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Verizon Says Hactivists Now Biggest Corporate Net Threat

alphadogg writes "Hactivists — not cybercriminals — were responsible for the majority of personal data stolen from corporate and government networks during 2011, according to a new report from Verizon. The Verizon 2012 Data Breach Investigation Report found that 58% of data stolen in 2011 was the result of hactivism, which involves computer break-ins for political rather than commercial gain. In previous years, most hacking was carried out by criminals, Verizon said. Altogether, Verizon examined 855 cybersecurity incidents worldwide that involved 174 million compromised records. This is the largest data set that Verizon has ever examined, thanks to its cooperation with law enforcement groups including the U.S. Secret Service, the Dutch National High Tech Crime Unit and police forces from Australia, Ireland and London."

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  1. Welcome in the real world by aglider · · Score: 5, Insightful

    where you need real technicians!

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    1. Re:Welcome in the real world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep. Security measures should be valid regardless of the motivation of the attackers. Unless of course you can get to shoot the attackers, in which case it really does matter they're activists.

    2. Re:Welcome in the real world by Bengie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most companies have coasted by with bad security practices, now they have to up their game. Boo f'n hoo.

      CEOs tell us "sucks to be you, suck it up" when it comes to their monopolies. I say the same thing back at them. Actually employee decent programmer, engineers, admins, and managers. Quality > Quantity?!

    3. Re:Welcome in the real world by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The trend over the last 10 years in software development has been labor minimization, offshoring, "just meet the specs" mentality.

      Now a lot of companies are getting bitten in the rear in return for the supposed "savings" they realized over the years. Think your $1500 a year software engineers in Bangalore are going to be able to handle this...? Communication is difficult with them even when you have well defined specs - let alone when the engineer needs to be aware of current events and think of unspecified scenarios themselves.

      I think a lot of corporations are going to find out that IT staff is not dispensable in the way that, say, payroll staff became in the 1990s.

    4. Re:Welcome in the real world by dachshund · · Score: 1

      It's not just bad corporate policies. It's the entire commercial security industry as well:

      http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/03/why-antisec-matters.html

  2. Hactivists == cybercriminals by jcaldwel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone stealing personal data is a "cybercriminal". Sounds like they are playing with words.

    1. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Criminal. People who stick "cyber" in front of things because the innerwebs are involved need to be slapped.

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    2. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by 0racle · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They're separating out based on motivation.

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    3. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone stealing personal data is a "cybercriminal". Sounds like they are playing with words.

      Not from the perspective of the larger companies/governments.
      While the actual action is similiar enough the result is vastly different.
      The main objective for a "cybercriminal" is to steal customer information. The end result is that the customer gets screwed over and the company gets some bad publicity that they have to deal with.
      Hacktivists on the other hand tends to look for indications that the company/government does anything illegal. This causes damage that isn't as easily passed down on the taxpayer/customer.
      I expect that we will see better security for servers and harder punishments for "cybercrime" soon.

    4. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Experiment+626 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. It's weird how the article tries to spin them as separate things. "Most cybercrime now politically motivated" would have made for a more accurate headline.

    5. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by jcaldwel · · Score: 2

      They're separating out based on motivation.

      I saw that... and that IS playing with words. In this case, a criminal is a criminal regardless of motivation.

    6. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Surely you mean cyberslap them. Cyberhard, right into cyberteeth.

    7. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes they are both motivated by making a lot of money. It is just that one group comes up with a lame excuse that makes it seem like they are fighting for the little guy like a robin hood... Except for the fact they are stealing form everyone and giving to themselves.

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    8. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As others have said, the distinction is motive.

      There is also a distinction in the damages.

      If I steal a million debit card numbers for greed, I'm going to try to cover my tracks and exploit the cards for profit. There will be tens of thousands of individuals who will suffer direct financial harm as I drain their bank accounts. Even those "made whole" by the banks will still suffer embarrassment. Their banks are also victims. Only when it is traced to the company I stole the data from do they realize they are a victim.

      If I do it for lulz, like "The Joker" on Batman, there's no telling who will be the immediate victim. Will I publicize it to embarrass the banks? Will I order adult-novelty products on the credit cards and send them to the card-owners and watch the fallout on national TV? Who knows.

