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Employers Need Wind Power Technicians

Hugh Pickens writes "NPR reports that Oklahoma is one state benefitting from the energy boom. With a wind power rush underway, companies are competing to secure the windiest spots, while breathing life into small towns. The problem is, each turbine requires regular maintenance during its 20-year lifespan, with a requirement of one turbine technician for every 10 turbines on the ground. So even with a job that can pay a good starting salary (for technicians with a GED or high school diploma who complete a four-week turbine maintenance training program), there aren't enough qualified technicians to do the work. 'It seems odd, with America's unemployment problem, to have a shortage of workers for a job that can pay in excess of $20 per hour. But being a turbine technician isn't easy,' says Logan Layden, adding that technicians typically have to climb 300 foot high towers to service the turbines. Oscar Briones is one of about a dozen students who recently finished a maintenance training program after leaving his job as a motorcycle mechanic and now has his pick of employers. 'So I was in the market to find something else to do, and this seemed pretty exciting. Being 300 feet in the air, that's pretty exciting in its self. So yeah, I'm a thrill seeker.'"

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  1. Oh please by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If heights is the reason for the lack of people then we have really lost our way. Reference the pictures of the guys building the Empire State Building, are they saying we couldn't get people to do that now? The reality here is either you have an industry that is too new and unorganized, a union that is putting a choke holds on the labor pool, or some other dumb ass bureaucratic reason that is making the country noncompetitive.

    1. Re:Oh please by cptdondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever done manual labor?

      Climb up a 300' tower with tools?

      I work in a manual labor industry. It's no joke. These guys and gals work hard, and it's not an easy job. The only time you see them is when it's sunny and nice, because that's when you're out walking your dog. How about when it's 31 degrees, freezing rain, and you're knee deep in freezing water? For an 8 hour shift? You're not out there because it's too miserable; you're at home under the blanket watching TV. They're out there working.

      Try getting out there, and working at the top of even a 60' bucket truck, in high wind. Now try it at the top of a 300' tower, in freezing cold wind.

      If these were union jobs, they'd be going for $40+. The $20/hour thing tells me they're not union.

    2. Re:Oh please by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You need to turn your bullshit filter on ... what they say there is a lack of workers, what they mean is they don't really want to pay 20$ an hour.

    3. Re:Oh please by data2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a question of the size of turbine. The bigger ones have work benches and everything in the _rooms_ at the top of the towers.

    4. Re:Oh please by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If heights is the reason for the lack of people then we have really lost our way. Reference the pictures of the guys building the Empire State Building, are they saying we couldn't get people to do that now?

      The Empire State workers didn't go through modern public school's 12 years of "Rah rah rah! I'm great for no particular reason!"

    5. Re:Oh please by cptdondo · · Score: 2

      I've never been up a wind turbine tower; I've been up inside water towers. Even out of the wind, you're surrounded by cold steel and it gets downright miserable even after a short while. It just sucks the heat out you.

    6. Re:Oh please by buglista · · Score: 2

      Watch this and tell me that 20 bucks/hour is enough for working on those sort of structures. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A_h2AjJaMw

    7. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would anyone working at a university want to downgrade to a $20/hour job? By capitalistic standards, they ARE "too good for it".

      It's patently obvious they're superior to you. You're a blooming idiot.

    8. Re:Oh please by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. $20 an hour is less then what trash collectors and janitors around here. $30 seems like it would be the starting point for this work.

      Google around a bit and you'll find skilled ironworkers seem to average about $30. $20 is a bit too low for apprentices, there are some ultra low rate areas where $20 would be decent apprentice wage but "most areas" seem to pull just a little more, low twenties is about right.

      Hmm. If I wanted to climb giant metal structures and get all sweaty, the free market wage for a generic iron worker is about $30/hr, or I could go in the green industry and starve my children on $20/hr. Golly I wonder which I would select?

      Electricians get paid a little more than ironworkers, so entering the field in that direction doesn't work.

