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Should Snatching an iPhone Be a Felony?
theodp writes "English comedian Russell Brand could be facing a felony conviction for snatching an iPhone from a would-be paparazzi and tossing it through a window. Singer/parolee Chris Brown also found himself in iPhone hot water after being charged with 'robbery by snatching' in a similar DIY-paparazzi-thwarting incident, which could be a misdemeanor or felony depending on the value placed on an iPhone. But in the world-of-crazy-pricing created by phone makers and wireless providers ($899 Nokia Windows Phone, anyone?), where the quoted price of an iPhone varies by a factor of 376 from the same company, should one really be charged with a felony for snatching an iPhone, especially when an iPad 2 can be had for $399 retail?"
This is no different than pick pocketing someone.
Usually stealing something directly from someone's person is a serious offense no matter how worthless it is.
Hell, if force is used it becomes robbery.
Nothing to see here, move along.
It's already a felony in basically every democratic city in the world to snatch whatever private property someone else owns, and tossing it away like that (out the window).
It's not yours, so you can't snatch it, it's that simple. Nothing complex about it.
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
Maybe. When I mean 'maybe' I mean maybe when I'm pissing off random thieves on the street by shoving my phone in their face repeatedly until I get a reaction.
Maybe then.
Be you Admins? nay, we are but lusers!
Why is this a question?
Might as well punch the paparazzi in the face...
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
See http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_the_8_billion_ipod.html . Perhaps the iPhone is worth $8 billion (I mean, you are technically stealing every song on the iPhone as well as the phone itself).
The Right Reverend K. Reid Wightman,
It's also destruction of data. Maybe this is akin to hacking a website and deleting the data? Not to mention the time and effort to recover the data, if at all possible.
1. Wear something copyrighted.
2. Sue the paparazzi for copyright infringement.
3. PROFIT!!!!
This is not about an iPhone being thrown around, it's about someone else's property being damaged in excess of $500 and that being a felony in Louisiana. Whoopdeedoo, big deal.
There is already too much crime. Civil liability should be enough. If it's unprovoked, simple battery might be in order. But felony?
Stop being so damn blood-thirsty. Breaking somebody's device because they shove it in your face should not ruin lives and occupations.
you'll get shot
Only taking what people need to be productive should be a crime.
Russell Brand willingly does no useful work, therefore he needs nothing, therefore nothing can be his in law.
Of course, the paparazzo is doing no useful work either, so should he have any legal right to his iPhone?
The solution is not to waste state resources on either of them. Let them fight to the death or something.
Shooting someone over a worthless piece of electronics. You must be Duhmerican!
Are the paparazzi carrying the accessories of that bundle? Individually bought the Purity HD headset is about 150-200$ and the Play360 speaker maybe 100-150$. Slantdot editing at it's finest.
The price of the phone is not what makes it valuable or its loss dangerous. That's like considering the price of the paper to determine the severity of the offense of the hold-up note to a bank teller.
I hate apple
Replace "iPhone" with "phone" or "mobile" or "smartphone" and absolutely nothing relevant changes.
That's it, though, isn't it? The story doesn't even involve Apple or its products save that it incidentally happened to be the brand of the specific stolen overpriced electronic toy. Hell, no iPad's were involved at all, and yet this click-bait summary managed to work them in anyhow all while mentioning that you can get one for less than the well-publicized $499!
When I clicked the check box to disable advertising I didn't expect the ads to reappear as articles. This is getting ridiculous.
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As an Englishman, please please please America take this jerk lock him up in Cuba. In return we ^H^H I will happily take Katy, well after July who we will also lock up in restraints!!
Now, I know this is sudden, but... hear me out. Please. Just hear me out.
I'm a buttnude.
Now use Gamemaker.
if someone sticks something out at me at arms length. Are they not giving it to me?
So long as its just pushy type paparazzi involved. How about we just forget the whole thing.
Until it happens to someone who respects others space and privacy.. Tell the paparazzi to stfu.
Because i have no problem with people disrespecting and damaging their expensive toy while they were most likely trying to film someone who didnt want to be bothered. And if they were in range to have their iphone grabbed and tossed. They were bothering someone. Famous or not i don't care...
They are not public servants paid by everyones tax money. The public has no right to intrude on anyones life with a camera.
This brings to mind a current activist motion to defeat the US injustice system by demanding a speedy trial due under the Constitution and so creating a DDoS on the courts. If everybody so charged demanded their full rights, the courts must necessarily absolve most as they have not the time nor space to convict them.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
I don't think government or civil funded agencies should be working for organizations, or associated with them. This is what the legal realities of our world today are all about. So many resources that could be used to better us all are paying to protect the interests of companies. It's great that the founding fathers separated church and state. They should have more clearly stated the intended separation of privately held company and state. I think if they had more clearly foreseen the world today they would certainly strengthen that principal. Not that they didn't try, but those safeties have been systematically circumvented. It is obviously destroying our world and is by far the largest contributor to the downfall of us as a species.... I'm hoping the next fish do better.
I wish we could give a -1 Troll to articles themselves.
It should be classed more as a favor
In the style of the worst newspapers, the Daily Mail start with the result they want and steer all discourse towards it, even if it means twisting and lying along the path. They will just make it up if they need to do so, and there have been a lot of cases where this has happened!
People worked hard for many hours to buy their iPhone... to just dismiss this as a trivial offense is shocking to me.
It is just like taking an apple, so why the fuzz?
Yes. Even in this article they managed to make the first two sentences about immigration.
It actually belongs to mother America. Why pollute Cuba? Is it not enough that Iraq and Afghanistan are polluted?
"($899 Nokia Windows Phone, anyone?)"
That link goes directly to a bundle deal which includes a Nokia Lumia 800 AND a pair of Nokia Purity HD stereo headphones by Monster AND a Nokia Play 360 wireless Bluetooth speaker AND a Nokia Luna Bluetooth headset. The Lumia 800 can be expected to retail for €500 or so when released in the US.
It's about the chance to have a talentless shock jock locked up, and in that I approve.
As the worst newspaper around, the Daily Mail start with the result they want and steer all discourse towards it, even if it means twisting and lying along the path. They will just make it up if they need to do so, and there have been a lot of cases where this has happened!
FTFY
The interesting thing here is that the iPhone may have enough value to make this a felony, but his privacy has no value at all. Paparazzi can follow and harass him all they like and he can do nothing about it. Now you might not have sympathy for celebs, but they do the same thing to mothers of murder victims and others. A (British) paparazzi only today followed the mother of one of the dead Belgium schoolchildren (coach crash in Switzerland) to get 'sad mother' shot.
IMHO, throwing a paparazzi camera out of a window should have no more value than the damage to the phone. It was NOT THEFT, he can go get his phone, it was not assault, he did not hit the Paparazzi. It was not a mugging, no threat of violence was used. I don't even rank this the same as taking a normal persons phone and throwing it out the window because the Paparazzi was the person who came into close proximity and shoved the camea phone in his face.
He didn't go seek out the Paparazzi, the reason they're in conflict is entirely the Paparazzi actions.
