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Michael Bay To Remake TMNT As Aliens

Nidi62 writes "We all know that Michael Bay loves to put 86 minutes of explosions into a 90-minute movie. But it appears that he has found a new way to screw up a movie. He is directing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reboot in which the turtles are not created with ooze: they are 'from an alien race, and they are going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely loveable.' No word yet on whether he's consulting with George Lucas on how to totally destroy the origin and essence of a classic story." Responding to criticism, Bay thoughtfully explained that fans need to "chill."

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  1. It's hte end of the world as we know it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I like turtles.

  2. Just what Hollywood needs.... by scottbomb · · Score: 5, Informative

    ANOTHER remake. How sad.

    1. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by jamstar7 · · Score: 2

      Some reboots haven't been that bad (Battlestar Galactica, Ocean's Eleven). A couple have improved on the original (Battlestar Galactica). Some have been downright awful (Land of the Lost, 21 Jump Street). And some the jury is still out on (Star Trek).

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    2. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just stop.

      We are very near the point where the free stuff out there is good enough to replace the stuff in theaters and on television (and I'm not talking about The Pirate Bay kinda free). Freeware games. *Excellent* YouTube series. Really original daring stuff.

      Just stop watching Hollywood's crap.

    3. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by mrmeval · · Score: 2

      I'm currently wading through Gutenberg's science fiction bookshelf. I'm also slowly building up a list of good authors who are independent of publishers. It's very difficult as there is zero rating system and you have to spend time to read what ever book they offer for review. Since by reading it I'm making a commitment to them that first one should be free, proofread and edited by a professional and be someone consistent and coherent. (ow ow ow).

      I now have all of two ebook only independent authors picked out. I'm building up the skill to weed out the wannabes, polemic spewers, TrueBelivers[tm], incompetent etc. I've read through about 30 of these and that's with weeding out a couple hundred and I only kept 2. I...can see why publishing houses have gone so insular and only want agents to do submissions.

      Several authors published through a publishing house are now offering ebooks of their work directly. Some use DRM some do not. I'll deal with that as it comes up.

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    4. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by PhrstBrn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure the jury on Star Trek is already out, and that it was good, just different. The movie changes the series from an adventure drama to more of an action movie. Although the reboot feels like a dumbed down version of Star Trek, they tried to stay true to the original cannon.

      While I'm sure any Trek fan will point out all the things they changed, they did change things up a bit, they did a lot of things right (ladder in the hallway, redshirt on an away team mission, rigging the Kobayashi Maru Test, Sulu is a fencer) to make sure everybody knew that the movie was really Star Trek. Besides, the original Star Trek already established split timelines as cannon, so any changes you make can be considered cannon in an alternate universe.

      The movie was good, tried to stay true to the original, what's not to like?

    5. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by tragedy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The jury is still out on the Star Trek "reboot" movie? I watched it in the theatres when it came out. I should preface the next thing I say by pointing out that I have eclectic tastes and can enjoy just about anything. As a dumb action-comedy/self-parody movie, I found the movie enjoyable enough. As part of the actual Star Trek franchise though, the jury is in. It wasn't any good.

      For starters, it's a time travel story. Time travel stories can be quite good sometimes, but 90% of Star Trek time travel stories aren't very good. You have to be very careful with time travel as a plot point. Beyond that:
      * Red matter? They drill to the core of a planet to turn it into a black hole with something called "red matter". The stuff works without needing to be at the core of a planet, which means you could destroy a planet just by dropping some on the surface, but the villains still need to drill a hole to the core.

      * Crazy villains. It's common for villains to be crazy. But the villains in this story were cloudcuckooland nutso crazy. Their planet blows up, so they go after someone who was trying to stop it for revenge. They end up back in time and then wait around for decades for him to show up so they can commit genocide a few times while he watches. All this for love of their lost empire. For some reason, despite being from the future, with advanced technological knowledge and future technology in their possession, they don't hook up with their beloved empire and share the technology.

