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DoD Networks Completely Compromised, Experts Say
AZA43 writes "A group of U.S. federal cybersecurity experts recently said the Defense Department's network is totally compromised by foreign spies. The experts suggest the agency simply accept that its networks are compromised and will probably remain that way, then come up with a way to protect data on infected machines and networks."
to spread misinformation to those foreign spys that only think they compromised DoD computers (naw too good to be true) the US Gov is too stupid to do anything like that
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
That's great.
Seriously?
I mean....
This is hardly surprising. I worked for a formerly existing mortgage servicing company that outsourced its servicing, and as part of the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act during the Gulf War II, they wanted us to send military deployment orders offshore so they could be serviced for the benefits. Maybe they found it easier just to hack in and get it from the source and bypass the middle man.
“DoD is capability-limited in cyber, both defensively and offensively,”
Anyways, are we talking a bunch of old NT boxes plugged right into the internets, I mean the cyber.
the island networks that I assume exist somewhere within the DOD's physical buildings? I'm gonna make the assumption here that people have been infiltrated as well, not just networked machines.
Its nice to see the DoD finally catching up with basic best software practices.
Why does the network have to be accessible remotely? It should be isolated and need a meat sack to get the information from the system and relay it to the party that needs the information. Same thing with public utilities and such - why is it wired so that someone remote can tap a few buttons and remotely access controls for water plants?
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
Surely will convince public opinion that the new measures of surveillance on all internet connections have a good reason and they should give up on privacy forever.
Perhaps they should re-evaluate their staff qualifications during hiring.
The military would like a bunch of script kiddie canned attacks as their 'offensive' capability. They don't want to rely on anyone with a brain in real time. That doesn't work very well in practice.
They're never going to get what they want.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
I guess the DoD should finally retire Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, huh? LOL!
Well it's defense so ultimately what this boils down to is: "here's a file that says they're going to kick our ass". Can they do that? "Yes". Well, at least we infiltrated their network so we know our asses are going to get kicked and we can prepare for that. "No we can't, we'd have to move the entire country and kick somebody elses's ass to do it. What's more is our network is infiltrated too so they'd know we were going to do it and what's worse is we don't have much ass kicking capability". So. We're dead meat; but we know it in advance. That showed them!
... given the general below-mediocre quality of the contractors and government employees that work for the DoD, and the amount of senseless policies for policy's sake claiming to be for 'security' but, uh, no, not really. The people in charge are the worst.
I just started working for DoD again, and want to punch people in the face all day long.
If its compromised shut it down and wipe.
Reminds me of when I was sent to a DOD site to try to figure out why everyone was scoring 97% on a certain test.
30 seconds of looking around and I had a pretty good guess:
(1) The unused tests were printed out in print runs of 10,000 and kept in an alcove in a dusty unused office. Said alcove had a plywood door with 18 inch gaps at top and bottom. Padlocked, but with the hasp mounted backwards, with all the screws exposed.
(2) There was a 50 page per minute xerox copier in the same room, no access card needed.
That was a rude introduction to DOD security measures, and the cluelessness of the security folks.
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I hope this helps DuD, errr..... , DoD security.
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K. Trout
I hear a story like that before.
They are our trusted allies
is that they will do political things. As such, they have LOADS of windows. And yes, they are LOADED with spies (and the DOD knew it). However, I differ with the expert. NSA should step in and help DOD upgrade everything to a decent set-up. Secure Unix or Linux (with SEL). NO MORE WINDOWS. In addition, restore the security that we used to have back in the 80's. We have slacked so much that many of the contractors are spies. Hell, I have dealt with a probable Chinese spy that was married to a USAF officer.
The USS reagan should be refitted with secured systems, or we should simply send it in the middle east and allow Iran to blow it up (better iran than china).
What amazes me is that EU, Russia, and China are all brighter than so many of the idiots in the DOD and at American companies.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
> What amazes me...
Being stupid pays better in the short term.
dump the contractors and sub contractors move it in house so not only do you cut out a lot middle man you also get more control.
More control is nice so you don't have people who get moved site to site or have to go thought a reapply for the same job you have now paper work.
Also it lets you say have trading and other stuff with out the staffing agencies say we don't want to pay for that or we don't or cut to go down paying for time off / travel time / costs come out of own margin. This one guy on a contract said that the staffing firm did not like having to pay for the paid time (part of the over all deal) as it came out of there margin.