      Its a very limited supply of workers... Not unskilled labor, takes years to figure out what you're doing. Its a young mans game (I'm too old, and I'm not that old...) and you need what by American standards is excellent physical fitness, and you need to not be a follower, because the followers all went to college and graduated with a diploma in multicultural studies, $100K in debt, and a coffee barrista job to pay it off, and you have to be at least median to above median smart to literally survive the job.

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    9. Re:Oh please by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      $20/hr isn't bad pay in rural Oklahoma. Zillow yourself a nice house out there... it looks like $80K will buy a whole lot more house than I got (for $80K) when I was single and earning $37K/yr.

    10. Re:Oh please by FairAndHateful · · Score: 2

      Watch this and tell me that 20 bucks/hour is enough for working on those sort of structures. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A_h2AjJaMw

      Those are transmission towers. Structurally not the same at all. A lot of wind turbine towers, you climb up on the inside of them. It's still demanding as hell, and a lot of work, but it's a little less freaky than the transmission towers.

    11. Re:Oh please by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      People with college degrees do tend to earn significantly more than people without them, and college is more valuable, IMHO, to teach you how to think than to teach specific skills. I find the people with multicultural studies degrees have better critical thinking skills than those who studied specific professions (e.g., engineering).

      So you didn't know how to think before colllege? That 'teaching you how to think' stuff is just bullshit. University doesn't do that and it's not supposed to do that and outside of the U.S. no one even talks about it doing that. Outside of the U.S. people somehow learn how to think in grammar school. Perhaps one of the reasons we have so much trouble competing with other countries is due to the fact that we have this belief that thinking is something you learn in college. If I hadn't had to deal with so much of that liberal arts bullshit I might have actually had time to finish my degree and I wouldn't have been so screwed over in the workplace.

      I probably would be willing to do a dangerous job that pays $20/hr, but probably only because I don't have a degree. Now I earn $10/hr and work as little as possible.
      That wasn't such a bad wage a few years ago, but since the new fed chairman's love affair with inflation it's no longer enough. $15/hr is the new $10/hr. With inflation wages are the last thing to go up. Maybe that's why these companies are having a problem. They don't yet realize that $20/hr is no longer $20/hr because $20 isn't $20 anymore.

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    12. Re:Oh please by ayjay29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was at an open day at a wind turbine. They had a small cage lift that could take two people at a time to the top, it took a long time, and there were a few people in the queue. As a joke I asked the operator "Can I climb up the ladder? it will be quicker!". Instead of saying "No, don't be stupid!" he handed me a harness and said "Of course! Go ahead...". Not being one to turn down a challenge I put the harness on, cliped in, and headed up the ladder. It was hard work, and I was not carrying any tools. It was also a bit scary.

      I'd take that job. The climb to work is good excercise, and the view from the top is amazing.

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    13. Re:Oh please by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Worse when some shit eating ass hat in an office decides it's a one person job. Even the smallest accident can be life threatening, when you have no one to help. Yeah, terrible Unions making sure enough people are employed to improve safety, that wages reflect effort and risk and age limitations. Those greedy evil unions they just don't appreciate a percentage of workers have to die every year to maintain higher corporate profits.

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  2. Sounds Good. by smpoole7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't climb the towers for our radio stations. I know a few maintenance engineers who do, but they're rare. Tower crews get thousands of dollars per day to do the climbing. Just to relamp our 350' towers at one of our stations costs about $750 per (and we have 5 of them).

    So yeah, I can imagine that they're looking for people who will climb 300' towers for $20 an hour. Good luck with that. :)

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    1. Re:Sounds Good. by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      Every now and again I see jobs advertised for tower climbers. And they typically state that don't even think about applying if you have never done it before. They must get a lot of people applying you think that climbing a tower is easy.