      * Wacky supernova. Despite a supernova being a natural phenomenon we understand pretty well and not one of the wacky "anomalies" that crop up in the Star Trek universe, it apparently manages to hit the entire Romulan empire at once by surprise (they knew it was coming, but it supposedly arrived early), even though everyone and their mother has FTL communication and starships. For that to happen, the entire Romulan empire would need to be in one star system and the star of that system would have had to be the one that went supernova, which means that an entire technologically advanced civilization was living for centuries with sufficient technology to evacuate in a place they would have to know was doomed at any moment.

      *Wacky supernova solution. Red matter makes black holes. Got it. How exactly does that stop a supernova, which is the big explosion when a Star collapses into a black hole?

      *Wacky chases. Guy runs from space monster. Monster gets attacked by bigger monster which then chases guy. This isn't action movie stuff, this is wacky comedy stuff. This is the sort of thing that happens to Wile E. Coyote, not captains of the Enterprise. This is just stupid and it this sort of thing happens way too much in movies these days. Either directors or general audiences are clearly taking too much crack.

      There are all kinds of other problems. Of course plenty of stuff like this is present in all kinds of other Star Trek material, but it's all present in the stuff that we put our faces in our hands and groan for, not the good stuff. Lots of directors (especially those like Bay), just really don't seem to get it. This seems to have always been the case. Just look at all the Batman movies made by the people who seemed to have their minds stuck on the old TV show.

    6. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by jamstar7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The orignal 21 Jump Street was pretty damned good. It was heavy drama, and the actors looked like they could pass for high school seniors at the beginning of the show. Not so much at the end, of course. The two idiots they have in the current comedy version of Jump Street look like they're mid 30's. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, put them in edgy clothes, they'll fit right in on any high school campus. They look older than the teachers FFS.

      I watched the original Battlestar back in the day, as well as the abortion commonly known as Battlestar 1980. Trust me, the reboot is WAY better. Bay is drinking way too much of his own koolaide these days. Give 'em plenty of explosions to keep the 8-12 year olds happy, and who gives a fuck about a plot?

      You wanna see some goddamned good Hollywood movies? Watch Casablanca. Silent Running. 2001: A Space Odessey. 2010. Outland. North By Northwest. These movies didn't need 87 minutes of every 90 in a car chase or an explosion, they had a story, plot, and actually didn't insult the intelligence of the people who watched them.

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    7. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by IICV · · Score: 2

      Why go through all that effort and then not mention the two authors you like? The applicable content rating system is word of mouth, after all, and if you mention them you'll help raise the signal to noise level.

    8. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by Baron+von+Daren · · Score: 2

      I must admit I enjoyed the Star Trek reboot, if judged simply as a film. For me, it had it had just enough going for it to overcome the very, very long list of problems I had with it (and I am using all of my will not to share my list in great detail). This is all abstracted, however, from the fact that it was a Star Trek reboot.

      Ultimately the film is a failure, in my eyes, because it squandered it’s incredible potential. You are given a chance to reboot one of the most beloved and fertile fictional universes in the history of the world--and this is not hyperbole--and the best you can do is a marginally enjoyable summer blockbuster. I think Abrams and company took the easy path; instead of risking a grasp at the brass ring, they slid under a lower bar and made a mint. Of course profit is the industry's prime directive; no one is obligated to make a masterpiece. It’s still disappointing.

    9. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      It's the difference between a book with a good author, and a book with a good author and a good editor. There were some things that weren't bad, but could have been tightened up. A couple of examples:

      Sulu's sword fighting style. In the original, he was a fencer. In the new one, he fights in a Japanese style because, you know, he's asian and that's how asians fight. It was just lazy stereotyping. Fixing it just required tweaking the fight choreography a bit.

      Then there was the whole thing about where Spock was waiting. Somewhere where Vulcan was visible in the sky? That basically means a sister planet or a moon. There are some vague references to Vulcan having a sister planet (but no moon), so making this explicit would have been easy. But if it was a sister planet to Vulcan, why was it so hard to get supplies? A shuttle could easily have popped up from Vulcan regularly. Again, easy to fix: make it a science outpost measuring some gravitational effects so no ship could approach the planet without affecting the readings, and make young Spock send Kirk there knowing that he wouldn't be able to get off the planet until the next supply run. Put this in the dialog.

      Someone reading the script could easily have made these changes early on, but they didn't. That's why Star Trek was so frustrating: it was a good film, but it could easily have been a great film.