      If I do it as an "activist" I'm probably only interested in hurting the company, not the cardholders. Yes, the cardholders will suffer collateral emotional damage and some will spend time or money trying to protect themselves in case I'm also motivated by greed, but the intended victim is the company I stole the data from.

      Of course, I may be targeting a third party such as a security vendor by directly attacking its corporate customers, or I may attack a government by attacking those who support it. But in each case, the owners of the bank card numbers I steal aren't going to have their bank accounts drained. Unless of course I have a little greed or I'm careless and let the numbers fall into the hands of someone who is greedy.

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    9. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Endo13 · · Score: 2

      But aside from all of that, how the hell do they even know exactly what the motivation was? Just because the intruder said so? Just because nothing bad happened immediately?

      BTW, does anyone have the contact number of the people who made this determination? I have a really nice bridge I'd like to sell them.

      Much as I like the idea of cyber Robin Hoods, you still gotta call them what they are.

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    10. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by 0racle · · Score: 2

      I'm not saying they're not, but the distinction is important for the targets. A course of 'Stop being a dick' might be enough to stop being a target of this group of people.

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    11. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Bengie · · Score: 1

      But the motivation determines if it is a crime in the first place.

      Kill someone with malice, got to prison, kill someone in self defense, no prob.

    12. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by jcaldwel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But the motivation determines if it is a crime in the first place.

      Kill someone with malice, got to prison, kill someone in self defense, no prob.

      I don't think this article was talking about homicide.
      What motivation would make it legal to hack a government or corporate system and stealing personal data?

    13. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      I think you may have a couple wires crossed here. It isn't that the media wants you to believe that "Activists" are purely good.

      "Good" activists are either venerated and deified or if their cause really wasn't attractive to the people who came after them they are passively forgotten.

      "Bad" activists end up as either "heads on the pike" and become a symbol of what we tell our children to actively seek and stop or they are actively forgotten; basically the cultural version of burning the body and scattering their ashes in the wind. There is a reason you never see Luigi Galleani used as a pop culture reference even though he was infamous at the time.

      It isn't that there aren't bad activists, we just don't talk about them in polite society.

    14. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Grumbleduke · · Score: 1

      But in that case the intention/motivation/circumstances make a difference between being a criminal and not. In this case, both groups are criminals, the intention is irrelevant... at least, under English law, which is all I really know anything about.

      The BBC's headline was particularly silly in this regard: "Data theft: Hacktivists 'steal more than criminals'" - as the BBC of all news groups should have someone available to point out that it's not stealing, and that hacktivists are criminals.

      Of course, the whole story is rather silly as it seems to be based only on reported data breaches; presumably a hactivist breach is more likely to be noticed/reported than someone breaking in to take data for unlawful uses. They're more likely to want to keep the breach quiet so they can keep doing what they do.

    15. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      The kind where the hacktivist is exposing a tie between a government or corporate system and blood diamonds or oppressive regimes?

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    16. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by garrettg84 · · Score: 1

      You meant your cyberpixels, right?

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    17. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      So basically, LIES, DAMN LIES!

      ,and statistics.

      I could go to homeless shelter. Ask every person there if they are homeless. Then post my statistics that homelessness has reached 100%. In microscopic print I "might" add "at homeless shelters".

      What's funny is when political pollsters pull these pranks and still only manage to scrounge up forty percent and change support for their candidate.

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    18. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It's weird how the article tries to spin them as separate things. "Most cybercrime now politically motivated" would have made for a more accurate headline.

      One important differnce is that the "hackitivists" will tell you they did it as shaming the target is generally part of the plan. Real for-profit criminals will keep their mouths shut because they would like to do it again and not talking about it helps with that.

      So, in and of itself, I think that's going to skew the numbers because what is really under discussion here are the number of cases of detected attacks, not total attacks.

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    19. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by davidwr · · Score: 1

      sobu or whatever his name is from anonymous rang up $70k in stolen CC charges. activist or criminal?

      I assume you mean hactivist or greed-motivated (whether criminal or not is a matter for the courts to decide).

      Possibly both?

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    20. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by Peristaltic · · Score: 2

      Yes, the cardholders will suffer collateral emotional damage and some will spend time or money trying to protect themselves in case I'm also motivated by greed, but the intended victim is the company I stole the data from.