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    2. Re:Sounds Good. by grumling · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Back when I climbed telephone poles for a living (and had the body that goes along with it), I regularly climbed towers for our amateur radio repeater network. Once you're in place and tied down, the work is actually fairly easy. But we had a lot of ground support (and ropes and pulleys) to do the heavy lifting. But the first time you go above 50 feet or so it gets a little unnerving.

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    3. Re:Sounds Good. by vlm · · Score: 5, Informative

      I regularly climbed towers for our amateur radio repeater network

      Been there done that although I am more of a weak signal VHF operator.

      Another issue is also the weather. Light breeze with two feet on the ground turns into OMG freaking hurricane 100 feet up. Both psychologically and meteorologically. Hams have the luxury of waiting for a perfectly calm day. The real tower workers earn their dough on the bad weather days.

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    4. Re:Sounds Good. by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 5, Informative

      Working my way through college in Kansas, I worked for the college as a student employee. One part of my job was to climb the towers for maintenance. We had several 50 footers, a couple hundred footers, and the main tower was 500 feet. I actually had a plane circle the tower below me one day while changing a light bulb.

      As a student employee, I had very little skills or knowledge, and a bit of competition for any job. I got paid $7.50/hr wither I was sitting at a workbench or climbing a tower. God, I was so stupid. Carrying tools up was like weightlifting on a StairMaster with the chance that somebody would put a bullet in your head at any second. The tower had been there about 7 years, and most of the guys that had erected it were dead. There is an incredible mortality rate for tower workers. One of my friends was climbing when a chunk of ice fell and hit his hard hat, almost knocking him unconscious. There were so many dangers, it was literally "criminal" to put an uninformed kid on it. You could die from falling (blown off or a rung rust through underneath the paint), electrocution (you're on the tallest metallic structure for miles, and lightning strikes even in clear skies), and impacts (falling ice and broken metal parts or antennas).

      Back in the early '90s the going rate for tower climbing was a buck a foot, and it would take a full hour to climb and descend the 500 footer. So $20/hr to go up, fix it, and climb down? Kiss my ass. I have skills and experience now, I don't have to risk my life for that insultingly small amount of money anymore.

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    5. Re:Sounds Good. by smpoole7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And here's the thing ... Jim, the guy who runs the tower company that we use, is always looking for experienced climbers. So, how long will it be before tower companies start raiding these $20 an hour guys, promising more money and better benefits? :)

      These wind turbine people didn't think their fiendishly-clever plan all the way through. You ALWAYS factor the cost of maintenance into a business plan. ALWAYS.

      It might actually have been cheaper to build the turbines so that the assembly could be raised and lowered for service. Would have cost more up front, but would have saved in the long run. Heck, ham operators have been doing that with their antennas for decades. :)

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    6. Re:Sounds Good. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      I knew an electrician who climbed poles to shut off power at the transformer. Well, he'd do that if he had to, most times he'd rather work on live 220V 100A service wires instead of climbing the pole, twice, to switch the breaker.

    7. Re:Sounds Good. by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      I climbed towers a couple of times in my youth to carry out repeater work, rigging antennas and stringing cable. Highest was, as I recall about 400 feet up a 1000 foot mast. I didn't have any fear of falling since the pro rigger I was working showed me how to do it safely with a three-points attachment to my harness etc. As he explained if I fell I might hurt someone on the ground when I landed but I'd be already dead from hitting all the bits of the tower I would bounce off on the way down.

    8. Re:Sounds Good. by anethema · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm an RF tech in Northern Canada. On a perfect day, with no wind, and warm weather, it can still be challenging. There are days at -30, 70kph winds, and you're trying to carefully point an 8 foot dish at something 50km away, it can be no picnic.

      Every radio technician I know basically has his pick of locations to work. I was working in a much balmier area for the first part of my career, and when I was looking to make more money, I essentially was offered a job as soon as I could start in every city I called.

      I picked the one that offered a good wage and appeared to treat their employees well.