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    10. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      It's the Lost style of drama, also found in Heroes and a few other series: make it up as you go along. Contrast this with Babylon 5, where the executive producer knew the entire 5-years story arc in advance. There were some things that needed to be tweaked (actors left and were not-so-subtly replaced by very similar characters, they thought they would be cancelled after 4 years, so they threw a lot of the year-five arc into year four and then had quite a weak fifth year), but the episode writers were told 'you have to fit this event in somehow' and they did. This would often be something quite simple, like one character has to say something to another, but when you watch them all together you realise that it's foreshadowing for something that happened 2-3 years later. They didn't need to retcon things - the foreshadowing was all in place and the scene had been set. If you watch BSG and B5 you can clearly see the difference.

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    11. Re:Just what Hollywood needs.... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      2001: A Space Odessey

      You accidentally placed a treatment for insomnia in your list of good movies.

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  3. And in other news by realityimpaired · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:And in other news by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      The summary has it wrong, its not 86 minutes of explosions, its 86 minutes of panning around a lead character.

    2. Re:And in other news by strack · · Score: 2

      michael bay is conspiring to squeeze out a coiled turd over everything i watched on early morning cartoon shows as a kid.

    3. Re:And in other news by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 5, Informative

      The `insightful' mod isn't because people think that it is a factual report, but that it is insightful that the Onion, a comical `news' source, basically predicted the article.

      Life imitates art, blah blah blah....

    4. Re:And in other news by Drgnkght · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thundercats was awful. I'll admit I watched the show as a child. I even enjoyed it. A while back I had the misfortune of seeing it again on cable. My advice to the world is never watch 1980s cartoons as an adult. (Especially anything that had action figures!) Your brain will thank you.

    5. Re:And in other news by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      It gets worse as you get older, I enjoyed Bill and Ben the flower pot men when I was a kid in the 60's. Looking at it now I can only assume my parents were slipping LSD into my cornflakes.

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  4. Re:Bay needs to... by DurendalMac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe years ago, but now Megan Fox's ass has probably had 15 surgeries and looks like it's made of plastic, much like the rest of her. I'll pass. Why the hell do naturally beautiful women feel the urge to completely destroy that??

  5. "chill" AND "relax" by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did... did he just tell us to chillax?

    We've suspected it for years, but I think the trolling has just become completely overt.

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  6. Fuck him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles = TANT

    As in, this dude is tainting my childhood memories!~

    1. Re:Fuck him by jamstar7 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Except they're not mutants, ninjas, OR turtles.

      Somehow 'Teenage Alien Martial-Arts Turtleoid Lifeforms' just doesn't have that snap to it.

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    2. Re:Fuck him by kungfugleek · · Score: 2

      You say TOMATO, I say TAMATL.

  7. Justice must prevail. by oldhack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone who paid to see Michael Bay's movie must pay extra 10% income tax.

    Those who took their kids with'em need to be referred to child protection agencies.

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  8. fans need to "chill" by chill · · Score: 4, Funny

    Done!

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  9. An Analogy by Deathlizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Michael Bay is to 80's cartoons as Uwe Boll is to Videogames.

  10. Tonight I Dine On Doritos Soup by FarrisGoldstein · · Score: 3, Funny

    The latest: Shredder's not a Japanese gang leader, but a kitchen merchandizing mogul. Baxter Stockman is played by Vince "with the Slap Chop" Offer. You're gonna love his nuts.

    1. Re:Tonight I Dine On Doritos Soup by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, as much as I think Michael Bay is possibly the most inept and visually retarded filmmaker of all time, I'd probably watch it if Vince Offer was a major character.

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  11. Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by Kincaidia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I mean, FFS, it's in the goddamn name. It's like remaking Pirates of the Caribbean with Cowboys instead of Pirates.

    1. Re:Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by SalsaDoom · · Score: 5, Funny

      I mean, FFS, it's in the goddamn name. It's like remaking Pirates of the Caribbean with Cowboys instead of Pirates.

      I would go see Cowboys of the Caribbean.

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    2. Re:Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by Ichijo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like remaking Pirates of the Caribbean with Cowboys instead of Pirates.

      Set the whole thing in space and have them speak Chinese as a second language, and I think you might have a winner!