Stupid or Greedy? I am not sure which.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
DoD finally watched the TV show "NCIS" and realized that either special agent Timothy "Probie" McGee or forensics specialist Abigail "Abby" Sciuto can hack through any DoD firewall in a few seconds when ordered to do so by special agent in charge Leroy Jethro Gibbs.
The experts suggest the agency simply accept that its networks are compromised and will probably remain that way, then come up with a way to protect data on infected machines and networks.
This is actually one of the smartest things I've heard come out of the DoD relating to information security, in a long while.
One of the first rules of thumb when developing secure client-server applications is, never trust the client. One must assume that given a high enough incentive, any public facing interface can and will be exploited in one way or another, and there is no way to reliably anticipate all attack vectors.
It is smart to develop policies and procedures around this assumption.
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While I agree that I'd like to see the DoD move to more secure technical solutions, I don't think it'd solve the security problem. Like you pointed out the system is only as good as the people that are using it. And even with a very small percentage of people willing to spy it'd be almost trivial for a foreign government to buy their way into almost any system.
Prior to 2001 everything was more compartmentalized, which was good for Information Security's sake. But it proved to be bad for our national safety as the CIA wouldn't pass on information about a potential threat to the FBI for what amounts to dick measuring reasons. In the aftermath of 9/11 the policies swung the other way and we end up with Bradley Manning having access to way more information than he needed for his job.
A proper solution is a multi faceted problem. We need technical systems that are secure and yet still useable by a barely trained 18 to 50 year old volunteer. We need systems designed to be as secure as possible but still interface with each other and work in a timely manner. We need people that are as immune to corruption and insanity as possible. And the hardest part is probably sticking to fights and engagements that don't force those people to question the morality of the job they are tasked with doing.
In Windows... such as HAVING to answer to UAC and even more than say, Linux? Having to literally LOG IN to do things, just like normal users do!
How? Ok (& my systems are setup thus in fact, bit of a pain, but stops bogus installers from malware 'automagically & invisibly' using your current logon privelege level to bypass UAC & other high-security restrictions):
These are most of, if not ALL, of the registry areas to set this up in to make that happen with the settings to examine & change are as follows in gpedit.msc &/or regedit.exe:
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Admin Approval Mode for the Built-in Administrator account
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v FilterAdministratorToken
(Set as ENABLED)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v ConsentPromptBehaviorAdmin
(Set as PROMPT FOR CREDENTIALS)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for standard users
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v ConsentPromptBehaviorUser
(Set as Automatically deny elevation requests)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Detect application installations and prompt for elevation
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v EnableInstallerDetection
(Set as ENABLED)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Only elevate UIAccess applications that are installed in secure locations
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v EnableSecureUIAPaths
(Set as ENABLED)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v EnableLUA
(Set as ENABLED)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Switch to the secure desktop when prompting for elevation
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v PromptOnSecureDesktop
(Set as ENABLED)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Virtualize file and registry write failures to per-user locations
OR
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v EnableVirtualization
(Set as ENABLED)
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Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\User Account Control: Allow UIAccess applications to prompt for elevation without using the secure desktop
OR
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System /v EnableUIADesktopToggle
(Set DISABLED)
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* There you go... you can do all of what you state, & more, easily enough, but instead by using NATIVE TOOLS already present in Windows itself in, gpedit.msc or regedit.exe!
APK
P.S.=> To even FURTHER enhance that, albeit @ the application level? You can use taskmgr.exe, & set UAC Virtualization ENABLED on ANY RUNNING APP too: Further sealing it off from infecting/infesting other running apps or the entire OS b
Im in ur base killin ur d00dz
What you're missing is that when the idiots in charge finally leave (and it will take longer than you will believe possible), they will either be replaced externally, or by internal people who play the game rather than caring about actual results. They will still probably be idiots (from the perspective of caring about doing good quality work). You won't have a look in - excellence in doing your job is not rewarded.
I lasted 8 years in various government jobs before finally smelling the coffee and leaving for a much, much better job in a smaller private sector organisation with higher pay, motivated and intelligent colleagues and opportunities for advancement. And genuinely, no idiots.