So it's a misdemeanor since it's paparazzi, or possibly a 'jolley jape'.
then vote with your wallet, i have never owned an iphone or any other brand of smartphone for exactly that reason, i refuse to spend as much on a cellphone as i would a desktop or laptop computer, i opted to buy a cheap Tracfone for for around 29 bucks and buy a pre-paid card to program it with by three months at a time, that way if my phone gets lost or stolen or broken i have not lost much on it
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Apparently felony was abolished in the Criminal Law Act 1967 in England and Wales "which made all felonies (except treason) misdemeanours". Arrestable offences were abolished in 2006.
This guy is generally despised in the UK. In fact when he was caught making his obscene calls and the BBC was fined by Ofcom because of it he said "All I ever wanted to do was make people laugh".
Well Russell, start when you're ready.
Maybe it should be considered an act of sacrilege.
From a UK perspective I think it's definitely desirable to have him in jail over there. Just keep him. If he threatens to be released, find something else.
(no, I don't like him. Why? Can you tell?)
$399? The iPad2 is priced at $1055.28 for the cheap non-3G one over here! *sits in a corner and grumbles about rich countries getting the lowest prices*
More than the money value of the phone, a phone is a communication device. For that reason alone it should be a felony to snatch any phone.
sHOULD IpHONING A sNATCH bE A fELONY?
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
I'm not an Apple fan, but an iPhone is not overpriced for the amount of quality design and hardware you get for it, and it's not a toy - it's a powerful portable computer that can do some impressive and useful things. A Tonka truck is an example of a toy, in case you've forgotten how to describe things without hyperbole.
I remember when Linux was good... too...
Sean Penn pulled this off once without theft. He just punched the asshole in his fucking face. Russell Brand is a far cry from that... however, the real question, all hatred of Apple aside, did Brand take something that did not belong to him? Did he make it impossible for the owner easily to retrieve it? Did he do so with malicious intent?
The question of it being an iPhony or iFad or whatever is irrelevant. It is not up to the thief, or the community at large to determine whether or not it should be a crime because we think whatever it was either is or is not worth as much as the unsubsidized price because of prejudice and bigotry over partisanship or brand loyalty, etc.
If Brand had grabbed a gold chain from around a guys neck with a big gold medallion on it, and thrown it out the window, and the item cost over a thousand dollars, it doesn't matter if we think it was gaudy or ugly or overpriced, unless the item is a wrist watch, say, and the complainant is claiming it cost a thousand bucks and it really only costs a hundred, and he just got ripped off buying it because he's an idiot who doesn't know how to comparison shop... that's another thing altogether.
The culture of sticking cameras in people's faces we've devolved into is annoying and disgusting, but at the end of the day, someone pointing a device that records the patterns of photons bouncing off a person, or being emitted by a person, IN PUBLIC is not different really, from looking at someone in public, so unless the camera or camera-bearing device had been placed somewhere we would not think it's okay for someone to position his eyeballs, (i.e., bending over to get a view up a girl's skirt, for example) the response of grabbing and throwing it is not appropriate.
If the camera wielding person HAD physically interfered with Brand's person, harassed him, etc., then the appropriate response would be to respond to the person, not to take his personal (or professional) property and chuck it out the window. He maybe might should have done what Penn did, and respond proportionally to the individual, at least I would have thought it was funny.
So in any case, if it's a crime of whatever variety, fine. Book 'im, boys.
Obviously, stopping a paparazzi is in public interest. Freeing somebody from an iPhone clearly is too. So IMO, this should result in a public commendation, and if needed in a psych-eval for the former iPhone owner to determine whether there is any residual damage that could mandate putting them into a closed psychiatric facility to protect the public.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
no really, its a toy.
If I connect an ipad to my desktop, windows detects it as an "entertainment device"
The problem with this suggestion of a felony conviction over questionable MSRP pricing structures is where do you draw the line? What happens next month when someone snatches a Coach purse, or some other obscenely overpriced piece of shit that we Americans seem to love to waste money on?
Start questioning one overpriced product, and it tends to lead you down a very dark path that NO retailer or manufacturer wants people screwing with.
"Which is worse - tossing the phone of a paparazzi? Or stealing a sandwich from a homeless guy? It appears that US law may consider damaging a wealthy man's toy to be worthy of a greater punishment than depriving a poor man of his food for a day."
DEPRIVING A POOR MAN OF HIS FOOD FOR A DAY.
Oh, the horrors! Because people are always stealing food from homeless people, aren't they?
You fucking idiot.
The problem here is that Crashdot is full of idiots who worship scum like Russell Brand, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE 'FAMOUS'.
Chris Rock and Russell Brand are both arrogant assholes, and the same laws apply to them as to everybody else. If they are allowed to get away with this, then presumably I can go up to every single person I see with a phone in their hand, steal it from them (by grabbing it out of their hand) and then throw it down the street, right? And I can do that over and over and over again, twenty times a day, without being charged, right?
Stealing an item of personal property is larceny. Add the use of force or fear and it's robbery. Robbery is always a felony because of the inherent risk that someone could be injured or killed. That's why Jerry Dewayne Williams is serving 25-to-life for stealing a slice of pizza.
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Give him the chair. The world won't mourn.
If I connect an ipad to my desktop, windows detects it as an "entertainment device"
That is so pathetic; most people I know with iPads use theirs more for work than entertainment. I can see why Microsoft shills on this site would try to push the "it's just a toy" message, it's one of their arguable points. Doing it at the operating system level, however, is really unprofessional, but most of all desperate.
Yes, Microsoft, we get it. You want everyone to think you need Windows to do work. It's not true and everybody knows it. Try to be more subtle and you might get this into people's unconscious thinking. Point out sensible missing features and you might get people to buy both an iPad and a PC. Do it this openly and you just look out of touch.
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"...detects it as an "entertainment device""
Since when are entertainment devices all toys? I get entertainment from a variety of things, like driving a car really, really fast around a track on the weekends. I play golf with friends where I use an app on my iPhone to judge the distance to the pin. The device I'm staring at right now to type in this message entertains me.
So, cars, golf clubs, mobile computers and desktop computers are toys?
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
That seems equivalent to stealing an iPhone, a device that has all your digital data, financial information, communications, essential life info requires for personal and professional survival.
Those who are well known only for being well known should get jobs or stop whining. Of course its a felony to deliberately destroy valuable property for no apparent reason. Lock him up! And put it on live video streaminng for the fanboys, if such he has, lol
I suppose this topic got here as a subset of the equally bizarre concept that there is, or should be, such a thing as privacy, whether in practical or legal terms I have never been able to tell, as the concept is a fantasy. In the traditional village, therecwas no such thing as privacy: everyone knew every single thing anyone else did or said, usually in real time, and pretty much knew what they thought as well. Humans evolved in and for that; gossip keeps us righteous, more ort less.
Guess what we are back to the future, again...
Avoid the theft/snatching charge.
Just punch the papparazi in the face and deal with the misdemeanor assault charge.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
do you plug your car or golf clubs into your computers?
-Noc
He didn't steal the phone for any good reasons (ie to feed his family) he did it to be an ass. His largest crime though is going around calling himself a comedian when he clearly isn't one. Just do society a favour and castrate the ex-junkie.
OMG SO EVERYONE SHOULD GET IPADS INSTEAD OF PC's FOR WORK
that is what i see when i read your post....fact: ipad does not replace a pc. get this through your fanboy heads. its not a microsoft conspiracy either. I am a linux user.
-Noc
Yesterday I was listening to C-SPAN, and they were discussing a concept of crime under passion, giving an example of jealous husband who stumbles upon his wife having sex with another man, and that in some jurisdictions it's considered as a factor for sentence reduction.