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    3. Re:Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      It's like remaking Pirates of the Caribbean with Cowboys instead of Pirates.

      Set the whole thing in space and have them speak Chinese as a second language, and I think you might have a winner!

      So.....Titan AE? Even had all the backstabbing and multiple side switching and whatnot.

      I thought it was a poke at Firefly.

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    4. Re:Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would go see Cowboys of the Caribbean.

      <warning: disturbing mental image> Brokeback on the Seven Seas? </warning>

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    5. Re:Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You guys do know that Joss Whedon wrote Titan AE as well as Firefly don't you?

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    6. Re:Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think that was called Peter Pan.

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    7. Re:Teenage _________ Ninja Turtles.... by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      No; please, let us forget Alien: Resurrection

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  12. TMNT: Mostly Sucks by busyqth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only good Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were the original B&W comics. Unfortunately I am old enough to have read them when they first appeared, but they were good.

    1. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But who thinks this is a GOOD idea? anyone? Bueller? I am starting to think that some of these "geniuses" are nothing but VERY lucky hacks. take George Lucas, did you know he wanted to make Indy 3 in a haunted house? or make C3P0 a slimy used car salesman in the original Star Wars? Or that Luke's original name was something like "Rex Starkiller"? I have a feeling these guys are just hacks that luck out in they get people to work with them that take the one or two good germs of ideas they have and get rid of all the schlock and shape it into something good. Problem is when Lucas became rich and famous he got rid of those that said 'That's a fucking stupid idea George" and replaced them with yes men and then you get The Phantom Menace.

      While I'm sure most here have seen them for the few that haven't watch the the Plinkett reviews and pay close attention to the looks on the faces of those around him during the behind the scenes. George will come up with some lame idea and they just smile or let out a really half ass fake laugh and you can see if you look at their eyes they are thinking "WTF? why isn't anyone saying anything? this is a joke, right? Are we being punked?" but nobody has the balls to say anything. I bet Bay is the same way, I bet he could announce that 'Here is the setup, the TMNT are created when Donald Trump gets exposed to radioactive lettuce which gives him a MASSIVE case of the runs and the shit travels through the pipes (which we'll follow with 3D camera work) where it lands in a sewer pipe on some pet store turtles that were flushed down a different crapper, its brilliant!" and everyone gets a queasy look and goes "Wow, that is a great idea Michael, you're the best!"

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    2. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's no skin off my nose.

      As long as no one straight jackets me and props my eyes open to watch it, I am OK with the fact that it might exist.

      It would suck to live in a world where someone could say "no" to economic activity for non-objective reasons... oh, maybe we are too late.

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    3. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by F34nor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the record for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." H.L. Mecken

    4. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by GaratNW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is idiocy as only someone like Michael Bay can imagine. Take a brand that has endured as long as it has, even if it's never had huge commercial success with the prime time market, and fuck it in the posterior so no new fans like it, and all the old fans want to nerd-rage murder him. This is brilliant.

      I'm so angry right now, I'm molting. I would wish an aneurysm on him, but frankly, he's clearly already brain dead.

    5. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by jjp9999 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Problem is when Lucas became rich and famous he got rid of those that said 'That's a fucking stupid idea George" and replaced them with yes men and then you get The Phantom Menace.

      * cue slow clap.

    6. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the record for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people." H.L. Mecken

      There have been other stories on Slashdot where this quote would be pithy and appropriate, but here - man, we're talking about people getting their panties in a bunch over CARTOON TURTLES!

      I'm not planning to go see this movie, but - CARTOON TURTLES!

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    7. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Michael Bay formula, explained.

      Step 1: Take franchise with loyal following.
      Step 2: Shit all over it.
      Step 3: Add CGI explosions.

      Bonus points if you make the camera work so fucking terrible (Transformers 2 is a great example of this) that NOBODY HAS ANY FUCKING CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON in anything resembling an action sequence.

    8. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by SteveFoerster · · Score: 3, Funny

      OMG! Ponies!

      Not far off, actually....

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    9. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by SomePgmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously he didn't live long enough to see what happened to Disney, and their brutal, $200 million loss on John Carter.