      But it can get pretty forbidding and most companies go through quite a few Junior guys before finding one that has the right mix of bravery, problem solving skill, and responsibility to be a good radio tech long term.

      When you have to dress like this:
      http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6970622485_5ebeeba3e8_z.jpg

      Or like this:
      http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7047/6824493552_3f21a9e218_z.jpg

      to climb up a 300 foot tower and work on something, you feel like you've earned the higher dollars you get paid.

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    9. Re:Sounds Good. by anethema · · Score: 2

      That being said I've done a stint working on wooden poles with spurs and I'd take tower work any day. Man that sucked! About half way through the first summer I felt like refusing the work since it was so painful and annoying, but then I thought of buying a hunting tree stand, hooking it onto the pole, and working on the cable amplifiers I was servicing. Was about a billion times nicer.

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  3. hmm by chickenrob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are over 1000 electricians out of work in my local electrical union. Any of us would be glad to do that work, but they are not willing to pay qualified electricians to do the work.

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    1. Re:hmm by Kangburra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't $20 an hour better than no job at all? Or is there some reason the electricians can't work for that amount?

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    2. Re:hmm by gambino21 · · Score: 2

      So you would rather have no job than take a pay cut? I agree that $20 per hour is not great, but why not take the lower paying job until you can find something better?

    3. Re:hmm by berashith · · Score: 2

      i think you may have skipped over the part that says union.

    4. Re:hmm by chill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because if you do that, nothing better will come along. The rate for the jobs that come along will start to align with the lower rates.

      This is what caused the unions to form to begin with. Large, dangerous industry like mining and manufacturing, paid enough for people to survive but not enough for them to ever prosper. It was a form of "voluntary" indentured servitude.

      If everyone got together and demanded better conditions or raises, they would get fired and replaced with the never-ending line of people desperate just to survive. Only by striking and creating a picket line to actually shut down business would any real change ever get made.

      For a modern example, see the stories on Foxcon and China. We in the West gape in horror at the working conditions and pittance for wages. But compared to the other options -- subsistence farming, etc. -- it is fantastic. If a worker doesn't toe the line, they're fired and replaced with any one of the teeming masses desperate to escape the crushing poverty they now live in.

      Yes, it can go too far. See the auto industry and the various stories about Teacher's unions where people clock in, then punch out for a 5 hour lunch, etc.

      But the whole "take the cut for now because something better will come along" doesn't scale.

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    5. Re:hmm by cptdondo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the whole "take the cut for now because something better will come along" doesn't scale.

      Exactly. Once an employer knows that they can hire someone from a cheaper pool, they will happily lay off the well-paid workers and hire form the cheap pool. And along the way strip benefits.

      It doesn't go the other way, though - employers won't raise wages as long as there's any hope of hiring from the cheap pool. That's why middle class wages have been stagnant for 20 years, while the wealthiest have seen their income skyrocket.

      So yes, if you're qualified, hold out for the higher paying job if you can.

    6. Re:hmm by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

      Isn't $20 an hour better than no job at all? Or is there some reason the electricians can't work for that amount?

      A good electrician can easily pull $65/hr around here. Some of them make upwards of $85/hr.

      Unemployment insurance pays better.

    7. Re:hmm by johnnyb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, this usually happens when the employees have been milking the companies. That's actually what is happening now. This is why people are willing to go to cheap labor. If your current work crew isn't performing well, you might as well hire out for cheaper. If your workers are good at what they do and work hard, then the employer won't hire to the cheap pool, because the cheap pool isn't equivalent.

      Where I work, we sometimes bid a job for 4x what other firms bid it out for. But many companies still hire us. Why? Because they know that it will cost more in the long run if they go with people who aren't as competent to do the work.

      Middle class wages are stagnant because (a) middle class workers are slacking, and (b) the government is eating up any possible extra money, and (c) inflating the currency enough to make savings worthless.