I think snatching a camera when the owner is actively abusing "being in public" concept, could fall into that category.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
can i run visual studio or Siemens Step 7 on an ipad?
no? then bugger off while I write software for a million dollar industrial machine.
anyone can make a gimicky hardware toy, e.g OpenPandora, raspberry pi, apple ipad, but for real work cad (email and word dont count), I need a x86 Windows PC.
you can plug your car in using the ODB scanners which use CANBUS. cheap USB scanners with windows software are on amazon now.
its not too far fetched to have a programmable golf bat.
I think you seriously misunderstand the intent of the article. It is definitely not about Apple iThings. But since the general public doesn't have a slashdot car analogy to use, the article writer finds the general public's awareness of Apple iThings to be convenient to help put cost/value considerations into a frame and perspective they can easily identify and measure. And that's pretty important when getting a message across I should think.
The article also rightly calls out that iPad is less expensive than iPhone. The message of this article is that these devices are demonstrably exaggerated in price by carriers and/or manufacturers and that a consequence of such exaggeration is that theft of such devices moves into the range of felony under most juridictions. While they could have written the message that "mobile phones are overpriced" it helps to make the case by demonstrating some very concrete examples of real-world consequences of these exaggerated prices. After all, people have simply accepted the high price of these things and their rate of loss and theft.
So, cars, golf clubs, mobile computers and desktop computers are toys?
Are you familiar with the saying 'Men don't mature when they grow up , they just get bigger toys' .
You don't ever get that feeling of awe when looking at a brand new car, or the latest iPad ? I do.
Slipping shoelaces ?
its a toy
if the ipad had USB slots, esata, RS232, RS485, ProfibusDP master, UART, SD card, DVI, gigabit ethernet port, then I would get one to work with.
you can lose the shitty camera and sensors as they dont add any value to me.
I never got "that feeling of awe", but then I have Asperger's. I find this arguing over semantics entertaining though. Does that man that people are toys, because that would explain a lot.
can i run visual studio or Siemens Step 7 on an ipad?
I don't think you could run either of those on a Windows phone ... or Windows tablet ... or a Mac ... or a Linux desktop ... or a Linux server ... or <insert name of main frame, big iron or super computer here> either. I guess that makes all of them toys?
Just because it doesn't run the specific software that you require doesn't make it a toy.
See Firehose
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"Math is hard! Killing Gooks is fun!" - Vietnam Barbie
That's not how factors work.
It's not in your face, it's in my hand.
iPhone $400, data within $100,000, privacy breach $1,000,000. Definitely a felony.
"If you're not passionate about your operating system, you're married to the wrong one."
I would be willing to bet that the "million dollar industrial machine" you talk about can't run visual studio and Siemens Step 7, either. So why are you wasting your life writing software for a toy?
-Arthur
Cave ne ante ullas catapultas ambules
Russell Brand wouldn't have to worry about it if he hadn't STOLEN a pap's phone. (What he did with it later is irrelevant).
DON'T TOUCH OTHER PEOPLE'S STUFF. Don't like their camera? Sorry. Don't like their phone? Sorry. Don't like their iPad? (stupid, I know, but the OP mentioned iPads so I am bringing it up for completeness.)
I don't care if you're a Hollywood Celebrity, a faux Paris Hilton celeb, or just someone who's self important.
DON'T TOUCH OTHER PEOPLE'S STUFF.
Then you won't have to wonder if you committed a felony or misdemeanor by your UNLAWFUL ACT.
Wait... let me summarize. ACT LAWFULLY AND KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF. Don't try to claim your act of vandalism is "only a misdemeanor." It's really "only" poor manners and UNLAWFUL on your part.
Cheers and all that.
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This guy is generally despised by the Daily Mail
FTFY
I never rated him much either but I ended up listening to him a few times when driving back down from London late at night and he was genuinely very funny. Not to everyone's taste, but presumably those same people howling for Brand's blood also choke on their All-Bran when they read the sensational tabloid reaction to Jimmy Carr's latest "outrage". What a bunch of wank.
The Daily Fail jumped on the story because the figure of fun, Andrew Sachs, was part of that great "British Institution" Fawlty Towers, which was so great they only made 12 episodes. Andrew Sachs' greatest contribution to British Comedy was putting on a "funny" Spanish accent and acting as a second-string clown to John Cleese. His grand-daughter was a burlesque dancer, a porn-star and a high-class escort/S&M dominatrix. Prank-calling him was in poor taste but I'd bet dollars to donuts that if they'd called up Laurence Fishburne and pointed out that his daughter is a porn-star I doubt the ultra-right-wing Mail would have even looked up from writing their bile about illegal immigrants to notice it.
If it's worthless, then maybe I can give you my address so you can mail me a free one.
If you are thinking of the S7-300 which a CPU can cost up to 5k USD, or the mighty S7-400 which CPU the size of a shoebox can list up to 20k USD. Well in that case you would be wrong, because at the very top of siemens control hardware family lives the 19" Industrial PC. Which if sir has to ask, sir cannot afford..... ...which only runs Windows XP or Windows 7.
can i run visual studio or Siemens Step 7 on an ipad?
You're gonna feel so damn foolish and naive when in less than two years, you CAN (easily) write a program every bit as fancy as anything you can produce on a PC, on a tablet or phone even.
Of course it can replace a PC. It just depends what your requirements are for work. Why I work, 80% of users can switch to tablets like the iPad, and save the company millions in maintenance and support fees.
Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the author.
Not if it's from a papperazzi.
I'm more concerned with how Apple has snatched the headline. I have no idea what brand of telephone Russell Crowe threw at the head of the concierge in NY in 2005, nor did I think its brand had something to do with the court ruling the phone was a weapon. This appears to be a case of product-placement inside of real crimes.
Gently reply
Except the wifi iPad has nothing to do with the iPhone besides being made by the same company and running the same OS. The 4G iPad is a more fair comparison, starting the $630 and going up to $830. That is in the realm of mobile phone pricing and does mobile phone things.
The poster did not factor in the monetary value of the data contained on the phone. Some of it could be valuable, or private information. If it is a targeted theft to get at the data rather than just "stealing the phone" then there may be situations where a felony is justified.
LOL
i will opine that the phone stolen MIGHT have had valubale or private personal info, making it a personal violation.
but nowhere NEAR the violation a modern day public person has to endure by all these virtual cannibals chewing away, usually at the most difficult times in one's life....
so how about an harassment charge for the virtual vampire?
Better than being a Never Nude, I suppose.
Geeks, you need to be more proud of the law, it is much more geeky than most of us think.
Why would you ever be proud of something which is specifically designed to enslave people (prison) and ruin their lives?
I wish we could give a -1 Troll to articles themselves.
I thought that was what the firehose was for.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
It's not yours, so you can't snatch it
I don't like people telling me what I can and cannot do. You meekly telling me I "can't" certainly has zero bearing on anything.
Become a paparazzi and stalk me. Find out how fast your iPhone gets shoved up your ass sideways.
I have rights too, you know.
[Where] I work, 80% of users can switch to tablets like the iPad
By "tablets like the iPad" did you mean to include tablets running Android OS? If not, the signing requirement hurts smaller businesses that aren't big enough to qualify to develop and deploy internal applications.
Does that man that people are toys, because that would explain a lot.