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/03/20/bloomberg_articlesM15FX36JTSE801-M1793.DTL

    10. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by blahplusplus · · Score: 2

      "The only good Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were the original B&W comics."

      And the videogames! I spent hours in the arcade and console playing that multiplayer. :P

    11. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by AgNO3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'M SORRY ESCORT WAGON, but really this is slashdot. If you aren't interested in being upset by things that like this then you have no place here. I bet you don't even live your parents basement do you? The Irony being that Slashdoitters (spelled like that on purpose) are usually complaining that they should be able to do what they want with IP. I guess unless its Turtles or Star Wars.

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    12. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Keep buying Apple products and we'll be there in no time.

    13. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Funny

      You must not have watched many Michael Bay movies.

      If you had, you'd understand that they don't just affect those watching, but have ripple effects that have been slowly eroding the fabric of space/time as we know it.

    14. Re:TMNT: Mostly Sucks by PhxBlue · · Score: 2

      * cue slow clap.

      Oh, good, that's still working. [/GLaDOS]

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  13. Michael Bay takes a shit, sets it on fire by gelfling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Calls it Transformers 4.

    1. Re:Michael Bay takes a shit, sets it on fire by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you meant...
      1. Michael Bay takes a shit
      2. Sets it on fire
      3. Calls it Transformers 4
      4. ???
      5. Profit. Mad, mad profit.

      Transformers 1 - budget: $150M, worldwide gross: $710M
      Transformers 2 - budget: $200M, worldwide gross: $836M
      Transformers 3 - budget: $195M, worldwide gross: $1123M

      The only reason he gets away with this stuff is because he's bringing in umpteen millions on his films so far.

      He may flop entirely with TMNT and consequently be pulled from ThunderCats, though. Hollywood can be fickle like that. But then they'll just find somebody else to screw that up :)

  14. New theme would need some work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So... Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles? Unless they are proud warriors who have grown to full maturity, and its not a joyride to earth... Then its Adult Alien Ninja Turtles! But wait! If they are not mutated from turtles, then they are not turtles. So maybe Adult Alien Ninja Humanoid-Herpetolicoid Beings! But if they learned their martial arts on another planet, then its only Ninja-esq... So the new theme is
     
      "Adult Alien Noble Martial Arts Weilding Humanoid-Herpetolicoid Beings,
      Adult Alien Noble Martial Arts Weilding Humanoid-Herpetolicoid Beings,
    Adult Alien Noble Martial Arts Weilding Humanoid-Herpetolicoid Beings,
      Heroes in a Half Shell,
      Alien power!
     
    They're the world's most fearsome fighting team (From Another World!)
    They're heroes in a half-shell and they're green (Hey - get a grip!)
    When the evil Shredder attacks
      These Aliens for some reason focusing on one small local crime lord when they have interplanetary travel don't cut him no slack!
     
    (Refrain)

     
      Just doesn't have the same ring as it used to...

  15. Re:Bay needs to... by b0r0din · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe years ago, but now Megan Fox's ass has probably had 15 surgeries and looks like it's made of plastic, much like the rest of her. I'll pass. Why the hell do naturally beautiful women feel the urge to completely destroy that??

    I'm not a psychologist, but I'm pretty sure it's because deep down most people have self-esteem issues and when they were in high school the only boys who approached them were the confident ones who 'negged' them and provided a level of mental abuse that they tolerated and even found attractive. And they never recovered from it.

    Add the regular rejection of Hollywood and it just gets even worse.

  16. Correction... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

    No word yet on whether he's consulting with George Lucas on how to rape people's childhoods.

    FTFY.

  17. Re:This is news? by wanzeo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reply to self:

    After some quick wikipedia, I realize that the cartoon I grew up loving in the late 80s was actually ripped from a comic book series I have never read. So I guess I prove my OP wrong. Some 12 year old kid could go see this movie, and it would forever represent the ninja turtles in their mind. Oh god, where is the art police when you need them?

  18. Re:This is news? by PRMan · · Score: 2

    And the comic is actually pretty good...

