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iFixit's Kyle Wiens On the War On DIY Electronics

pigrabbitbear writes with an excerpt from an article at Motherboard: "Anyone planning on buying a new iPad should know what they're getting themselves into by now. In recent years, Apple and other hardware manufacturers have made it liquid-crystal clear that they're not fond of the idea that customers can tear open and fix products without the help of licensed repair specialists. Even if it's as easy as ordering a part online and following a few instructions gleaned from a Google search, hardware companies generally seem to prefer we keep the hood closed. It should not be surprising, then, that the latest version of Apple's much-desired tablet has one 'killer' feature that's finally getting the attention it deserves: A design that stops you from getting inside of it."

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  1. don't buy the fucking thing then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    everyone knows what apple is all about by now.

    1. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by Squiddie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is this modded down? For once, Anonymous Coward is perfectly correct. Don't buy their products. We already know that Apple is about walled gardens and taking control from the user.

    2. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what does it matter? Is my refrigerator a walled garden because it's hard to get into and fix? Is my dishwasher a walled garden? How about my car? My car now has a fancy computer that needs a special adapter and software to interface, is that a walled garden?

      My girlfriend and I have identical phones. I spent the weekend rooting hers and updating it past where the carrier did. I spent the other part of my weekend trying to figure out how to convert rle images to png and back, unpacking the boot package abootimg and trying to mount /sd-ext and move /data to it.

      She hated what I did. She wanted it to 'just work'. No customizing, nothing. Sprint did a good enough job for her to be happy with it. She doesn't want root, or walpapers or anything fancy, she just wants a phone that works. She'd be perfectly happy with the iPhone (but Sprint didn't have it when she switched.)

      My aunt, a doctor, loves her iPhone. She hasn't done anything but the most basic customization to it. SHE DOESN'T CARE. If it breaks, she buys a new one or pays to fix the old one. She walks into an Apple store and the transaction is done. She doesn't want to try and take her phone apart. She doesn't care how it was assembled. She doesn't care about walled gardens or who has 'ultimate' control. She wants her e-mail and a web browser in her pocket that syncs with her Mac. Apple gives her that.

      Not everyone in the world is a computer nerd. There's a reason Dell, Apple, etc make a profit. You sneer at everyone that 'over pays' when it's obvious you just need an AM-3 socket motherboard and AM-3 socket AMD, matching fan and you could easily have a computer than is much cheaper. But people don't want to spend time building a computer, they want facebook, gmail and porn. If you came up with a device that did that, cost $100 and the end user had to sign away their rights to vote in the next election you couldn't keep the thing on the shelf.

      If you want open sourced everything, go get the openmoko.

    3. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      anonymous coward only talks about half the equation.. it is a passive-aggressive reactionary tactic typically presented as the only 'moral' solution. the question it doesn't answer is what does one do when it's all locked down (as is the trend nowadays)? being painted into a corner is inevitable where one is forced into something one doesn't really want, but needs, to accomplish something else timely/conveniently. unfortunately, that something else is now less pleasant than it used to be because of its newfound dependency on user-hostile technology masquerading as convenience. Since the amount of activities computing affects are legion and growing every day, there could be a point where where one's whole LIFE is a list of things one is/was forced into but doesn't really want because of designed-in hostility to one's rights/personal sovereignty.

      In fact, society at large is going down this passive-aggressive path when it comes to rights and it is a big problem if one cares for personal liberty, not just politically, but also in terms of what one may do with his property and existence. the only way to break this is constant, active effort to work around/break the locking put in place by corporates/governments who want to build artificial scarcity into their markets/societies at the expense of those who are footing the bill so they can charge/tax more money/power.

    4. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by mjwx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what does it matter? Is my refrigerator a walled garden because it's hard to get into and fix? Is my dishwasher a walled garden? How about my car?

      You think a refrigerator or washing machine is hard to fix?

      Hand in you man card right now.

      In the last six months I've replaced a leaky hose on a washer, Re-fixed the compressor on a fridge (it was making that shaking sound all night because it had come loose) and lets not get started on my car. In the last six months I've replaced an actuator in the right rear door (central locking stopped working on the rear RH door), replaced my left wing mirror casing (thanks to some douchebag trying to pass me on the left at 60 and that's a right hand drive and KPH, I live in Oz) and replaced the clutch. The engine my have "no user serviceable parts inside" but the engine is not the entire car and the only reason I dont touch the engine is because I dont know that much about their internal workings.