Oh yes. Play with them. Especially the pretty ones.
(Observe all appropriate initiation protocols or you may get hurt)
Where you work is not where almost everyone else in the world works, buddy. You can't replace the nations banking, trading, medical, and _____ infrastructure with iDevices, or Android devices, or :cough.crapberries:.
I don't know what you do, it really doesn't matter, but you are wrong. iPads are mainly used as consumer toys, not IT solutions (which is maybe 1-5% at this point).
What's the threshold for grand theft? I was under the impression it's $500 in most places.
So if it's an iPhone 4S, which costs over $600 to replace if you're not on contract, then yes, it should be a felony.
A quick Google definition search: toy/toi/ Noun: An object for a child to play with, typically a model or miniature replica of something. An object, esp. a gadget or machine, regarded as providing amusement for an adult: "in 1914 the car was still a rich man's toy". Bam!!
can i run visual studio or Siemens Step 7 on an ipad?
I don't think you could run either of those on a Windows phone ... or Windows tablet
If it's a Windows On ARM tablet, it'll be locked down as tight as a Windows phone. But if it's a Windows On Atom tablet, you can probably run Visual Studio just fine because Windows will see those as a PC with a pen.
or a Mac
Macs can run XCode. If you add a $200 copy of Windows, they can run Visual Studio.
or a Linux desktop
A Linux desktop can run plenty of Free IDEs. So can an Android tablet running AIDE. I guess this leaves iPad and Windows On ARM tablets as the only major tablets that can't be used for application development even when docked to a keyboard.
Paparazzi can follow and harass him all they like and he can do nothing about it.
Not true - he can decide not to be a celebrity. The victims of crime or accidents, who not only had no choice but are also suffering from the repercussions of the event are the ones who need the protection. However I think the most effective way to stop them is to stop buying their papers. We do not need governments to do this for us - we can, and should, do it ourselves by making such activity (at least in the case of victims) highly unprofitable. Afterall in a democracy the government should reflect the will of the people and if the will of the people is to read gutter journalism like this we should not expect governments to act until we show we are willing to stop reading such stories.
you CAN (easily) write a program every bit as fancy as anything you can produce on a PC, on a tablet or phone even.
Only if the tablet runs Android or some other operating system that allows unsigned or self-signed code. You can write a program on an iPad, but you can't test it because of how Apple's developer program works. You have to use something like Citrix or VNC to a PC to compile and run it, and if you're out of range of Wi-Fi and in the United States, a cellular data plan for doing that regularly can become expensive. I keep my netbook because I can code while taking the bus to and from work.
Citrix is seamless even over 3G
How many megabytes per hour does Citrix use?
There are other technologies like HTML 5
How does one write a barcode scanner application in HTML5? There isn't yet a widely supported API to (ask the user to) access a device's camera.
more computationally intensive ones can be coded server side
Not while the user has zero bars because moving vehicles don't get Wi-Fi and the user either has already exceeded his monthly 3G cap or is unwilling to pay for 3G in the first place. For hobby coding on the bus to and from work, a 10" laptop doesn't rely so heavily on a cellular data subscription.
There is English law (which also includes legal issues in Wales), Northern Irish law, and Scots law. No such thing as "UK law".
The Judicial system is where copyright mathematics was born. The prosecutors will go for the max and a felony.
And you can't just look at the hardware value, alone. The paparazzo probably had $8 billion worth of (infringing) content on it, as well.
Observe all appropriate initiation protocols [when playing with people]
Where are said initiation protocols reliably documented? Are the letters of Paul in the Bible any good?
this. you can prattle on about how useful an ipad is as a regular consumer, i dont give a crap.
you.
can.
not.
replace.
a.
pc.
with.
an.
ipad.
IN ANY SORT OF ENTERPRISE IT ENVIRONMENT.
or engineering environment for that matter.
ask an engineer if they would prefer to run autocad through citrix or xensource as a VM(to oh you know, a pc.) on their ipad, or simply run it on their pc....wait never mind that STILL says you need a PC to be effective or at least a server which does not inculde a beowulf cluster of ipads.
-Noc
It also is an infrastructure nightmare, you have to lock down all of those ipads to make sure some dolt doesnt download something stupid, give me a few hours with an exploit and your entire business would shut down completely.
dont have a backup due to no pc's?
that sucks.
-Noc
There's the firehose but it doesn't do anything for stuff that's gotten on the front page. I'd like to see a moderation and a bar that listed the percentages like
[---- 43% Informative ---] [--- 22% Insightful ----] [11 % Interesting --- ] [--- 12% Troll ---] [--- 9% Flamebait --- ] [--- 3% other ---] of coursed sized to proportions.
That way you could easily see if other people thought this was worth reading or not, not just whether it passed the somewhat arbitrary submission process.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Why would I want my democracy's rules to be determined by the same people who've proven they don't care about the rules?
Because perhaps they care more about the rules than some other people. Let me guess: you would have approved of taking away someone's right to vote for having smuggled slaves out of the South into Canada in pre-1860s United States.
Unless you're rich enough to write your own undemocratic laws
The following does not apply to phone theft or vandalism, but would you approve of taking away someone's right to vote for having violated an undemocratic law that was written by someone who was rich enough?
As just about any cash is property damage that exceeds $500. So the cops must do a felony arrest after one?
The prices offered for iPhones on the linked AT&T page may "vary by a factor of 376" but that's because some of the phone's value is embedded in the contractual commitments that come with it when offered at lower prices. You have two choices: use the "no commitment" price, or take the total value of the two-year contract and try to subtract the value of an equivalent plan with no handset. I doubt there is much difference at all.
The iPad can be locked down and I have backups of my iPad on my PC.
correct. on your PC. is this a personal pc we are talking about though? I thought this was for business.
You just proved my point.
-Noc
I find the freaking out about phone prices in the US quite amusing. Have you all ever priced smartphones in Europe? In Iceland, most smartphones range into the hundreds of thousands of krónur (~125KR/USD).
And relevant to the OP, it depends on the laws where you are at the time of theft what is and isn't a felony. In Virginia, theft of any item or items totaling a value of $200USD or more is a felony (yes, two hundred dollars, not thousand). This varies by state in the U.S., but I am reasonably certain that most smartphones and tablets would make the cut in most states for felony theft status.
Maybe if Siemens supported a more secure operating system (Linux RT), they perhaps they wouldn't be so vulnerable to virus. Stuxnet made a lot of customers rethink their Siemens designs. With the advent of IEC 61131-3 programming specification, industrial control if finally becoming a commodity. This is making it harder to justify $20k for a piece of hardware that probably costs less than $100 to manufacture. The fact that its a shoebox size is an indication of its legacy hardware design, as modern controllers tout small size due to newer processors, flash drives, etc.
Make that show up in the top of the RSS feed as well.
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
You are an idiot.
80% of enterprise users have 2 apps: email, web.
Thus, a tablet can replace their desktop/laptop.
Yes, there will always be people doing things that aren't suitable for a tablet. That doesn't negate the fact that most people CAN use a tablet for all their work.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
That's because of the limited list of choices for USB IDs.
What do you expect it to be listed as?
I don't even want to run Autocad/inventor/solidworks/excel on a PC... I want a workstation.
All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
Give me a few hours with access to a pc and its also possible to make a colossal mess of the business...