      If the well-paid workers aren't any better than the cheaper pool, why *should* they be earning more money? Also remember that the split between a "worker" and an "owner" is purely voluntary - any of those workers could themselves be owners, but have chosen not to be. Money is not a right. You must work to earn your keep.

    8. Re:hmm by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Middle class wages are stagnant because (a) middle class workers are slacking, and (b) the government is eating up any possible extra money, and (c) inflating the currency enough to make savings worthless.

      A and B are factually incorrect. Productivity in the United States has been on a constant rise for the last 60 years. This would directly contradict A because it indicates more and more output is being produced by the workers.

      The total tax rate on people is lower now than practically anytime in the last 50 years.

      C is totally true, though. That an real inflation -- the cost of food, housing, energy, etc. -- has increased to keep pace with wage inflation. This makes it next to impossible to accept lower wages and actually keep your home/car. Unfortunately, with the housing market as is, moving isn't really much of an option. The housing crash has seriously curtailed the mobility of the workforce.

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    9. Re:hmm by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      Isn't $20 an hour better than no job at all? Or is there some reason the electricians can't work for that amount?

      $20 an hour to climb up a potentially dangerous 300 foot tower? Yeah sounds like a great idea. The company that maintains the tower just doesn't want to shell out hazard pay. Instead they can bitch and moan about how "no Americans want to do the job, we have to bring in underpaid workers from 3rd world countries!"

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    10. Re:hmm by guanxi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is what caused the unions to form to begin with. Large, dangerous industry like mining and manufacturing, paid enough for people to survive but not enough for them to ever prosper. It was a form of "voluntary" indentured servitude.

      If everyone got together and demanded better conditions or raises, they would get fired and replaced with the never-ending line of people desperate just to survive. Only by striking and creating a picket line to actually shut down business would any real change ever get made.

      It was more than that. Employers politically dominated the towns. Oppose them and nobody would do business with you, your bank would call in your mortgage, and you might have trouble with the sheriff. Employers also would beat up and kill people who opposed them, often with the help of state law enforcement. Unions not only provided negotiating power, but political power: Politicians who need union votes aren't going to send in the state militia to assault strikers, and will pass laws that take into account more interests than just the industrialists, such as child labor, worker safety, and overtime laws.

      Unions are political organizations. They can be used for good or for ill, like the political power of the US Chamber of Commerce, but at least the working class can protect their interests.

    11. Re:hmm by realityimpaired · · Score: 2

      Whatever you're smoking, please have the courtesy to share.

      It's not a question of "socialists scuttling renewable energy". Actually, around here almost 80% of the electricity comes from renewable sources (that may change, they are building a couple of new nuclear reactors to meet peak demand). It's a question of people accepting underemployment.

      And underemployment is worse for the economy than unemployment. Underemployment means that we spent money training you to a level higher than you're employed at (even in the US, universities and colleges receive public funds). It also means that not only are you working below your capacity, but that lower level job is now no longer available to somebody who isn't qualified or experienced enough for a better job. More than that, when you accept full time employment below your capabilities, you are seriously hindering your ability to find a better job and contribute more to the economy. Finding a job is itself a full-time job. It is better for the long-term economy to either keep somebody who's better qualified on unemployment while they find a better job, or to retrain them if there won't be a better job.

    12. Re:hmm by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      In Florida they make about $12 an hour.

      An experienced maybe $15 an hour. Your wages reflected demand 2002-2006 when builders could not find enough qualified workers and these homes needed to be sold FAST while they WERE STILL HOTT.

      Today, there are more electricians than jobs and these wages are gone forever. Even if another bubble starts there are more electricians now than demand so the builders can say take it or leave it.

      This is deflation my friend. It happened in the 1930s and is a sign of a depression. Everyone I know makes less than 10 years ago except the ones I know who own a business who are taking advantage fo the situation by paying employees less and pocketing the difference. The fed pumping money it helping inflate the top 2% and business owners by great investments and access to cash. Us ... need not apply go get a job etc.