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  19. and then there's his next project by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next up, Bay takes on Wizard of Oz remake:

    "Flying monkeys with bombs. Lots of bombs. Wicked witch with machine gun on broom! Megan as Dorothy! Toto upgraded to pit bull. Shia LeBoeuf will ace it as the Tin Man with laser-eyeballs and missile-firing butthatch! Cowardly Lion now a Mexican political-asylum refugee who knows how to fight! The Straw Man now the Token Black Gay Teenage Computer Wizard in a wheelchair. With glasses. And braces. Eats HotPockets and Pepsi and Pringles while racing against time.

    Old plot bad, new plot good. Secret Oz government lab accidently released virus that mutates Munchkins into slobbering zombie vampires. Only Dorothy can save them because her blood has radical new antibodies. Witch nearly kills her, but sex with the Tin Man revives her. New totally unexpected ending not involving explosions!"

  20. Re:This is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah right.

    The guy just keeps resuscitating properties that have been long dead and buried, licensed for somewhere near the price of a six pack of Coors, and turning them into brands worth hundreds of millions of dollars again.

    We should all hope to "screw things up" like he does.

  21. Well, cool. by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    Michael Bay is single-handedly improving the economy, at least for me, by populating the theaters with movies I have no wish to see.

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  22. Re:Bay needs to... by hal2814 · · Score: 2

    We'll see no more Megan Fox ass. He's too busy showing us the Teenage Alien Intelligence Ninja Turtles.

  23. I can't wait for his remake of... by readandburn · · Score: 4, Funny

    My Dinner With Andre. In 3-D.

  24. Re:This is news? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Palladium roleplaying game was pretty awesome too

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  25. Re:This is by Moheeheeko · · Score: 2

    I am fully convinced that the sole reason for this fuckery is that there was not enough room for "Baysplosions" in the original plot, and space was the most likely setting.

  26. Re:Yes by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The rights-holders sold him the rights and he is free to do with them as he pleases.

    Yet we are for some reason not free to express our displeasure?

    Amen. I wasn't- and amn't- a major TMHT (*) fan (**), so I'm not massively upset personally. However, variants of the following stupid argument pop up on Slashdot all the time, namely that "it's a free market / free world therefore they're within their rights to do what they want with their thing / run their company how they like and you're free to not buy it and therefore you're not entitled to complain about it."

    All but the last bit in bold may be arguably legitimate- and standard- but for some reason people around here seem to think that because there's a free market and people have the right to make a free choice then they have no right to complain.

    Wrong. If "Fanboy Electronic Fashions" makes something I dislike or conducts their business in a manner I disagree with, yes, I don't have to buy it or do business with them (just as they're not obligated to pander to me). This fact *does not* disqualify me from criticising them anyway- whether I choose to buy their stuff or not- nor does it entitle them to protection from criticism. If I don't like the "uPhone" then "you don't have to buy it" doesn't stop me from criticising it, or encouraging others not to buy it- in fact, to believe otherwise pretty much implies you dislike free criticism of products (plus people who *had* bought it could similarly be dismissed with "well, you bought it anyway").

    (*) Teenage Mutant *Hero* Turtles, yes, I live in Britain and we got the BBC-approved title ;-)

    (**) Probably due to being just a bit too old for the cartoon when it first came out (early to mid teens), though I knew people in my class at school who liked it.

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  27. You know by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, I honestly don't give a crap about TMNT. Not at all. Never a fan. But this STILL MAKES ME SEETHE.

    Why the fuck can't Hollywood EVER GET ANYTHING RIGHT, EVER?

    It's like Bryan Singer admitting he never read comic books as a kid. So what do they do? Give him the X Men franchise to direct. Great thinking, guys. That's exactly what you want. Directors who never read the source material. Pilots that never read a flight manual. Doctors that never read a book on physiology. Truck drivers that never read the drivers code, driving on the wrong side of the streets. Perfect. And it's not uncommon. Same goes for Tim Burton, which perfectly explains Edward Bathands.

    But this time, I have to be impressed though. This time, the ignorance of Hollywood rings true a clear as a bell. You know right at the outset that this is going to absolutely suck. Some people like Mr. Singer and Mr. Burton admit to not knowing the source material. Mr. Bay has basically admitted that he hasn't even read the fucking title. Because it's Mutant turtles, not Alien turtles as others have correctly noted. A new low, even for Hollywood.