      You mention "collateral damage" so casually.

      Collateral damage to innocents is usually vilified by the /. crowd when it comes about by the actions of corporations and governments/military/police, yet when a "distinction" is made for "activists" of some sort, suddenly it's not as bad, because "the intended victim is the company I stole the data from".

      Bullshit. If someone is hell-bent on tilting at some windmill... sure, a villain to them, but maybe not so much to an otherwise innocent bystander... and they hurt innocent bystanders- and they do not take the responsibility to try to make that bystander whole again, they are no different than any other entity that hurts innocents while pursuing its own agenda.

      If I'm hurt or If my property is stolen by a corrupt government or an activist, each pursuing their own agenda (that I'm not a part of) under whatever rationalization to which they subscribe, it's all the same to me if I'm still in the hole at the end of the day, figuratively or literally.

      Too many people believe that if they agree with some agenda, it's suddenly okay to hurt someone else (that's not involved) while pursuing it- without taking responsibility for their actions. If I'm not involved, and you hurt me in the pursuit of your goal without trying to make it right, I do not give a shit what your cause is- You are my Enemy.

    21. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by I+Read+Good · · Score: 1

      I think you'd be legally motivated if, say, John Travolta was holding a gun to your head, and you were simultaneously being sexually assaulted, and the only way to escape the situation would be to comply and hack the system. Oh! and, of course, you'd be timed to prevent you from contemplating the legal and ethical ramifications of your actions. I think any reasonable judge/jury would let it slide.

    22. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Neither is legal. However, there is a big difference in consequence between the two groups, if a "cybercriminal" uses the information to raid my bank account whereas a "hactivist" does not.

    23. Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Two words...civil disobedience

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  3. Which is then used for criminal activity by captaindomon · · Score: 1

    How much of the "Hacktivist" data that is stolen is then turned over and used for criminal activity? Does it matter why it was stolen, if the result is the same?

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    1. Re:Which is then used for criminal activity by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Depends. If the hacktivists make the hack public and hence I know about my CC being stolen before it can be abused, I can react. Plus, my bank has no way to play dumb and pretend it was my fault that my CC number got abused.

      So yes, the average hacktivist is less of a threat to me than the average for-profit hacker.

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    2. Re:Which is then used for criminal activity by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      usually the data was available for criminal activity already.

      hactivists just tend to publish their exploits on the high seas and share their plunder. usually that means that the hole gets plugged.

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  4. Bad analysis by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The truth is that hactivisism alone is not a sufficient cause of corporate data breaches. A variety of issues come into play: corporate laxity in IT, a preference for fast deployment of services over careful security scrutiny, absence of strong legal consequences against corporations for permitting data breaches, programming languages/environments that make it easy to deploy vulnerable services, lack of fine-grained data permissions at the hardware/network/OS level, etc.

    Remove any one of those factors, and the rate of data breaches would likely go down significantly. I'm not sure where Verizon gets off picking just one of them.

    1. Re:Bad analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where Verizon gets off picking just one of them.

      Probably because all of the other things you mentioned are a pain for Verizon. They'd have to implement more stringent IT practices, defer speed and convenience for security, abide by new laws and generally put more effort into how they handle data. But Hactivism? No, that's the result of Other People doing Naughty Things, so don't look at us. Preventing this sort of thing is the FBI's problem, not ours. When we lose customer data it's all the fault of the hactivists doing things they shouldn't, nothing to do with us...

    2. Re:Bad analysis by bws111 · · Score: 1

      None of the things you listed are 'causes' of data breaches. They are things that can be tightened up to help prevent breaches, but they are in no way causes. The cause, in nearly every case, is someone trying to get at something they have no right to.

  5. Well gee... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe I'd have an ounce of sympathy if Verizon (or any ISP/phone company) didn't constantly fuck over their customers.
    What goes around comes around...

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    1. Re:Well gee... by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We shouldn't support criminals just because they target people we don't like. Effectively that is saying that rights and protection should be applied only to those we favor in a given moment.

      And in some of these cases, passwords, credit cards and personal data was leaked publicly. So the customers are the ones suffering more than companies like Verizon.

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    2. Re:Well gee... by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

      We shouldn't support criminals just because they target people we don't like.