    13. Re:hmm by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree. Underemployment is better than no employment. It means some goods are produced and those that work under employed jobs are statistically more likely to get back to their skill level when the economy improves.

      Is it is as good as not working what they once did? No, but it is better than nothing.

      Every employer I met will not hire anyone out of work. You are unhirable and something must be wrong if you are out of work for more than a month. Recession? They do not care. They figured your skills are not fresh anymore anyway.

  4. It's just an average-paying job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    'It seems odd, with America's unemployment problem, to have a shortage of workers for a job that can pay in excess of $20 per hour.

    Actually, the average income in the US is $40000 per year, which is about $20 per hour. So, the job is only paying the national average. That's why it's not attracting people from out-of-state, even though the pay is above-average for the state of Oklahoma. See the statistics at http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm.

    1. Re:It's just an average-paying job by Dave114 · · Score: 2

      Does the first word in the phrase "starting salary" mean anything to you? I'm guessing a year or two of experience would likely help their earnings a fair bit versus someone fresh out of school.

      Add that it mentions that the job "can pay in excess of $20 per hour," meaning that if the American average is $20 per hour the job can pay above the average American salary. Add in a presumably even lower cost of living in Oklahoma, and you're better off yet.

  5. Nursing shortage too by deodiaus2 · · Score: 2

    I have heard that there is a nursing shortage too., but that the problem was that there was a shortage of qualified and experienced nurses. Newly graduated nurses apprently were not qualified to do serious work, and as such there is a glut of entry level nurses.
    Maybe this is true, but the economy has been bad for years now, and I am sure that if there were sufficient job demand, enough people would retool. I hear that one big problem for returning vets is finding job. I think that if you were willing to serve in a battlefield getting shot at by snipers, a 300 foot climb is no big deal for a vet in his 20-30's. If the training program only lasts 4 week, I think this need can be met very easily.
    I see too many stories and anecdotal studies without serious proof. Show me 10K craiglistings for such positions?

    1. Re:Nursing shortage too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speaking as someone who is in medicine but not a nurse, the issue is two fold. First, hospital administration is petrified of new graduates, so it doesn't matter if there's a million new grad rn's hospitals won't take a chance on them unless they're really, really desperate. Second, hospitals in their for profit wisdom (non-profits do this too) have decided to slash the pay offered to these experienced nurses to the point they've told these shit employers to pound sand.

      See how it works? We won't pay you what you're worth (a good rn is worth more than a mediocre md) yet we won't hire the new generation so we can run around waving our hands in the air shouting "shortage shortage!"

      People wonder why we're going to hell in a hand basket.

  6. In my somewhat cynical oppinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All these "Industry X facing chronic shortage of qualified Y" stories can typically be translated to either:

    "Profession Y is well paid, and we would like to drive down those wages by saturating the market with graduates"
    "Profession Y is a niche / dying trade that we rely on, but running training schemes / apprenticeships hurts our quarterly returns"

    In both cases Y tends to be industry specific engineers

  7. Dirty Jobs by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mike Rowe did an episode of Wind Farm technician. Fascinating show. And proved that I'd hate to do it. It wasn't the climbing the ladder, or standing on top of it that was the problem. The nacelles are only just big enough to fit the generator and leave enough room for a midget to crawl around and do the servicing.

    The big laugh in that episode was one of the techs telling a story of a snake in the nacelle. Apparently it had crawled in there during construction when the nacelle was on the ground and then rode it all the way to the top.

    I can't find a link to the actual video, but it was Season 3 episode 31, "Wind Farm Technician".

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  8. Re:Oscar? by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here is my thought on that. He is getting into a very very very virgin market. Meaning there are things on Wind Turbines that, as a mechanic, you might come up with to make it safer, more efficient, or more robust. Allowing you to invent and patent possible revelation and thus living an American dream.
    I kinda envy these new maintenance people.

  9. ... and it looks something like this by l00sr · · Score: 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A_h2AjJaMw.