      If you think whitegoods or cars are walled gardens, you clearly dont know much about either of them or walled gardens.

      This is the problem people are trying to point out, so much could be repaired but people treat it as disposable, creating waste and wasting money.

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    5. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My car now has a fancy computer that needs a special adapter and software to interface, is that a walled garden?

      It is, and that's a problem. If your dishwasher is obfuscated to make it harder for third-party mechanics to fix it, that's a problem. If your washing machine refuses to work if it contains socks from a non-partner clothing manufacturer, that's a problem. Any time a device you own acts in a way to benefit its manufacturer at your expense, that's a problem which wouldn't occur in an ideal free-market, but may require legislation to prevent in the real world.

    6. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. The HTC is larger because it has a bigger screen. It's just as thin as the iPhone4.

      And Android has surpassed iOS according to the latest stats, so apparently consumers do give a shit about these things. Just not the morons like you who buy Apple shit.

    7. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This article is really full of it. It looks at Apple, and then says the entire electronics industry is going that way. It couldn't be more wrong. Yes, Apple crap is made to be as non-repairable as possible, but all the competition is completely the opposite. All the Android and Windows phones I've seen have easily-replaced batteries. I haven't looked at tablets, but I imagine they're the same. Apple is in a category by itself, and its practices do not reflect the industry in general. The fact that a bunch of morons happily buy their junk doesn't mean the whole world is moving to unrepairable electronics, and they're not a monopoly so consumers do have plenty of choices.

      First, the reason why products are going adhesive sealed is not to impact user-repairability (I'd be surprised if anyone really cared) but because it's easier to assemble, and it looks a lot neater. And people care about looks.

      Want to know what I hate most about Samsung phones? Especially after buying a Gnex? The damn battery cover! Such a flimsy piece of plastic holding the battery in and threatening to break if you pop it on or off a bit too often. Sorry, but for a premium smartphone I demand something more than a flimsy piece of plastic cheaply clicked in.

      And you know why? It's because it's the only way to make a battery cover that doesn't take up huge amounts of volume with the latching mechanism. Short of going the Apple way, it's practically impossible. And the plastic has to be flimsy because it has to have elasticity so it doesn't break the first time you take it out of the box to put in the battery.

      Hell, Apple does have something to the whole sealed battery thing. Outside of business users, who has purchased a spare battery for their laptop or cellphone? I'd bet a good 99.5% of the population doesn't. As long as the battery doesn't completely crap out, if it still works by the end of the contract, most consumers go for a new phone on contract. And I'm sure half the people who complain about their phone getting crap battery life could fix it by replacing the battery. But they won't - they'd just get a new phone.

      Ditto with laptops - if the battery lasts 3 years, that's good enough. If the laptop still works, they'll just treat it as a computer without a battery. I know of a lot of people who run laptops with dead batteries. And no, they won't buy a replacement - even if they can buy it. Spending $50 to buy a battery for a computer now worth $50 on Craigslist?

      So Apple realized if people aren't willing to change batteries, might as well make the whole device nicer and use the volume for more battery.

      As for fixing, it's a niche. It's economically infeasible to repair technology these days, at least in North America. For example, you buy a TV for $1000. Three years down, it breaks and getting it fixed will probably cost you easily $500. Do you fix it, or buy a new brand new TV with gee-whiz-bangs? Ditto a computer - if the motherboard dies after 3 years, are you going to spend the $400 to fix it, or just buy a newer faster one for more?

      And anything under $200 or so is not worth fixing. That 20" monitor? It'll cost $200 for a tech to fix it out of warranty, so just buy a new one.

      Hell, some of the budget brand crap have horrendous warranties. Sure they'll fix it - just pack your 52" TV back in the box, and send it to our China repair warehouse. It has to get there in 30 days. Thus shipping alone would cost you couple hundred bucks to get a warranty repair.

      Repairing stuff is a hobby. Treat it as such and you'll be happy - you'll get tons of broken and "broken" stuff from friends, family and neighbours that you can fix up and enjoy.

    8. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by Pseudonym · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if you can't fix your fridge, there are plenty of people who can, none of whom require permission from the manufacturer. This prevents the manufacturer and the repairer forming a cartel.

