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Employers Need Wind Power Technicians

Hugh Pickens writes "NPR reports that Oklahoma is one state benefitting from the energy boom. With a wind power rush underway, companies are competing to secure the windiest spots, while breathing life into small towns. The problem is, each turbine requires regular maintenance during its 20-year lifespan, with a requirement of one turbine technician for every 10 turbines on the ground. So even with a job that can pay a good starting salary (for technicians with a GED or high school diploma who complete a four-week turbine maintenance training program), there aren't enough qualified technicians to do the work. 'It seems odd, with America's unemployment problem, to have a shortage of workers for a job that can pay in excess of $20 per hour. But being a turbine technician isn't easy,' says Logan Layden, adding that technicians typically have to climb 300 foot high towers to service the turbines. Oscar Briones is one of about a dozen students who recently finished a maintenance training program after leaving his job as a motorcycle mechanic and now has his pick of employers. 'So I was in the market to find something else to do, and this seemed pretty exciting. Being 300 feet in the air, that's pretty exciting in its self. So yeah, I'm a thrill seeker.'"

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  1. Oh please by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If heights is the reason for the lack of people then we have really lost our way. Reference the pictures of the guys building the Empire State Building, are they saying we couldn't get people to do that now? The reality here is either you have an industry that is too new and unorganized, a union that is putting a choke holds on the labor pool, or some other dumb ass bureaucratic reason that is making the country noncompetitive.

    1. Re:Oh please by cptdondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever done manual labor?

      Climb up a 300' tower with tools?

      I work in a manual labor industry. It's no joke. These guys and gals work hard, and it's not an easy job. The only time you see them is when it's sunny and nice, because that's when you're out walking your dog. How about when it's 31 degrees, freezing rain, and you're knee deep in freezing water? For an 8 hour shift? You're not out there because it's too miserable; you're at home under the blanket watching TV. They're out there working.

      Try getting out there, and working at the top of even a 60' bucket truck, in high wind. Now try it at the top of a 300' tower, in freezing cold wind.

      If these were union jobs, they'd be going for $40+. The $20/hour thing tells me they're not union.

    2. Re:Oh please by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You need to turn your bullshit filter on ... what they say there is a lack of workers, what they mean is they don't really want to pay 20$ an hour.

    3. Re:Oh please by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If heights is the reason for the lack of people then we have really lost our way. Reference the pictures of the guys building the Empire State Building, are they saying we couldn't get people to do that now?

      The Empire State workers didn't go through modern public school's 12 years of "Rah rah rah! I'm great for no particular reason!"

    4. Re:Oh please by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. $20 an hour is less then what trash collectors and janitors around here. $30 seems like it would be the starting point for this work.

      Google around a bit and you'll find skilled ironworkers seem to average about $30. $20 is a bit too low for apprentices, there are some ultra low rate areas where $20 would be decent apprentice wage but "most areas" seem to pull just a little more, low twenties is about right.

      Hmm. If I wanted to climb giant metal structures and get all sweaty, the free market wage for a generic iron worker is about $30/hr, or I could go in the green industry and starve my children on $20/hr. Golly I wonder which I would select?

      Electricians get paid a little more than ironworkers, so entering the field in that direction doesn't work.

      Its a very limited supply of workers... Not unskilled labor, takes years to figure out what you're doing. Its a young mans game (I'm too old, and I'm not that old...) and you need what by American standards is excellent physical fitness, and you need to not be a follower, because the followers all went to college and graduated with a diploma in multicultural studies, $100K in debt, and a coffee barrista job to pay it off, and you have to be at least median to above median smart to literally survive the job.

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    5. Re:Oh please by ayjay29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was at an open day at a wind turbine. They had a small cage lift that could take two people at a time to the top, it took a long time, and there were a few people in the queue. As a joke I asked the operator "Can I climb up the ladder? it will be quicker!". Instead of saying "No, don't be stupid!" he handed me a harness and said "Of course! Go ahead...". Not being one to turn down a challenge I put the harness on, cliped in, and headed up the ladder. It was hard work, and I was not carrying any tools. It was also a bit scary.

      I'd take that job. The climb to work is good excercise, and the view from the top is amazing.

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  2. Sounds Good. by smpoole7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't climb the towers for our radio stations. I know a few maintenance engineers who do, but they're rare. Tower crews get thousands of dollars per day to do the climbing. Just to relamp our 350' towers at one of our stations costs about $750 per (and we have 5 of them).

    So yeah, I can imagine that they're looking for people who will climb 300' towers for $20 an hour. Good luck with that. :)

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    1. Re:Sounds Good. by grumling · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Back when I climbed telephone poles for a living (and had the body that goes along with it), I regularly climbed towers for our amateur radio repeater network. Once you're in place and tied down, the work is actually fairly easy. But we had a lot of ground support (and ropes and pulleys) to do the heavy lifting. But the first time you go above 50 feet or so it gets a little unnerving.

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    2. Re:Sounds Good. by vlm · · Score: 5, Informative

      I regularly climbed towers for our amateur radio repeater network

      Been there done that although I am more of a weak signal VHF operator.