Don't wait, unless you really enjoy playing politics or working around mediocrity. Or you believe in some kind of public-service ethic, of course.
Oh sweet jesus, that's hilarious - APK's gonna tell us how to fix the DoD's computers?
We use CA epoxy as a very effective security measure. For any commodity hardware we buy, we fill all of the USB ports with a CA epoxy that prevents access. We also use it to permanently attach mouse and keyboard. Motherboard USB headers are also filled with CA to prevent the casual attachment of devices (although users cannot physically get to their machines, since they are in locked cabinets, with IDS tied to building security. Same goes for unused SATA, PCIe, and other ports. Any plug that isn't used is made unusable.
PCs are on a network, but users have no physical access to cables, and similarly we use a secure cable type with a current loop and TDR to detect physical tampering. If the current loop is cut, building security knows precisely where the cut is within seconds.
There is no wireless, and no bluetooth. Employees are not allowed to bring in cell phones, MP3 players, or anything else with any capability of capturing data, and yes, we 100% search at the door with metal detectors and millimeter wave detection like you see at the airport (except we actually know how to use it). We're also in a steel building with no windows and and EMI shielding, just in case.
We're not on the Internet. We have absolutely no need to connect to it. Even if we did have a spy as an employee, they would have to reproduce anything they did on another machine outside the office in order to transmit it anywhere else. And obviously, there is no means to allow employees to "work from home" in their pajamas in sandals.
Any new software has to go through a thorough vetting process, and any vendor wanting to sell us software is required to allow us to load the source code and build environment onto our build farm, review and inspect the code for possible attacks, and then compile it ourselves. This is a lot easier to achieve than you might think.
Finally, we're old school. Everything is compartmentalized. The guy working on the math routines has no idea why he's working on them, or what they will be used for. All he knows is that he's a software engineer in charge of high-level math function development. He doesn't know what the product is or what it does.
millions-of-dollars research projects, are underway right now. in fact, a guy from the l0pht, named Midge.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Insider_Threat
im sure theres no coincidence between 'experts' pushing this and the industry about to 'provide the solution'.
nevermind that they are basically, built around theories like "maybe a guy changes the time he eats lunch".
and that 'insider threats' also = whistleblowers.
Specifically tailored to what erroneus said's all... want to do it right? Ok:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&qs=ns&form=QBLH
* It's been EXTREMELY highly rated by others online since 2008, & I've been doing the same, since 1997 onwards... &, yes, it works... & has been seen by millions, with testimonials galore, it actually works, when "FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER", exactly, point by point.
However, believe-it-or not?
Suggesting it & PROVING it was needed??
Event got me fired from a job once!
Why?? Simply, because I caught the fact my then "Head of Operations", a paper MCSE, nothing more, setup TREND MICRO antivirus wrong, & our network was RIDDLED w/ keyloggers & more... that fool!
However - Politics did me in though, because when I pointed out it's only minutes of work to migrate its settings via .reg merges & gpedit/secpol usage @ an AD network-wide level???
He tried to say "it's too much work", but I even later proved he didn't even KNOW how to do it!.
My role then was as a programmer/analyst coding for security...
By securing applications @ a DB + app level using .NET & SQLServer (migrating badly done work that was NOT using stored procs OR bind variables, & yes - you have to do THAT too, but it's useless to 'batten down the hatches' @ that level, if your entire network & OS setup is wide the "F" open!) + far more...
He got fired though!
How??
LMAO, because, some "little bird" let it out to AVG he then turned to the freebie model of that antivirus vs. his erroneously setup TREND setup, & that? IS a "NO-NO"...
"Someone", lol, took that jackass for the same ride he sent me on, but on more valid grounds... + his superior (a nearly completely computer illiterate stooge who was oddly titled "CIO") got 'taken out' too!).
What goes around, COMES around... lol. This? This is the price negligent DOLTS pay, in addition to opening the door for negligence lawsuits from clients who were compromised.
APK
P.S.=> The problem, from these mgt. DOLTS who have never really done years of ALL-AROUND work in computing (from techie, to network admin, to security AND coding) are a problem... they complained about costs or tried to?
I proved it was minutes of work, & users logons would handle the rest, domainwide, & I had a system setup thus that was NOT infested as my proof, where everyone else was diseased to hell by NOT doing it... @ both OS security & database + application levels, & for a WORLDWIDE very famous client company that had very famous folks, law enforcement, & more's data (health data no less)... apk
"A group of guys whose budgets revolve around coming up with new cybersecurity defenses testified today that they should be given a LOT more money to play with."