      Exactly. That's why Robin Hood is unpopular and almost no one knows about him now and why he was universally hated in his own time.

    3. Re:Well gee... by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Before Robin Hood you had financial inequality. Then Robin Hood robs from the rich to give to the poor. This provokes the ruling class, and in the end a lot of people die. Clearly this is a fine example of how criminal activity made people's lives better.

      In most variations of the story, King Richard eventually comes home from the Crusades and resumes his just rule, which he would have done regardless. All Robin Hood did was get a lot of poor people killed.

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    4. Re:Well gee... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

      It's a bit harsher than I would have put it, but this. Exactly this.

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    5. Re:Well gee... by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I'm not applying the story of Robin Hood to a larger scale. The poster above me did. I'm examining Robin Hood as a specific case.

      In that case, Robin Hood was not needed to remove an unjust government as King Richard was coming home either way. The end result is that Robin Hood got a lot of people killed. If he hadn't done anything, people would have been better off eventually.

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    6. Re:Well gee... by grimarr · · Score: 1

      Agreed. And one of the ways they do this is by showing a severe lack of concern for their customers' security. For example, as far as I can find, there is no way to log on to the Verizon.com web site from a HTTPS: page. There used to be, but they removed it. Maybe they should evaluate their own security....

  6. #1 threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe the number one threat is acting like a douche. How many large, successful companies are targetted when they don't act like that? Hey Sony, get a clue.

    1. Re:#1 threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Having morality on the internet ruled by a fickle, faceless, and amoral mob is a dangerous state of things even if the only people they're attacking right now are ones you personally consider to be bad guys.

    2. Re:#1 threat by GaratNW · · Score: 1

      In other news, hacktivists state that modern media corporations are the biggest threat to personal liberty and freedom in the last 100 years!

      Annnddd... they're not very wrong.

    3. Re:#1 threat by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      Every fucking one of them is targeted. Ask any CISO what keeps them up at night.

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  7. Crime is crime by rbowen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a really dangerous distinction. Crime is crime. Politically motivated crime is - what? Terrorism? I don't like where this is going.

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    1. Re:Crime is crime by LordNimon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point is that hacktivism occurs mostly because of unethical behavior of the target companies, not because they have generally weak security or valuable data. Therefore, companies can avoid being targets of hacktivism more by avoiding unethical behavior, rather than spending millions to beef up their security.

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    2. Re:Crime is crime by KraxxxZ01 · · Score: 1

      Hundred years ago in UK homosexuality was a crime. Following your logic, someone who would pose as gay for political reasons would be a terrorist. As long as data stolen is shared for free, as it was, I don't see hactivists as criminals.

    3. Re:Crime is crime by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It's only terrorism if you lose.

    4. Re:Crime is crime by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      No justice quite like angry mob justice!

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    5. Re:Crime is crime by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      This might be so in certain cases and not in others. I would say some go after any company that is large. In fact Verizon has so many people working for them, there is no way customer relations and going to be good. Maybe they ought to hire more people that actually know what they are doing and much less that don't.

    6. Re:Crime is crime by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I think the point is that hacktivism occurs mostly because of unethical behavior of the target companies, not because they have generally weak security or valuable data. Therefore, companies can avoid being targets of hacktivism more by avoiding unethical behavior, rather than spending millions to beef up their security.

      you know that's mostly bullshit. besides, doesn't help that it's unethical to have your customer records easily accessible by spammers and when exploits are carpet bombed over ip ranges.. it's just shit luck. of course if you have unethical operation going on then it's more likely there's something juicy there. they should try to be reasonably secure regardless, it doesn't have to cost millions.

      hacktivism occurs mostly because it can. and it gets noticed because hacktivists want that. thus, it's easier to get datasets about hacktivist cases than about cases where the hackers don't publish what they found. big whoopi doo. in fact, if the attackers don't publish then it's very unlikely the victim will even admit.

      on more important note WHAT THE FUCK FOR DOES VERIZON TECHIE EXPERTS GET ACCESS TO EXAMINE MILLIONS OF HACKED DATA ENTRIES? whaaat the fuck? verizon? of all fucking possible things _them_? what the fuck, really, when did verizon became a subsidiary of the interpol with a data breach response team?