Corporate networks are built on the idea that everything inside is trusted, and everything outside is behind a firewall. Once you get on the inside, its easy to rip the whole thing apart. Having the network full of ipads would actually make that more difficult.
It's also easier to prevent an ipad user from getting owned or doing stupid than a windows user. Exploits could exist for either system, but the ipad provides less functionality to be attacked and has a better mechanism for updating third party apps.
Also, if you're going to deploy something like an ipad you should only do so when its the most appropriate tool for the job, and the same applies to a pc... This attitude that a windows based pc is automatically the best tool for any task is stupid. If you assess the actual needs of the users, weighed against security concerns and costs there are many use cases where ipads are actually a good choice.
For example...
A salesman who travels to client sites, needs to be able to quickly and easily show brochures and other information to his prospective clients, an ipad is much easier to carry round than a laptop or a big stack of paper brochures and has a bigger screen than a phone. In one case i'm aware of they actually double up as a (rather large) gps in the car, so the salesman can easily find his next client.
A warehouse that dispatches goods, an ipad or similar device can be carried around, it connects to a webserver over wifi which shows the worker the next order, and shows them which part of the warehouse to collect the goods from. He collects the goods, packs them, the warehouse inventory is updated to remove the items and the worker is then given the next job. I've seen some places use specialised hardware for this, but it tends to be more expensive than an ipad while not offering any benefits.
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...thinking this was going to have to do with the data access on the phone being essentially an issue of computer crime, and thus, a felony.
Our felony punishments are too strict. But, that said, otherwise, stealing a computer? Well, if using computers to break in and steal the data is a felony, then why the hell wouldn't physically taking the whole damn box be one as well (even if that box fits in your pocket)?
This guy is generally despised in the UK. In fact when he was caught making his obscene calls and the BBC was fined by Ofcom because of it he said "All I ever wanted to do was make people laugh".
Well Russell, start when you're ready.
Please don't post links to the Daily Mail website, you're not helping our colonial friends in any way by posting links to their bland, lying, untrue, overblown, one-sided shite.
We should point out that the Daily Mail is to good printed journalism as Fox News is to good television journalism. I wouldn't wipe my arse with torn up copies of the daily mail, the ink comes off the paper too easily.
Sigs. We don't need no steenking sigs.
Your a small niche, locked into a particular piece of proprietary software tied to a particular proprietary machine.
I also occupy a small niche, i require low level wireless manipulation tools that run only on linux with a modified kernel (i guess they could potentially be ported to any other system where you have access to kernel source code)...
I could potentially do my work on an openpandora or raspberry pi, but an x86 windows pc or ipad would be useless. Does this make all these devices toys?
Plenty of work also gets done on mainframes, as well as sparc or power based servers, many of which cost millions of dollars. does this mean that your x86 windows based pc is a toy?
The vast majority of home computer users do little more than browsing the web, even reading email is typically done via a web browser these days... These users would get by just fine with a raspberry pi or similar low cost machine.
The vast majority of corporate computer users do little more than word processing and email, again these tasks could be performed by a much cheaper machine running much cheaper software, saving millions of dollars.
There will always be niches that are tied to specialised equipment, and those working in such niches usually get ripped off with much higher prices and tools which are either very dated or wholly inferior.
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Most people actually want a physical copy of said brochure being that it is a physical copy of something they might spend money on.
you can lock down a windows pc to the point that you can only access an intranet with no physical box access. comparing how much you can lock something down is fruitless.
also ipad is wireless thus susceptible to packet sniffers and OTA spoofing.
also a full network of ipads means most of them are leaving your network on a daily basis increasing chance for something to happen. not to mention the fact that being that they are all on the exact same hardware/software its made exponentially easier to attack from a network security perspective.
If i can counter every single argument that you put out without even using brainpower than your solution is no better than mine.
yes it is comparing apples to oranges but the fact is, you need a pc to even sync with said ipad. backups are crucial. fact of life.
-Noc
which is still a pc by term of generalization =p if your going to go to that level ill simply say "ibm compatible"
-Noc
tossing someone else's iPhone?
someone else's
You're destroying (tell me the screen isn't cracking via toss) someone else's property.
Yeah, assuming you aren't a juvenile, you absolutely should lose your gun ownership, voting, and other rights for that. There's no fucking excuse.
you still need a pc to have backups. my argument is still completely valid, You are an idiot for your sheer lack of reading comprehension. I said REPLACE.
-Noc
"snatching" = stealing ( you aren't making a copy of it :) )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Paparazzi don't count as people so:
-should be able to exterminate them on site
-things can't own property so you can't steal a phone from a paparazzi
But anybody who charges me with a hand raised runs the risk of a broken arm. This nerd is not a pushover, and THAT is "stuff that matters."
..under this law. What legislator is going to stand up and ask for this $ limit to be raised? That only helps the boys sitting in the jail cell, and they don't vote...
The value of the contents could exceed the value of the device. If the only copy of a year's work is in there, it is worth a lot. If an encrypted copy of a database is in there, preventive measures can also be expensive.
It could also be that felony laws need to adjusted based on new inflation values and so on.
Or it means that the police should start to take seriously the theft of 500 dollar items. Which is somewhat problematic given the costs of taking things seriously.
There are phones that are thousands of dollars, those you would expect to be treated on par with comparably jewelry, but a 500 dollar item is in a messy place. It's cheap enough that your insurance deductible usually won't make it worth making a claim on (yes, some people have less than 500 dollar deductibles) in a lot of cases. So you just eat the loss? What consequences does this have for kids in schools who regularly steal stuff from each other? None of these things are handled well by laws written when 500 dollars had probably double or triple the buying power it does today, but it's still a lot of money.
In these cases it must not be a felony. It's an occupational risk the obnoxious DIY-paparazzi's suffer.
can i run visual studio or Siemens Step 7 on an ipad?
no? then bugger off while I write software for a million dollar industrial machine.
*affect dreamy, mind-controlled-like utopian voice* Exactly! That's the glory and wonder of an iPad! With an iPad, you neeeeever have to worry about all those hateful thoughts ever again! The Apple will take care of you, as will all of its divine helpers and third-party programmers who saw The True Way! And then you can be happy again, just like when Saint Jobs begat his first Mac! You can sit forever in bliss and watch movies and listen to music without aaaaaaany care in the world, forever and ever and ever, and you'll forget aaaaaaaaall about all that hateful, boring productivity! We're aaaaaaall happy here. All of us. Don't you want to be happy, iCitizen? Saint Jobs wants you to be happy. Saint Jobs is your frieeeeeeeend. Why would you not want your friend to be happy?
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Relevant.
Many places define value for purposes of theft as the highest amount possible determined by reasonable standards. In New Hampshire for example, the theft law defines "value" as:
Are you suggesting that because you don't like the manufacturer's pricing models, that we should just write a special exception into the laws for phones requiring some other standard be used?
This is not a situation like when the RIAA claims a mere copy of bits on a disk representing "music" and sold for $0.99 is actually worth $50,000. If someone steals someone's smart phone, the victim actually paid the $800 for that physical, tangible property, and will have to pay $400 again to replace it.
There are certainly problems with the felony laws: In many places, the threshold between misdemeanor and felony was defined decades ago and hasn't been updated for inflation. For example, it was set to $500 in New Hampshire sometime in the 1970s, and was only increased to $1,000 in 2010 (SB205, 2010), whereas $500 in 1971 is actually worth $2661.24 today (Inflation Calculator). But this doesn't mean we should be adding special exceptions into the laws for products people don't think are worth the purchase cost.