    Also, it occurs to me that the guys who climb 300' towers should be paid just as much as the 2000' towers, since you're just as screwed in the event of a fall.

  10. Re:Oscar? by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Might as well buy a lottery ticket. Most of the really keen folks who would come up with the next new widget and make a million dollars are already making their mark in other fields. Somewhere they're a smart kid out of work that will take a chance on this job, and come up with something cool. He's one in a thousand. Actually there are a hundred of him out there, in fact. And one of those hundred will make it to the American Dream stage. The other ninety-nine thousand will trudge through with $40k a year until the find another job or retire.

    Capitalism is depressing if you're not both innovative AND lucky. But it beats never having a chance at all.

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  11. That's a load of bullshit, sir. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    My grandfather, several great-uncles, and even a couple of my uncles were metalworkers who worked on building the Empire State Building, the Chrysler Building, and many other large buildings in NYC and Chicago. They were white. The majority of the construction crews were white. If you don't believe me, look at any of the pictures of the construction workers building the damn skyscrapers, for crying out loud!

    Yes, there were Mohawk metalworkers. My relatives spoke very highly of them and their skills. But they weren't hired because they were cheap labor. They were hired because they had a huge amount of experience building bridges. This valuable experience translated very well to building tall skyscrapers. The fact that they were Mohawk was of no concern. It was their knowledge, experience and abilities that mattered.

    The racism your post exhibits is absurd. Your unrelenting hatred for white people is absurd. Your misrepresentation of the Mohawk metalworkers is absurd. If America has "lost its way", it's because people today actually believe the bullshit that you're spewing out all over the place.

    1. Re:That's a load of bullshit, sir. by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which do you think is more likely:

      (a) Mohawks needed the work and took the dangerous jobs for the money, bringing in friends and relatives who also needed work (see: Irish cops) or
      (b) Mohawks have a genetic mutation that makes them unafraid of heights, or
      (c) Mohawks are comfortable with heights from their experience shape-shifting into animal forms

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  12. The 2000' tower fall would be much worse.... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2

    ...in that you have that much longer to think about what's coming.

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  13. 4 week training? by Drakin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm thinking these folks are underpaid & under trained.

    I got more training that that as a newly hired first year apprentice with my power company, on top of my apprenticeship board required education. And I still had to work under direct supervision until I got my journeyman ticket.

    Unless there's a lot more to it, they're likely not qualified, and you'll see the electrical and mechanical trades start a fuss over it.

    1. Re:4 week training? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm thinking these folks are underpaid & under trained.

      Mod parent up, Insightful.

      To climb a 300' tower and risk your life inside a small room with a spinning rotor holding more inertia than your entire body could handle, let alone a finger or hand (as is likely to get caught in it if anything does) is a massive amount of risk and work. $20/hour is disgusting for something that has no overhead aside from startup costs and maintenance - these guys are certainly underpaid, and the free market is a very simple thing when it comes to labor: if you can't attract the talent, increase the wages.

  14. Re:Abandoned wind farms by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With the high number of abandoned wind farms I can't say I like the job security aspects of this. It might make a good summer job but I sure wouldn't plan a career around it.

    Its also a capital intensive job. Back in the early 80s a cool blue collar "retraining" job was cable TV installer. The local vo-tech school had classes and graduated at least a hundred. Once all the hardline was strung up or buried, then.... From personal knowledge there are only about two dozen techs in that field in my area. What happened to the hundred or so other grads? Probably getting career advice to go into the (currently) lucrative windmill business. Endless bubble chasing, thats all the US has to offer anymore.

    Retraining is a profitable industry all by itself. Much like the gold rush gold miners never made much money, but the general store types made fat stacks of cash, the place to make money in the windmill industry is in windmill industry training classes, not in windmills themselves.