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    7. Re:Crime is crime by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

      Civil disobedience (a form of activism) is also a crime, yet often we hold people who do it in high regard. Sometimes civil disobedience is acclaimed moral courage.

      Now I'm not saying we can group hacktivism in with civil disobedience. But in many cases I don't think that it would be a stretch.

      The issue of of motive is critical. When we speak of criminals we usually mean people who did something illegal for personal gain at the expense of another. But if someone did something illegal in defense of the common good would you still call them criminals even if technically the term still applies? I think not.

      The distinction is dangerous, but so long as there are differences between what is legally right and what is morally right, it is one society is going to face over and over.

  8. And 20 years ago... by davidwr · · Score: 1

    ... most data was probably stolen for the lulz.

    My how times have changed.

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  9. Good practices by basotl · · Score: 1

    Good security practices will protect from either threat. It doesn’t really matter the vector in this case.

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  10. Activism is more visible by Hentes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you are hacked by an activist, they will make sure that you and the rest of the world know about it. Criminals, on the other hand, try to be as subtle as possible. Some victims might not even realize that they have been breached, and even if they do it's much easier to cover up. I don't think activism surpasses crime, it's just much more visible.

    1. Re:Activism is more visible by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but even when the companies realize they were hacked, they are also very likely to cover it up instead of anounce they had a breech. When anouncing the crime is harmful to both the criminal, and the holders of the evidence, things tend to not be reported.

  11. Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Hacktavists" are just a highly visible boogeyman. Useful for scaring white people that watch network news and the politicians that cull their votes.

    Visible, but hardly a blip compared to the massive spam, fraud, phishing, trojan, and malware ops that the real blackhats run. These things are complex and deep and ever present, so they're useless for scaremongers.

    Want a real data set that will turn up evidence of massive economic fraud? Get ahold of Verizon's billing data.

  12. Easy to protect against by Kidbro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, good thing then, that it's easy to protect yourself against hacktivists. Just stop being dicks.

    1. Re:Easy to protect against by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Telling a manager to stop being a dick is like telling a techie to wear tie and suit. It just won't happen in this universe.

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    2. Re:Easy to protect against by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      A big problem with that. That's in the eye of the beholder.

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    3. Re:Easy to protect against by Kidbro · · Score: 1

      Of course. So is crime. Thus we form a consensus to decide what is and what is not a crime - but it is nontheless "in the eye of the beholder".
      Hacktivists act because they feel that the laws, for whatever reason, are either unjust, insufficient or not thoroughly enforced. It is the means they have available - others have other means open to them, such as bribing/tricking law makers to make absurd laws, or governments to invade other countries on false premises. I have a hard time arguing that the former are more morally corrupt than the later.

      Truth to tell, I can't think of a single recent (recent, being the past several years, at least) target of a "hacktivist attack" that wasn't, well a dick, and didn't have it coming. I'm generally not much for vigilantism, but hacktivism is not particularly harmful, and the targets tend to be deserving.

      Heh - I just noticed your .sig... it's interesting to see someone defend war of all thing, and then go righteously pedantic over DDoS and stolen e-mails :-)

    4. Re:Easy to protect against by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      My sig isn't pro-war. It's anti-being relexifively anti-war.

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  13. Wait, hold on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So people who breach poorly executed and even more poorly planned security are the greatest threat to security on the net? Methinks it's the corporations who would rather spend more on propaganda than proper security that are the problem here, the "hacktivists" just point it out.

  14. A cow's opinion by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

    How can you know 100% of the time what the motivation is? Haven't you ever seen Die Hard?

  15. No way is Verizon the Biggest Corporate Threat. by Are+You+Kidding · · Score: 1

    (Did I misread the headline?) Monsanto, Unocal, Dow Chemical, and Goldman Sachs are a far greater threat to human existence. When it comes to Evil, Verizon is merely an annoyance.

  16. Hactivists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Verizon Says [crappy internal security] Now Biggest Corporate Net Threat

    There.. I fixed it for you.

  17. You can't legislate ethics by tacokill · · Score: 1

    The company's aren't anymore responsible for this hacktivism crime than my dog. Your attempt to paint some culpability upon them is a laughable. All you are doing is trying to rationalize criminal behavior under the guise of "they deserved it" (according to you).