Liberty in your lifetime
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That is so pathetic; most people I know with iPads use theirs more for work than entertainment.
Interesting, most people I know with any kind of tablet (ipad included) use them for collecting dust after the first couple weeks. Seriously, I know four people with ipad or ipad2 that don't use them _ever_. I've got a Samsung galaxy tab sitting on my desk that I haven't used in a month or two. I've never met anyone who used one for actual work.
I think gimmick might be a better word than toy.
Should Snatching an iPhone Be a Felony? When celebs do it, hell yes. Screw 'em. Laws should reflect this. Why?
When Schwarzenegger signed an anti-paparazzi bill in 2010, it made it far easier for 'famous people' to sue media outlets that use photos that invade celebrities' privacy (particularly when vehicles are involved) in the state of California. Living in Los Angeles, I see celebs often enough to be quite jaded. Paparazzi annoy ME by getting in my way trying to snap those pictures for TMZ et al, but tough shit 'famous person', you're getting what you wished for. Having one's cake and eating it too, indeed.
I personally feel little sympathy for celebrities - their careers are often spent in and dependent upon being the center of attention, and cashing those multimillion dollar checks only further cements my opinion that they're also cashing in their personal lives, too. Period.
Essentially a nepotism-based employment opportunity where you're given the winning lottery ticket on a gold platter (with few real exceptions), being rich and famous takes a certain personality to handle that few have. Whether they're confusing their fame with wisdom or pushing their politics on the masses, these people need to be held far more accountable for their actions. Most were born on third base and confidently act like they hit a triple (as the saying goes).
(Irony: Brands' father was a professional photographer.)
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OMG SO EVERYONE SHOULD GET IPADS INSTEAD OF PC's FOR WORK
that is what i see when i read your post..
In that case you need your eyes tested.
..fact: ipad does not replace a pc. get this through your fanboy heads. its not a microsoft conspiracy either. I am a linux user.
A tablet does not replace a PC in many applications (e.g. as a developer's workstation) in just the same way as a PC does not replace a tablet (in e.g. carrying patient's notes or fully mobile work). That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that there are many people who are using tablets for work.
The criticism of my post seems to be based on the idea that the only work people do is software development and being PHBs. Doctors work too; graphic designers, believe it or not, work too; architects and artists work too. For each of those groups, a tablet where you can present information and read a bit of email is actually more valuable for their work most of the time.
To accuse me of being an Apple fanboi (note the spelling), is ridiculous based on my posting record. As a Linux user you should be able to recognise that it is perfectly possible to work without Windows. Something I do every day.
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Damaging private property is against the law, period. If these assholes hate their job so much they should quit. If the photographer took Brand's phone from him, do you suppose nothing would happen? I doubt it.
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Some states do have laws making filming police illegal, but the courts have been throwing them out as being unconstitutional.
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I'd really like to learn more about this fantasy land you live in.
Enterprise users use a hell of a lot more than just E-mail and web. Office is a big one, for example. Also, depend on the business, there are other more specialized applications.
I really wish I could live in your fantasyland, it would make being an IT guy a hell of a lot easier. :)
It might be illegal to take a picture of a celebrity (or anyone else) by pointing your camera at their backyard, but as far as i can tell it is perfectly legal to take a picture of them in a public place. Selling the pictures without consent is a totally different issue.
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Why can't you simply substitute my PC for a server? Multiple iPads can be synced with a single machine.
The 899 USD Windows Phone is a bundle, that contains the phone, high quality speakers and a bluetooth headset, in addition to headphones.
I'm not sure it's any different than the other things that are being made a felony. It's no worse than someone being labeled a sex offender for public urination. As for nullifying rights for convicted felons: If you can't trust them with a gun, then maybe they shouldn't be let out of prison in the first place.
The only thing PCs are used for at my plant by 100 out of the 105 employees is browser-based training videos, so this actually would work. Of course, the company also just buys $300 crap boxes every five years, so they're still probably coming out ahead versus if they'd bought tablets. We just got upgraded in December to new Lenovo boxes running C2D E8400s, I wouldn't be surprised if Lenovo gave them to us.
Plus, the employees are much more challenged if they want to swipe desktops.
But do any tablets offer network-based administrative control? Because that's what our (and most) IT guys really love, the ability to control updates and patches and software versions.
My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells by the seashore.
I think you are kind of making the point for having this sort of thing as a felony. The crime rate for the UK & Europe is substantially higher than it is for the US. Incentives/dis-incentives do work, even for criminals.
The keyword in your post is "can". It can replace it, but for intensive data entry or email, the lack of physical keyboard and the smaller screen means that even though you can replace it, you shouldn't.
Brochures are a little out dated these days, why would you want to keep a paper brochure , find it later as its tossed in the pile of other brochures from other suppliers, even the brochure from 2010 which isn't current but nobody can be bothered with sorting through and removing out dated info.
On the other hand , can you email me your latest brochure price list ect... sure 5 minutes later your working on the next order from that supplier, bonus points if you store supplier info together on your server so you can pull up the "brochure" even faster next time.
Keeping unnecessary paper is a waste of time and resources.
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Prison industrial complex? Put down the bong. It's about 2 things: Segregating criminals from society by locking them up and providing a disincentive to commit crimes.
This is not a case where deadly force should be used, but for those claiming it is vandalism rather than theft : Texas law permits deadly force for malicious vandalism at night. Ya'll be careful now.
Of course it can replace a PC. It just depends what your requirements are for work. Why I work, 80% of users can switch to tablets like the iPad, and save the company millions in maintenance and support fees.
Then stop posting on slashdot and get the coffee to the customer faster.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.
If your job requirements are such that an iPad can replace a PC for work, then you're working in a job that doesn't require a damn computer.
You could make a lot of money maying a smart golf club that analyzed your golf swing.
I think the referenced case could be treated as assault, with the theft being an aggravating factor. Because of the extra violent part of the action, throwing the property through a window, I think the victim has a very strong case for saying that he had a reasonable apprehension of a threat of bodily harm, and that is exactly how this case should proceed, as a criminal accusation of aggravated assault. There's no reason a jury needs to know that it was an iPhone specifically or that the victim was a "paparazzi" whatever that is. He was a person with a legal right to be where he was when assaulted, period.
you can prattle on about how useful an PC is as a regular consumer, i dont give a crap.
you.
can.
not.
replace.
a.
mainframe.
with.
an.
pc.
IN ANY SORT OF ENTERPRISE IT ENVIRONMENT.
you can prattle on about how useful an horseless carriage is as a regular consumer, i dont give a crap.
you.
can.
not.
replace.
a.
mainframe.
with.
an.
horse and buggy.
IN ANY SORT OF FARMING ENVIRONMENT.
you can prattle on about how useful an cellphone is as a regular consumer, i dont give a crap.
you.
can.
not.
replace.
a.
mainframe.
with.
an.
landline phone.
IN ANY SORT OF OFFICE ENVIRONMENT.
That is as may be, I am not familiar with UK law. The person I responded to said, "At least here in the UK," and then proceeded to give specific examples of definition from the law. They never delineated between the different areas of the UK, so I am unable to address what portion of the UK they were referring to. I was only able to address the definitions that they gave as being part of "UK law".