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    9. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by macs4all · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The new iPad uses EXACTLY the same construction techniques as the iPad 2 and the original iPad. So why all the vitriol?

      Two words: Page Hits.

      I watched iFixIt's teardown of the new iPad. Even though getting inside was EXACTLY the same as getting inside the iPad2, iFixit saw fit to not only give the new iPad a "2 out of 10" score on "repairability"; but, IN AN UNPRECEDENTED MOVE, also "downgraded" the iPad 2 to the same score (former score was 4 out of 10). This is asinine.

      Once you get past the use of industrial adhesives for the front glass (and actually including the use of adhesives), the iPads have relatively standard consumer-electronics construction techniques. Yes, the battery is also staked-down; but as you can see from the iFixit video, they were able to pull it free from the bottom "pan". It isn't like it was a one-piece-molded-in assembly, or even worse, a "potted" assembly. In fact, if you look at the pan, they only use a couple small puddles of glue (why waste money). Just enough to keep the battery from rattling-around. Certainly not enough to keep ANYONE from removing it. And obviously, that glue is meant to stay pliable (like silicone rubber adhesives), so it won't even deform the bottom pan when it is removed. Yeah, Apple sure wants to keep a reasonable repair tech (or dedicated hobbyist) from replacing that battery...

      Please.

      So, speaking as a former electronic bench-tech, and later, a designer of several industrial products that, since around 1992, have employed industrial-adhesives to solve assembly problems where basically no "fastener" would work (and, just like with the iPad, and with my industrial (DC motor-control) product designs, you will see adhesives used often in display-portions of a product's "packaging"), I submit that if having to use a hair dryer and some guitar picks is too much for you, then you really are too lame to be working inside of the device, anyway.

      Many, many, many consumer and industrial packaging designs employ the use of industrial adhesives. In fact, you'd be amazed at how many things are "glued together". At least Apple used a thermoplastic (rather than thermosetting) glue. Any other design would have called for fugly fastener "wells" on the backside of the device.

      A device that, aside from the (massively-custom) battery (which will likely last longer than the average person keeps that generation of the product, anyway), there truly are "no user-serviceable parts inside".

      Not one person in 1,000 reading my words has the skill nor equipment necessary to do component-level repair on anything as densely-populated as your average smartphone or tablet; and for those who want to attempt "module-level" repair, then the iPad (all generations) is no harder to get into than thousands of other devices you come in contact with every single day.

      Do you whine because you can't (for all practical purposes) replace the keypad on your remote control? (I'm sure SOMEONE does; but...). Do you complain because you can't effectively repair your DVD burner? Does it burn you to realize that the display portion of your modern, thin, laptop most likely employs the same industrial adhesives as are used on the iPad?

      So again, why does Apple get singled-out for using the exact-same assembly techniques as the rest of the consumer-electronics industry?

      As I said above: Page Hits.

      Now, watch as some fucktard on slashdot dismisses all this logical argument, simply because of my username. You guys are really pathetic sometimes... Grow up, will ya?!?

    10. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Informative

      just so you know, the 'sent from my iFap' message can be toggled.

    11. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So long, commercial-free e-mail.

      Oh man, you're going to flip out when I tell you about this thing we call spam.

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    12. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by justforgetme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that the apple2 came from a company that shared Woz' philosophy and the iPad came from a company that shares Jobs' philosophy.. Same trademark different companies.

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    13. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by justforgetme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now think of how much bone idleness stands between that and:

      FBI’s Joint Regional Intelligence Center heavily implies this [tinkering being suspicious behavior], suggesting that individuals engaged in certain technical activities should be regarded as “suspicious” and specifically mentioning people who "download or transfer files with ‘how-to’ content, such as [] information about timers, electronics, or remote transmitters/receivers.”

      Well done modern society, you made your visionaries and future inventors criminals in order to help the establishment to even more money.

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    14. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by macs4all · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ][ Forever motherfuckers! Still sore about the total lack of an upgrade path.... and with it the complete abandonment of that early geeky coolness. You could bring those up with no disk at all, start writting basic, drop into the built in assembler. Maybe it wasn't that useful like that, but boy did it ever get my curiosity going as a kid.

      Loved Apple of the 80s.