      Another issue is also the weather. Light breeze with two feet on the ground turns into OMG freaking hurricane 100 feet up. Both psychologically and meteorologically. Hams have the luxury of waiting for a perfectly calm day. The real tower workers earn their dough on the bad weather days.

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    3. Re:Sounds Good. by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 5, Informative

      Working my way through college in Kansas, I worked for the college as a student employee. One part of my job was to climb the towers for maintenance. We had several 50 footers, a couple hundred footers, and the main tower was 500 feet. I actually had a plane circle the tower below me one day while changing a light bulb.

      As a student employee, I had very little skills or knowledge, and a bit of competition for any job. I got paid $7.50/hr wither I was sitting at a workbench or climbing a tower. God, I was so stupid. Carrying tools up was like weightlifting on a StairMaster with the chance that somebody would put a bullet in your head at any second. The tower had been there about 7 years, and most of the guys that had erected it were dead. There is an incredible mortality rate for tower workers. One of my friends was climbing when a chunk of ice fell and hit his hard hat, almost knocking him unconscious. There were so many dangers, it was literally "criminal" to put an uninformed kid on it. You could die from falling (blown off or a rung rust through underneath the paint), electrocution (you're on the tallest metallic structure for miles, and lightning strikes even in clear skies), and impacts (falling ice and broken metal parts or antennas).

      Back in the early '90s the going rate for tower climbing was a buck a foot, and it would take a full hour to climb and descend the 500 footer. So $20/hr to go up, fix it, and climb down? Kiss my ass. I have skills and experience now, I don't have to risk my life for that insultingly small amount of money anymore.

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    4. Re:Sounds Good. by smpoole7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And here's the thing ... Jim, the guy who runs the tower company that we use, is always looking for experienced climbers. So, how long will it be before tower companies start raiding these $20 an hour guys, promising more money and better benefits? :)

      These wind turbine people didn't think their fiendishly-clever plan all the way through. You ALWAYS factor the cost of maintenance into a business plan. ALWAYS.

      It might actually have been cheaper to build the turbines so that the assembly could be raised and lowered for service. Would have cost more up front, but would have saved in the long run. Heck, ham operators have been doing that with their antennas for decades. :)

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    5. Re:Sounds Good. by anethema · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm an RF tech in Northern Canada. On a perfect day, with no wind, and warm weather, it can still be challenging. There are days at -30, 70kph winds, and you're trying to carefully point an 8 foot dish at something 50km away, it can be no picnic.

      Every radio technician I know basically has his pick of locations to work. I was working in a much balmier area for the first part of my career, and when I was looking to make more money, I essentially was offered a job as soon as I could start in every city I called.

      I picked the one that offered a good wage and appeared to treat their employees well.

      But it can get pretty forbidding and most companies go through quite a few Junior guys before finding one that has the right mix of bravery, problem solving skill, and responsibility to be a good radio tech long term.

      When you have to dress like this:
      http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6970622485_5ebeeba3e8_z.jpg

      Or like this:
      http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7047/6824493552_3f21a9e218_z.jpg

      to climb up a 300 foot tower and work on something, you feel like you've earned the higher dollars you get paid.

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  3. hmm by chickenrob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are over 1000 electricians out of work in my local electrical union. Any of us would be glad to do that work, but they are not willing to pay qualified electricians to do the work.

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    1. Re:hmm by chill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because if you do that, nothing better will come along. The rate for the jobs that come along will start to align with the lower rates.

      This is what caused the unions to form to begin with. Large, dangerous industry like mining and manufacturing, paid enough for people to survive but not enough for them to ever prosper. It was a form of "voluntary" indentured servitude.

      If everyone got together and demanded better conditions or raises, they would get fired and replaced with the never-ending line of people desperate just to survive. Only by striking and creating a picket line to actually shut down business would any real change ever get made.

      For a modern example, see the stories on Foxcon and China. We in the West gape in horror at the working conditions and pittance for wages. But compared to the other options -- subsistence farming, etc. -- it is fantastic. If a worker doesn't toe the line, they're fired and replaced with any one of the teeming masses desperate to escape the crushing poverty they now live in.

      Yes, it can go too far. See the auto industry and the various stories about Teacher's unions where people clock in, then punch out for a 5 hour lunch, etc.

      But the whole "take the cut for now because something better will come along" doesn't scale.

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    2. Re:hmm by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Middle class wages are stagnant because (a) middle class workers are slacking, and (b) the government is eating up any possible extra money, and (c) inflating the currency enough to make savings worthless.

      A and B are factually incorrect. Productivity in the United States has been on a constant rise for the last 60 years. This would directly contradict A because it indicates more and more output is being produced by the workers.

      The total tax rate on people is lower now than practically anytime in the last 50 years.

      C is totally true, though. That an real inflation -- the cost of food, housing, energy, etc. -- has increased to keep pace with wage inflation. This makes it next to impossible to accept lower wages and actually keep your home/car. Unfortunately, with the housing market as is, moving isn't really much of an option. The housing crash has seriously curtailed the mobility of the workforce.