    Why the fuck do they keep hiring these people? A total fucking stranger they pick randomly off the streets could do better. They certainly couldn't know less about the topic. You can only go up.

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    1. Re:You know by pjtp · · Score: 2

      Why the fuck do they keep hiring these people?

      Because they make money. That is all the film studios care about. They don't give a shit about the source material, they just want to use the brand name to make money.

      While you and I rage about Hollywood making endless piles of shit, there are a whole pile of people out there who just don't give a fuck and will spend money on this utter shite. Hell, they will spend a premium just to watch it in 3D!

      I wish there were a way to educate those people, but they're proven time and time again that they can't be educated.

  28. Re:Bay needs to... by rampant+mac · · Score: 5, Funny

    "but now Megan Fox's ass has probably had 15 surgeries and looks like it's made of plastic, much like the rest of her. I'll pass."

    She's obviously way below your standards, with her sharp knees and all. We can't all be lucky enough like you to have had Natalie Portman pour hot grits into our underwear.

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  29. Re:Who cares? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone seems to be freaking out about this. But who cares? Anyone under 25 doesn't know what TMNT is and anyone over 25 doesn't give a shit, because it's fucking TMNT and we're fucking adults.

    I'm the submitter, and I care. Coincidentally, I am 25 :)

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  30. Re:This is news? by keytoe · · Score: 2

    The Palladium roleplaying game was pretty awesome too

    Completely agreed on that one.

    It was GURPS based, so somewhat interchangeable with other systems. Not exactly a hard core RPG since it was pretty easy to cheese out an overpowered character, but my group found it a refreshing change of pace to our long running D&D campaign.

    You could slap together a hack and slash, come up with some crazy mutations and skills for your new characters and charge through in a night. Half the fun was rolling characters, so we tended to run one-off scenarios.

    Also, the comics are edgy and fun - more so than the cartoon.

  31. Re:This is by mug+funky · · Score: 2

    yeah! Uwe Boll must be stopped!

  32. Re:Bay needs to... by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real reason is society at large. The problems facing actresses are no different than the average girl. The key differences are that, a) actresses are pushed even more aggressively into conforming to a certain aesthetic; and b) the have the income to be able to act on it.

    The guys in high school were douchebags and as such their mentality easily dismissed. The problem is that they were equally affect by social norms and thus were simply repeating what society at large expects of these girls.

    Hence the expectation that women should look like surgically augmented toothpicks. The real problems are always a lot more subtle than people believe.

  33. Re:Oh No! by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative
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  34. Remake TMNT As Aliens? by idbeholda · · Score: 2

    I would think Ridley Scott has the final say in that.

  35. I didn't say it, but i still think it's true by Daetrin · · Score: 2

    From Topless Robot: "Okay, I'm getting a little pedantic here, but the fact remains that by making the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles aliens, Bay is needlessly changing one of the core components of the series -- one of their three fundamental adjectives, one might say -- for no discernible reason or benefit whatsoever. You know, I used to think that Bay was just an immensely successful idiot, but honestly, now I think he's our nerd satan. Here we are, enjoying Game of Thrones and the Avengers movie and unparalleled nerd art and prestige, and Bay is the Anti-Nerd, the serpent in our paradise, the one who will stop at nothing until all nerd goodness is ruined with aliens and pissing and balls and humping dogs and steaming piles of shit. Seriously, Michael Bay is the Nerd Devil"

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  36. Re:Bay needs to... by masmullin · · Score: 2

    Im glad you feel this way... One less competitor for that sweet sweet rump.

  37. Re:Awful by TheLink · · Score: 2

    Doesn't matter if there are no original ideas.

    The problem in this case Bay's "original idea" is changing the turtles to aliens. I'm not a fan but I don't see why it's necessary or beneficial to do so. Especially when the title itself has the word "Mutant" and "Turtles".

    The whole point of milking a franchise is to actually milk it. How does changing the foundation of the brand name help milk it more?

    That said if it actually does well then the fans and people are saying keep screwing me. I won't be surprised if that happens since G W Bush was re-elected.

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  38. Chill, it's a reboot. by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    weren't you here for the Startrek reboot? That what reboot means, take something that people like and totally screw it up for your own ego trip. That way you can make a totally mediocre movie and still expect good box office take from the fanboys that go just because of the name.