    What is ethical and what is legal are very different things. Companies are really only required to follow what is legal. However, it is normally in their best interests to act ethically as well -- but we don't require, as a matter of law, people or companies to act ethically. ie: we don't throw people in jail for acting unethically. We throw them in jail for acting illegally.

    Your attempt to confuse the two topics seriously discredits your post because it has no meaning. It's like calling for a war against jealousy....

  18. or actually, the BIGGEST corporate net threat by mallydobb · · Score: 1

    is actually unsecured and improperly managed networks run by corporations that collection too much information on us. There, fixed that...

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  19. Re:And how are they not criminals? by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Easier definition:

    Terrorist: Someone who doesn't agree with you, wants to go to war with you but lacks the funds for a big enough army to actually call it a war.

    Criminal: Someone who does something against the interests of society but lacks the money to change the laws accordingly, or someone who does something against the interests of those that have the money to change the laws.

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  20. there, corrected that for you by HWguy · · Score: 1

    Hacktivists Say Verizon Now Biggest Corporate Net Threat

  21. Re:No, its not the biggest threat by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The very same federal government that can't figure out a conversation between two RPG players planning a raid in a game of cyberpunk not being real, despite the weapons being mentioned being invented in 2018?

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  22. Re:Bad nomenclature is bad by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

    Fun science fact: the word "cracktivism" sounds even sillier than "hacktivism."

    That being said, the label "hacktivist" has only been applied thus far to groups like LulzSec who trespass on others' computers to make a point; the others are just tech-savvy activists. I'm afraid your hopeful alternative is just a unicorn.

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  23. Re:Verizon is credible???? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed... especially in this case.
    Think about how the data was generated: the data comes from reported incidents of network compromise.

    EVERY hacktivist compromise will be reported by the victim, as the hactivist group has already reported it and they have a responsibility to disclose such things.

    I'd bet that most intrusions and data extractions conducted by other groups (organized crime, government special ops, industrial espionage) are never reported to Verizon, therefore they wouldn't show up in the statistics. For that matter, most of these intrusions likely go completely unnoticed. Considering we've just been finding out in the last year about intrusions that have been ongoing for TEN YEARS, who's to say how many like these are still in the "unreported" category?

    Without all the rhetoric, Verizon's study is really saying that intrusions reported for political reasons are more highly reported than those that both the intruder and the victim have no desire to make public. Any other conclusions involve too much conjecture (on the same level as the RIAA losing billions to piracy) unless more data is provided.

  24. It's pretty much the same. by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

    Hacktivists are motivated by politics which is motivated by money. So I don't see the difference. I wonder what Google's figures are?

  25. Re:No, its not the biggest threat by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Incompetence does not have to equate to threat level.

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  26. hacktivists == cybercriminals by noh8rz3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there's a difference between hacktivists and cybercriminals? sounds like a false distinction to me.

    1. Re:hacktivists == cybercriminals by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      there's a difference between hacktivists and cybercriminals? sounds like a false distinction to me.

      I think it is meant to distinguish between motives. Cybercriminals are doing it to make money. Hacktivists are doing it because they are pissed off.

    2. Re:hacktivists == cybercriminals by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I think the distinction here is one of ego. Criminals are just seeking to masquerade their activity behind an illusion of activism. Rather than being seen as petty criminals they want to be seen as activist.

      Right now the government is blatantly letting that lie slide on through, is a slimy shit eating way of making political protest criminal.

      Truth here is the bulk of computer hacking is done by;
      petty criminals, including spammers, credit fraud (no such thing as identity theft, just a corporate lie to shift the debt burden from companies who illegally accepted false credit details onto innocent third parties),
      Foreign intelligence services,
      Privacy invasive script kiddies (people suffering identity issues seeking power by prying into other people's lives and in the mind of the script kiddy gaining control over those people's lives),
      Hacktivism comes in way, way down the list.

      Of course the push is on to criminalise all protest, to turn free speech advocates into terrorists, in the big grab for power by 20 century mass media corporations in their endless drive to push one lie after another, for the corporations over individuals internet, where over every man woman and child on the planet, is monitored, censored and controlled 24/7/365, excluding the psychopath elite of course.

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  27. Takes one to know one, I guess by Tommy+Bologna · · Score: 1

    Is this the same Verizon who has been helping the NSA with warrantless wiretaps -- that is to say helping the gov't steal personal data in real time?