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    3. Re:hmm by guanxi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is what caused the unions to form to begin with. Large, dangerous industry like mining and manufacturing, paid enough for people to survive but not enough for them to ever prosper. It was a form of "voluntary" indentured servitude.

      If everyone got together and demanded better conditions or raises, they would get fired and replaced with the never-ending line of people desperate just to survive. Only by striking and creating a picket line to actually shut down business would any real change ever get made.

      It was more than that. Employers politically dominated the towns. Oppose them and nobody would do business with you, your bank would call in your mortgage, and you might have trouble with the sheriff. Employers also would beat up and kill people who opposed them, often with the help of state law enforcement. Unions not only provided negotiating power, but political power: Politicians who need union votes aren't going to send in the state militia to assault strikers, and will pass laws that take into account more interests than just the industrialists, such as child labor, worker safety, and overtime laws.

      Unions are political organizations. They can be used for good or for ill, like the political power of the US Chamber of Commerce, but at least the working class can protect their interests.

  4. It's just an average-paying job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    'It seems odd, with America's unemployment problem, to have a shortage of workers for a job that can pay in excess of $20 per hour.

    Actually, the average income in the US is $40000 per year, which is about $20 per hour. So, the job is only paying the national average. That's why it's not attracting people from out-of-state, even though the pay is above-average for the state of Oklahoma. See the statistics at http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm.

  5. Dirty Jobs by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mike Rowe did an episode of Wind Farm technician. Fascinating show. And proved that I'd hate to do it. It wasn't the climbing the ladder, or standing on top of it that was the problem. The nacelles are only just big enough to fit the generator and leave enough room for a midget to crawl around and do the servicing.

    The big laugh in that episode was one of the techs telling a story of a snake in the nacelle. Apparently it had crawled in there during construction when the nacelle was on the ground and then rode it all the way to the top.

    I can't find a link to the actual video, but it was Season 3 episode 31, "Wind Farm Technician".

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  6. Re:Nursing shortage too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking as someone who is in medicine but not a nurse, the issue is two fold. First, hospital administration is petrified of new graduates, so it doesn't matter if there's a million new grad rn's hospitals won't take a chance on them unless they're really, really desperate. Second, hospitals in their for profit wisdom (non-profits do this too) have decided to slash the pay offered to these experienced nurses to the point they've told these shit employers to pound sand.

    See how it works? We won't pay you what you're worth (a good rn is worth more than a mediocre md) yet we won't hire the new generation so we can run around waving our hands in the air shouting "shortage shortage!"

    People wonder why we're going to hell in a hand basket.

  7. That's a load of bullshit, sir. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    My grandfather, several great-uncles, and even a couple of my uncles were metalworkers who worked on building the Empire State Building, the Chrysler Building, and many other large buildings in NYC and Chicago. They were white. The majority of the construction crews were white. If you don't believe me, look at any of the pictures of the construction workers building the damn skyscrapers, for crying out loud!

    Yes, there were Mohawk metalworkers. My relatives spoke very highly of them and their skills. But they weren't hired because they were cheap labor. They were hired because they had a huge amount of experience building bridges. This valuable experience translated very well to building tall skyscrapers. The fact that they were Mohawk was of no concern. It was their knowledge, experience and abilities that mattered.

    The racism your post exhibits is absurd. Your unrelenting hatred for white people is absurd. Your misrepresentation of the Mohawk metalworkers is absurd. If America has "lost its way", it's because people today actually believe the bullshit that you're spewing out all over the place.

    1. Re:That's a load of bullshit, sir. by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which do you think is more likely:

      (a) Mohawks needed the work and took the dangerous jobs for the money, bringing in friends and relatives who also needed work (see: Irish cops) or
      (b) Mohawks have a genetic mutation that makes them unafraid of heights, or
      (c) Mohawks are comfortable with heights from their experience shape-shifting into animal forms

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  8. 4 week training? by Drakin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm thinking these folks are underpaid & under trained.

    I got more training that that as a newly hired first year apprentice with my power company, on top of my apprenticeship board required education. And I still had to work under direct supervision until I got my journeyman ticket.

    Unless there's a lot more to it, they're likely not qualified, and you'll see the electrical and mechanical trades start a fuss over it.

  9. Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am a wind tech. I service and repair these towers. You either are in shape, or will be in shape soon climbing the towers. I climb up to 3 towers a day. The job is extremely cold (or hot, depending on the season), and the work is dangerous. I work directly with power magnitudes from 24DC to 1042DC, and 24AC 1phase up to 690v 3phase. I DO get more than $25 an hour, and most weeks I get about 65 hours. My training includes 2 years schooling, 4 weeks basic classroom tower training, 2 weeks advanced classroom diagnostics training, and 6 months supervised OJT training.
    Despite the above, qualified technicians are difficult to find and hire. The companies that hire under-qualified persons (such as exampled in the article) are not worried about their turbine reliability, or their employees.
    BTW, most turbine techs around my area get $15 an hour or less.

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