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I think paparazzi should be illegal and people would be allowed to beat them up or destroy their cameras etc if it happened.
You can't replace the nations banking, trading, medical, and _____ infrastructure with iDevices
That's funny because those industries use iPads already.
Medical
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/medtronic/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/dr-ferencz/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/rehabcare/
Banking and Trading
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/standard-chartered/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/bbva/
Sales
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/goodlife-team/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/gulliver/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/rcauto/
Industrial
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/crescent-construction/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/ge/
Law
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/fennemore-craig/
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/redlandspd/
Airlines
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/united-airlines/
And not to mention the most profitable enterprise in the world uses them quite extensively.
I'm sick and tired of people looking at the price tag of the phone at purchase time only, and ignoring any monthly fees and/or elevated prices for other services.
Forgetting some 350$ worth of accessories when bemoaning a 899$ price tag on a phone is just one exellent case point.
Some people use their smartphones for everything but only have weak security. Just like stealing a wallet. How much is that worth? Might as well be a wiretap too.
Take my stuff with violence = possible bullet
a job that doesn't require a damn computer.
What do you even mean by that? What do you mean by a computer? Most smartphones today are "computers". There are lots of people that need to get delivery addresses but do not need the full functions of a PC. In the old days they could have worked by getting those in the morning on a sheet of paper. Now their competitors all have modern communication devices; if they tried to work in the old way they would not be competitive and would not get any business. For these people a tablet, which could provide them full routing information on a nice display may be perfect. They need a computer but they don't need a PC.
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It seems like any other damages beyond that would be cover under tort law.
Why does the involving of an Iphone matter in the slightest?
References? Also note that there are different legal systems in England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland so you'll probably want to be indicating which bit of the UK you are referring to.
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Jesus fuck, you're dumb. Jobs made a huge point of showing office productivity apps (Pages, Numbers, Keynote) on the iPad 1 when he was demoing it to the world for the first time. This whole "ipad is only for content consumption" meme has jack shit to do with the way Apple itself views the product. Posts like yours are just more ticks in the "slashtards are mindless, irrelevant cretins" box.
I feel sorry for you.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
A few years ago I was on a commuter train in summer when an idiot having an argument with some other idiots pulled a pistol out of his belt and went waving it. I was behind and on his pistol side, so I grabbed the gun, twisted it up and away and threw it out through the upper vent window, which was open. Two others hit him, neither of them were who he was arguing with (they scooted away trough the people behind them). The nitwit squawked that the gun was a $900 Bernoulli, or something like that, and that it wasn't even loaded. I didn't even know if it was a real gun.
Was I guilty of theft? robbery? a felony? Were the two who hit the nitwit guilty of assault? Should I have been charged? Should they? None of us were, but the gun-waver was, with something. The police found the gun and the guy plead guilty, so we all got to just forget about it. I think this was right, and I don't think I would feel different if the guy had pulled a knife, or a stick, or if he had threatened me with a cell-fone. If I didn't want my picture taken I think it would be assault to take it, since my image is me. I would not take a fone away from someone waving it at someone else, but if the person they were threatening was objecting I don't think I would be wrong to put a hand in the way and tell the threatener to put it away..
Replace "iPhone" with "phone" or "mobile" or "smartphone" and absolutely nothing relevant changes.
That's it, though, isn't it? The story doesn't even involve Apple or its products save that it incidentally happened to be the brand of the specific stolen overpriced electronic toy. Hell, no iPad's were involved at all, and yet this click-bait summary managed to work them in anyhow all while mentioning that you can get one for less than the well-publicized $499!
When I clicked the check box to disable advertising I didn't expect the ads to reappear as articles. This is getting ridiculous.
The main item in the story is an iPhone, but somehow that means the story doesn't involve an Apple product? The value of this product is at issue because if it is over $300 it is a felony, if it is under $300 it is a misdemeanor. There is a discussion on how it is hard to pin down the exact value of this product, and a comparison to another, similar product for the same company that has an MSRP of $399 (where did you get well-publicized $499 figure from? apple.com has it listed for 399) The value of the device is what the story is all about. So the fact that it IS an Apple device is important. The fact than in iPad retails for $399 is important.
and it's not a toy - it's a powerful portable computer that can do some impressive and useful things.
An XBox or PS3 is a powerful computer that can do some impressive things. And yet many people would also consider them a toy.
I don't see what your picking fruit in a field has to do with computers.
Sure - they're customised computers though, designed for playing games. iPhones are multipurpose devices, which can play games, but also browse the web, listen to music, launch a remote terminal service to your machine, book flights, whatever you want. Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse just because it's an Apple product and well liked?
I remember when Linux was good... too...
For God's sake. We're talking about trying to make any transgression against an Apple Fanboi a felony, and the fanbois have drivel AAPL stock to the point that it's pricing in EPS of $44.
This insanity has got to stop.
Shooting someone over a worthless piece of electronics. You must be Duhmerican!
I think it's just that he has no regard for thieves and criminals who attack him, that's all.
But do any tablets offer network-based administrative control?
This comes as no surprise, but RIM offers enterprise tools for managing BlackBerry Playbook tablet computers and other brand handsets with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion.
Required reading for internet skeptics
The iPad can't come close to replacing a PC, but really probably the reason why Windows gave that message is that without iTunes installed it's detected as a music and video player. IE, an entertainment device. It doesn't know about Apps or anything else.
Where's the abuse of being in public? You're in public, that means you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. What next, you're not allowed to look at the famous while they're in a public place, without prior written permission?
The famous are very happy to take the positive aspects of fame. Along with that comes a responsibility to put up with the negatives. I like Russell Brand, actually. Find him bl**dy hilarious. That doesn't mean I think he has the right to steal one person's property, then damage that person's property *and* the property of the completely innocent person whose window he threw it through, just to make a childish point.
If the paparazzo was breaking any law, Brand would be within his rights to call the cops, just like the rest of us. If they weren't, then he wouldn't. Either way, he doesn't have the right to dish out vigilante justice and expect to get away scot free.
First off, what has this got to do with an iPhone? Nothing.
Same would be true of any phone.
Second off, phones have never been cheaper. Five years ago, the most expensive phones were around $1200 (some HTC and some Nokia). I think you could even find some for $1400 -- ones with slideout keyboards like HTC Shift? And before that it was even more expensive.
Now we're looking at the most expensive phone in the world being $899. And Slashdot runs a story about increasing phone costs?
So should modding this post down.
Have gnu, will travel.
Except for a very, very limited number of people, damned few jobs require a computer. Hell, plenty of people have programmed computers via punchcards, IOW, without a computer. However, a staggering number of jobs benefit by having a computing device.
Your arrogance is impressive.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Your friends must be mildly retarded then. Go check the prices for used iPads on eBay. Then come back and explain why it makes more sense to use them for gathering dust instead of selling them for money.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
Censoring out 'bloody'? What kind of poofter are you?
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
There is English law (which also includes legal issues in Wales), Northern Irish law, and Scots law. No such thing as "UK law".
Blame julesh, who said: "At least here in the UK, this would not be considered either theft or robbery." Ask your countryman to be more precise.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
He should have his lawyers delay the trial a few months until the iPhone 5 comes out, then the thing will be completely worthless.
I picked up one of his videos at a charity shop.
Boy was I mugged.
35 pence and no real way to get my money back!