  28. Sony - probably skewed the results by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    Considering the largest breach of 2011 happened to be Sony (started with Playstation Network, spread through to other Sony sites), it's hard to tell if this is the case. After all, Anonymous and Lulzsec kept breaking into other Sony sites All in all, Sony lost probably close to 150M customer records....

    I would call that hackivism since it was meant more to embarass Sony over their lack of security.

  29. They might be criminal, but they are NOT threat by coder111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I consider corporations like RIAA & MPAA, BSA, and politicians lobbied by corporations to legislate censorship, spying & restrictions of internet usage the biggest threat to internet. Patents & restrictions on writing software are a close second.

    When downloading or uploading information or cracking copy protection can ruin your life worse than committing grand theft or murder, I consider that action immoral and unjust. And I will consider any corporation supporting & pushing this kind of legislation a valid target.

    While I agree that unlawful implies criminal, lawful doesn't necessarily mean right, and unlawful doesn't necessarily mean wrong. These days the laws are broken mess, and even when they aren't only the rich can afford to defend themselves, rendering justice system broken.

    --Coder

    1. Re:They might be criminal, but they are NOT threat by Enderandrew · · Score: 2

      Do you remember the Oklahoma City bombing?

      The terrorists in question disagreed with the federal government. They felt that the only way to enact change was to break the law. So they murdered innocent civilians, including toddlers in the daycare.

      The families of the victims were unhappy with the federal government and how the death penalty was applied in federal cases. So they wrote a law. They traveled to Washington D.C. and testified before Congress. They got their law passed less than a year after the attacks.

      Being unhappy with a system doesn't mean criminal activity is justified when you can legally make changes within the system. I was extremely unhappy with SOPA and PIPA. I spoke to my representatives. Lee Terry here in Nebraska was a co-sponsor of SOPA. After people like me explained our concerns to him, he removed his support for it. I didn't have to commit a crime just because I was unhappy with a situation.

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    2. Re:They might be criminal, but they are NOT threat by Que914 · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!

      In theory laws are a tool to facilitate justice, and many of our rulers have abandoned that principal so long ago that now they're even abandoning the illusion. To quote Frederic Bastiat: "The safest way to make laws respected is to make them respectable. When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." While I'd rather not have to choose, I'm far more comfortable retaining my sense of morality.

    3. Re:They might be criminal, but they are NOT threat by artor3 · · Score: 1

      Pro-lifers consider abortions to be "immoral and unjust". Indeed, from their point of view, abortions are equivalent to the murder of over a million infants every year, which (if they were right) I'm sure you would agree is much worse than a billion dollar fine for downloading an MP3. So by your logic, they are completely justified in treating abortion doctors and clinics as "valid targets".

      If you think only people you agree with deserve the protection of law, then you are far worse than any of the villains you rail against.

    4. Re:They might be criminal, but they are NOT threat by coder111 · · Score: 1

      Um, Rosa Parks, Gandhi, Founding Fathers all broke the law as well. See how that turned out.

      And I don't have the ability to make changes within the system. I'm not an American nor am I living in USA, but laws dictated by US corporations get pushed down our throats all the time. Even if I were, lobbying & greed would triumph most of the time anyway.

      --Coder

    5. Re:They might be criminal, but they are NOT threat by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      You'll note that people like Rosa Parks didn't victimize others in her peaceful protest because she didn't have civil rights.

      Stealing credit card info and releasing it publicly because you don't like a company isn't the same. Don't for a moment pretend they are.

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  30. How reliable is this data? by __aailob1448 · · Score: 2

    hacktivists, by definition, will publicize their break-ins so you can be sure they will be counted.

    Common thieves and governmental spies (chinese, russians, etc.) on the other hand, might never be discovered if their level of competence is superior to that of the security administrators of a company.

    Therefore, the statistics offered are very dubious and I would not be surprised if they are completely and spectacularly wrong.

  31. "Hactivists" aren't criminals? by Frenzied+Apathy · · Score: 1

    ... was the result of hactivism, which involves computer break-ins for political rather than commercial gain. In previous years, most hacking was carried out by criminals

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  32. They must be fighting it... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Because my Verizon iPhone has NO data on their 3G network anywhere near down town.