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  15. Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am a wind tech. I service and repair these towers. You either are in shape, or will be in shape soon climbing the towers. I climb up to 3 towers a day. The job is extremely cold (or hot, depending on the season), and the work is dangerous. I work directly with power magnitudes from 24DC to 1042DC, and 24AC 1phase up to 690v 3phase. I DO get more than $25 an hour, and most weeks I get about 65 hours. My training includes 2 years schooling, 4 weeks basic classroom tower training, 2 weeks advanced classroom diagnostics training, and 6 months supervised OJT training.
    Despite the above, qualified technicians are difficult to find and hire. The companies that hire under-qualified persons (such as exampled in the article) are not worried about their turbine reliability, or their employees.
    BTW, most turbine techs around my area get $15 an hour or less.

  16. every single story like this is a lie by decora · · Score: 2

    every time you hear about 'shortage in industry x', what it really means is that 'industry is trying to lower wages".

    why would they want to lower wages? so that they can return more profit to their shareholders, which are big funds and investment banks. it has nothing, whatsoever, to do with a 'labor shortage'. remember the invisible hand of the market? it should take care of 'shortages' just fine. it is funny to see the capitalists decide that capitalistic theory is not 'good enough' for their profit margin, and they need to grease the wheels with massive media campaigns and PR initiatives.

  17. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

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  18. Re:Maybe not such a good choice? by benjamindees · · Score: 2

    My own equally made-up figures show that wind power costs a hundred trazillion dollars a year.

    On the off-chance that you are not trolling... since I'm not interested in writing a dissertation, just go ahead and point out which of these assertions you disagree with:

    • The US economy, through the Federal Reserve System, is subsidized by the dollar's status as global reserve currency.
    • Finance comprises nearly half of the US economy.
    • Cheap energy enables the modern consumer economy.
    • In fact, without affordable energy, there would likely be *no* US economy.
    • The primary mission of the US military is to maintain the petrodollar.
    • Fossil fuels are a finite resource.
    • Current generations consume fossil fuels by borrowing them from future generations.
    • The US deficit has grown exponentially since US oil production peaked.
    • Young Americans inherit a national debt of over $49,000 per capita.
    • Medical advancements enabled by cheap energy and petroleum have extended lifespan and increased medical expenditures.
    • The majority of healthcare spending is on the elderly.
    • State and federal governments spend over $7000 per year ($19 per day), per capita on health care.
    • The US spends over $3000 per year ($8 per day), per capita on the military.
    • The US spends approx $52 per year ($0.15 per day), per capita on *all* renewable energy subsidies combined.

    So, in conclusion, even if only 1% of all medical spending could be attributed to unsustainable fossil fuel consumption, and only 1% of the cost of maintaining the US military benefits fossil energy, and only 1% of the debt saddled on future generations represents the consumption of finite fossil resources, this would still be over twice the cost of *all* current renewable energy subsidies combined.

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  19. Re:Move for a $40K/yr job? by celle · · Score: 3, Informative

    "For the large majority of the unemployed, who haven't grown up there, it looks like tossing most of your life away for $20/hour."

        I live in the same region. It is tossing your life away for $20/hour. Actually it's about $15/hour or less after taxes.
        It doesn't matter if it's cheap to live here since it won't stay cheap for long after the people move in(been through this) and $20/hour is still utter garbage for high-risk work. Out here services suck, social support is a joke, and competitive income doesn't exist. I'll just throw in the view of hundreds of miles of flat nothing along with tornado hell doesn't ring well for people's positive outlook.
        Let's not forget the high cost of just moving here and adjusting to all that nothing and other social losses which isn't figured into the initial first year and not compensated for. The initial pay is for the financially desperate who physically qualify and have a lot of crazy in them.

  20. Re:Abandoned wind farms by mspohr · · Score: 2

    ? Abandoned wind farms?
    You'll need to cite some references for this.
    Since the main cost of wind farms is the initial capital cost and not the very small annual maintenance cost, it would make no sense to abandon a wind farm once it was running. It's literally free electricity after installation.

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