickly away from the policies of the past, I'm sure it could put him at risk within his own power structure. NK is about to enter "interesting times," for better or worse.

  5. Not that they needed nukes to begin with... by l00sr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlike, say, Iran, NK doesn't actually need nukes to level its sworn enemy. It would probably be faster and more convenient to just level Seoul with conventional artillery. Is there any doubt that their nuclear program is just a bartering commodity for aid?

  6. Kim Jong-un by PPH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You get one chance to keep your word. This is it.

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  7. Re:Suspend not end by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only way keeping food aide out of North Korea is going to take down the dictatorship is if so many North Korean civilians die of starvation that there aren't enough peasants left to support the military. The upper levels just don't care if their people die, and the common people are too overworked, hungry, brainwashed, and outnumbered to even consider rising up in rebellion.

  8. It's either this or send in the Marines by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Talk is cheap, but at least it's cheaper than body bags. I do like that even the most official statements on this seem to be the equivalent of "Welp, here we go again."

    “The United States still has profound concerns regarding North Korean behavior across a wide range of areas, but today’s announcement reflects important, if limited, progress in addressing some of these,” said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.

    Those words were echoed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who called the agreement a “modest first step in the right direction.”

    I think that's Pol-speak for "We've played this game before, we know how it ends, but what's the alternative?"

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  9. Re:So? by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

    North Korea still the best Korea!

    No way - North Korea has no Seoul.

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  10. Why is the USA footing the bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems like the USA is always picking up the tab on stuff like this. Why not NATO?

  11. Re:Suspend not end by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The lack of food giveaways may not bring down the NK dictatorship, but the presence of the aid helps it. Why pay to help a government that is so immutably hostile to us? It does nothing to further our interests. We get no real concessions, just lip service until they have extracted more tribute from us. This is not theoretical, we have been down this road many times before and NK has proven themselves reliably dishonest.

    NK is China's client state, let China feed their populace.

  12. Re:Suspend not end by PRMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a new leader. A goodwill gesture toward getting him to be friends with the international community is not a lost cause. He is not his father and may decide that he would rather move in the direction that China has moved. This is a good move for the US to make.

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  13. Re:Metric 'Tons'? by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You misspelled "megagram."

  14. Re:Suspend not end by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a new leader. A goodwill gesture toward getting him to be friends with the international community is not a lost cause.

    I like your optimism. Mine is exhausted by decades of history on this issue, but I salute your willingness to try again.

  15. Re:China by VikingOfNorth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    NK provides the crazy uncle that China needs to cover some of the things it does in regard to Tibet, Taiwan, and Iran. China is not going to get on board with any program of regime change in NK.

    I know this isn't of much value since I can't quote my references, but I remember hearing/reading about this particular matter and it actually seems China is getting slightly frustrated with its "crazy uncle". It makes sense, actually: NK requires a lot of material aid yet provides very little of concrete value in return. The only thing China really wants from NK is to act as a strong buffer against the capitalistic influence of SK, and by now, I suppose they've realized that this particular concern is rather insignificant. If NK becomes even more dependant on Chinese aid, it's possible that even China will have a change of mind.

    It's also hard to believe that China is particularly happy about a "new" nuclear power rising very close to it's borders, especially since the ruling despot family has proven to be very eager to test its arsenal every once in a while.

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  16. Re:Food is fungible. by nahdude812 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Start dumping cheap/free food on their markets, put all the local farmers out of business.

    Those don't exist in DPRK, at least not legally. The "Market" was extinguished in the 60's. Almost everything you get comes from the government, and money is almost symbolic. Until the later part of the 80's peasants were not even permitted a private garden for producing their own food.

    Also, only about 1/5 of North Korea is arable. This is a country which falls far short of being able to produce enough food to feed its people even under ideal circumstances. Since most farms of any significant size are government owned or controlled, and those working them are not guaranteed any share of what they produce. Aid to the people is a good thing, and trying to spin it otherwise is disingenuous.