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  33. Re:Bad nomenclature is bad by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

    You were discussing nomenclature and the legality of hacktivism, were you not? I pointed out that, to date, the word "hacktivism" has only been applied to illegal activities, regardless of the underlying etymology and semantics of the word "hacker". The traditional term used to clearly indicate the activity of illegal hacking is "cracking"; hence the more precise word "cracktivism," which, in turn, sounds funny.

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  34. Re:Bad nomenclature is bad by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

    Oy! No citations in a political debate! Facts and non-anecdotal evidence are against the rules!

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  35. Meanwhile... by Requiem18th · · Score: 2

    The Legion of Doom Says Superheroes Now Bigges Business Threat.

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  36. /. is being smart Re:Hactivists == cybercriminals by davidwr · · Score: 1

    As I posted this (#39443235), the cute witticism at the end of the /. page reads "Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200."

    Perhaps /. was trying to answer noh8rz3's question - "hactivist or criminal?" - for me.

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  37. For the lulz? by 0dugo0 · · Score: 1

    What happened to the motives we had in the nineties, like fun, bragging rights and `because we can'. What about the modern variant of `for the lulz!'.. ?

  38. No by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    They're just a criminal. If they're a cyborg committing a crime, that makes them a "cybercriminal."

  39. Re:No, its not the biggest threat by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

    No, the corporations that own the federal government are more of a threat.

    Well, if corporations and other wealthy interests seek to control the powers of government as they always have and always will seek to do, then why the hell are we sweetening the pot for them by making the target (government) an even juicier plum for those interests by making it larger and more powerful, with ever-growing control over the behavior of common citizens, and controlling ever-growing percentage of the nation's wealth, and with even deeper levels of bureaucratic obfuscation in which to hide bad deeds and their perpetrators?

    I mean, it's not like passing laws/Acts or forming oversight committees will ever change basic human behavior. People have always and will always seek to influence/corrupt government as long as government has enough power to be an attractive target, and is large enough that being caught-out and punished is more unlikely than likely.

    Why is it that those that appear to be most vocally upset by the corruption in their government persist in insisting on making it more certain that corruption will increase in both depth & breadth by making it increasingly easy to hide and providing an increasingly-attractive target by making government increasingly larger and more powerful?

    It's like being upset with being mugged, so you carry more cash and valuables, walk down more dark & deserted alleyways, post your route on FB/Twitter, and give the muggers bigger guns and better masks.

    Silly humans.

    Strat

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  40. Again by h4x0t · · Score: 1

    Big public leaks are the only way to show off the gaping security holes corporations leave. These holes are already being exploited by people other than "hacktivists", believe you me.

  41. the FBI hacked Stratfor. not anonymous by decora · · Score: 1

    the hack of stratfor was aided and abedded by the FBI. they provided the servers to store the data. they 'flipped' Sabu. they were monitoring him the whole time he was running the anonymous hacks of various companies. the FBI just stood by while they did it.

    the FBI is responsible here. it went too far.

  42. Really,and I thought.... by davydagger · · Score: 1
    http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/03/21/1855202/meet-the-hackers-who-get-rich-selling-spies-zero-day-exploits

    and I thought the biggest threat to personal saftey are these shadowy groups hording zero day exploits only available to the uber rich, corporates and govnerments. They openly flaunt their unwillingness to share code or data on their exploits to get the most dollar out of their insanely priced holes in other reputable companies software.

    Hackitists I'd say are more ethical in general, and even petty cyber crooks who use publicly available exploits far less a threat. In fact any hacker regardless of motive who shares information of any kind his exploits is FAR better than that.

  43. Ok, I agree on that by coder111 · · Score: 1

    I do agree that stealing credit card numbers is excessive. I don't condone in harming other people, especially people who aren't complicit in the wrongdoing. Corporations are different matter- no matter what the law says I don't consider them human. To be human you need to have morals and be mortal, and corporations don't have that.

    I would probably stick to defacing websites or stealing internal documents or emails of executives or similar if I were a hacktivist. Anyway, it was nice having this discussion.

    --Coder

  44. Re:/. is being smart Re:Hactivists == cybercrimina by noh8rz3 · · Score: 1

    Yes, I saw that your post got +5, so I did the same title as a response to an earlier comment, and also got +5!