      Actually, IIRC, Woz's Integer BASIC and mini-assembler (along with his Sweet 16 (the 6502 Dream Machine) and the Apple Floating-Point Routines) disappeared as early as the Apple ][+. . That's why I used to call the ][+ the "][ minus"...

      Actually, I was quite the Apple 1/][/6502 geek in those days. Wrote (among many other things) for the Apple ][, a "program switcher", a virtual-memory "overlay" system for Applesoft BASIC programs (that let you seamlessly and easily write Applesoft programs that were WAY too big to fit in 48K (it actually leveraged the ONERRORGOTO, along with the magical "Ampersand" vector to evaluate what the "error" was (what "missing" BASIC code line was attempting to be referenced) and then used direct disk-sector reads to "swap in" a section of BASIC from disk, while preserving the variable "heap". As long as you didn't do something stupid like break "segments" in the middle of a FOR-NEXT loop, it worked a TREAT!), and an in-situ 13 to 16-sector DOS 3.2 -> 3.3 floppy reformatter. I also produced several variants of Randy Wiggington's most-excellent TED II Editor/Assembler (speaking of Sweet 16. TED II's Editor was written in Sweet 16) that not only assembled to and from disk (it was the only way to assemble DOS 3.3 from source!), but also cross-assembled to 6801, 6809 and even 8048 and 8085 targets.

      Good times. Good times...

    15. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by strikethree · · Score: 4, Informative

      Want to know what I hate most about Samsung phones? Especially after buying a Gnex? The damn battery cover! Such a flimsy piece of plastic holding the battery in and threatening to break if you pop it on or off a bit too often. Sorry, but for a premium smartphone I demand something more than a flimsy piece of plastic cheaply clicked in.

      When I bought my Samsung Galaxy S (a year and half? two years ago?) I thought the same thing you did... but after all of this time, the cover still holds nicely and has not broken or anything. *shrug* The battery cover actually works just fine.

      In case you are curious, I was deep into custom ROMs and such until I finally stuck Cyanogen Mod on it. What that means is that I had to remove the battery hundreds if not thousands of times to reboot my phone when I screwed up installing a ROM.

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    16. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by brentrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Want to know what I hate most about Samsung phones? Especially after buying a Gnex? The damn battery cover! Such a flimsy piece of plastic holding the battery in and threatening to break if you pop it on or off a bit too often. Sorry, but for a premium smartphone I demand something more than a flimsy piece of plastic cheaply clicked in.

      I hear this complaint about the battery cover feeling like it's going to break in the Galaxy Nexus all the time, but I've never actually heard anyone say theirs broke. It seems like a perfectly durable, flexible piece of plastic to me, I swap my battery all the time and it's a piece of cake once you figure out how to do it.

      Like you say, it's the only way to get a nice thin phone and still be able to swap the battery. Once the cover is on, it's a very solid and durable phone - I've lost count of the times I've dropped my Nexus and no damage whatsoever.

    17. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by adolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And you know why? It's because it's the only way to make a battery cover that doesn't take up huge amounts of volume with the latching mechanism. Short of going the Apple way, it's practically impossible. And the plastic has to be flimsy because it has to have elasticity so it doesn't break the first time you take it out of the box to put in the battery.

      I only mention this because it is impossible, but: The original Motorola Droid/Milestone uses a battery cover consisting of a very thin piece of neatly stamped aluminum, and the latch is both minimal and elegant.

      And before you write another novella about how flimsy it must be, please also allow me opine that I used the battery cover on this phone (with a bit of steel adhered to it) as a magnetic dash mount for years in my work truck. Accordingly, the battery cover has about 30,000 miles worth of holding the whole rest of the phone to the dashboard.

      It doesn't seem to have suffered from this use in any way that I can observe.

      Just sayin'.

    18. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

      just so you know, the 'sent from my iFap' message can be toggled.

      Not on my end.

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    19. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by Raenex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lets go back and look at what YOU said.

      It wasn't me that said it, but he's spot on.

      I posed the hypothetical question of devices being difficult to fix for any lay person of the general populous.

      You tried to equate how hard it was to fix a refrigerator to the "walled garden" iPad, and specifically said it was difficult, then claimed in a later post that it wasn't, just not worth the time. There are a lot of do-it-yourself laypeople that can and do make simple repairs to their home appliances, which are often designed for accessibility. You can't even simply replace the battery on an iPad, the kind of thing that lots of laypeople do. In other words, your comparison was ridiculous.