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    1. Re:Chill, it's a reboot. by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that the Star Trek reboot was still taking place in space, with space ships, on a trek, if you will...

      If you take Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and make them aliens instead, you kind of just ditched half the title right there; they're no longer mutants, or turtles. For that matter, they may not qualify as teenagers, and can an alien really be a ninja?

      If you take TMNT and change enough so that none of those letters can apply anymore, is it still TMNT?

    2. Re:Chill, it's a reboot. by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good question. Arthur C. Clarke wrote 'any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'. You're basically asking does 'any sufficiently alien being is indistinguishable from a teenage mutant ninja turtle' hold? Is TMNT only in the eye of the beholder?

    3. Re:Chill, it's a reboot. by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      Technically, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were never actually Ninjas. As we should all know from biology class, turtles are not mammals. And one of the few established facts about ninjas is that they are mammals.

      Source: www.realultimatepower.net

  39. Re:Bay needs to... by misexistentialist · · Score: 2, Informative

    Someone getting paid millions of dollars should damn well look ideal. If there is a problem with society it's the conservatism that keeps grannies like Megan Fox around instead of giving new talent a chance to fulfill their potential.

  40. Re:Who cares? by foniksonik · · Score: 2

    I'm 34 and TMNT was a Darkhorse Comic by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird. It was black and white ink and the titles were fucked up psychopaths out for revenge (and pizza, granted). They cussed up and down, cut down anyone in their path and lay waste to entire rooms of people with blood spray like a Kill Bill movie.

    Then they cashed out to Archie and I stopped caring.

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  41. From a scifi perspective, STXI sucked. by master_p · · Score: 3, Informative

    TOS was an exceptionally good scifi series, when it comes to televised scifi. In 1966, when computers at home, mobile telephony, tablets, etc were unheard of, and when most of the world did not even have television, there comes a show that;

    -shows people working on computer screens, by touching them.
    -have mobile communicators.
    -people work on a computer network
    -computer accepting voice commands

    Let's also not forget warp drive, teleportation, antigravity, and the first ever interracial kiss on TV.

    That was groundbreaking, wasn't it?

    Fast forward 40 years later, and much of what ST showed has been implemented in one form or another. We have networked computers, mobile computers, communicators, tablets, and interacial relationships are aplenty every day on TV.

    So, what this new movie offers us over the old one, from a scifi perspective? nothing at all.

    Not only that, but as an action movie, it is rather lame. The plot holes are as big as Kirk's ego, and all the consistence the old universe had had gone out of the window.

    To me, that means one thing only: it was a bad movie.

    Did it make a huge profit? yes, it did. But that does not mean anything. The movie audience has been brainwashed with so many bad movies the last 20 years, that they do not know what a good movie is any more. They will watch any shit thrown at them, if they get their entertainment fix. The general audience watches Big Brother, America's Most Wanted and every MTV teenage trash series. For them, STXI may have been even intellectual, but that does not mean it was a good film.

    1. Re:From a scifi perspective, STXI sucked. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      A few other things that were groundbreaking in Star Trek:

      • A (black!) female officer as a member of the bridge crew.
      • A Russian officer, at the height of the cold war (okay, a lot of the writers used him as comic relief, but even so...)
      • An intelligent asian who was an expert in a European sword fighting style (asian actors at the time were mostly comic relief, eastern martial artists - as Sulu was in the 2009 film, or other stereotypes in US TV)

      It wasn't just portraying technical developments in the future, it was portraying social changes. In the 2009 films, Sulu fought with a katana in a Japanese style, Kirk was a frat boy, Spock was a geek, and, aside from the space ships, it could easily have been set in the USA today.

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    2. Re:From a scifi perspective, STXI sucked. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Moon (2009)

  42. Re:Oh No! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've read it, but sadly the additions didn't live up to the quality of the rest. I laughed a lot while reading it, but mostly during the parts that were in the original. The dojo scene with Lady Catherine was entertaining, but most of the other new parts just left me wanting to skip on to the end of them. It seemed like a waste of a good concept. I keep meaning to pick up some of the others in the series and see if they were better executed.

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  43. Let me guess... by chinton · · Score: 2

    They're from the planet Zeist.