For your security, this post has been encrypted with ROT-13, twice.
It doesn't actually pay better in the short term, it just seems to ...if you are a completely ignorant idiot, you aren't aware that you're phukd, until you've bled out, and even then, often live in denial.
"It is difficult to know how many of these warnings are hyperbole, since some, but not all of them, were accompanied by pleas for more funding."
But when did the Soviets begin this type of research?
Well, sir, It looks like they found out about our attempt to telepathically communicate with
one of our nuclear subs. The Nautilus, while it was under the Polar cap.
What attempt?
There was no attempt. It seems the story was a French hoax. But the Russians think the story about the story being a French hoax is just a story, sir.
So, they've started psi research because they thought we were doing psi research,
When in fact we weren't doing psi research?
Yes, sir. But now that they're doing psi research, we're gonna have to do psi research, sir.
We can't afford to have the Russians leading the field in the paranormal.
English much?
Stupid or Greedy? I am not sure which.
Being independent, why not both?
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Nonsense.
Instead of using the hosts file, use Gamemaker. Return to Gamemakerdom! Return to righteousness!
Plus a brand new 7 digit registered luser acc't from u too? Go away troll. You & "your kind" online (pond scum), make me laugh...
APK
P.S.=> Illogical off-topic ad hominem attack attempts directed my way & failing like usual on your part's NOT 'cutting it' here... apk
LMAO - how predictable from the newly created 7 digit registered 'luser' account utilizing /. troll that's appeared suddenly! Oh boy: Here comes name tossing now too from you (predictable as off-topic trolls always are, no creativity or imagination exists in their "dull brains").
Plus, this says it ALL about "your kind", regarding puny attempts @ off-topic trolling me on hosts files usage & from a respected others in the field of computer sciences & the security community itself:
"I don't actually get time for many sites such as slashdot anymore, but certainly see my fair share of trolls on the MyWot (Web of Trust (I'm a moderator there, and MyWot includes hpHosts in their "ratings")) and Malwarebytes forums, and you're correct - it's always either users of malicious software/sites, or the owners of such, that are doing it." Mr. Steven Burn of malwarebytes/hpHosts
* I've discussed with he this week in fact as I submitted a 64-bit GUI program for hosts file processing to he in & fact (which he said was 'excellent work') no less & they are hosting it for me, gratis, too (see what work does, instead of off-topic failing ad hominem attack attempts directed MY way from you?)...
I even proved BOTH COMODO antivirus + ArcaBit/ArcaVir WRONG on false positives they had because their detection engine algorithms were a bit 'weak' in handling a custom executable compression engine I utilize also in the same stroke, for roughly 1 month's work on/off in my spare time creating it.
APK
P.S.=> However, back-on-track, busting you up some more weasel, lol: Your Off-topic illogical attempts @ ad hominem attacks directed my way & failing as usual? Please... this also says it ALL for you, lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVmBAd76kak
"U.R. FAILING"... lol, bigtime: To think you had the stupidity to try 'matching wits' with me! apk
Suggestion:
Let it be known that, every time an attack is traced to a certain country, another American missile will automatically be targeted at a major city in that country.
It's a lot easier to build missiles than it is to secure a vast network.
BTW, Pentagon, every hear of disinformation via honey pots?
Store information that would cause an adversary to react in a unique, predictable, detectable way, then see which government does so.
Voila! The attacking government identifies itself.
Sometimes problems are easier to solve than one imagines.
Hmm... whats the DoD's IP block? Would be worth a TOR routed nMap scan maybe...
Have you noticed that you never get above 0 with your posts?
Most people posting stuff online would fairly promptly realise nobody gives a fuck about their opinion - but not you. Any idea why that might be?
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
"Have you noticed that you never get above 0 with your posts?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Thursday March 29, @07:16PM (#39516851) Homepage
See the 160++:1 ratio of posts where I've been modded up then vs. your b.s. quoted above!
I've even dusted you on this very point before, dolt, see my p.s. below for proof of that no less, on where you tried this same tactic on "mod downs"!