      Aside from just laypeople, this also impacts recycling. From a link in the article: "Apple claims the new iPad is environmentally friendly with a 'recyclable aluminum and glass enclosure.' The materials may be recyclable, but the assembled unit is not. We spoke yesterday with Steve Skurnac, president of SIMS Recycling Solutions--one of the largest electronics recyclers in the world. He told us, 'Sealed units make it difficult to remove the batteries. From a recycler's point of view, the hazardous components [like batteries] need to be easily separated or removed.'"

    20. Re:don't buy the fucking thing then by yoshi_mon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is not only could I fix my fridge if I so desired, I can shop around to see who is going to give me the best price on fixing my fridge. I don't have to only call Maytag and be beholden to whatever they say. I can get Joe's Fix-It shop to do it for me.

      And further me or Joe fixing the fridge is not being classified by FUCKING FBI AS A POTENTIAL "SUSPICIOUS" PERSON!

      And we are the ones that are insane?

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  2. This takes me back ... by Kittenman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I remember my first PC had a seal over the case, with the words "warranty void if broken". Back in those days I used to hesitate. After a while I didn't (I got my confident and it was my money).

    Same rules these days - it's the consumers bucks. If Apple (or anyone) wants to say "you had someone open this who wasn't us - goodbye" that's up to them. And that person can then take it down the road to the guy who's not so fussy.

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  3. follow my lead by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't buy anything with a locked bootloader (that can't be unlocked)

    Don't buy anything that requires a non-standard data cable, such as micro USB.

    Don't buy anything you can't change your own battery in using much more than a screw driver.

    My EVO passes the test, so does my netbook and all the Bluetooth (not Logitech proprietary wireless USB) peripherals.

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    1. Re:follow my lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      microUSB is so widely used now i would consider it a standard...

    2. Re:follow my lead by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The majority of Apple consumers don't care.

      The majority of consumers don't care. Period.

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    3. Re:follow my lead by Kotoku · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think he was using micro USB as an example of a standard, in comparison to the apple dock connector.

    4. Re:follow my lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      microUSB is so widely used now i would consider it a standard...

      Actually, microusb is a standard in the EU to cut down on electronic waste.

      Even Apple is grudgingly complying with a dock-microusb adapter:

      http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/10/apples-iphone-micro-usb-adapter-complies-with-eu-charger-standards.ars

  4. "It's up to consumers to make a choice" by rockout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thing is, 95% of consumers don't really care about repairing their own electronics, if not more. The remaining handful of people that choose not to buy an iPad because of its inaccessibility re:DIY repairs aren't going to make enough of a difference to make any manufacturer change their ways, even assuming ALL of them refuse to buy iPads.

    If you look at it objectively, Apple, or anyone else, is pretty much just giving people what they want. It doesn't seem like this 'killer' feature is designed to keep people from accessing the insides of the iPad; after all, what percentage of iPad 1 owners were tinkering around with the insides of it? An insignificant amount, from the perspective of the company selling millions of the thing.

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    1. Re:"It's up to consumers to make a choice" by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Giving people what the want" sounds like a phrase recycled from tobacco companies.

      It is true that most people don't want to DIY anything. The snag comes because what used to be an extremely common situation is now considered something that only approved technicians can do: replace the battery. Replacing a battery should not require complex tricks or the possibility of breaking a device and yet so many naive people are taking for granted that batteries are no longer replaceable because they have no desire to hang onto a product longer than a year or two.

    2. Re:"It's up to consumers to make a choice" by greenbird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, 95% of consumers don't really care about repairing their own electronics,

      It's not about people repairing there own electronics. It's about being forced to go to the manufacturer if you need even minor repairs or maintenance. Think how much an oil change in your car would cost if you were required to only go to the dealer or your warranty was voided.

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  5. Re:Stops us getting inside? by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the problem is that even if you're careful and know what you're doing, there's still a decent change of randomly breaking the glass. According to the video in the story, iFixit originally gave the iPad 2 a score of 4 out of 10 for repairability. However they downgraded it to a 2 out of 10, which is the score they also gave the new iPad, because of the number of failed repairs over the last year.

