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Have We Lost Our Privacy To the Internet?

An anonymous reader writes "An article in the Guardian, penned by Joss Wright and Tom Chatfield, discusses whether we — as in Internet users in general — are, or indeed are not, giving away way too much information about ourselves to large Corporations that profit handsomely from mining the info. The article talks about how contemporary internet companies — perhaps predictably — are run with a 'privacy is dead' motto. It considers what implications having all your private data out on the internet — where it can be seen, searched, shared, retransmitted, perhaps archived forever without your consent — has for the 'future of our society' (by which the authors presumably mean the society of the UK). The (rather long) article ends by mentioning that Gmail scans your email, that Facebook apps frequently send your private data right to the app developer, that iPhones are known to log your geographic location, and that some smartphone apps read your address book and messages, then dial home to transmit this info to the company that developed the app."

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  1. I believe so. by GmExtremacy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many people just don't seem to care about privacy any more. And indeed, with people accepting the Patriot Act (in the US) and adopting the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" mentality, I think things will only get worse.

    Some places are installing cameras everywhere in public places due to a criminal paranoia. Even if you don't technically have privacy in most public places, the cameras just make this even worse. They're not comparable at all to normal humans spotting you because these cameras are everywhere at once and can (and do) record everything they see (unlike a human's faulty memory, the cameras won't forget anything).

    Then there's the whole problem of people willingly giving up all of their information to websites like Facebook. I personally have no doubt that there will come a time when privacy violations and spying are seen as normal and acceptable. In fact, that might already be largely true.

    1. Re:I believe so. by Zaelath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People seem confused in the differences between "I do nothing illegal" and "I have nothing to hide". If you like to cross dress you most certainly have something to hide from your biker mates, or the chaps at the tennis club, or your patients at the dental surgery, or pretty much anyone else that doesn't enjoy your subculture. Yet there's nothing illegal there.

    2. Re:I believe so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_tax

      The window tax was a property tax based on the number of windows in a house. It was a significant social, cultural, and architectural force in England, France and Scotland during the 18th and 19th centuries. To avoid the tax some houses from the period can be seen to have bricked-up window-spaces (ready to be glazed at a later date), as a result of the tax.

      At that time, many people in Britain opposed income tax, on principle, because they believed that the disclosure of personal income represented an unacceptable governmental intrusion into private matters, and a potential threat to personal liberty.

      The bigger the house, the more windows it was likely to have, and the more tax the occupants would pay. Nevertheless, the tax was unpopular, because it was seen by some as a tax on "light and air".

    3. Re:I believe so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We spent thousands of years with no privacy whatsoever.

      Thankfully, we realized (and have forgotten, apparently) that privacy is not only preferable, but is important to keep the government in check. A government that can break into anyone's house, spy on anyone, and look for the slightest infraction is one that is most prone to abuse.

    4. Re:I believe so. by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except, this isnt the government, it is the "private sector". You might find this a quandary, but consider that a company has your data and you must pay them to keep it away from the free press. Sure, it might be extortion now... but wouldnt that be blocking "free trade"?
      You see... when corporations own the government, there is no stopping them to endeavor to make you their slave.
      Even monetary systems can be manipulated into slavery. For example, Communism. But instead of the government controlling everything, companies do.
      And well... since companies are people... it turns into the one thing everyone has hated and feared since the 1920s.

    5. Re:I believe so. by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      People seem confused in the differences between "I do nothing illegal" and "I have nothing to hide".

      Exactly. I suggest that all those who equate wanting privacy with being criminals be forced to carry out their personal necessities like bathing, grooming and using the restroom on national television. We can call it the "but you've got nothing to hide you dumb shit" show.

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    6. Re:I believe so. by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the state and private enterprise routinely pass data back and forth between the barrier to get around the regs.. it's a hybrid situation so blaming just one of them is pointless..

  2. Semantic Gripe, incoming! by PessimysticRaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I take serious issue with anything that implies a person's problem is because of "The Internet." Like the poster above (and many more to come, I bet), people simply don't care anymore. If the Internet can be held responsible for anything, anymore, it's enabling people that are so desperate for attention, they need to inform others of every minutiae of their life.

    Or I could have simply interpreted the title incorrectly; it is a silly thing.

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  3. The irony by kakyoin01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone else find it ironic that an anonymous reader submitted an article about losing privacy?

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    1. Re:The irony by robably · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just you and Alanis Morrisette, at a guess.

    2. Re:The irony by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyone else find it ironic that an anonymous reader submitted an article about losing privacy?

      Seems like the opposite of ironic to me. If you think leaving a permanent record of your actions on the internet is bad for you, then it stands to reason you would do as much as possible to remain anonymous in those actions.

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  4. But really what are they collecting? by Apothem · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think it'd bother us as much if we knew EXACTLY what data they were collecting. Perhaps a policy of some kind when a company is collecting information, they would have to show a sample of what the collected information would look like and how it would be protected. If you think about it, if there is physical proof that your information isn't as identifiable as everyone may think it is, it would probably put a lot of fear at ease. Especially if one knew that the stuff that would make anon data identifiable was missing as a whole.

  5. Nah by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chill. Entropy wins every time.

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  6. Re:Just try shutting down your facebook account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You have plenty to hide. You just don't know who it needs to be hidden from yet.

  7. No, you gave it away by mindcandy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It wasn't "lost" nor was it "taken" .. you traded it for better prizes (free search, free storage, whatever).

  8. To give away or not to give away our privacy by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Privacy is a commodity - a private commodity

    Each of us has our own privacy, and each of us interpret "Privacy" a little bit differently

    As to whether we have given away our privacy to the corporations, I think it's too much of a blanket statement

    You see, privacy is ours to begin with. The decision of whether not our privacy is handed over to the corporation largely falls into our own hand

    If you decide to value your own privacy, then you won't reveal your own real identity online - and there are many ways to keep your real earth identity separate from your online identity

    Plus, if you are so afraid that huge corporations like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook may be gathering your privacy, then you should take step to ensure that whatever they gather from your activities online would not reflect who you are, in real life

    Do not blame the corporations if you reveal everything yourself

    And one more very important thing - Your privacy is not only in danger on the Internet

    There are other areas that your privacy might be revealed to others - like your medical history, your driving licence, your voting records, the secret files the government (governments ?) keeps on you, et cetera

    Do not think that just because your online privacy is threatened that your off-line privacy is not

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    1. Re:To give away or not to give away our privacy by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree, living in a bubble is awesome! Steve Jobs did!

      It's not "living in a bubble"

      It's merely living your own life without having to tell the world everything about yourself

      I've friends who are loud mouths and they will tell everything about everybody, including everything about themselves to the world

      Hey, to those people, they are willingly revealing where they work, how much they earn, who their doctors are, what type of disease they have, what political inclination they belong to, and so on ...

      For people like that, don't blame the corporations if one day they can't purchase health insurance no more because everyone know that they gonna have cancer to the liver/lung/whatever in the future

      One other thing, these "other ways to protect your privacy" cost money. So, either way companies are still making money off of you.

      Who says that you need to pay to protect your privacy?

      All you need to do is to zip your mouth shut and to be extra careful of what you do online and off-line

      If I do not want people to know where I shop, when I shop, how much I pay for milk a month, I don't shop in ONE store and I don't use my credit card when I do my shopping

      If I do not want people to know the frequency of my travelling from Detroit to Chicago, then I change my mode of transportation often - fly some times, drive some other times

      It all boils down to what you do with your own live

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