(Poor, because you're repeating the EXACT same mistake expecting different results but NOT getting them vs. what's next below (Some folks call what you're doing, insanity, in fact, constantly failing on the very point you're trying now)):
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Roughly 160++ of them & I post as AC (hard to get even +1, as /. hides our posts & we "AC"'s start @ ZERO/0 points, unlike registered "lusers", lol!):
+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (5):
HOSTS & BGP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450
FIREFOX IN DANGER: 2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38268580
TESLA:2010 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1872982&cid=34264190
TESLA:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1806946&cid=33777976
NVIDIA 2d:2006 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175774&cid=14610147
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+4 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (4):
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167071&cid=13931198
INFO. SYSTEMS WORK:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=13531817
WINDOWS @ NASDAQ 7++ YRS. NOW:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1290967&cid=28571315
CARMACK'S ARMADILLO AEROSPACE:2005 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158310&cid=13263898
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+3 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (6):
APK MICROSOFT INTERVIEW:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155172&cid=13007974
APK MS SYMBOLIC DIRECTORY LINKS:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166850&cid=13914137
APK FOOLS IE7 INSTALL IN BETA HOW TO:2006 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175857&cid=14615222
PROOFS ON OPERA SPEED & SECURITY:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=273931&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20291847
HBGary POST in Fake Names On Social Networks, a Fake Problem:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2375110&cid=37056304
APK RC STOP ROOKIT TECHNIQUES:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1021873&cid=25681261
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+2 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (12):
HOW DLL API CALL LOADS WORK:2008 ->
"Have you noticed that you never get above 0 with your posts?" - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Thursday March 29, @07:16PM (#39516851) Homepage
U tried this before w/ the SAME "FAIL" results http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38413180
* The "infamous they" often say that repeating the same mistakes over & over again expecting different results is the very definition of INSANITY, Sardaukar86... & you definitely repeated that mistake again today!
E.G.-> Where I blew you away the EXACT SAME WAY here now:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2741535&cid=39525081
With rougly a 150++:1 ratio vs. that b.s. of yours I requote from you above now... lol!
As per my usual, you have been DUSTED!
Easily too - With literal accompanying proofs to the contrary vs. your b.s. quoted above, lol, except there are 14++ more this time than last time where I have been upward modded!
(Which to get them is even harder for us AC's since we start @ 0, and /. hides our posts from many viewers by default... but as you can see? It happens, and it also happens to BLOW YOU AWAY, with ease too, & with actual proofs vs. your DAYS LATER appearing & trolling to no avail!).
APK
P.S.=> When are you going to realize that even coming into my posts a week later as you have this time, is doomed to fail vs. myself since I use proofs that literally can be shown to be correct and which blow you away, everytime? Especially on THIS account??
Please... grow an intellect!
Simply because you're only showing us that your "intellect" such as you have shown us, is FAR inferior to my own... apk
Let Mr. Bruce Perens tell you about my subject-line above everyone:
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
(So given that - Do you think that "fake accounts" and "spam" or "technically unjustified mod downs" & the like in trolling posts of others that may "threaten the 'powers-that-be'" etc./et al doesn't happen on /. as it does every place else? Guess again, per the above...)
APK
P.S.=> It's not just "malware makers" or "spam mailers" folks - Mr. Bruce Perens is also showing you that it's also done in the name of big companies as well, via "paid for trolls" in the big name companies' hire - now, as anyone can plainly see per my other replies here where I have LITERALLY dusted Sardaukar86 on the same mistake he's made here now today (7 days AFTER I 1st posted here no less... did you actually *think* I wouldn't see it? LMAO, guess again):
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2741535&cid=39525081
AND, in the past on the same erroneously failing note:
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38413180
Does anyone TRUST the "moderation" system here completely, especially regarding unjustified mod-downs? Hell no... trolls like yourself are only "biting off" what HBGary got caught doing (just like the Chinese "water army" has been as well):
HBGary POST in Fake Names On Social Networks, a Fake Problem:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2375110&cid=37056304
Using multiple registered 'luser' accounts to pull off unjustified moddowns of others' posts is a WELL-KNOWN trolls' trick, fool... get over it - plus, my showing TONS of upward mods to my credit/name in my favor utterly DUSTS you as per usual, yet again, easily!
... apk
You appear to be in grave error http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2741535&cid=39525081