This was the creep that phoned up Manuel and told him he'd shagged his grand-daughter.
I'm pleased he doesn't like phones much though.
Maybe he's learned?
A mobile browser is in no stretch of the imagination a replacecment for a PC browser. That's a little like saying we could all run Netscape 1.0.
A tablet doesn't even do web or email to adequately displace a PC.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
It's much like saying that you can replace a shovel with a teaspoon. Both objects do much the same thing but they are hardly interchangeable.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
This has nothing to do with "it being Apple". It's a simple matter of allowed capabilities. An iPad is presented as an appliance with meaningful limitations on what the end user can do with it.
It's not a PC because Apple has chosen to play the role of corporate IT tyrant with it. The same goes with any other PC trying to pretend it's an appliance. (Android, Tivo, Router, NAS)
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
It's not arrogance. Somewhere else in the sub-thread someone made the same point: that a large percentage of enterprise needs fit into the "Web + Email" functionality. Except that hasn't required a "computer" (for any meaningful context of the term) in over a decade. WebTV, 'web-appliances', and dumb-phones all provided the same subset of functionality for years now.
The iPad doesn't change that at all. It's still just a toy that happens to include the ubiquitous base function.
is that celebrities do not like hearing that the same rules that apply to everyone else applies to them.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
With Windows 8, your argument may lack credibility as it's very obviously designed for the tablet user in mind. Too bad everyone uses a mouse and keyboard. Gotta run the mouse in a "3 snaps in a Z formation" to load the browser or some other ridiculous pseudo-swipe.
-Kinsey
I hate to reference Wikipedia, but anyway:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer)
Note there's also a section in the contents regarding Tablet PCs. You might argue that Wikipedia is not the definitive source for what the definition of a PC is (and you're be right), but neither are you. As far as the quoted above definition goes, I think the iPad fits it pretty well. It's a personal device that runs programs - it being a walled garden doesn't by definition make it no longer a PC.
We're on the cusp of a redefinition of what typical computers are for people. I'm happy to go along with it simply because I don't want to be a grouch who is unable to accept that definitions are malleable. Otherwise I'd continually be incensed by the media's use of the word "hacker" all the time.
I remember when Linux was good... too...
Depriving someone of their phone is a crime. (Mayhap they were being annoying with it- people are annoying with their cars every fucking day, and I don't get to smash those.)
So, what is the replacement cost of the phone, and what is the additional penalty to try to discourage others from smashing phones in the future?
Seems easy enough.
But do any tablets offer network-based administrative control?
This comes as no surprise, but RIM offers enterprise tools for managing BlackBerry Playbook tablet computers and other brand handsets with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion.
The Playbook has a track record of very, very secure email. So secure in fact, that it didn't exist for the better part of a year.
A company that can't get email working on its flagship tablet for that long after it ships is completely dead in the water. Apple can do some nutty things, but not being able to figure out how to implement email in your own product is just straight-up insane.
If your job requirements are such that an iPad can replace a PC for work, then you're working in a job that doesn't require a damn computer.
Please tell me that you don't work in IT. If you do, I pity the people who are forced to make their business case to you.
Nope, development. So they have to make their use cases to me.
Bwahaha.
Yes. I mean, if it were any other phone, a misdemeanor would be enough, but if it's an iPhone, then definitely a felony.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
but for real work cad (email and word dont count)
So the work that some 80% of the workforce uses a computer for, it's not "real work"?
Get off your fucking high horse. Your use case is not the only one out there.
OMG I'M A OPPOSITE FANBOI
that is what I see when I read your post. Spend your whole life being contrary.
GO DO IT
On the contrary, he's certainly a Europeon. In America, they would have shot the paparazzi.
Let's just make everything a felony! That'll stop crime, for sure.
No, it's O.K. ,Paparazzi are undesirable like cockroaches or diarrhea, not even human. A medal for service to the public is recommended.
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... buying one should be.
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In other news, 80% of enterprise users deemed completely worthless.
Because, well all know, making something a felony always results in reducing the incidents of that behavior !
It also distracts from the complex and disturbing privacy issues that nobody really wants to get into, because it steps on too many government and industry-impacted toes...
How much of a right do people have to hound and harass other people, and is your right to pester someone greater than their right to the level of privacy that you enjoy ?
But I guess if you grab the photographer's camera, which can cost thousands of dollars, it's OK to throw that way and not be a felony!
Once you factor in the required contract and data plan, you're talking thousands of dollars.
Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
It shipped with email though BlackBerry Bridge. If you wanted a stand-alone client, you could download one from App World from the very first day.
but not being able to figure out how to implement email in your own product is just straight-up insane.
Yeah, it would be crazy if it was true, which, of course, it's not. The PlayBook had email from day one.
Really, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Is Apple "completely dead in the water" because they "couldn't figure out" copy/paste or MMS for a year after the iPhone was released?
Required reading for internet skeptics
So the law should be based upon what you have personal sympathies for? I take it you don't have a problem with that? You don't see how that could go wrong?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
you still need a pc to have backups.
Even with iCloud?
It wasn't persecution when Hitler and his mates were happily shovelling Jews into the ovens by the freight-car load, either... To the German government in power at the time.
Sometimes, believe it or not, when a government makes a decree, that decree fails to be the truth.
Who really cares what the value of the goods which were taken amount to? It should make no difference. A thief is a dispicable creature, regardless of what he/she steals or what it's value is determined to be - or whether the government which holds jurisdiction considers it to be "theft" or not.
Hang a thief. He or she will never do so again. Hang them all, whether they stole a jet full of gold or one tarnished penny. It's not the value - or lack of value - of what they stole, it's the fact that they did so in the first place.
Completely remove "value" from the situation and hang the thief. Leave him/her dangling on the end of the rope in a public place until the crows have had their fill. I expect that incidences of theft would drop even faster than the population of thieves that produce the theft - but even if it does not, it will slowly and surely give all mankind the gift of there being less thieves in the world.
There is a legal term "Mens Rea" or in English, "Guilty Mind". This is a general principle in law that the court must prove that whatever you did was done with intent or at least with a degree of criminal negligence (e.g., no-one intends to have a car crash by driving negligently). I don't know if Brand or Brown's actions qualify as felony but deliberate destruction of someone else's property fits the bill of Mens Rea. There is however the issue of provocation. Everyone has their own thresholds and I suspect if I was subject to the same chronic provocation that some public figures receive I would be sorely tempted to grab the implement of torment and shove it into a part of the tormentors anatomy where the sun don't shine. Fortunately I'm not a public figure (and I don't have much sympathy for Russel Brand)...
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So the law should be based upon what you have personal sympathies for? I take it you don't have a problem with that? You don't see how that could go wrong?
Laws should be blindly enforced, regardless of how much $$ you have access to or how famous your face is. I don't care how much a celebrity whines that their personal life is being violated as long as the same so-called violation could be legally directed towards a non-celebrity. I'm certainly not claiming to base a law on my personal opinions. It's simple: Do not give celebrities any more special treatments (esp. legal authority) over their already royalty-level treatment they get now, but that's exactly what the 2010 CA anti-paparazzi law did that was signed into law by someone who was himself a major celebrity.
This thread is off-topic ever so slightly, but does anyone really think these 'rich and famous' should be legally treated 'better' than the rest of us? But, that's a flaw in our (USA's) legal system, isn't it. Money does buy happiness...er...powerful lawyers.