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  6. Maybe iFixit should try building an iPad 2 one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rather then complaining about how difficult it is to strip one down and reassemble it.

    Even Apple can't tear down and reassemble an iPad 2 or iPad 3. There is no magical service manual for doing so. If a device is found to be defective, it gets replaced. Internally, they get torn down and a lot of parts are recycled- but this procedure is ONE WAY ONLY. These devices were built with the assumption that they would NEVER be opened up.

    The reason for this, contrary to iFixit's belief- is not to screw the user over.

    The truth is that the tolerances inside these devices is so astoundingly tight, that there simply isn't room for clamps, latches, and screws (which require threaded posts on the other side- this always takes up more space then the screwhead does). In order to produce a device as sturdy as the iPad 2 and iPad 3, they *had* to use industrial adhesive over a large surface area to literally fuse the thing together. Screws wouldn't cut it. Clamps make for a rickety squeaky device when you torque it between two hands. And the iPad 2/iPad 3 chassis isn't like the iPad 1, which was thick and sturdy enough to survive that sort of mechanical abuse by itself (in other words, the iPad 2 & 3 design depend on everything being fused together- otherwise, the pieces by themselves lack the structural integrity required to withstand daily use).

    Apple makes money by selling slim, sleek, and sexy hardware. iFixit is blaming them for not producing thick, heavy, and over-engineered equipment instead that is easily serviceable and modular. The only time frame I'm aware of where iFixit's views were societally acceptable was around 1995-1998, where we saw pieces of equipment like the IBM Thinkpad 760XD (still own one of those- it's an awesome laptop). Chunky as hell, weighs as much as a tank (and is otherwise built like one), totally modular, everything is user serviceable. Compare that to a modern day Apple laptop though, and it looks like it was manufactured on a different planet.

    TLDR; iFixit is stuck in the past because their business model depends on it. Boo hoo.

    -AC (because I work for the aforementioned company as a tech during the day)

  7. eh by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I understand the appeal of fixing your own stuff, being able to take things apart and figure out how they work, and making them work better, but there's some things that are just not suitable for that kind of thing. Like, you don't hear people bitching that the transistors aren't replaceable on their CPU. As other components miniaturize, it's just too difficult to effect field repairs. They become too small and too delicate and tolerances are too tight.

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  8. Re:Apple / Macintosh's ideal of a closed system by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your analogy falls apart in recent years though, when you look at the popularity of the iPad and iPhone. Still closed systems, but more "open" options still can't touch them, sales-wise.

    Right....

    "Mobile operating systems:
    Gartner's Q3 2011 unit numbers total 115 million, with Google's Android shipping on 60 million smartphones, Nokia's Symbian on 19 million and Apple's iOS on 17 million.[32"
    "Predictions for 2012: (Gartner): 630 million units; Android 49% / iOS 19% / BlackBerry 13% / Windows 11% / Symbian 5% / Other 3%.[37] (Taiwan/Market Intelligence Center): Android 40% / iOS 19% / Windows 17% / Other 24%.[38] (IDC) 582 million units total.[39]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

    "Apple's iOS gained 1.4 percent market share between October of 2011 and January of 2012. That put Apple in second place, behind Google's Android which grew its U.S. market share 2.3 percentage points in the same period."
    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/08/ios_android_increase_smartphone_market_share_while_all_others_lose_ground.html

    "According to the latest number by IDC, Android gained significant market share in 2011 and is expected to gradually increase its dominance in the tablet sector over the next few years. IDC predicts that Android tablets will overtake iOS by 2015,"
    http://androidandme.com/2012/03/tablets-2/android-tablet-market-share-to-eclipse-ios-by-2015/

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  9. Re:Apple / Macintosh's ideal of a closed system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excuse me, but as an Apple user I find your use of factual information to rebut an Apple Superiority Claim as downright offensive.

    I totally refuse to accept your reality, and insert my own.

  10. Re:It's all about making a solid product by William+Ager · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can always make anecdotes about hardware durability. My 4-year-old Macbook Pro runs hot because of clogged fans that would require lengthy disassembly to clean, and is falling apart at seams that were presumably glued together.

    Unless you're compiling statistics on these things on a large scale, anecdotes aren't useful.

  11. Re:Maybe iFixit should try building an iPad 2 one by garyebickford · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The next step (already in the R&D phase at various places in Silly Valley from what I read a year or so ago) is to print the whole thing on a web press, from the back to the front like a big electronic newspaper. All of the individual components have been successfully done this way - even most of the 'chips'. Once we get to that point, the cost of manufacturing may be so low that it's pointless to fix even if it were possible - it would be one solid unit like pages of newsprint glued together. Just grind it up, separate the materials, reconstitute and reprint a new one.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this were already possible for a lower performance device.

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  12. Re:Maybe iFixit should try building an iPad 2 one by Alex+Zepeda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mod parent the fuck up. People like sleek, "sexy" designs. This comes at a price. Swapping hard drives on a MacBook Air is going to be far more difficult than on a Mac Pro.

    That said, ease of service comes and goes with Apple products. Ever try to get at the hard drive of an iBook? I gave up after about forty screws. Try it on a "classic" MacBook. Three captive screws and a pull tab. Easy as pie. I just replaced the top case on said MacBook when the keyboard died. I'm not happy that the keyboard/trackpad/case are all one piece (plastic welded together), but it was actually a pretty easy repair (and the iFixit guide got a number of key details wrong).

    On the plus side I now have fifteen extra upper cases...

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  13. Re:It's all about size by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Making it easy for things to come apart and be put back together takes space. The bigger the space budget, the more repairable and upgradable things have been. This has always been the case. This is why laptops have been more hassle than desktops, and why the iPad, which is shoved in there VERY tightly, is even worse.

    So really, you figure out what's important to you. Is it more important to have a device you can easily repair, or is it more important that it be thin and light? With tablets, few people vote for heavy and repairable since they've been available for years in the Windows Tablet Edition space.

    You were modded insightful, but you're wrong. One example in the smartphone realm is the HTC Sensation. It is slightly larger than the iPhone because it houses a 4.3in screen making it far more useable for my imperfect eyesight. However it is as thin, and if you drop it on concrete from ear height, nothing happens. I tested it. It has user replaceable battery, screen, and anything else you could reasonably want to replace without a soldering iron. HTC was very ingenious in the Sensation design, because unlike many manufacturers that either glue shut the entire device or use a flimsy backplate for the battery, the Sensation's entire casing comes off in one piece at the press of a tab. Solid, functional, slim.

    Another smartphone example is the Nokia N9, and its cousin the Nokia Lumia 800. The casing is a single polycarbonate piece that wraps around the internals. On the surface it only has two flaps that cover the SIM and microUSB. Yet you take out two screws under the flaps and everything slides out, making it accessible. And it's as small as the iPhone.

    In terms of laptops, the Sony Vaio SZ, the Acer Aspire 3820TG, and a whole bunch of others were MUCH faster than equivalent MacBooks, while still being fully user serviceable. I've taken dozens of laptops apart, replaced components inside including the motherboard, and NONE were as difficult to access as Apple products.

    I can't comment on tablets from personal experience, but I have looked at a Samsung a friend has. Intel Core i5, 4Gb RAM, microSSD, plenty of ports, 5+h battery life running Windows 7 and it's marginally thicker but about the same size as the iPad. Again, user accessible as far as I could tell.

    Face it, Apple CHOOSES to make their products the way they are. They even went as far as to invent a completely new screw type just to prevent people fro accessing their Macbooks. Sony used to be as bad, but a declining market share smartened them up a bit. Watching the iFixit video you can see the screen is glued all around, which may make sense. But why not put a few screws on the back so the back plate can detach, making battery replacement easy? Not swappable on a daily basis, just once every couple of years.

    Stop making excuses for a company that is worth more than half a trillion dollars. They DO think different(ly), as they've gotten screwing their customers down to an art form. And their customers love it.

  14. Re:Apple / Macintosh's ideal of a closed system by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given the time period (1980s), I'm guessing the GP was talking about the early Macintosh, not the Apple II series. Many of the classic Macs could only be opened up with a super-long-stemmed torx wrench and a special case cracker tool, and once you got inside, there was still no way to expand their RAM without a soldering iron (if at all).

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  15. Re:Yes, very true of Android users by yodleboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead Apple keeps things simple for those that need it, but allows expansive access for those that really want it.

    You can't be serious. The entire Apple philosophy these days is one size fits all.